Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-10 Thread Paula Ryburn
Randy, Thx so much for the EE tip!
 --Paula in Texas
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From: Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, September 7, 2012 4:37:12 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

I'm beginning to dislike the shape-shifting that needs to occur to force the
location to conform to four fields or values. Use the four when it apllies. This
is covered somewhat in EE 8.12.
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-10 Thread Paula Ryburn
This was a great reminder thread on address vs. location and other things - glad
I went ahead and read it despite the Subject! ;)
 --Paula in Texas
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From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, September 9, 2012 12:00:25 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

On 09/09/2012 16:43, Michele Lewis wrote:
 It is on the master list cleanup screen, not the file maintenance.
 My mistake,  When you do a master list cleanup and you hit proceed, a
 popup box comes up that says Would you like to resent all Event
 Sentences to their default wording? and you have to answer yes or
 no.  One mistake her could pretty much ruin your day:)

Oh gosh, yes!  I have *all* my Even Sentences re-written to my
specification and I would hate to have to re-do them all over again.
--
Jenny M Benson

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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Michele Lewis
I put street addresses  as residence events.  I do not put them in the location 
field.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Elizabeth Cunningham [mailto:drybo...@netreach.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Not to mention street addresses. Almost all my relatives lived in Philadelphia, 
and street addresses are essential.
I have one grandfather who moved his family at least 15 times in less than 20 
years.  Without street addresses I am lost.

 Elizabeth C

John S. Adams wrote:
 Many locations in the U.S. don't fit into the 4 field convention,
 including:

 New York City, Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), New York, USA New
 York City, New York County (Borough of Manhattan), New York, USA New
 York City, Queens County (Borough of Queens), New York, USA New York
 City, Bronx County (Borough of The Bronx), New York, USA New York
 City, Richmond County (Borough of Staten Island), New York, USA

 The City and County of San Francisco, California, USA

 Saint Louis, Missouri, USA (independent city, no county)

 and numerous independent cities in Virginia

 John S. Adams
 Ventura, CA


 --
 --
 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 00:12:59 -0400
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC
 From: pph...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

 Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

 JLB,

 How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I
 think is in more than one county?
 I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of
 Middlesex is outside of London.
 Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a
 London address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.

 Pat

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com
 mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G








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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Sorry, Michelle, but can you please explain what you mean? At  the moment I 
don't get it.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com wrote:

I put street addresses  as residence events.  I do not put them in the 
location field.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Elizabeth Cunningham [mailto:drybo...@netreach.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Not to mention street addresses. Almost all my relatives lived in 
Philadelphia, and street addresses are essential.
I have one grandfather who moved his family at least 15 times in less than 20 
years.  Without street addresses I am lost.

 Elizabeth C

John S. Adams wrote:
 Many locations in the U.S. don't fit into the 4 field convention,
 including:

 New York City, Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), New York, USA New
 York City, New York County (Borough of Manhattan), New York, USA New
 York City, Queens County (Borough of Queens), New York, USA New York
 City, Bronx County (Borough of The Bronx), New York, USA New York
 City, Richmond County (Borough of Staten Island), New York, USA

 The City and County of San Francisco, California, USA

 Saint Louis, Missouri, USA (independent city, no county)

 and numerous independent cities in Virginia

 John S. Adams
 Ventura, CA


 

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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Michele Lewis
In the location field I use the conventional 4 places (or 3 or 5 or whatever if 
it happens to be a different country than the US).  I do not put the names of 
cemeteries in here nor the street addresses.

I put the street address in as a residence event:

Event/Fact: Residence
Description:  123 Main Street
Date:  06  Apr 1922
Place:  Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United  States

The output will be:

He resided at 123 Main Street on 06 Apr 1922 in Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, 
United States



Michele




-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Sorry, Michelle, but can you please explain what you mean? At  the moment I 
don't get it.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com wrote:

I put street addresses  as residence events.  I do not put them in the 
location field.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Elizabeth Cunningham [mailto:drybo...@netreach.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Not to mention street addresses. Almost all my relatives lived in 
Philadelphia, and street addresses are essential.
I have one grandfather who moved his family at least 15 times in less than 20 
years.  Without street addresses I am lost.

