Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Which legislation applies: server or data location?
On 27 August 2013 12:04, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Amidst hard questions in the Brazilian community, I've been wondering which copyright legislation should apply to OpenStreetMap's data (in the case of suspicious data imports): that of where the data is stored and provided from (seems to be from the UK right now) or that of where the data refers to? Or both? Or some other international law? OSM has to obey the laws in the country where it operates. Data shouldn't contributed to the server in the UK that would be in breach of UK law. Contributors should obey the laws of the jurisdictions in which they reside, or are otherwise obliged to obey. Local mapping communities should be able to reach a consensus about contributions that may (for legal reasons) reduce the utility of using the maps in that jurisdiction. This will always be a measured discussion, depending on the particular circumstances. My personal contribution to any such discussion would be that imports that are contrary to local laws that can be substituted legally by other data, survey or otherwise, should not be accepted. Ian. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery license clarification needed
On 26.08.2013 00:14, Paul Norman wrote: I worry: OSM data can be used for any purpose, including commercial ones. The license above explicitly forbids commercial gain: At no time should this imagery or LIDP be used for other than USG-related purposes and must not be used for commercial gain. Will it harm OSM if we have larger scale data from this source included in the database? Without a link to the full license it's impossible to interpret, but if a LIDP was something like a reprojection or other transform of the imagery, it would not necessarily be an issue. Not understanding what the definition of LIDP is makes it so difficult for me to understand the license. Martin replied earlier and he did interpret it as not suitable for OSM. Can you provide the full license so that we can see what the classify tracings as? Unfortunately that was all license text available. It comes from HOT context. I noticed that a lot of imagery and data available for that humanitarian context comes with a clear non-commercial clause. I worry this is tainting the database. Do the data donors know that data stays in the OSM database even after the humanitarian incident is resolved and can (and will) be used for commercial purposes? Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery license clarification needed
From: Stephan Knauss [mailto:o...@stephans-server.de] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery license clarification needed Not understanding what the definition of LIDP is makes it so difficult for me to understand the license. Martin replied earlier and he did interpret it as not suitable for OSM. You can't really interpret part of a license. LIDP is probably a term defined elsewhere. I doubt a tracing is a LIDP, on the other hand, I don't see permission for non-literal imagery derived products (IDPs). Can you provide the full license so that we can see what the classify tracings as? Unfortunately that was all license text available. It comes from HOT context. I noticed that a lot of imagery and data available for that humanitarian context comes with a clear non-commercial clause. I checked the HOT tasking manager and the license presented to users can be found at http://tasks.hotosm.org/license/1 (OSM OAuth signin required) but the usage terms refer to the NextView (NV) License) and it's not clear if that's the same as the usage terms. I've cc'ed hot@ because they should be able clear up these confusions. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] How to update Copyright and contributors pages?
Dear Friends, We're preparing use of National Land Survey of Finland datasets with OSM. What is process to update Copyright (http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright/en) and Contributors pages (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors). Contributors page is writable with basic wiki account, but copyright page is something different, right? Rgs, Pekka -- Pekka Sarkola Gispo Oy mailto:pekka.sark...@gispo.fi pekka.sark...@gispo.fi - GSM +358 40 725 2042 http://www.gispo.fi www.gispo.fi - http://www.paikkatieto.com www.paikkatieto.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [HOT] Imagery license clarification needed
Hi All, This has come up before. HOT is part of a pilot for the initiative Imagery to the Crowd (1). Representatives of HOT and the US Government met multiple times in all day meetings to discuss what the NextView license means as well as to have the vectors available under ODbL. The legal interpretation by the US government lawyers of their own license was that the initial use of the imagery needed to be for humanitarian use, but it was fine for there also to be commercial use. So basically they can't give the OSM community the imagery to digitize for an initially commercial reason, but the vectors can stay in OSM under ODbL no problem beyond that. -Kate (1) https://hiu.state.gov/ittc/ittc.aspx On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: Stephan Knauss [mailto:o...@stephans-server.de] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery license clarification needed Not understanding what the definition of LIDP is makes it so difficult for me to understand the license. Martin replied earlier and he did interpret it as not suitable for OSM. You can't really interpret part of a license. LIDP is probably a term defined elsewhere. I doubt a tracing is a LIDP, on the other hand, I don't see permission for non-literal imagery derived products (IDPs). Can you provide the full license so that we can see what the classify tracings as? Unfortunately that was all license text available. It comes from HOT context. I noticed that a lot of imagery and data available for that humanitarian context comes with a clear non-commercial clause. I checked the HOT tasking manager and the license presented to users can be found at http://tasks.hotosm.org/license/1 (OSM OAuth signin required) but the usage terms refer to the NextView (NV) License) and it's not clear if that's the same as the usage terms. I've cc'ed hot@ because they should be able clear up these confusions. ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Which legislation applies: server or data location?
From: Simon Poole [mailto:si...@poole.ch] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Which legislation applies: server or data location? Ian has already given a good answer. So just a couple of further notes: Some more notes, from a slightly different perspective - The UK has as strong or stronger IP protection for map data than other countries, rendering the question moot most of the time. - As this question originated with an import, any such questions *should* be raised in the import proposal. My guess is that the DWG would tell the user to not import until they get clearance from the LWG. - What OSM does is flat out illegal in some places (North Korea being the typical example, but not the only one). I don't think anyone is particularly concerned, although contributors in such countries may be. Similarly, distributing non-official boundaries may be a problem, and it's impossible to satisfy countries on both sides of some boundaries at the same time. - When dealing with government data, the concerns have mainly been if it is legal in that country. Local governments near me will not license database rights because no such concept exists to them. I had more, but paused and forgot it. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
