Re: [liberationtech] Blockchain Revolution | Social network | Decentralized web | Smart Contracts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/07/2015 11:50 PM, crypto vrontis wrote: Hello I'm a software developer from Greece and I am writing to inform you about a project that has progress made by a small team of developers including me.Is a digital currency named Qora. The achievements that the Qora platform has introduced the last months on the cryptocurrencies scene is by far the most innovative in the tech world. Hello Crypto Vrontis, you seem to like wild claims, like your confessed inspiration Gerald Celente. Last July 25th you said[0]: We are living in a world which also happens to be a digital world. Besides the fact that, you know everyone is working with their own mobile, everyone post their own status or photo on instagram or on Facebook. We are a generation that has become a more tech friendly. And we do admire technology, we do know what technology will give us. It will give us a comfortable life, it will give us profit, it will give us everything. We all know what technology is. As you happen to be in Greece, where the Faircoin summit is going on in Crete[5], I was wondering about the relations between the two projects and found three interesting points that I'd like you to clarify: I saw an anarcho-capitalist (sic) flag on your social network[1], which is not uncommon in the crypto-currency world; another account[2] seems to emphasize transhumanist belief (H+); finally, you praise proof-of-stake and polling with weighted voting[0], a strategy also chosen by Bitshare, which Faircoin is working on eliminating to prevent the formation of oligarchy in their network[3]. How would you define your political orientation, and how do you envision the role of Qora in the context of Greece? Do you believe in H+ principles? What's your understanding of the relation between economics and politics? Another point I'm concerned with: AT seems to be an acronym for Automated Transactions, but I've seen it expanded as Arbitrary Transactions[4]: I believe it's a typo, as using a single acronym for two meanings in the same context would simply lead to confusion. Thank you for your attention, == hk [0]: https://beyondbitcoin.org/bonus-hangout-qora-vrontis-ciyam/ [1]: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=tuckfheman.com [2]: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=cyborg [3]: https://fair-coin.org/faircoin2.html [4]: https://medium.com/qora-world/overview-of-qora-smart-contracts-and-decen tralized-web-3987dc28e064 [5]: https://fair.coop/summer-camp-on/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVxcwaXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg91n0P/Rgel1hlk3ik5B6LIsk6T/zO UFaYF1TBfq3K6y5hPsp1FS8DAs3i1dVhFydX2lP4DCr42JSJc89azO3bR6l1X0gx QaMgFsE34L2i4WgYP/X/z5M8lMVTQQ24AzsjUthn1OcNymGZX+AA9qTM4wWCfmPs QIcRcdpR9waglML7gommWD06hl3pKNcAw8Y97HvYbKjijibEDsf1s/nM5yGz4uE1 ml+cEPwWghfboXnye6l3kfJKNa68Y6SxvvycnwdVxtvdLVsJgx3SxyYOV3ECigIy OJVQcl6T+cbekjy+RPe2watoqZZ/Vw3LJr3PQ6S1BASoif4vY9KTC7s+40zRDJBk dPGuRkY5MfUu1l6nsS7G5S636ofcj9jD198RKL9QROk8wdO/9Fp9byBRENTstrbc T/ZShG8DVfNigMK2ZASRCt/f0PH6ivSOopn0lAOSFMp1S5JzROxZdEA6PVbJsA0Q /M84gRW4Q8LPeOKNi9gp+fjhSSncgEChOKe0tC+Mcu86WWFmQN53IrPE6lhN9FpN