 Elizabeth C

John S. Adams wrote:
 Many locations in the U.S. don't fit into the 4 field convention,
 including:

 New York City, Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), New York, USA New
 York City, New York County (Borough of Manhattan), New York, USA New
 York City, Queens County (Borough of Queens), New York, USA New York
 City, Bronx County (Borough of The Bronx), New York, USA New York
 City, Richmond County (Borough of Staten Island), New York, USA

 The City and County of San Francisco, California, USA

 Saint Louis, Missouri, USA (independent city, no county)

 and numerous independent cities in Virginia

 John S. Adams
 Ventura, CA


 

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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
Thank you, Michelle, same as I do except that I use the description for, say, 
census and put the address in the Location Field.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com wrote:

In the location field I use the conventional 4 places (or 3 or 5 or whatever 
if it happens to be a different country than the US).  I do not put the names 
of cemeteries in here nor the street addresses.

I put the street address in as a residence event:

Event/Fact: Residence
Description:  123 Main Street
Date:  06  Apr 1922
Place:  Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United  States

The output will be:

He resided at 123 Main Street on 06 Apr 1922 in Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, 
United States



Michele




-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Sorry, Michelle, but can you please explain what you mean? At  the moment I 
don't get it.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com wrote:

I put street addresses  as residence events.  I do not put them in the 
location field.

Michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/09/2012 14:18, Michele Lewis wrote:
 Event/Fact: Residence
 Description:  123 Main Street
 Date:  06  Apr 1922
 Place:  Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United  States

 The output will be:

 He resided at 123 Main Street on 06 Apr 1922 in Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, 
 United States

You could edit your Event Sentence so that instead of reading something
like [HeShe] resided at [Desc] on [Date] in [Place] it reads [HeShe]
resided at [Desc],[Place] on [Date] which would give a neater output, I
think.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Michele Lewis
Jenny,
I read about how y'all do this (changing the way things are worded) but I have 
never even  tried it.  It seems  too advanced to me :)  I  would be afraid that 
 I would accidentally change it back to the default wording when I do a file 
maintenance (There is a checkbox for this and it defaults to checked).I have 
used the override before though and just typed in what I wanted it to say.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 10:50 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

On 09/09/2012 14:18, Michele Lewis wrote:
 Event/Fact: Residence
 Description:  123 Main Street
 Date:  06  Apr 1922
 Place:  Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United  States

 The output will be:

 He resided at 123 Main Street on 06 Apr 1922 in Purvis, Lamar,
 Mississippi, United States

You could edit your Event Sentence so that instead of reading something like 
[HeShe] resided at [Desc] on [Date] in [Place] it reads [HeShe] resided at 
[Desc],[Place] on [Date] which would give a neater output, I think.

--
Jenny M Benson





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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/09/2012 16:04, Michele Lewis wrote:
 I read about how y'all do this (changing the way things are worded)
 but I have never even  tried it.  It seems  too advanced to me:)

It really is quite simple.  You could try it a few times on the Sample
file or a copy of your Family file.

   I
 would be afraid that  I would accidentally change it back to the
 default wording when I do a file maintenance (There is a checkbox for
 this and it defaults to checked).

Are you sure about that?  There is a checkbox for sorting Events by date
but I don't remember seeing one for returning Event Sentences to
default.  (I don't do File Maintenance very often, though!)


--
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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Michele Lewis
Jenny,
It is on the master list cleanup screen, not the file maintenance.  My mistake, 
 When you do a master list cleanup and you hit proceed, a popup box comes up 
that says Would you like to resent all Event Sentences to their default 
wording? and you have to answer yes or no.  One mistake her could pretty much 
ruin your day :)

Michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Ron Ferguson
-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Jenny,
It is on the master list cleanup screen, not the file maintenance.  My
mistake,  When you do a master list cleanup and you hit proceed, a popup box
comes up that says Would you like to resent all Event Sentences to their
default wording? and you have to answer yes or no.  One mistake her could
pretty much ruin your day :)

