Re: [L-I] Why I am voting for David McReynolds
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Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?
> > within the working class, and if people live in a foreign country for > decades and don't hardly speak a single sentence in that country's > language (Johannes: please don't deny that there are people like that!) > this is nothing to defend. It's simply narrow minded and in fact > reactionary. We should be Marxists, not liberal dogooders with a bad > consciousness. We should tell it like it is.> So that would make the supression of the German language in the USA at the time of World War 1 a progressive policy? Yours for Victory (Cabbage), Craig Olson ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?
En relación a Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?, el 29 Aug 00, a las 12:51, Tony Abdo dijo: > Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to > immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not > occurred to you why these immigrants might not have learned your > language? It is from fear, and nothing else. Well, that is very taxative, and probably too American. Fear may be a component. But the basic question is "why does not the German formation work in order to have these migrants learn German?". In Argentina, European migrants were very proud that they did not speak the same language that the unworthy locals, but the Argentine formation took the pains to educate them into our own language, and if not themselves their children were lucky not only to learn Spanish but also to attain a higher level of education they would have ever attained in Europe. There was an interest of the Argentinian ruling classes to include those newcomers into the country. There does not seem to exist such an interest among the German ruling classes today. Perhaps that's why Anthony's proposition that Anton go and teach German to migrants sounds so revolutionary. Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?
En relación a [L-I] Speaking the same language?, el 29 Aug 00, a las 13:26, Anton Holberg dijo: > there > is no need to defend every sort of narrowmindedness within the > working class, and if people live in a foreign country for decades > and don't hardly speak a single sentence in that country's language > this is nothing to defend. It's simply narrow minded and in fact > reactionary So that you put the burden on the victim! Let us now try a little bit of historic materialism... A Marxist should be asking her or himself why don't those people learn the local language, which would obviously be to their advantage. What are the mechanisms by which the social structure of Germany hems these people into a linguistic ghetto? THAT is a Marxist question. Ghettoization is a wonderful weapon for imperialist bourgeoisies, as Puerto Ricans in New York can testify. I insist, Anton, you may be (and most certainly are) a good willed man, but your cast of mind is exactly the opposite as that of a Marxist. Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] Croatian War Crimes Witness Murdered
-- Croatian war crimes witness killed Human rights workers in Croatia have criticised the government after the killing of a former soldier who volunteered to give war crimes evidence against fellow-Croats. The man, Milan Levar, died in a bomb blast at his home in Gospic on Monday. A leading human rights worker the head of the Croatian Helsinki Commission, Zarko Puhovski said the government and the international war crimes tribunal should have given him better protection. He described the killing as a ringing message to other people expected to testify about war crimes and a significant blow to law, order and justice in Croatia. Mr Levar aroused hostility in country after he told war crimes investigators about massacres of Serbs by Croats after Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia. >From the newsroom of the BBC World Service ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Cuba
En relación a Re: [L-I] Cuba, el 29 Aug 00, a las 14:04, A.Wosni dijo: > I just said > both ideologies are not identical and Marxists primarily deal with > class not nation. Too many mistakes for so short a sentence. To begin with, Marxism and "nationalism" are not two "ideologies". They cannot be compared in abstract. They are two different things. Marxism is a complex vision of life with deep philosophical roots, which gives a common method of analysis to praxis in the most different realms of life. "Nationalism" is nothing of the sort, not a Weltanschauung such as Marxism is. "Nationalism" is a way of considering things on this world where the interests of a certain fraction of humankind are put above the interests of the whole of humankind. Why your confusion, Anton? Will tell you: Since you seem to believe that Marxists do the same thing, but with "class not nation", then you equate two things that are completely different. "Aren't Marxists putting the interests of "a class" above those of humankind (which, BTW, is most probably an abstraction without meaning and most probably a weapon in the hands of reaction)? Nationalism, that is, reaction, puts "nation" above all. We must struggle against them, because we put "class" above all." This is elementary formalism, and carries us nowhere. It is not a matter of whether we divide society along "horizontal" or "vertical" lines, it is a matter of politically understanding what is the class contents of nationalism, in each situation and in each