Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Dick Nixon, Thanks for the input. I didn't think of the Vital notes titles printing at the end of the report when there aren't any notes entered. Yes, I will have to play with a person in the sample file to see what happens with all the reports. Like I said, I'm still thinking about this and trying to anticipate the problems so I appreciate the "heads-up" on this issue. Linda G On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Dick Nixon wrote: > You can, as you > suggest, create new B,B,D, and Burial events. They will print > chronologically and have the notes in the "right" place. But on some > reports, haven't looked at all of them, Legacy will put in its own > version of the Vital events as well. Then you get duplicate events in > different places. And on the FGS Legacy will still shove their version > of the Vital notes down to the end of the report. Try a Chronology > report with your new events and you will see the issues. > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Research / General Notes
Good Afternoon, The discussion on what happens to the three 'Note' sections has encouraged me to dig deeper into finding exactly what I have put in the Notes and where the info should really be. Some of the Notes fall into the 'Research' Category and I have a handle on what to do with those. What bothers me right now and something I would like input on is the info I have that tells me where I got information via email lists, and direct communication with various cousins, etc. Back in 1999 when Mail Lists were in vogue, a lot of us shared information via them and also personal communication. Sharing sets of files as well as gedcoms. But, those bits and pieces wound up in General Notes because I had no place else to put them. The info is, obviously, scattered among my people. So, how do I preserve the original source of email addy and date along with a brief explanation of what was sent? If I create a general event such as 'Electronic Source' or 'Email Communication' or something similar, will anyone know what it is 50 years from now? What about the date when I actually got the information? For instance: Abraham Adsit, DOB: 3 Mar 1850, Conneaut, Crawford, PA DOD: 9 Nov 1936, Pennsylvania An event for the origin of the data on him and his ancestors was shared: Abram Adsit, and ancestors courtesy of Patricia M. Edgett - pedgett...@aol.com 13 Sep 1999 Pennsylvania Conneaut, Crawford, PA Thoughts? Martha In Los Osos, CA -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Report Formats
Hi Dick, Where do the 'automatic' duplicate events show up? Which reports? Martha -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Report Formats
Hi. So you make your own custom bbdb events with notes? How do you handle the duplicate events that Legacy automatically puts in in certain reports? Just ignore them? On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Greg and Laurel wrote: > I so agree with you Dick. I hate the way the notes are placed in reports so > much so that a few years ago I stopped using them. There is no continuity, no > flow, with them being stuck at the end of the report. I strictly use > Events/Event Notes now so that my reports are in a true chronological order > without information being scattered about. Laurel > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Hi Linda.Somehow the subject of sourcing has gotten mixed in with the discussion of how Legacy formats reports with notes. You can, as you suggest, create new B,B,D, and Burial events. They will print chronologically and have the notes in the "right" place. But on some reports, haven't looked at all of them, Legacy will put in its own version of the Vital events as well. Then you get duplicate events in different places. And on the FGS Legacy will still shove their version of the Vital notes down to the end of the report. Try a Chronology report with your new events and you will see the issues. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Thanks Laurel. I'll have to think about that a bit. -Evelyn On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Greg and Laurel wrote: > I transcribe (abstract) my sources under the source citation, plus I > always attach a copy of the source to the citation. Then in my event I will > refer back to the source "her death certificate states" or "her obituary > showed" so if there are 3 citations attached to that event I can look at > those 3 citations and know which source belongs to which piece of > information/citation. It is the best I can do with how Legacy allows us to > attach sources. Remember that most Events will only have one source so in > those situations I would simply enter the information as a fact without > referring to the actual source. I only do so when there is alternate or > conflicting information. Laurel > > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Evelyn .. wrote: > > Hi Greg and Laurel, > > How do you know which source goes with which piece of information? > > - Evelyn > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel > wrote: > >> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I >> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I >> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that >> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of >> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use >> the pre-defined sentences): >> . >> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she >> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British >> Columbia, Canada. >> >> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated >> her date of death as December 26 (etc...) >> >> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a >> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to >> a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using >> another genealogy program, but the principles are the same. >> -- >> >> > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- Evelyn Wilhelmson ej1...@gmail.com 509-998-6743 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