Michele


Michele,

If, and only if, you do not have an up to date backup

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-09 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 09/09/2012 16:43, Michele Lewis wrote:
 It is on the master list cleanup screen, not the file maintenance.
 My mistake,  When you do a master list cleanup and you hit proceed, a
 popup box comes up that says Would you like to resent all Event
 Sentences to their default wording? and you have to answer yes or
 no.  One mistake her could pretty much ruin your day:)

Oh gosh, yes!  I have *all* my Even Sentences re-written to my
specification and I would hate to have to re-do them all over again.
--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread John S. Adams

Many locations in the U.S. don't fit into the 4 field convention, including:
New York City, Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), New York, USANew York City, 
New York County (Borough of Manhattan), New York, USANew York City, Queens 
County (Borough of Queens), New York, USANew York City, Bronx County (Borough 
of The Bronx), New York, USANew York City, Richmond County (Borough of Staten 
Island), New York, USA
The City and County of San Francisco, California, USA
Saint Louis, Missouri, USA (independent city, no county)
and numerous independent cities in Virginia
John S. AdamsVentura, CA

Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 00:12:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC
From: pph...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

JLB,
How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I think is in 
more than one county?I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think 
part of Middlesex is outside of London.
Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a London 
address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.
Pat

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com wrote:

Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Western Spirit Wood Creations

  Canada has Provinces that use Counties and Provinces that use Jurisdictions 
or Regions, and some use a combination or Districts with a number (These are 
nearly impossible to find without a legal document most of which don't include 
it anyway).
  What I always try to do is use the most complete form I can making sure that 
the city/town is in the correct place, followed by the county if there is one, 
the province, and country. I use commas where a designation is either 
non-existant or unknown. Thus the city of Edmonton in the Province of Alberta, 
would look like: Edmonton, , Alberta, Canada if it were after 1905 and 
Edmonton, , Alberta, British Empire OR Edmonton, , Alberta, , since Alberta 
wasn't part of Canada prior to this. Other Provinces are similar and Counties 
change. B.C. doesn't use counties, Alberta uses a combination depending on 
where and when, Canad didn't exist before 1 Jul 1867 and some provinces joined 
later. It can be confusing.
  As for Washington, DC, I use: Washington, , District of Columbia, United 
States unless the time frame was when it had a county then I enter the County 
instead of the place keeper , .
  I always spell out United States never using USA. But I also don't use it 
prior to the date that a State was part of the union.
  I always attempt to keep all locations as they were at the event time.
  Took me 3 weeks of constant work to fix all my locations the best I could.

  Bev. March
  Calgary, Ab, Canada


  Many locations in the U.S. don't fit into the 4 field convention, including:


  New York City, Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), New York, USA
  New York City, New York County (Borough of Manhattan), New York, USA
  New York City, Queens County (Borough of Queens), New York, USA
  New York City, Bronx County (Borough of The Bronx), New York, USA
  New York City, Richmond County (Borough of Staten Island), New York, USA


  The City and County of San Francisco, California, USA


  Saint Louis, Missouri, USA (independent city, no county)


  and numerous independent cities in Virginia

  John S. Adams
  Ventura, CA




--
  Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 00:12:59 -0400
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC
  From: pph...@gmail.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

  Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

  JLB,


  How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I think is 
in more than one county?
  I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of Middlesex 
is outside of London.
  Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a London 
address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.


  Pat


  On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com wrote:

Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
 so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the
 rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,
 there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How
 this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long
ago stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address
in the Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or
trying to fit Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little
as I know.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 08/09/2012 05:12, Pat Hickin wrote:
 How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I
 think is in more than one county?
 I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of
 Middlesex is outside of London.
 Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a
 London address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.

Just put whatever is in the original Source.  Boundaries move, new towns
are created, old counties abolished, you just have to go with what was
correct at the time.