JmPhDC+JaZ6xwAcJJbZoIfo0WRTIiaISlCrIYtjZ4aol8tGRgwIZ/n9Fo71V2kok zWEWC9zQa8rDNqoaQCgzTAJl68Iv1SfACPXPZtBgDY9pqtdBdRvlvVI3n69xKj+S lq+aKitZwjEeCf748+dO =s3+I -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Blockchain Revolution | Social network | Decentralized web | Smart Contracts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/09/2015 12:32 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi hellekin,In which file are you seeing that flag? File? I provided a link. I'm not sure what you're talking about. In general I do agree that it is _imperative_ to get the economics and politics exactly right before releasing. This is not what I meant either. I'm waiting for Vrontis' response. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVxtWzXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9n+0P/iIk5eD41KONGIsG5NZom3OZ xGGdVmu2EtayYhSY+B6lTIx/EUmdEssBApSrJtDWn+T3n/fnwvcuSrjvkK7QmVaO 1cvpIgyQF3/59GWT14Fl2ATIeqcDHJaBPy8ZVcdB+XbfFnlW/jvfshiHrvIudrua 2ly0mTPCyVlX2Si2u4ksZCBOrAMvvpVfoQ+diLw48df2n54g1GvwinMA7Pblfwv0 ZPIydxpIqi34tGzxfU3guzHIQLNRUaIv5zSD61KduTIFm5/9dn6OQYb4VjKIUfWI OnuqJVvVehRwDBTbCvJa8SR1UUsyk5SkacpKYtB3lq9D9zElNFwkt2QqJJ4te2Wl nbD2QjQzcBfLDITKZJ/v7CHAkC27eEL5igskLec5f2sBfAH2kKisqw2mkbWRjLHx iuPRjPEwGNDma799eg8c2923OriRAR5+rjFjCVR6SL9Hz0gLZNZjmhG4oo+6Qhbj R7GWf6bRGk7BhArMbMK87ReeYrqaoA6/x+Svtin2CDGVPOoRnshHIODQoMtpiZ+H 8sGqMVOlVqlP0nSQbBrnZLAQD8/qrrdC/s1kaNqJipHBOx5Fp+aDRjRIL8cOR0X/ QpXqn4okXPx2jq+5lCUlqWIB5nyIA3diDafuLOnsIjzTBmjZybZroEfCSAmuNc+3 IV3VXuG3AiOpBgtJsJo1 =/huv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/04/2015 03:30 PM, Heather Akers-Healy wrote: Facebook has 1.19 billion monthly active users, making it the largest community on Earth. Activists will need to use it *** I'm sorry but I think the opposite: first Facebook is not a community but a large collection of people, unless you consider a community as a dead society: one that cannot evolve on its own; second, matching online persona with govern-mental ID is Facebook's business: this is how they're valued so much--and that's an anti-privacy feature; third, if activists would be serious about preserving their privacy, they would support the activists making privacy-by-design online social software instead of begging a private surveillance company to help them. When activists prefer accepting privacy policies that denies them their privacy, to supporting decentralized and distributed alternatives to Facebook, they should be conscious of the consequences of their choice: unfortunately this seems to be happening in tragic circumstances . Now that your network has been compromised, Inna, you can only trust that your ID won't fall into the hands of your opponents when you transmit it to Facebook, or that Facebook will make an exception for you, which would jeopardize their future claim for Real Names. By accepting their conditions, you accepted to relinquish your privacy, and the privacy of all the people in contact with you. No matter what privacy activists do, people prefer easy to prudent. That's what happens . Steve Weis' response, if he's really working at Facebook, demonstrates the inanity of Facebook to support activism: the mail should have come from a Facebook domain, be signed with a PGP key, and not