moment in history. The problem is, Anton, that you do not seem to see the issue in terms of class contents, but of abstract confrontation of opposite principles. This is positively NOT the way Marxists behave (and certainly not the way LDT liked to behave). > They support the struggle of oppressed nations not > because they believe thatz on the basis of nationalism the crucial > problems of the masses and the working class in particular could be > solved but because being with the working class (andthe oppressed > masses) in their demoicratic struggles is a precondition for > eventually leading them in the class struggle. This implies, clearly, that national struggle is not class struggle. Which was already demonstrated on my previous posting on your elementary (sorry, can't find better wording) ways of posing the issu. But national democratic (not just "democratic", much to your distress, and I would even add "national" even when sometimes not "democratic") demands are revolutionary in themselves when it is an oppressed people which brings them to the struggle, and they are full of class content. You cannot see this content because you think in terms of formal categories, absolutely deprived of concrete content. The only way to deploy this content in its whole diversity, however, lies in getting involved in _the admittedly complex kind of class struggle that national struggle is_, arm with arm, mind with mind, glance with glance, and show (if we are able to do so) that we are the hardest fighters for those national (class) objectives, and if such we are it is because without struggle for socialism there is no victory in our national (class) struggle against the only bourgeoisies that count on the global scene, that is imperialist bourgeoisies. > No Berlin Wall here. > Therefore the national sentiment of the Cuban people in opposition to > (US-)imperialism is welcomed, but in itself it's not class based > (though it can be to a certain extent). Did you know, Anton, that you are contradicting yourself? Why on earth should we welcome antiimperialism in Cubans if this was not "class based"? There was anti-English imperialism in Germany by the turn of the 1900s, for instance, but its class content made it not very palatable for us Marxists. And, in general, and back to your queer way to look on Marxism: so that there are some aspects of political mass life that do not have class contents (though they "can be to a certain extent")? Well, Anton, this is exactly what the bourgeois say when we Marxists put them against the ropes. Both sentiments should be > taken seriously but not mistaken one for another. Who is doing such a mistake? What is, in your opinion, Anton, the concrete, material contents, the objective force pushing masses towards nationalism in the Third World? On the answer you give to this question you can build yourself either as a Leninist or as a reformist. You did not answer this question yet. Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] Could you help me debunk an old lie?
Seems the faddish thing among right-wing circles is to say that leftists are actually closer to being Nazis than are right-wingers. (Yes, they are going partially on the fact that the Nazis chose to call themselves "National Socialists" when in reality their version of "Socialism" meant killing 'enemies of the state' and taking their property.) If anyone wants to volunteer to write an essay that concisely refutes this canard, I'd really appreacite it and I promise to credit the author. Thanks! Tamara ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Moderator's note
thank you, nestor. some of us are looking for information - not personal diatribes. norm Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: > > En relación a RE: [L-I] Cuba, > el 28 Aug 00, a las 15:40, Mark Jones dijo: > > > > > Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo: > > > > >> In the end, the result of all this is either deserved and navel- > > > gazing loneliness for the Left, or tremendous defeats (such as in > > > Bolivia, 1972) for the masses. > > > > > > Anton, I am seriously afraid that you do not have the slightest idea > > > of what does the word "dialectic" mean. > > > > Oh, come on. He doesn't even know what 'navel' means. The rest of us > > know it's an orange. For Wonsi it's just a black hole. > > Mark, this kind of flaming is not allowed on L-I. You know this very > well. First and last public warning. Period. > > Néstor Gorojovsky > Co-moderador > Lista Leninist-International > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > Leninist-International mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?
Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not occurred to you why these immigrants might not have learned your language? It is from fear, and nothing else. Immigrants fear being ridiculed as they try to master the skills necessary in learning a new language. Some feel so ashamed and fearful of being put down, that they just shut off from being engaged in the process of learning the dominant language. They continually avoid any interactions where there 'weakness' might be exposed. Isn't this a natural psychological process much different than being reactionary or narrow minded? I suggest that you volunteer to teach German language skills to some immigrants, and learn something about the motivations for their behavior that you seem to disapprove so strongly to. Tony ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] Speaking the same language?