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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Jack Earnshaw
Until 1889 there wasn’t a County in England called London. The only place to 
officially have the title London was the City of London – the square mile. A 
very small area from the Tower in the east to Fleet Street in the west. 
Everywhere else was part of Middlesex (north of the Thames), Surrey (south of 
the Thames), Essex or Kent. Then in 1889 a new County was created administered 
by the London County Council and took in quite a lot of what had previously 
been in Middlesex, Surrey and a small part of Kent. Middlesex, Surrey and Kent 
continued as smaller counties bordering onto London. This continued until 1965 
when a new entity Greater London was created that took in the existing County 
of London, together with most of the rest of Middlesex, more of Surrey and some 
of Kent, Essex and Hertfordshire. At that point silly things happened, such as 
Staines that had always been in Middlesex moved into Surrey and Kingston which 
housed the County Hall for Surrey was in Greater London.



Sadly, Middlesex doesn’t exist now as a County. It’s name only really existing 
in terms of Middlesex County Cricket and the like.



But, please NEVER suffix a county name with the word County (ie Middlesex is 
just that, not Middlesex County). The only exception in Great Britain (and the 
UK loves exceptions!) is County Durham. And please don’t attempt to squeeze 
British place names into a four field format. E.g in the east of London was 
Stepney, Middlesex, England and later it was Stepney, London, England



For a definition of the County of London see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_London



Jack



From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: 08 September 2012 05:13
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC



Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

JLB,



How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I think is in 
more than one county?

I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of Middlesex is 
outside of London.

Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a London 
address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.



Pat



On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com wrote:

Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G


Eliz


On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's a somewhat similar problem in Virginia, where for 90 or so years
 we've had independent cities that are not in counties. I've never quite
 decided what to do with them!

 Pat


 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com wrote:

 That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want (I'm too
 lazy to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind there isn't a
 county.

 Terri Brown

 From: JLB j...@jgen.ws
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

 If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
 Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.
 
  The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
  Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
  is treated like you would a state.
 
  So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
  (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
  Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
  we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a
  city.
 
  So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county
  as
 
  you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
  not getting it.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
  system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
  leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
  county - and then the district and country.
 
  Jackie
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
  OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never
  would
  have known.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are
  discussing.
  Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
  encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would
  have
  treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.
  Later
  - about 1846 -  it became one county

Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Ron Ferguson
Can we please be clear that at one time London was part of the county of 
Middlesex, and not the other way round. As there is no longer a Middlesex 
County Council technically it no longer exists. However, it is still used to 
describe an area and for post code (zip) purposes.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

On 08/09/2012 05:12, Pat Hickin wrote:
 How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I
 think is in more than one county?
 I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of
 Middlesex is outside of London.
 Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a
 London address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.

Just put whatever is in the original Source.  Boundaries move, new towns
are created, old counties abolished, you just have to go with what was
correct at the time.

--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Jan Roberts
Me too!  Seems the current discussion just goes to show that there are more 
exceptions than not, even in the US - for which the 4 field idea was 'invented'.

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 19:22
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My
 theory, so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either
 leave the rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English
 locations, there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under
 Address. How this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long ago 
stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address in the 
Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or trying to fit 
Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little as I know.

--
Jenny M Benson






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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Ron Ferguson
I have been laughing so much that I have not been able to comment on the
problems of American locations re fitting them into 4 fields :-)

Still can't!!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Jan Roberts
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 2:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

Me too!  Seems the current discussion just goes to show that there are more
exceptions than not, even in the US - for which the 4 field idea was
'invented'.

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 19:22
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My
 theory, so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either
 leave the rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English
 locations, there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under
 Address. How this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long ago
stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address in the
Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or trying to fit
Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little as I know.

--
Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread JLB
That sounds like a plan. Lots of back-tracking though. I hate the way my
cousin puts everything including street name and number into the Master
Locations and I changed them all.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/8/2012 2:21 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
 so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the
 rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,
 there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How
 this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

 I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long
 ago stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address
 in the Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or
 trying to fit Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little
 as I know.




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Ron Ferguson
There seems to be misunderstanding here, that is where Jenny and I put them!
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


JLB j...@jgen.ws wrote:

That sounds like a plan. Lots of back-tracking though. I hate the way my
cousin puts everything including street name and number into the Master
Locations and I changed them all.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/8/2012 2:21 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
 so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the
 rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,
 there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How
 this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

 I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long
 ago stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address
 in the Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or
 trying to fit Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little
 as I know.