ask for a membership card. This person, besides its alleged good intention, has no clue what he's talking about. In your situation Inna, I would send a private message to known Facebook employees working in the security department using encrypted messages. If you can prove to them that you own the account, it should work, bypassing the stupid company policy: that would be an acceptable way for Facebook to have it without making official statements about contradicting their own reason of being. Whatever lawsuit you're thinking about (please be my guest), it won't solve your current issue fast enough for your immediate need. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVmVtVXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9KL4QALV90EVCHdKJ2d8o/hndFHCM NxwiJgA3G4dUtCuLGJ0RZcXwGlnkqo9BSNjuuLN9jaq09XaVS8YLXBJ9GQBCqs+i gDphg39Y+75orl2dTtWjBJJwabQ1ZHoWadOCbewsFfT+vfJ1/IW6CxlE6WMTqlGR WbhpkVAQOBtyBac5aV1Ig0cVHZy9Gr4f1axrLrEdEYI7xGupWdg/0gbr6svAJV0X LqnDiHytPvsblWDLknWSzxYtrzS0exSB5hWcKTav5VLLqt7ie0JH3wzRv+92wWvb yZOL4hXP6jbzMoloPeGK76mvskuwdhU3+9qEjginWu4Fk/JMefIqutGYyLPXV/rg 94mNX2iIfJ2kzdKVgY2g2iXwnaljVkeWJfVDn9prt4o0ztI2HmhGi8SktYicqw7q S4o8NOvtKSlFDC7hqfMptNjH6YBS6bdTOBk+aG+NmfW46S46fhhkOFVa2+5w2sxb 88zUJDzNllaO+8LSK5CUSTrNJELWWatU48VOijB01SZqH7MEZkBLAnztr8QHt9B0 3xccJnqXqCyAOgH4FHV5xL+C8/Mg9nzRfP5Sy9ZHt8QSvB+6iSGCA2PtxU7NBOsG j+LP20xs+Sros0Xirh91ZnECcjnBkKQFxqxILPPhrWsLYn2kEhy9YLyHRMMFNWWP IAIWSS72uFYq4CfkZwhR =PdZ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Ghostery, NoScript.. add-ons frequently phone home
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/25/2015 08:13 PM, Al Billings wrote: What is the Richard Stallman and FSF approved browser? *** For FSF, that would be rebranded firefox (iceape), and qupzilla. For rms, I guess wget, or Emacs-w3m :) == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVPCReXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9oF0P/iwijayDqR9ioOXdpVHpcbI1 rl96gc5M/0pVJRvuElY1CrwzAKQc8GhZLT5rQ0polLNwNdPyR82f0c/x/+atTlKs kGTzp1Pkz44N4oNMbBer08NXJ1mpYAmu4k9YITbcw3pVr1fe2/VY1Ni3gUG0miBp 2XDo/Wp5DsLxartOgTYDor+g99rAVFFZ1cuHyyU/FC0Y8Bn69U4M+MkEDWEZy/3g V+V1JlqZ1+gFyQsD/wFXaptaDze4dod46WrYJJpDdRdi8vzoyVijt1n63bnumT12 ObSfaM/JbauBWHxXcROVQ8r4YhZtzQsBJfqI4pdm3J5YzCS59VQpu6YhRc5+tBBU HBzhcszB7vNLU3pEmK7PPNlpb2Sugey2U2aPgxwGJ2Ix8EdAAq7bDPb4mfrcD4Xh YUoz3ga7F015TrDvT6lmUuoeh0tKbwkirW2v/tpzRAwLuoZKa8kzG4jjQByJSZkf tc7+yM4Wm4/0nhgo42pisjzlEzqjW8DKJWco0ayK+LmQpDZGZ/TriYLW2yXeKKc6 zdwFwg+Y+nQ402GXnNAdnYLNFv5cg1dHi1QElnzZbL0LrlYfmquMmmRGQd9+cBZM qihoRfsO2gobZuiRYzbcru64J9Qm2fKGk32QRZsEhd2bVEt707sBzl8mUKdGNG+Z 9K18o9lfEYmHX9y4LAYv =gB5K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] China's Great Cannon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/10/2015 08:28 AM, Ronald Deibert wrote: The repurposing of the devices of unwitting users in foreign jurisdictions for covert attacks in the interests of one country's national priorities is a dangerous precedent -- contrary to international norms and in violation of widespread domestic laws prohibiting the unauthorized use of computing and networked systems. *** How exactly is that a precedent? Isn't it leveling with common usage of the Western secret services? