RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Despite the dismissive and insulting replies I had on this subject I have persisted with trying to find a solution and for those actually interested I can point out the following (if you don't have anything constructive to say please don't reply) Whilst I was previously doing the census list search with an individual county (ie. Scotland or England) I noticed that there is also an option to do a search with "United Kingdom" as the country. Through trial and error I discovered that whilst this appeared to be the answer to my problem the real answer was the help is not quite right. It states that "Legacy looks in several places to see if the current census has already been referenced for a particular person. These include event names and descriptions, individual and event source citations, and individual notes". The key is the fine detail of that last sentence. I have found the following: if you use the Census event with any date in the searched year then the person does not appear in the list. if you use any event but put "1851 census" (for example) in the description then the person does not appear on the list. if you use any source writer census master source for the searched year then the person does not appear in the list. if you use a basic source and the words "1851 census" (for example) are in the Source List Name then the person does not appear in the list HOWEVER, I was not able to put any words in the individual notes that resulted in the person not being displayed so the help is NOT correct when it says that. If it is correct then perhaps a Legacy staff member could advise what needs to be written to have this effect. So in summary, Legacy is smart enough to not advise you to look in a different countries census if you have found them elsewhere but you have to know what it is looking for in order to get the desired result. My issue was I was using a residence event with just the census date which didn't work. Now I have added the words "1851 census for Ireland not available" in the event description (with a sentence override) and it works as I expected. I hope some people find this useful. Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
On 8/7/2012 2:50 AM, Gavin Nicholson wrote: > I think this discussion should be of benefit to others trying to > understand how this tool works though! For me, I pass up all the posts on this subject. If you think you have a real problem,I would suggest: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Problems.asp -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
OK I appreciate your thoughts but I don’t think I am making myself clear. In points 2 and 3 you seem to indicate that I am asking Legacy to do some sort of analysis of what might POSSIBLY be the case. I am not. I am saying that if I have entered a census or residence event on a census night that Legacy should therefore assume I have found the census entry for that person and not suggest other countries as a possibility. This is no more challenging that realising a person has died and therefore not suggesting to look for the person after they have died. The census list tool is already smart. The longer the gap between a previous event with a location and the census date the lower the probability. If a person has a census or residence info entered for the country being searched then they do not appear. If I do a search for a country which the person has no association with they do not appear. So its not a dumb process the programmers have put some effort into ensuring relevant results are returned. However, what I have found is they have not put the appropriate emphasis on the information which is available. In my case Joe BLOW is listed as having an 80% chance they are in Edinburgh because one of their children is there despite Joe and the rest of his family having a residence event in Ireland on the night of the census. That is not smart. In fact the more I think of it the more I believe it is a error because the algorithm should bias mainly to events of the person is question but in my example the bias is towards where their children are. This might be ok if the program had no other information to go on but in my case it does. I just looked at another person who lived in Berwickshire all their life but the suggestion is to look in Edinburgh because that is where one of their children is? As I said right back in post #1 the tool is great but I think it could be better. I will throw in a suggestion to that effect. I think this discussion should be of benefit to others trying to understand how this tool works though! From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 5:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Gavin, This is going to be my last word on this subject, as I feel we are going around in circles. I will agree with you on at least one point. 1) Would it help if Legacy published the algorithm they use to calculate the probability – yes 2) Would I expect Legacy to realise that if a person is found in an Ireland and a Scotland census on the same date it shows that a person is living in one country and not the other – not necessarily. If Legacy only searches for an Event/Fact called “census” then it would not find one called “census – Scotland”. This could be improved by using the SQL “LIKE” term, but I do not know the Legacy search method. 3) Would I expect Legacy to identify that a person is likely to be in a different country on census night – definitely not. It must be remembered that Legacy is an international program, and whilst it goes some way to help those of us who live in the UK it cannot be expected to evaluate all the quirks which arise because it comprises 3/4 different countries. As I previously indicated, I would not expect Legacy to search a database of every country to ensure that, for all individuals, it is probably that they are living in a specific country at the time of a census. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Gavin, This is going to be my last word on this subject, as I feel we are going around in circles. I will agree with you on at least one point. 1) Would it help if Legacy published the algorithm they use to calculate the probability – yes 2) Would I expect Legacy to realise that if a person is found in an Ireland and a Scotland census on the same date it shows that a person is living in one country and not the other – not necessarily. If Legacy only searches for an Event/Fact called “census” then it would not find one called “census – Scotland”. This could be improved by using the SQL “LIKE” term, but I do not know the Legacy search method. 3) Would I expect Legacy to identify that a person is likely to be in a different country on census night – definitely not. It must be remembered that Legacy is an international program, and whilst it goes some way to help those of us who live in the UK it cannot be expected to evaluate all the quirks which arise because it comprises 3/4 different countries. As I previously indicated, I would not expect Legacy to search a database of every country to ensure that, for all individuals, it is probably that they are living in a specific country at the time of a census. I’m sorry, Gavin, but what I am saying is that I think you are expecting too much for any program to meet your specification. As I have said, you can refine the search yourself using other search criteria and tagging. Sometimes a program cannot replace the human touch! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:24 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Yes that may be the case but the question I am asking is once I have put into the database that they WERE living in Ireland on census night I don’t think they should appear in the 1851 census list because I have made the determination that they weren’t there. I have another situation where I put an immigration event in and then a residence in Australia and then the probability drops right off and I can effectively exclude them. That is not happening when I put a residence on census night in another place. I think that is an error. From: David Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Based on your example, the listed people may have been in Scotland on the date of the census. Just gecause the children were born in Ireland, Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Yes that may be the case but the question I am asking is once I have put into the database that they WERE living in Ireland on census night I don’t think they should appear in the 1851 census list because I have made the determination that they weren’t there. I have another situation where I put an immigration event in and then a residence in Australia and then the probability drops right off and I can effectively exclude them. That is not happening when I put a residence on census night in another place. I think that is an error. From: David Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Based on your example, the listed people may have been in Scotland on the date of the census. Just gecause the children were born in Ireland, Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Based on your exsample, the listed people may have been in Scotland on the date of the census. Just gecause the children were born in Ireland, does not mean that they were there on the day of the census. Sent from my Kindle Fire In God We Trust Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
> If you include the Country in your Census/Residence Events then the manner in > which this is done may have an effect > on how Legacy reads it - I haven't checked this. Yes I do have the country in the location Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Yes but what I am suggesting is that it should eliminate all invalid ones when there is a positive match to a residence or census event on the date of the census in a different country. It works that way if I have one of those entries for the country in question. That is, once I find someone in the census in Scotland and enter that as a residence they no longer appear when I generate the census list for that same year. So I think it is inconsistent (ie. a bug?) that if I enter someone's residence on 30 Mar 1851 in Scotland they don't appear on the list but if I enter their residence on 30 Mar 1851 in Ireland that they do appear. I have just looked at it more closely and the tool is using their child's location in 1851 (they left one behind with the grandparents) rather than their actual location so I think the bias is probably wrong. Thoughts? Gavin... P.S. As an aside it would probably be helpful to know the algorithm they use to come up with the probability so you can make some educated guess as to what percentage to make the cutoff. -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 10:03 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Please let me correct my bad description in my previous post. The Legacy tool will identify people who have been included in a specific country's census, and you can select the probability of a location still being valid. This probability is, of course, your choice. Like everything, a probability is only an estimate which will show some negatives as positives and vice versa. So, no I would not necessarily expect Legacy to identify all valid results and eliminate all invalid ones. Probability doesn't work that way. It is not too difficult to look for all possibilities for a specific census and then use it in conjunction with the Detailed Search to eliminate those which you do not wish to see included, via tagging. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
The constituent *countries* of the UK have their own censuses (Wales is a bit arguable), so depending on how one enters a census it is possible that an Irish census may not be recognised by a Scottish census, nor either by an English/Welsh census for that matter (and vice versa). If you include the Country in your Census/Residence Events then the manner in which this is done may have an effect on how Legacy reads it - I haven't checked this. None of this alters the fact that we are dealing with probabilities. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants But that's how it works. The tool doesn't list every person in the database it only lists those people it "thinks" should be in the area searched but don't have a likely census entry (From Help: These include event names and descriptions, individual and event source citations, and individual notes). I have checked the box "Exclude individuals...already found in this census". As for your marriage example that is up to the programmers to answer definatively, they are already looking in a variety of places to try and work that out. For my answer I would say no however census events, residence events yes! So what I am suggesting is that the way it is working isn't ideal because if someone lives in the borders of England and Scotland and keeps swapping back and forward (for example) if I find them and enter them in Scotland then I don't want them appearing in the possible England list for the same year. My specific example is I know a family was in Ireland in 1851 because their children were all born there. I have put a residence event in for the census night of 1851 to try and stop the tool from suggesting Scotland but it still does. My question is should this be reported as a bug as it is suggesting looking for a family in Scotland when I have them recorded elsewhere? Thanks, Gavin... -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:22 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants So, Let me get this right, if you look up in a census where somebody is on census night, and you enter that information into your database you expect the tool to realise that you already have an entry for that census, what about if someone got married on a census day, would you expect Legacy to omit a census record on that date also? What has got to do with your comment about somebody being in a different country? Which is what my post was referring to? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Please let me correct my bad description in my previous post. The Legacy tool will identify people who have been included in a specific country's census, and you can select the probability of a location still being valid. This probability is, of course, your choice. Like everything, a probability is only an estimate which will show some negatives as positives and vice versa. So, no I would not necessarily expect Legacy to identify all valid results and eliminate all invalid ones. Probability doesn't work that way. It is not too difficult to look for all possibilities for a specific census and then use it in conjunction with the Detailed Search to eliminate those which you do not wish to see included, via tagging. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:21 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants So, Let me get this right, if you look up in a census where somebody is on census night, and you enter that information into your database you expect the tool to realise that you already have an entry for that census, what about if someone got married on a census day, would you expect Legacy to omit a census record on that date also? What has got to do with your comment about somebody being in a different country? Which is what my post was referring to? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:10 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Hi Ron, I am not sure what you are asking but the census tool tries to find people in the database who do not appear to have been found in a census. The help explains some of what it uses to ascertain this. If I put a residence event for someone on census night then I expect that Legacy will determine that I found them "somewhere" on census night and then will not suggest I look for them in a different place on the same night? Does that make sense? Gavin... -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Gavin, Can I just ask you, are you asking for Legacy to check every location against every country in the world - including those that have had different names at different time - for every person who might be alive on census night, in order to check that they have not been elsewhere on census night? If not what do you expect? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Sorry David, I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not appear in the census tool for other countries. Cheers, Gavin... -Original Message- From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the same people that you think it is? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
But that's how it works. The tool doesn't list every person in the database it only lists those people it "thinks" should be in the area searched but don't have a likely census entry (From Help: These include event names and descriptions, individual and event source citations, and individual notes). I have checked the box "Exclude individuals...already found in this census". As for your marriage example that is up to the programmers to answer definatively, they are already looking in a variety of places to try and work that out. For my answer I would say no however census events, residence events yes! So what I am suggesting is that the way it is working isn't ideal because if someone lives in the borders of England and Scotland and keeps swapping back and forward (for example) if I find them and enter them in Scotland then I don't want them appearing in the possible England list for the same year. My specific example is I know a family was in Ireland in 1851 because their children were all born there. I have put a residence event in for the census night of 1851 to try and stop the tool from suggesting Scotland but it still does. My question is should this be reported as a bug as it is suggesting looking for a family in Scotland when I have them recorded elsewhere? Thanks, Gavin... -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:22 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants So, Let me get this right, if you look up in a census where somebody is on census night, and you enter that information into your database you expect the tool to realise that you already have an entry for that census, what about if someone got married on a census day, would you expect Legacy to omit a census record on that date also? What has got to do with your comment about somebody being in a different country? Which is what my post was referring to? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
So, Let me get this right, if you look up in a census where somebody is on census night, and you enter that information into your database you expect the tool to realise that you already have an entry for that census, what about if someone got married on a census day, would you expect Legacy to omit a census record on that date also? What has got to do with your comment about somebody being in a different country? Which is what my post was referring to? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:10 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Hi Ron, I am not sure what you are asking but the census tool tries to find people in the database who do not appear to have been found in a census. The help explains some of what it uses to ascertain this. If I put a residence event for someone on census night then I expect that Legacy will determine that I found them "somewhere" on census night and then will not suggest I look for them in a different place on the same night? Does that make sense? Gavin... -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Gavin, Can I just ask you, are you asking for Legacy to check every location against every country in the world - including those that have had different names at different time - for every person who might be alive on census night, in order to check that they have not been elsewhere on census night? If not what do you expect? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Sorry David, I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not appear in the census tool for other countries. Cheers, Gavin... -Original Message- From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the same people that you think it is? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Hi Ron, I am not sure what you are asking but the census tool tries to find people in the database who do not appear to have been found in a census. The help explains some of what it uses to ascertain this. If I put a residence event for someone on census night then I expect that Legacy will determine that I found them "somewhere" on census night and then will not suggest I look for them in a different place on the same night? Does that make sense? Gavin... -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:02 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Gavin, Can I just ask you, are you asking for Legacy to check every location against every country in the world - including those that have had different names at different time - for every person who might be alive on census night, in order to check that they have not been elsewhere on census night? If not what do you expect? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Sorry David, I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not appear in the census tool for other countries. Cheers, Gavin... -Original Message- From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the same people that you think it is? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Gavin, Can I just ask you, are you asking for Legacy to check every location against every country in the world - including those that have had different names at different time - for every person who might be alive on census night, in order to check that they have not been elsewhere on census night? If not what do you expect? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Sorry David, I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not appear in the census tool for other countries. Cheers, Gavin... -Original Message- From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the same people that you think it is? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Sorry David, I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not appear in the census tool for other countries. Cheers, Gavin... -Original Message- From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the same people that you think it is? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the same people that you think it is? Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers 'In God We Trust' suit rejected by Supreme Court http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/In-God-We-Trust-suit-rejected-by-Supreme-Court-2471527.php http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson [mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 5:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants I might have found a bug. In a bid to remove some (what I believe to be) spurious people in the list I have added a residence event on 30 Mar 1851 for someone who was living in Ireland at the time. In 1841 and 1861 they were living in Scotland. When I do an 1851 census report for Scotland they are appearing in the list despite me having them recorded at that time living in Ireland. Thoughts? -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson [mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 10:18 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants I have noted the percentage cutoff can be used as it does drop off to about 10% when I put in a residence in another country. So I have checked that with a limit of 50% and that removed some. I would like some sort of ignore feature though as if I can't find someone in a string of censuses then I would prefer they didn't pop up in the list for later ones. Anyone else with any ideas for how they are using the tool? Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
I might have found a bug. In a bid to remove some (what I believe to be) spurious people in the list I have added a residence event on 30 Mar 1851 for someone who was living in Ireland at the time. In 1841 and 1861 they were living in Scotland. When I do an 1851 census report for Scotland they are appearing in the list despite me having them recorded at that time living in Ireland. Thoughts? -Original Message- From: Gavin Nicholson [mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 10:18 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants I have noted the percentage cutoff can be used as it does drop off to about 10% when I put in a residence in another country. So I have checked that with a limit of 50% and that removed some. I would like some sort of ignore feature though as if I can't find someone in a string of censuses then I would prefer they didn't pop up in the list for later ones. Anyone else with any ideas for how they are using the tool? Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
I have noted the percentage cutoff can be used as it does drop off to about 10% when I put in a residence in another country. So I have checked that with a limit of 50% and that removed some. I would like some sort of ignore feature though as if I can't find someone in a string of censuses then I would prefer they didn't pop up in the list for later ones. Anyone else with any ideas for how they are using the tool? Gavin... -Original Message- From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012 11:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants On 2012/08/05 13:08, Gavin Nicholson wrote: > Whilst I am liking the census list tool very much I have noted that it > still suggests people might be in a census who have moved to other > countries. [snip] Difficult to come up with an automated solution to this, unless you've also got a date in 1852 which also puts him in Australia. Beyond that, even if a date puts him Australia, how can you discount the possibility of a trip back to Blighty? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
Judith, Not all new options have icons and I would suggest that a better way of finding changes following an update is to go to the update page on the Legacy website where you will find a list of all the changes. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Judith Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 8:54 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants "Whilst I am liking the census list tool very much I have noted that it still suggests people might be in a census who have moved to other countries. For example, Joe BLOW is in the 1841 census in London but moves to Australia in 1845 but is still showing up in the 1851 census list. Anyone found a way of dealing with this?" Gavin: I can't answer your question, but thank you for bringing this up. I didn't even know we had this option, this is a great tool. I can only reach it by inserting the icon in the tool bar, it doesn't show up in the search menu. Guess I'd better check for new icons when Legacy gets an update. Judith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
On 8/5/2012 1:54 PM, Judith wrote: > I can only reach it by inserting the icon in the tool bar, it doesn't show up > in the search menu. Guess I'd better check for new icons when Legacy gets an > update. > > Judith When you search from the magnifying glass or search from anywhere, it is the last tab to the right. No need to put it on the toolbar -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
"Whilst I am liking the census list tool very much I have noted that it still suggests people might be in a census who have moved to other countries. For example, Joe BLOW is in the 1841 census in London but moves to Australia in 1845 but is still showing up in the 1851 census list. Anyone found a way of dealing with this?" Gavin: I can't answer your question, but thank you for bringing this up. I didn't even know we had this option, this is a great tool. I can only reach it by inserting the icon in the tool bar, it doesn't show up in the search menu. Guess I'd better check for new icons when Legacy gets an update. Judith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants
On 2012/08/05 13:08, Gavin Nicholson wrote: > Whilst I am liking the census list tool very much I have noted that it still > suggests people might be in a census who have moved to other countries. For > example, Joe BLOW is in the 1841 census in London but moves to Australia in > 1845 but is still showing up in the 1851 census list. Anyone found a way of > dealing with this? Difficult to come up with an automated solution to this, unless you've also got a date in 1852 which also puts him in Australia. Beyond that, even if a date puts him Australia, how can you discount the possibility of a trip back to Blighty? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