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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread JLB
No, not misunderstanding. That's what I thought - that's where you put
everything. I just don't like it but I can see it would be easier than
trying to fit things into the 4 fields and then the Address fields to
take up the slack.

The problem, as I see it, is that it wouldn't fit nicely into Family
View or Individual Info when practically all the room could be taken up
just by the street name.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/8/2012 11:00 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 There seems to be misunderstanding here, that is where Jenny and I put them!
 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 GOONS #5307


 JLBj...@jgen.ws  wrote:

 That sounds like a plan. Lots of back-tracking though. I hate the way my
 cousin puts everything including street name and number into the Master
 Locations and I changed them all.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/8/2012 2:21 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
 so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the
 rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,
 there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How
 this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

 I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long
 ago stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address
 in the Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or
 trying to fit Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little
 as I know.





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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Ron Ferguson

I would advise you to think carefully before you do something which you feel
is not right for you. I do not have a problem along the lines you suggest,
perhaps because I rarely have a full address for a birth or death, and I do
not have residences visible in Family (if it is possible - I haven't
looked), or perhaps I may not consider it a problem, as you may do.

As I have said many times I do things in a way that suits me, and the
applications which I use, hopefully, my thoughts may encourage others not to
think inside boxes designed by others, but they are not recommendations.
Just as I read about other ways of doing things, and then make my own mind
up, I encourage others to do the same.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: JLB
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

No, not misunderstanding. That's what I thought - that's where you put
everything. I just don't like it but I can see it would be easier than
trying to fit things into the 4 fields and then the Address fields to
take up the slack.

The problem, as I see it, is that it wouldn't fit nicely into Family
View or Individual Info when practically all the room could be taken up
just by the street name.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/8/2012 11:00 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 There seems to be misunderstanding here, that is where Jenny and I put
 them!
 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 GOONS #5307


 JLBj...@jgen.ws  wrote:

 That sounds like a plan. Lots of back-tracking though. I hate the way my
 cousin puts everything including street name and number into the Master
 Locations and I changed them all.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/8/2012 2:21 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
 so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the
 rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,
 there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How
 this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

 I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long
 ago stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address
 in the Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or
 trying to fit Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little
 as I know.






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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 08/09/2012 19:42, JLB wrote:
 No, not misunderstanding. That's what I thought - that's where you put
 everything. I just don't like it but I can see it would be easier than
 trying to fit things into the 4 fields and then the Address fields to
 take up the slack.

 The problem, as I see it, is that it wouldn't fit nicely into Family
 View or Individual Info when practically all the room could be taken up
 just by the street name.

I have the Short Location visible in Family View and my own birthplace
(Short version) shows the complete Devonshire Pl, Birkenhead, CHS.  In
Individual View the Long Location shows as Nurshing Home, 18 Devonshire
Place, Birkenhead, Cheshire, Eng so it is just the last 4 letters of
the Country which are cut off.  My father's Cremation place is Landican
Cemetery, Arrowe Park Road, Woodchurch, Cheshire, England and on his
Individual View it is just the Country name which is cut off.  Unless
you have really long addresses I don't think truncation in those Views
would be a problem.

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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread JLB
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I'm certainly not keen on going back
through 10,000 people changing the location formats. On the other hand,
I spend a lot of time changing how my cousin does hers. I'm leaning
toward quitting right where I am. Interesting discussion anyway.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/8/2012 1:12 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:

 I would advise you to think carefully before you do something which you feel
 is not right for you. I do not have a problem along the lines you suggest,
 perhaps because I rarely have a full address for a birth or death, and I do
 not have residences visible in Family (if it is possible - I haven't
 looked), or perhaps I may not consider it a problem, as you may do.

 As I have said many times I do things in a way that suits me, and the
 applications which I use, hopefully, my thoughts may encourage others not to
 think inside boxes designed by others, but they are not recommendations.
 Just as I read about other ways of doing things, and then make my own mind
 up, I encourage others to do the same.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 -Original Message-
 From: JLB
 Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:42 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

 No, not misunderstanding. That's what I thought - that's where you put
 everything. I just don't like it but I can see it would be easier than
 trying to fit things into the 4 fields and then the Address fields to
 take up the slack.

