Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Hi, Somebody might get interested in having a look at the business idea of PublicEarth and their Terms of Use. I feel they won't get very many places from me. http://publicearth.com/ http://publicearth.com/terms -Jukka Rahkonen- My look at their business and how it differs from ours is prettiness and a facebook link. We have not made anything to charm the facebook generation, preferring people with thinking powers and a geeky outlook on life. My cynicism is of course related to having spent the last week on real world politics, including lobbying politicians and the superficial nature of the what will I do this weekend? on the frontpage is grating. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
2009/11/18 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi: Hi, Somebody might get interested in having a look at the business idea of PublicEarth and their Terms of Use. I feel they won't get very many places from me. http://publicearth.com/ http://publicearth.com/terms Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
Also interesting to note is that their current (initial?) data set contains POIs that were seemingly contributed by random (english sounding) user names. Even in non-english speaking countries most (all?) contributors have english names. Descriptions are of course in perfect local (non english) language. In a town with 20 POIs they are contributed by 18 diferent people, which makes a very low average for someone getting over the burden of registering to contribute. Seems to me that they are using crowd sourcing public as a facade to do their data laundry. Stefan On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
They are using OSM data. If you look at Cambridge, UK, for instance, you'll see the entry for Kettles Yard and The Junction have both been credited to OSM. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 18 November 2009 12:10 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
Link here, sorry http://publicearth.com/places/arts-and-cultural-centers/kettles-yard-gallery PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Barnett, Phillip Sent: 18 November 2009 14:34 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: RE: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use They are using OSM data. If you look at Cambridge, UK, for instance, you'll see the entry for Kettles Yard and The Junction have both been credited to OSM. -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 18 November 2009 12:10 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
I wonder if Google is going to change their terms of use now they are shedding their major map data providers[1][2]. Being liberated from their terms of use – for now, in the US only – Google is free to conjure up any terms of use for their map data they like. Their 'Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service' still prohibit Google Maps users from creating any derivative work[3] - which a project such as PublicEarth certainly seems to be trying to do. In that way they are in much the same kind of trouble as GeoNames[4]. They seem not to care too much themselves though[5]. [1] http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/09/19/google-maps-now-using-teleatlas-data-exclusively/ [2] http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/10/12/google-replaces-tele-atlas-data-in-us-with-google-data/ [3] http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/help/terms_maps.html - see 2(b) [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geonames [5] http://forum.geonames.org/gforum/posts/list/262.page martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
http://publicearth.com/places/ice-rinks/olimpija-ljubljana On this small map the POI was created by WilliemBlaeu While on the big (main) map there are 2 POIs, created by JohnSpeed and JohnMelish and the names change randomly with each reload! Try http://publicearth.com/explore/2c508cb2-c99f-11de-8c6b-00163e75a173?swx=14.445133209228514swy=46.007335618361644nex=14.59464111328ney=46.09978087997012 (no easy way to find a permalink, but this seems to provide al teast consistent list on the left) Or you can just browse POIs in Ljubljana, Slovenia. Stefan On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: Link here, sorry http://publicearth.com/places/arts-and-cultural-centers/kettles-yard-gallery PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Barnett, Phillip Sent: 18 November 2009 14:34 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: RE: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use They are using OSM data. If you look at Cambridge, UK, for instance, you'll see the entry for Kettles Yard and The Junction have both been credited to OSM. -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 18 November 2009 12:10 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