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVLSd2XxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9Jm8P/2job01MSYMZF+TBbfxRmQRU 5d3jIgcwVIoRy2H4TBR3kSc9wji3np7PDyGyOc3ECQ2ghxfXlf6LLrdRL7kYexey C9U+ZsZGqFFjKnQkcOD8idYcArBetOpWxiAH5JpK/ZaPpKddAJH0uitJ+46+Dwz8 UK9e/6nUPte+dpzPP9+97x5zlE9mhTGBDFl6L8Y00KzJ8yAU1clVYOIsHeZJmzX7 ycQRei87uKiSSewGQlH5/eXjRXLLElnwC7pBOCe+wrR0+b/K3PbNcQciXT/YxN0c pGK5ds6Z5GiCGcmB72AAszr/fZ1Y1tjwnCVrkCJOJ/9Zoi45nENAh8l3MMdGmb4+ jPnSl9YLFeGSbjXvw0+vzO+HtkMnzfI2MmGU5OauZX751FRcw+C1B6ha/Ct6jpnD 0C371NQiNnVuyY+4TXbvsYMIWuZsMWXg1lJ5SCeZ76cmg+gySPE2zw6SsxhNLD6J 71yFRWWI27cTw69Cuf/K3F7Lo6Va53BL+V+hmZLAnGe2oRnPJPhDdNPWwQu7m9aH 0K7UNguNJHEz3ynEUpw1AYsHjMS7JrqPqnCcMRBEMAbwryY4Kp0jWhotV1mlaNxO IXWtPsTf45B0NuRys1cl/KG2qbEWtejx+EUYlg6gxLwSZubq2y9syfFVPBOgHw6N m5Dd0PBI6ck2VJliGLaH =RzLK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] secure voice options for china?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/12/2015 01:45 PM, Tim Libert wrote: to have a secure voice conversation with persons located in mainland china *** Here is something I'm looking at: Tox (https://tox.im/) The project is APLHA software aiming at replacing Skype. It probably has its burden of bugs and certainly lacks proper security at this point. It would certainly benefit from scrutiny. On the crypto side, they chose NaCL, not a bad choice. ;o) It also support going through Tor. The functionality is awesome, especially considering its *alpha* status (I repeat to insist on the fact that it's a potential solution, and probably one that needs to be audited, because as people discover it, they tend to use it). It provides voice, video (including desktop view), file sharing, chat with UTF-8 support. It runs from the terminal with Toxic, or in GUI with qTox and uTox, on GNU/Linux 32 and 64 bit, Android, Windows, and MacOSX. The Windows port is more alpha than the *nix ports. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJU32HWXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9wFoQALnxMbnXGJAHOqxFEDDskmeN ziZGGvLA0EOYx6J0+4jhOpgNE3uedFWv3DuBdPd9f+DHjY0BWb5f4ND4/ajZdMnj 20IF2qOJgZRccGQ/1LFifZ6dp6ijo/+iPMHmbj9lQcG5Y4UITUytBrQfjToZyZqc s4XSK1/FkoQ+C4aH/aWgeTBL3/yLPSDPcutUvcfqzgLj661yH5gHcL2F7FCXTt/t YpsRffUcoOsBVLfLNkMQDpEe9d9nKeLufNvhPHnvExEdJ5VW3Rn+D6jFRNFB3ek4 6XgvLQgQsj67a28U2nWTvXVPxpNhT+TD/u+d12amBpzS9nne9M40ye5R1Rup/Dn4 GprGdHi6pj5fTU0rVk3vt6iNTVZtmfpq/h+09rIDnxy9dZwmQ2SsIf9WHFFY+1yC 0YVMAdhAmKIY8nkCLaCsx0KMYA3yg5QNq8FIGROVxIajXdu9SSkbeGMJudrBfGcq pKFlzyqcVpQ9bobvt+Rd90hnEuKIB5T+dE1YSTafw8sitOebyFvG08skbAwW3v4V pmgEk6MLiB7KYhkjWgne36RkooADVYKOTy/ZCdktMdXx6bzzs/h4swotC5B0t/42 s2RZKUvylwXReuE6+L76oYrfx1Np6onXbR105fd2v5dWrHBuy/GVR8a2mmV4zpA8 SSrQcYi4a4qWA6WJaAa/ =H7be -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] #BioCitationNeeded Contribs are welcome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/06/2015 02:10 PM, Uncle Zzzen wrote: with spins insinuating that there are compulsory national biometric databases in most of the civilized world. *** Terrorism, shootings, and bombings are on the rise in most of the civilized world. Does that preclude their desirability? No, but unlike biometric databases - one could perhaps say we're not worse than other countries and be right ;) *** Argh! :) == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJU1Q8UXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9faYP/2rKjjF3ROdpjilyqlAkm9D4 WngBdVEtcQtFWd26QgRgKG3lmaVy8kUCq98gTqfwIxf8rrJ02d54tUHxSIJIOyJ6 Xwcm22DdGN5nSbZAV6kQ/m3DcGYEX30ZS2KOEFNme5tSNEOOGgmV+GdP5JmTWWCQ fd+vs5fTv3RS2+MRXJ1Sbf6f0RHqvbi/gTVR1QqwiIVf8Gpmy9N71amsSv6bqSgf j5GahmHdq16XxsKiw38X6hAAalUfV49slgv3DV9AGVzMUb7R4itPLwOwjoAGJmsR Ek/6eocPspofOwRWb/lMm8JRQJoonno3cnxz32MBNdF/j5s7rwz47NDzVWT79Wp9 AwYTQgbqeYG403jiI6XJV5TnsaM3bRzTPvaepDqXcBSKWdYnkQi8zdmIWjo7Tdxn cJ5yZfOZGnX23DmklRSrNnq7dwluW7zV5fSz9D8MlxWlouXIbdgV2K73hl3PkVYc QEcnaj+Yw+xPIaXPwrmNrVbHVYt1sKZvl+IX7YODLoHWk4TmpwCXtuMj7y9lmisi taUah39tzB25RMRlOeHC/FQ2SQBKVOHItvVxWiC6LCPGnpUfmWAlGw6MUtilgnJS 2mNpSKXwEIItIvonBnYUWoD4cu2ZG90SsC1EJ70Ra7qqHQmYkRy0xNu93hfcHCNA 7Qzt9o/CPoxync1gzEKx =O8Th -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] #BioCitationNeeded Contribs are welcome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/06/2015 09:44 AM, Uncle Zzzen wrote: Israeli no2bio http://english.no2bio.org activists often have to deal with spins insinuating that there are compulsory national biometric databases in most of the civilized world. *** Terrorism, shootings, and bombings are on the rise in most of the civilized world. Does that preclude their desirability? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJU1MXsXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9UggQAKrxUisYbgpRuEkH148XPILV qfDFkDPObyYaeX7Xm69yAHLHBnvqOig+UQJ42bGxaAbWTUZqRDmp6sa+JTJS/lNN KldrtA68aCpb3X0Gdbn6xBkf1+qtt9jZO/kDgMZsirgXaTXZRSuwscazF6WhYagd cN2A6CMXNF5tp2KeN+T7fHqqm5w29g/JZG7AxDUoZwA0qsPPg+4YEEzHkm9RyR0z OkEda9/ABYItQ5qfTVPV5pesewWoSyGfQ0kN1R9/xx13uiFCJ0BF43z/5ppGsdBL xup3oyG3gc1Ps/h7hPgetQ4i18fLUE286rcThPxy0u25fdoTJqzWgAQZ+ezrh8+5 fmzpZ9KWo8XJZhpHfS4/jGSxyhd1WSOISbd1SXobVMllYzPbTybHz/+VzIZfgysh J0qXRs8ElOjrGOgHtXxpyYvp1z2NNDUCIP1WYZ8k+S1B/AhmqEwlkOcmLWFDaItH HzGmmNS3FwnK7vTUb+A7Oof0Rm0WHsX9Bah8Oo9clfvYcc0C1hdcOxUyFoNW6xVR WczGyl6D/b7v9Lx9BFx+wa7fmI8DPp4HaNXSHsPCRF16D+8CBvFl1MGocKaV1AZm oVJWwbiaKq3wizw61Y8ZyZYWeKcQJBunJlVoeHBeQaGyUCLJRoxtC9b71NpSZ61C KUmnQLlxGmpFUvP0je/6 =Hyoa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] The Future of Security Journalism
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/30/2015 08:03 AM, coderman wrote: your threat model is: securing yourself and your sources against nation state dragnet and targeted attacks, including tailored access and special collection. *** Unfortunately the problem goes further than that. The recent murder of Charlie Hebdo staff generated a government frenzy that triggered censorship at levels rarely attained in France. People get arrested for using sarcasm, and that is deemed apology of terrorism. There are numerous instances of artwork, notably cinema or literature that would now be considered apology of terrorism under such criteria. (in NYC, emojis showing a cop and two guns got a teenager arrested for the same reason, and facing 7 years in jail.) Recently, armed rebellion in Paraguay kidnapped two German people in an attempt to draw attention to the situation there: the elected democracy was overthrown in the general indifference by a CIA-sponsored coup two years ago. Since then, the country has been in the hands of US corporations, CIA and FBI, and that has moved cocaine