 The problem, as I see it, is that it wouldn't fit nicely into Family
 View or Individual Info when practically all the room could be taken up
 just by the street name.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/8/2012 11:00 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 There seems to be misunderstanding here, that is where Jenny and I put
 them!
 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 GOONS #5307


 JLBj...@jgen.ws   wrote:

 That sounds like a plan. Lots of back-tracking though. I hate the way my
 cousin puts everything including street name and number into the Master

 Locations and I changed them all.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/8/2012 2:21 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 08/09/2012 01:48, JLB wrote:
 I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
 so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the

 rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,

 there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How

 this prints out in reports I have yet to see.

 I hate the way Reports print out if you use the Address field so I long
 ago stopped using it and followed Ron F in putting the complete address
 in the Location field.  And I don't faff about with extra commas or
 trying to fit Locations to 4 elements, I just put as much or as little

 as I know.






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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Eliz Hanebury
I chicken out and just use London, there are too many options for me

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

 JLB,

 How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I think is
 in more than one county?
 I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of Middlesex
 is outside of London.
 Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a London
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-08 Thread Elizabeth Cunningham
Not to mention street addresses. Almost all my relatives lived in
Philadelphia, and street addresses are essential.
I have one grandfather who moved his family at least 15 times in less
than 20 years.  Without street addresses
I am lost.

 Elizabeth C

John S. Adams wrote:
 Many locations in the U.S. don't fit into the 4 field convention,
 including:

 New York City, Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), New York, USA
 New York City, New York County (Borough of Manhattan), New York, USA
 New York City, Queens County (Borough of Queens), New York, USA
 New York City, Bronx County (Borough of The Bronx), New York, USA
 New York City, Richmond County (Borough of Staten Island), New York, USA

 The City and County of San Francisco, California, USA

 Saint Louis, Missouri, USA (independent city, no county)

 and numerous independent cities in Virginia

 John S. Adams
 Ventura, CA


 
 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 00:12:59 -0400
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC
 From: pph...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

 Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

 JLB,

 How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I
 think is in more than one county?
 I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of
 Middlesex is outside of London.
 Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a
 London address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.

 Pat

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com
 mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G








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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread Randy Clark
I'm beginning to dislike the shape-shifting that needs to occur to force
the location to conform to four fields or values. Use the four when it
apllies. This is covered somewhat in EE 8.12.

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:32 PM, JLB j...@jgen.ws wrote:

 If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
 Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
 ---
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 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.
 
  The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
  Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
  is treated like you would a state.
 
  So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
  (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
  Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
  we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a city.
 
  So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county as
 
  you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
  not getting it.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
  system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
  leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
  county - and then the district and country.
 
  Jackie
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
  OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never
 would
  have known.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are
 discussing.
  Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
  encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would
 have
  treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.
  Later
  - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after
 Alexandria
  was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the
 
  area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
  unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
  ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city
 of
  Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
  four place holders - but technically isn't correct.
 
  Jackie
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
  What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
  Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
  Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that
 doesn't
  sound right.
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread Terri Brown
That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want (I'm too lazy 
to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind there isn't a county.
 
Terri Brown



 From: JLB j...@jgen.ws
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.

 The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
 Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
 is treated like you would a state.

 So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
 (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.


 On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
 Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
 we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a city.

 So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county as

 you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
 not getting it.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
 system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
 leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
 county - and then the district and country.

 Jackie

 On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
 OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never would
 have known.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are discussing.
 Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
 encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would have
 treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.  Later
 - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after Alexandria
 was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the

 area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
 unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
 ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city of
 Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
 four place holders - but technically isn't correct.

 Jackie


 On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
 What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
 Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
 Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that doesn't
 sound right.


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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread Pat Hickin
There's a somewhat similar problem in Virginia, where for 90 or so years
we've had independent cities that are not in counties. I've never quite
decided what to do with them!

Pat

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com wrote:

 That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want (I'm too
 lazy to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind there isn't a
 county.