I transcribe (abstract) my sources under the source citation, plus I always attach a copy of the source to the citation. Then in my event I will refer back to the source "her death certificate states" or "her obituary showed" so if there are 3 citations attached to that event I can look at those 3 citations and know which source belongs to which piece of information/citation. It is the best I can do with how Legacy allows us to attach sources. Remember that most Events will only have one source so in those situations I would simply enter the information as a fact without referring to the actual source. I only do so when there is alternate or conflicting information. Laurel > On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Evelyn .. wrote: > > Hi Greg and Laurel, > > How do you know which source goes with which piece of information? > > - Evelyn > >> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel >> wrote: >> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I >> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I >> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that >> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of >> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use >> the pre-defined sentences): >> . >> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she >> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British >> Columbia, Canada. >> >> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated her >> date of death as December 26 (etc...) >> >> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a >> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to a >> blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using another >> genealogy program, but the principles are the same. >> -- >> -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Hi Greg and Laurel, How do you know which source goes with which piece of information? - Evelyn On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel wrote: > Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I > will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I > input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that > one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of > the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use > the pre-defined sentences): > . > Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she > died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British > Columbia, Canada. > > There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated > her date of death as December 26 (etc...) > > I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a > google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to > a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using > another genealogy program, but the principles are the same. > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- Evelyn Wilhelmson ej1...@gmail.com 509-998-6743 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events & Sources
I lean the other way on source info. I think that most viewers of reports or web pages that I produce appreciate more of a lean and mean presentation. Sum up the facts and stories in a nice, (quickly) readable way. Don’t bore the reader with sources, except in special cases where knowledge of the source, itself, is of interest. Yes, this means that I often have multiple source citations for the same event or note. When there is any ambiguity, I add a comment to the unprinted comment section of the source detail, saying which fact is backed up by this citation. A future researcher will figure it out, while present day readers of reports/webpages will not run out of patience while slogging through a lot of detail. I imported a file of data by a well-respected researcher, but he had placed many source details in the general notes, rather than using proper source citations. (E.g., multiple census transcripts, death records, comments by other researchers, etc.) While I, as a researcher, am glad to have this source information, it results in horribly long, verbose reports. Boring to the average reader. In your sample event, I would rather read something like: “Sarah was living with her family at 22 Cottage St.,... in 1920. At age 18, she was not in school but could read and write.” The rest goes elsewhere. The birth year should be in the regular birth or alt birth field, as ‘About 1902’. The mother’s occupation should be with the mother’s notes/events. Keep the overall reports concise. (Actually, I do not see the need for any such event for Sarah. I would rather have a single marriage event, or head of household event, for the whole family for the 1920 census.) Although I rarely use the notes fields associated with the built-in vital events, I do still agree that reports often have an awkward sequence of items. Ward From: Evelyn .. Sent: Saturday, 9 July, 2016 10:51 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Events & Sources Hi Martha, I actually do that also. I use the SourceWriter for creating the source, but I don't enter the transcript/abstract in the source details. Once the source is entered, I can copy & paste the source to the bottom of the transcript/abstract. I put the transcript in the event notes space so I can customize it for each person with comments below the source. If the data applies to more than one person I can cut & paste the information and change just the comments. The automatic SourceWriter sources are good for the narrative book reports. The superscript numbers are less obtrusive and don't interrupt the flow of the narrative reports. These are reports that I run for family members who are interested in the person's story, but are not interested in the details. I include sources at the end of each person's narrative report because I just cannot leave sources out. For the Individual/Family Group Record reports, I do not want to have to flip from the event page to the end of the report to find out which source belongs to which event. Having the source listed with each event transcript/abstract makes it immediately clear where it came from. I wrestled with the 2 very different audiences that my reports go to and ended up with 2 methods of sourcing. Sample of event notes: Birth: 1902 Place: MA, USA 22 Cottage Street; dwelling no 256; family no 278; ... [deleted for brevity] ... Sarah R. Rix; daughter; female; white; 18 yrs old; single; not in school; can read & write; born MA; father born Canada speaks English; mother born MA; bookkeeper in shoe factory; wage earner; ... [deleted for brevity] - source - 1920 U.S. census, Norfolk, Massachusetts, population schedule, Weymouth, enumeration district (ED) 278, sheet 12A, p. 187, dwelling 256, family 278, Sarah R. Rix; digital images, Heritage Quest Online; citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T625, roll 724. Repository: Heritage Quest Online, 789 E Eisenhower Parkway, PO Box 1346, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1346, USA. - notes- birthdate calculated from 1920 census minus 18 years old = 1902 It's always interesting to see how others do thing. Thanks, - Evelyn On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Martha Graham wrote: Evelyn & Shirley, Thank you for the ideas on Events, etc Long ago [almost 20 years] when I began using Genealogical software, I included the source of an abstracted or transcribed document at the bottom of the abstract or transcript. When Legacy came along with it's 'Source Writer', I tried it and found that the process was so blasted tedious, I went back to my original idea of having the source as part of the transcript. I know that this will cause shudders of horror, but believe me, it saves oodles of time with data input and accomplishes the goal of having the source bound to the event in a way that works with no hitches. It prints out just fine, is where it belongs in the grand scheme of things