Mr. Holberg: >And something else: Marxists don't need to adore the working class (no matter >what nationality) for what it is (as a class in itself it is mainly material for >exploitation).Marxists look to the working class as it can be and as it must be >if it wants the liberate itself and by this mankind as a whole. Therefore there >is no need to defend every sort of narrowmindedness within the working >class, and if people live in a foreign country for decades and don't hardly >speak a single sentence in that country's language (Johannes: please don't deny >that there are people like that!) this is nothing to defend. It's simply narrow >minded and in fact reactionary. We should be Marxists, not liberal dogooders >with a bad consciousness. We should tell it like it is. ] The only thing reactionary here is the notion that speaking the same language is "progressive". The most combative section of the US working class today are Latino janitors in Los Angeles and meat-packers in the midwest, most of whom speak English either haltingly or not at all. Louis Proyect The Marxism mailing-list: http://www.marxmail.org ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Cuba
John Catalinotto schrieb: > > Ownen Jones wrote > - > People who have gone to Cuba who have talked to Cubans > > - and this is very hard since it is illegal for a > Cuban to talk to a foreigner - > will pledge their support for the Revolution and even > list its various achievements, but they are very > critical about Castro. > > I and other comrades who have traveled to Cuba have > found that Cubans talk politics with foreigners and > among themselves in front of foreigners, including > criticizing policies, and that their active > participation is much greater than that of the > population in the U.S. and Western Europe. > > Regarding the comments from Anton, it appears that he > opposes any sign of nationalism in oppressed countries > (Cuba or Yugoslavia), [Sorry, but simply untrue. I supported and support the national liberation struggles against imperialism (and I am therefore for the defense of Serbia against NATO-forces) and in general of the oppressed nationalities against their oppressors (and therefore I'm in favour of the Kosova-Albanians' right of selfdetermination which means secession from Serbia if they want so).I have said so on this list several times. But I say that the right of national selfdetermination and nationalism in general is a bourgeois right and is not enough to solve any of the basic problems of the toiling masses let alone of the working class. Andevenmore: there can be no true national independence within the frame of capitalism and therefore without an international proletarian revolution. As Marxists and therefore Leninists we should primarily be concerned with the struggle of the working class for selfemancipation, a struggle which has to be internationalist since capitalism too is a world system. Experience has shown that almost the struggle for national rights takes the upperhand over the struggle for the social liberation of the toiling masses if lead by non-proletarian forces (s. PLO including PFLP and DFLP,ANC incl. CPSA, SWAPO, MPLA, FRELIMO, FRETILIN, PKK etc. up to the Maoist CPCH, which both socially and programmatically was in fact more like the Russian 'Social Revolutionaries' than the Bolsheviks). To say it once more: This does not mean that Leninists should not support such national struggles! It means that they should not lump them together with the class struggle of the proletariat. Lenin was very cathegorical here. In the 'Preliminary Draft Theses on the National and the Colonial Question' adopted by the 2nd Congress of the Com.International in 1920 in § 11 he says: "5th.The need for a determined struggle against attempts to give a communist colouring to bourgeois-democratic liberation trends in the backward countries; the Communit International should support bourgeois-democratic national movements in colonial and backward countries only on condition that, in these countries, the elements of future proletarian parties, which will be communist not only in name, are brought together and trained to understand their special tasks, i.e. those of the struggle against the bourgeois-democratic movements within their own nations. The CI must enter into a temporary alliance with bourgeois democracy in the colonial and backward countries, but should not merge with it, and should under all circumstances uphold the independence of the proletarian movement, even if it is in its most embryonic form". I have been trying to stress this point over and over again in this list since it seems to me that many of its members do not accept this or may even be unaware of the Bolshevik legacy here.] yet expresses the nationalism of > an imperialist country by demanding immigrants master > the national language of the ruling class. [I don't know how things are in the US (or do I?),but in Germany for instance German is the language of the majority of the working class before it is the language of the ruling class. In fact at the times of the Prussian king Friedrich II. the understanding was that German was the language of the 'horses' while the ruling class spoke French. I'm not interested in the immigrants talking to the members of the ruling class (whom they probably only see on TV) but that they can communicate with their class bretheren and that they can get to know about the country and society they are living in in order to take part in the struggle to overturn it. And something else: Marxists don't need to adore the working class (no matter what nationality) for what it is (as a class in itself it is mainly material for exploitation).Marxists look to the working class as it can be and as it must be if it wants the liberate itself and by this mankind as a whole. Therefore there is no need to defend every sort of narrowmindedness within the working class, and if people live in a foreign country for decades and don't hardly speak a single sentence in that country's language (Johannes: please don't d
[L-I] ML Update, Vol.3; No.34; 30-8-2000.