 Terri Brown

*From:* JLB j...@jgen.ws
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

 If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
 Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.
 
  The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
  Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
  is treated like you would a state.
 
  So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
  (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
  Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
  we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a city.
 
  So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county as
 
  you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
  not getting it.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
  system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
  leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
  county - and then the district and country.
 
  Jackie
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
  OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never
 would
  have known.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are
 discussing.
  Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
  encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would
 have
  treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.
 Later
  - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after
 Alexandria
  was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the
 
  area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
  unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
  ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city
 of
  Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
  four place holders - but technically isn't correct.
 
  Jackie
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
  What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
  Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
  Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that
 doesn't
  sound right.
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread JLB
I'm about to launch into England locations. Can hardly wait. My theory,
so far, is to fill in the 4 blanks as applicable and either leave the
rest or put it under the Address. For instance, in English locations,
there's often a parish in a city. I put the parish under Address. How
this prints out in reports I have yet to see.
---
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http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 9/7/2012 5:37 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
 There's a somewhat similar problem in Virginia, where for 90 or so years
 we've had independent cities that are not in counties. I've never quite
 decided what to do with them!

 Pat

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com
 mailto:ridge...@yahoo.com wrote:

 That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want
 (I'm too lazy to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind
 there isn't a county.
 Terri Brown

 *From:* JLB j...@jgen.ws mailto:j...@jgen.ws
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

 If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
 Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
   Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.
  
   The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the
 city of
   Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for
 addressing
   is treated like you would a state.
  
   So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
   (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.
  
  
   On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
   Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very
 confusing. As
   we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is
 a city.
  
   So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a
 county as
  
   you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you
 but I'm
   not getting it.
   ---
   JL Beeken
   JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
   http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
  
   On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
   All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
   system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or
 perhaps
   leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would
 put the
   county - and then the district and country.
  
   Jackie
  
   On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
   OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I
 never would
   have known.
   ---
   JL Beeken
   JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
   http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
  
   On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
   It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are
 discussing.
   Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
   encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably
 would have
   treated it like any city and state with reference to the
 county.  Later
   - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after
 Alexandria
   was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau
 counted the
  
   area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
   unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county
 technically
   ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into
 the city of
   Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to
 use the
   four place holders - but technically isn't correct.
  
   Jackie
  
  
   On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
   What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4
 fields?
   Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
   Columbia, United States in the geo location database and
 that doesn't
   sound right.
  
  
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread Eliz Hanebury
Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G


Eliz

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's a somewhat similar problem in Virginia, where for 90 or so years
 we've had independent cities that are not in counties. I've never quite
 decided what to do with them!

 Pat

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com wrote:

 That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want (I'm too
 lazy to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind there isn't a
 county.

 Terri Brown

 From: JLB j...@jgen.ws
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

 If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
 Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.
 
  The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
  Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
  is treated like you would a state.
 
  So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
  (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
  Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
  we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a
  city.
 
  So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county
  as
 
  you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
  not getting it.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
  system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
  leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
  county - and then the district and country.
 
  Jackie
 
  On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
  OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never
  would
  have known.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
  It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are
  discussing.
  Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
  encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would
  have
  treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.
  Later
  - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after
  Alexandria
  was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted
  the
 
  area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
  unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
  ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city
  of
  Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
  four place holders - but technically isn't correct.
 
  Jackie
 
 
  On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
  What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
  Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
  Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that
  doesn't
  sound right.
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread Pat Hickin
Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

JLB,

How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I think
is in more than one county?
I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of
Middlesex is outside of London.
Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a London
address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.

Pat

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Richmond (Independent city) Virginia  G


 Eliz

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:
  There's a somewhat similar problem in Virginia, where for 90 or so years
  we've had independent cities that are not in counties. I've never quite
  decided what to do with them!
 
  Pat
 
  On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want (I'm
 too
  lazy to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind there isn't a
  county.
 
  Terri Brown
 
  From: JLB j...@jgen.ws
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC
 
  If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
  Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
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  On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
   Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.
  
   The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city
 of
   Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for
 addressing
   is treated like you would a state.
  
