Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing implications when extending POI with external metadata
Thank for clarifying Anthony. I apologize for the mistake. Not the best way to start posting in this forum. I'm actually aware that the current license is CC-BY-SA 2.0 and this was an unfortunate copy/paste mistake. I do believe that my original questions still stand, as both licenses have a share-alike requirement. Of all the license requirements, that's the one that concerns me most, as providing all of my business data under the CC-BY-SA 2.0 would not be viable. Here are some of the questions that pop to mind: - If a commercial application complements OSM POI data with user-provided data (example: display a OSM POI along with user-provided address, phone number, etc.), is that considered altering, transforming, or building upon OSM data? In that example, would I have to distribute my user-provided data under the CC-BY-SA 2.0 license? - What if I keep the OSM POI data in a separate database and only reference it, would that make a difference? - If I help the community by feeding some of my user-provided data back to OSM, would that make a difference? - If the OSM POI data is displayed together (i.e. in the same page or same screen or same map, etc.) with data and POIs from other sources, does the share-alike apply? Thanks, Joao On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joao Neto joao.p.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm planning to develop an Android application that displays OpenStreetMap POIs near you and complements the OSM data with data coming from other sources (address, phone numbers, user notes, etc.). What are the license implications in doing that? Would I have to expose the combined data under the ODbL? OSM is not currently licensed under the ODbL. It is licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing implications when extending POI with external metadata
Hi, João, On Friday 21 January 2011 00:28:21 Joao Neto wrote: I'm planning to develop an Android application that displays OpenStreetMap POIs near you and complements the OSM data with data coming from other sources (address, phone numbers, user notes, etc.). What are the license implications in doing that? Would I have to expose the combined data under the ODbL? The general consensus is that *displaying* data (POIs, etc) on top of a OSM layer is not a derivative work, so the ODbL doesn't apply to that data. Just remember to mention attribution and where does each layer come from in your app's documentation. If you're keeping data apart, it'll be perfectly fine. Being able to switch OSM on and off would be very good. However, if you're mixing OSM POIs with some other POIs with no easy way to tell them apart, then ODbL would apply. I hope that clears it up a bit. Best, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org Now listening to: Lindstrøm Prins Thomas - Chillout Sessions, Volume 5 (2008) - [8] Run (6:20) (0.00%) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing implications when extending POI with external metadata
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Joao Neto joao.p.n...@gmail.com wrote: Great points Anthony. Thanks for sharing! To be honest I think the share-alike aspect of the license is too restrictive and working against the project. The most successful projects in the open source / community space all seem to have a very healthy balance between individual contribution and private contribution/investment. I think the share-alike requirement is killing the potential for growing a private ecosystem. In my opinion there aren't that many sustainable business models in this space where companies can freely share their data. If you do that, then eventually someone will copy your data and business model. With your differentiation factor gone, you'll be out of business pretty soon. I think the same could be said of Wikipedia, and in fact there are very few companies successfully making a business model out of taking Wikipedia content. Of course, that doesn't seem to be hurting Wikipedia, which is a project to create a free encyclopedia, not a project to help people make money off their non-free encyclopedias. Likewise, OSM is, or at least was, a project to make a free editable map of the world, not a project to help people make money off their non-free maps of the world. Unlike some in the OSM community I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to make a profit off your maps and/or map data. But I also don't think helping you do so is any part of the goal of the OSM project. Fortunately for you OSM is changing to a license which is much more favorable for exploitation by businesses. Ask this question again in a few months when and if the project has adopted the ODbL. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing implications when extending POI with external metadata
Hi Joao, On 21 January 2011 16:32, Joao Neto joao.p.n...@gmail.com wrote: Great points Anthony. Thanks for sharing! To be honest I think the share-alike aspect of the license is too restrictive and working against the project. The most successful projects in the open source / community space all seem to have a very healthy balance between individual contribution and private contribution/investment. I think the share-alike requirement is killing the potential for growing a private ecosystem. In my opinion there aren't that many sustainable business models in this space where companies can freely share their data. If you do that, then eventually someone will copy your data and business model. With your differentiation factor gone, you'll be out of business pretty soon. I'll investigate the possibility of building a business that generates significant contribution to OSM POI data, but I'm skeptical that it can be made profitable while sharing data with the competition. The hope here is that the availability of open data like that of OSM will change this view at one point and the business models will change. If your differentiation factor is data it'll probably be harder to stay on the market. But it'll be much easier to enter the market for those that make creative uses of data, which is what the contributors of a project like this will often want (what I want anyway) -- more creative uses, more new uses, more advanced technology, faster. If the underlying data can be crowdsourced fro free then, for me, there is no need for a company to exist that will do the same thing commercially and it's only better if the company directs efforts elsewhere. I see the situation as a little similar to when open-source software wasn't yet popular and people thought it was a funny idea that it would be exploitable commercially. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Licensing implications when extending POI with external metadata
Hi, I'm planning to develop an Android application that displays OpenStreetMap POIs near you and complements the OSM data with data coming from other sources (address, phone numbers, user notes, etc.). What are the license implications in doing that? Would I have to expose the combined data under the ODbL? Would that be considered derivative work even if I don't change the OSM data or keep the two databases physically apart and use only references? Please advise. Thanks, Joao ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