ML Update A CPI(ML) News Magazine Vol:3; No.34; 30-8-2000. Editorial: Police Brutality, Peoples War and Peoples Ire If the police in India have long reveled in the reputation of being the nations foremost organized criminal gang, the credit of being Indias number one police state has generally been backward Bihar. The age-old khaki shorts of Indian police have of course started giving way to more modern and colorful attire (the dress code of khaki shorts now stands reserved for another variety of criminals the musclemen and thought police of RSS), and the weapons are also getting increasingly sophisticated, but in terms of brutality and lawlessness, the police of Independent India are still capable of putting the colonial police to shame. It is this unbridled brutality and lawlessness of Indian police which is always sought to be defended by bourgeois leaders and administrators in the name of strengthening the morale of the police. The current spate of police atrocities in Bihar has once again revived Bihars notoriety as a police state. From the killing of CPI(ML) leader Vishwanath Ram in Bhojpur to the showering of police lathis on a CPI(M) demonstration in Jhanjharpur of Madhubani, the list of police brutalities is lengthening every day. The one incident which has rocked the entire state, happened in Imamganj bordering Patna and Jahanabad districts just three days after India celebrated the 53rd anniversary of her Independence. On August 18, the Bihar police went on berserk on the students of Imamganj who were observing a black day in protest against the beating up of a student in a so-called peoples court sponsored by the local PWG unit a few days ago. At the end of the day three students were found missing and the next day the local people discovered the dead bodies of the missing students aged between 6 and 22, with tell-tale signs of brutal torture. When the people blocked the road demanding the Chief Ministers intervention, they were not spared and a student leader Sushil Kumar of AISA was detained and tortured for sixty long hours in police custody before being sent to a jail in Patna. As we go to the press, the aggrieved people of Imamganj and all justice-loving sections of society are demanding exemplary penal action against the erring police officials as well as civil functionaries like the concerned BDO, SDO and DM of Patna. The state government on the other hand is trying to hush up the whole thing by just suspending the in-charge of the local police picket and doctoring the post-mortem report to attribute the murder of victims of police torture to drowning in the nearby canal. As the battle lines between repression and justice, between police raj and the rule of law, are being drawn in sharp relief, it is time for everybody to take side. For all streams of defenders of democracy, here is an open challenge to rise to the occasion. The anarchists and pseudo-revolutionaries of PWG, however, found themselves thoroughly isolated and unmasked by the events in Imamganj. The local PWG unit had conducted a typical peoples court to try one high school student who was accused of having slapped a fellow girl student in the course of an altercation. The court was chaired by an ex-activist of the PWG who had incidentally been expelled by the group on the charges of hobnobbing with the police and the Ranvir Sena. While the local women themselves pleaded for letting off the accused student with five counter-slaps by the girl, the PWG insisted on subjecting him to twenty whiplashes, tonsuring of head and a fine of Rs. 10,000! And the sentence was immediately carried out by a group of local activists of the Ranvir Sena. It is this brutal demonstration of the PWG model of revolutionary justice which triggered the peoples ire and a thoroughly exposed PWG is now trying to keep up the morale of its ranks by portraying the peoples anger as a caste backlash and blaming the revisionist and vote-hungry CPI(ML) for leading the peoples resistance against police atrocity! There could not perhaps be a clearer revelation of the real meaning of the high-sounding revolutionary phrases of the anarchists. Holding peoples courts to resolve contradictions among school students, delivering Taliban-like verdicts and carrying them out in tandem with elements of the Ranvir Sena, slapping fines of the order of Rs. 10,000 on students, and maligning the consequent outburst of students ire against injustice and coercion as an engineered caste backlash can there be a more suitable recipe for counter-revolution? Press release CPI(ML) Condemns Killer Naidu Govt. for Frenzied Repression on Agitators CPI(ML) strongly condemns Chandrababu Naidu's killer government (In Andhra state) for launching brutal and heinous repression on tens of thousands of protestors who had come to Hyderabad on 28 August to peacefully demonstrate before the Assembly against steep hike in power tariff. The incident has re
[L-I] CPI(ML) Liberation Call