   So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
   (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.
  
  
   On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
   Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing.
 As
   we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a
   city.
  
   So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county
   as
  
   you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
   not getting it.
   ---
   JL Beeken
   JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
   http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
  
   On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
   All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
   system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or
 perhaps
   leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put
 the
   county - and then the district and country.
  
   Jackie
  
   On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
   OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never
   would
   have known.
   ---
   JL Beeken
   JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
   http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
  
   On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
   It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are
   discussing.
   Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
   encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably
 would
   have
   treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.
   Later
   - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after
   Alexandria
   was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted
   the
  
   area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
   unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county
 technically
   ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the
 city
   of
   Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use
 the
   four place holders - but technically isn't correct.
  
   Jackie
  
  
   On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
   What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4
 fields?
   Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
   Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that
   doesn't
   sound right.
  
  
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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread Pat Hickin
Sorry for failing to trim my last message  -- thought about it too late.

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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-07 Thread JLB
I know what you mean. London is a rather huge place. Part of Middlesex
IS outside London or at least was 50 years ago. I only know that because
I used to live there.

Well, it gets laborious. First you have to look at the date and then
figure out where the location was in which part of London and what it
was called at that time. I wish my relatives hadn't lived there.

Some days I'm more in a mood to be finicky than I am on other days. I'm
leaving London for a finnicky day.
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On 9/7/2012 9:12 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
 Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!!

 JLB,

 How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I
 think is in more than one county?
 I've got some London, Middlesex County locations.  I think part of
 Middlesex is outside of London.
 Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a
 London address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London.

 Pat




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-06 Thread Jackie King
It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are discussing.
Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would have
treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.  Later
- about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after Alexandria
was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the
area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city of
Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
four place holders - but technically isn't correct.

Jackie


On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
 What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
 Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
 Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that doesn't
 sound right.




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-06 Thread JLB
OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never would
have known.
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On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are discussing.
 Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
 encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would have
 treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.  Later
 - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after Alexandria
 was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the
 area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
 unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
 ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city of
 Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
 four place holders - but technically isn't correct.

 Jackie


 On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
 What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
 Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
 Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that doesn't
 sound right.




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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-06 Thread Jackie King
All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
county - and then the district and country.

Jackie

On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
 OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never would
 have known.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are discussing.
 Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
 encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would have
 treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.  Later
 - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after Alexandria
 was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the
 area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
 unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
 ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city of
 Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
 four place holders - but technically isn't correct.

 Jackie


 On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
 What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
 Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
 Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that doesn't
 sound right.



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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-06 Thread Jackie King
Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.

The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
is treated like you would a state.

So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
(blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.


On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
 Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
 we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a city.
 So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county as
 you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
 not getting it.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
 system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
 leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
 county - and then the district and country.

 Jackie

 On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
 OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never would
 have known.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are discussing.
 Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
 encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would have
 treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.  Later
 - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after Alexandria
 was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the
 area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
 unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
 ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city of
 Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
 four place holders - but technically isn't correct.

 Jackie


 On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
 What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
 Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
 Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that doesn't
 sound right.


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Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC

2012-09-06 Thread JLB
If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be
Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States?
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On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States.

 The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of
 Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing
 is treated like you would a state.

 So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a
 (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA.


 On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote:
 Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As
 we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a city.

 So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county as

 you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm
 not getting it.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county
 system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps
 leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the
 county - and then the district and country.

 Jackie

 On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote:
 OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never would
 have known.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote:
 It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are discussing.
 Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and
 encompassed a portion of Virginia.  In that case you probably would have
 treated it like any city and state with reference to the county.  Later
 - about 1846 -  it became one county and one district after Alexandria
 was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted the

 area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything
 unincorporated as Washington county.  Washington county technically
 ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city of
 Washington. I believe what you see now has been developed to use the
 four place holders - but technically isn't correct.

 Jackie


 On 9/6/2012 5:10 PM, JLB wrote:
 What is the proper way to write Washington, DC using all 4 fields?
 Legacy gives it as Washington, District of Columbia, District of
 Columbia, United States in the geo location database and that doesn't
 sound right.


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