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use the pre-defined sentences): . Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British Columbia, Canada. There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated her date of death as December 26 (etc...) I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using another genealogy program, but the principles are the same. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
The idea of having the notes for the vital events within the chronology (instead at the end of the report) has gotten me thinking about applying it to my own family. Before I do anything however, I need some other eyes and thoughts- - - what would be the problems of doing it this way down the line? For example, regarding doing searches. Here's my thought process: I'm toying with the idea of the event called "Death Data" and then in the notes for that event I could include all the research history like time of death, the informant, and those other more obscure information; the sources (either sourcing them within the body of the notes, or using the footnote sourceing); I could include the alternate dates, places and why one is wrong or why it might be a better, etc. I would be able to explain and source exactly what info I got from the state Death Certificate, or a church record or a Family Bible. Then I could do the same for "Birth Data", "Baptism Data" and "Marriage Data". The resulting individual report would have all that info in a timely order. I would keep the top part of the report for just the vital dates and places to be used as a quick reference. This wouldn't be that hard to change as I could just cut and paste the vital note section into the new event item as that is where I already put all the above discussion Now, everyone's input??? Linda > > > In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all > > right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. But, if I have two types of > > information for a death, for example, do I lump them together or create > > two events? Sample: Death Record from Vital Records Death Certificate - > > Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, informants, etc.] > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events & Sources
Hi Martha, I actually do that also. I use the SourceWriter for creating the source, but I don't enter the transcript/abstract in the source details. Once the source is entered, I can copy & paste the source to the bottom of the transcript/abstract. I put the transcript in the event notes space so I can customize it for each person with comments below the source. If the data applies to more than one person I can cut & paste the information and change just the comments. The automatic SourceWriter sources are good for the narrative book reports. The superscript numbers are less obtrusive and don't interrupt the flow of the narrative reports. These are reports that I run for family members who are interested in the person's story, but are not interested in the details. I include sources at the end of each person's narrative report because I just cannot leave sources out. For the Individual/Family Group Record reports, I do not want to have to flip from the event page to the end of the report to find out which source belongs to which event. Having the source listed with each event transcript/abstract makes it immediately clear where it came from. I wrestled with the 2 very different audiences that my reports go to and ended up with 2 methods of sourcing. Sample of event notes: Birth: 1902 Place: MA, USA 22 Cottage Street; dwelling no 256; family no 278; ... [deleted for brevity] ... Sarah R. Rix; daughter; female; white; 18 yrs old; single; not in school; can read & write; born MA; father born Canada speaks English; mother born MA; bookkeeper in shoe factory; wage earner; ... [deleted for brevity] - source - 1920 U.S. census, Norfolk, Massachusetts, population schedule, Weymouth, enumeration district (ED) 278, sheet 12A, p. 187, dwelling 256, family 278, Sarah R. Rix; digital images, Heritage Quest Online; citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T625, roll 724. Repository: Heritage Quest Online, 789 E Eisenhower Parkway, PO Box 1346, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1346, USA. - notes- birthdate calculated from 1920 census minus 18 years old = 1902 It's always interesting to see how others do thing. Thanks, - Evelyn On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Martha Graham wrote: > Evelyn & Shirley, > Thank you for the ideas on Events, etc > Long ago [almost 20 years] when I began using Genealogical software, > I included the source of an abstracted or transcribed document at the > bottom of the abstract or transcript. > When Legacy came along with it's 'Source Writer', I tried it and found > that the process was so blasted tedious, I went back to my original idea of > having the source as part of the transcript. > > I know that this will cause shudders of horror, but believe me, it saves > oodles of time with data input and accomplishes the goal of having the > source bound to the event in a way that works with no hitches. It prints > out just fine, is where it belongs in the grand scheme of things and does > not get forgotten. In fact, I copy and paste the source to the bottom of > the page before ever abstracting or transcribing. If I am entering the > event directly in to Legacy as a copy and paste, it still goes in the notes > section first, then the info slots are filled, then the abstracted data is > entered in the notes section. Save and if it is a shared event, then do the > share. > > In the scenario I described earlier, putting info and sources from both a > DC and a Vital Record in the same event would not work because of the > different dates. But having two events connected to a death could be > accomplished by creating another Event Definition: Cause of Death. Because > the two events are close together in time - not more than a few days at > most, they would still fall into chronological order. > > Thanks for your help. > > Martha > > > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- Evelyn Wilhelmson ej1...@gmail.com 509-998-6743 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Biographies
Good Morning Steve, I use events for bios - and either the date of publication or if that is not available, the last date mentioned in the bio. Martha In Los Osos, CA -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