CPI(ML) Liberation call : International Solidarity for Struggle Against 'Plan Columbia' On 30 August, when Bill Clinton will be visiting Colombia in order to give his personal support for the so called Plan Colombia and to further the politics of US intervention in the region, many communist parties, trade unions, human right associations and popular organizations in USA, Europe and Latin American countries will hold protest demonstrations against this undesired visit. The Plan Colombia means a large amount of money at the disposal of the Colombian government, officially dedicated to fight drug traffic and to eliminate the cultivation of cocoa by implementing alternative economic and social development programs. In reality this plan implies: influx of new US-military advisers in addition to those already there since years; latest military technology for the Colombian army and creation of new battalions for special operations; elimination of cocoa plantations without any program for alternative cultivation bringing more misery and hunger for thousands of peasants, political protection for the paramilitary groups, the real big drug cartels; and protection for the destructive activities of the multinational enterprises. It will also lead to the forced expulsion of at least 200,000 persons that would enlarge the contingent of almost 1,800,000 persons that has been expelled from their lands and communities by paramilitary groups and the Colombian army and terrorizing the civil population that is suspected to support the guerrilla movement. In August the Army killed six children during their school journey to the mountains, and five peasants were killed sadistically and brutally by a paramilitary group very near to a military installation of the army. The Plan Colombia is also a threat for the peace process between the FARC (Revolutionary Army of Colombia) and the ELN (National Liberation Army) and the government, as the Colombian government lacks will to solve the causes that has led to the armed conflict and the finances of the Plan will strengthen the hawks, the Colombian oligarchy and Army. In the course of this onslaught against Colombian people a direct US-military intervention, in whatsoever form, can no longer be ruled out. So an appeal for international solidarity against Plan Columbia was issued by a number of organisations. In a message to the organisers of protest our Party (CPI-ML) has shared this concern and assured all possible efforts to mobilise Indian people in solidarity to the international protest against the US war design against Colombian people. Press release CPI(ML) Condemns Killer Naidu Govt. of Andhra state for Frenzied Repression on Agitators CPI(ML) strongly condemns Chandrababu Naidu's killer government (In Andhra state) for launching brutal and heinous repression on tens of thousands of protestors who had come to Hyderabad on 28 August to peacefully demonstrate before the Assembly against steep hike in power tariff. The incident has revealed the real barbaric face hidden behind a labouiously hyped cyber state. The 9-left party alliance, of which CPI(ML)-Liberation is an important constituent, had called upon the people to march to Hyderabad to participate in 'Assembly Chalo' on 28 August and compel the Naidu government to roll back the hike in power tariff. When lakhs of people turned up in response, a panicked Naidu deployed heavy police contingents to detain people at railway stations and bus terminals. Police lathicharged at several places in this course. But braving the natural calamities of cyclone and flood as well as police brutalities, tens of thousands of people not only reached Hyderabad, they broke the police barricades in their bid to enter the Assembly. Naidu had virtually turned Hyderabad into a police cantonment, but the people pierced through it. Frenzied police resorted to all means of assault, lathi-charge, water cannons, teargas shells and ultimately firing, killing at least four and injuring hundreds of protestors. Not only that, police mercilessly lathicharged on opposition MLAs and leaders sitting on fast to press the demand. While firmly supporting the movement to compel Naidu government to take back the power tariff hike, the Party calls upon Andhra people to make 29 August Andhra Bandh (Statewide general strike) called by 9-left parties a complete success in protest against the brutal state repression. ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] CPI(ML) Liberation Call
CPI(ML) Liberation call : International Solidarity for Struggle Against 'Plan Columbia' On 30 August, when Bill Clinton will be visiting Colombia in order to give his personal support for the so called Plan Colombia and to further the politics of US intervention in the region, many communist parties, trade unions, human right associations and popular organizations in USA, Europe and Latin American countries will hold protest demonstrations against this undesired visit. The Plan Colombia means a large amount of money at the disposal of the Colombian government, officially dedicated to fight drug traffic and to eliminate the cultivation of cocoa by implementing alternative economic and social development programs. In reality this plan implies: influx of new US-military advisers in addition to those already there since years; latest military technology for the Colombian army and creation of new battalions for special operations; elimination of cocoa plantations without any program for alternative cultivation bringing more misery and hunger for thousands of peasants, political protection for the paramilitary groups, the real big drug cartels; and protection for the destructive activities of the multinational enterprises. It will also lead to the forced expulsion of at least 200,000 persons that would enlarge the contingent of almost 1,800,000 persons that has been expelled from their lands and communities by paramilitary groups and the Colombian army and terrorizing the civil population that is suspected to support the guerrilla movement. In August the Army killed six children during their school journey to the mountains, and five peasants were killed sadistically and brutally by a paramilitary group very near to a military installation of the army. The Plan Colombia is also a threat for the peace process between the FARC (Revolutionary Army of Colombia) and the ELN (National Liberation Army) and the government, as the Colombian government lacks will to solve the causes that has led to the armed conflict and the finances of the Plan will strengthen the hawks, the Colombian oligarchy and Army. In the course of this onslaught against Colombian people a direct US-military intervention, in whatsoever form, can no longer be ruled out. So an appeal for international solidarity against Plan Columbia was issued by a number of organisations. In a message to the organisers of protest our Party (CPI-ML) has shared this concern and assured all possible efforts to mobilise Indian people in solidarity to the international protest against the US war design against Colombian people. Press release CPI(ML) Condemns Killer Naidu Govt. of Andhra state for Frenzied Repression on Agitators CPI(ML) strongly condemns Chandrababu Naidu's killer government (In Andhra state) for launching brutal and heinous repression on tens of thousands of protestors who had come to Hyderabad on 28 August to peacefully demonstrate before the Assembly against steep hike in power tariff. The incident has revealed the real barbaric face hidden behind a labouiously hyped cyber state. The 9-left party alliance, of which CPI(ML)-Liberation is an important constituent, had called upon the people to march to Hyderabad to participate in 'Assembly Chalo' on 28 August and compel the Naidu government to roll back the hike in power tariff. When lakhs of people turned up in response, a panicked Naidu deployed heavy police contingents to detain people at railway stations and bus terminals. Police lathicharged at several places in this course. But braving the natural calamities of cyclone and flood as well as police brutalities, tens of thousands of people not only reached Hyderabad, they broke the police barricades in their bid to enter the Assembly. Naidu had virtually turned Hyderabad into a police cantonment, but the people pierced through it. Frenzied police resorted to all means of assault, lathi-charge, water cannons, teargas shells and ultimately firing, killing at least four and injuring hundreds of protestors. Not only that, police mercilessly lathicharged on opposition MLAs and leaders sitting on fast to press the demand. While firmly supporting the movement to compel Naidu government to take back the power tariff hike, the Party calls upon Andhra people to make 29 August Andhra Bandh (Statewide general strike) called by 9-left parties a complete success in protest against the brutal state repression. ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Cuba
A simple answer, Nestor:I didn't say anything like that. I just said both ideologies are not identical and Marxists primarily deal with class not nation. They support the struggle of oppressed nations not because they believe thatz on the basis of nationalism the crucial problems of the masses and the working class in particular could be solved but because being with the working class (andthe oppressed masses) in their demoicratic struggles is a precondition for eventually leading them in the class struggle. No Berlin Wall here. Therefore the national sentiment of the Cuban people in opposition to (US-)imperialism is welcomed, but in itself it's not class based (though it can be to a certain extent). Both sentiments should be taken seriously but not mistaken one for another. Best, A.H. xx Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky schrieb: > En relación a [L-I] Cuba, > el 28 Aug 00, a las 10:30, A.Wosni dijo: > > > on Cuba: > > > > 1. while it is important to know how much popular backing the > > Castro-regime still has, this in itself does not prove any > > 'socislist'and/or 'workers state' character of the regime, of course. > [...] > > Things would be so easy if the bad guys were always disliked. I > > somewhere read that the Russian zar Ivan the Cruel was much liked by > > the people (at least they all broke out in tears when he had died).If > > Castro still has the support of the majority of the people (specially > > the working class) this may be more because of nationalist than of > > class sentiment. > > Is the following an unfaithful translation? > > (a) there is a Berlin Wall between both "sentiments" > (b) class sentiments are worthy of support, and nationalist > sentiments are unworthy of support. > > Consequently, movements which are based on "nationalist sentiments" > are reactionary. > > As a corollary, people in the Third World, who have this stubborn > tendency to be nationalists, are reactionary. > > Final conclusion: let us try to explain people out of their mistake. > > In the end, the result of all this is either deserved and navel- > gazing loneliness for the Left, or tremendous defeats (such as in > Bolivia, 1972) for the masses. > > Anton, I am seriously afraid that you do not have the slightest idea > of what does the word "dialectic" mean. Not joking. > > Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > Leninist-International mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
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En relación a RE: [L-I] Cuba, el 28 Aug 00, a las 15:40, Mark Jones dijo: > > Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo: > > >> In the end, the result of all this is either deserved and navel- > > gazing loneliness for the Left, or tremendous defeats (such as in > > Bolivia, 1972) for the masses. > > > > Anton, I am seriously afraid that you do not have the slightest idea > > of what does the word "dialectic" mean. > > Oh, come on. He doesn't even know what 'navel' means. The rest of us > know it's an orange. For Wonsi it's just a black hole. Mark, this kind of flaming is not allowed on L-I. You know this very well. First and last public warning. Period. Néstor Gorojovsky Co-moderador Lista Leninist-International [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