production towards Argentina, although the industrial scale Marijuana production of mediocre quality or the counterfeit industry were not affected, interestingly. Mentioning all this can now be considered apology of terrorism. Recently the power in Turkey was announcing the fall of Kobane, an enclave of resistance to ISIS, which also happens to be organized democratically without a centralized State, and supported by an organization that is considered terrorist by the Turkish government. Everywhere the war on terrorism is creating terrorists whenever authoritarian governments and corporations need to crush the resistance to their progress. The same powers that claim to be upholding the Rule of Law systematically break it whenever they like in order to advance their agenda, including using secret trade treaties to remove the barrier of national law to private corporations, granting them the power to ignore, influence, or destroy national law when they want to plunder a country. To me it seems that the threat model is a bit harder than just securing yourself and your sources against surveillance: corporate-states beyond nation-states are--have been--removing self-determination of people and deem it terrorism, and the freedoms, rights, and responsibilities of individuals and communities around the world. This situation is far worse than anything we've seen before for its global scale and the inevitability of running into its consequences. In the light of this analysis, security is a bit understated and vague, don't you think? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUy5+aXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9FWcQAKOtm3D8Kgr03B/TlOdnNlHX EL8S4yuJmGYImS9sBO2daqfzeG8PxV4eDkArq0YwbdsyyPqte6R9fmyus4uCpxGu KVyTv/6/pAbyNrAMZlYbLqpX7KEQp9ejTP0w9POZOYcdnC4z14Wl0zwBwfGayCev DLPN2mbUNKh5r2cS0KrNog1mm6uxpkzPcKPr21zn+SviDxl0GvmvU6YZpMRukBuU YbSjjjWHurGgxppWLsfz/c2dZHBu1K8QkTN7pjsiMjIQ2Z7ecjbxIJ+Yw/Xp5Vlp x90MPjncxx3zLTzzeovZk7WywHXUg5oCc7P4PfjVv1/eHFvBgNO3+T3tANcUfnIR MUCSgf2snMEz5Ghg4lWQ/a6WhaKsZPwTNEW56EWH0D9pvGBHpdjbgPUUR3x2BRDK g7eOb116p+LyjZPW65RmXxRpW/HJ6xkkCnoh4r4gO811wM2E2QxOMSxo5o1DNKpa vE/R1ooZoPAtXHI6mu1HwqFLVdoBQmE7Dm89UNDtXWPd2D1lEPWcOzPxxxuXjyZH 75KqMGEHUSSxvVkZD9CAYhobyauuEgjMFz56S5/5sP5o4hD/X/WLsbjdOjlUnVpw K3SAYB9Ye7bA+t4VopsEYQSvrOlxBPv8v9hDjW5x+043RwB1RxrG9avCSBXQUl9T PXhzS0Y/HGSfwEqv0Wo2 =0ULX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Open Source Videoconference platform
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/18/2015 11:16 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Is there such a thing? Reliable? Skype sucks, and it is a Microsoft product now (too flickery, etc.), and I don't know of others.. *** Tox (https://tox.im/) is a promising alternative to Jitsi and XMPP/SIP. It specifically aims at replacing Skype. Still early, but already impressive. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUvFuLXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9ffMP/03IbC3mW9nTIG73Mu9ev72S WJnDRNTLCu/T+MJFNkRRYyIbXMAROwFJD3PVziWEyMoo+JcGbgFr1/U/CeLedMLg s1ATThHgydNvZAn5KfC3xalTnQN/r8RQ8hYsZ/o5d5l3HC7LVqvZoNHme1ZHiuNB V3Y2ZAopGIYGQDqGEk2kIjqrx+S/IQInV+2d0WuHrq6K6dk2gA7/FVzfu+S16FV3 SCBc8hRcjXfcJPe1nnZOffWlHeVVOiBMVAHVQ/7aZINIuJuBzjRZk/aP4eu88VdU d5e6PUi+ZsQz/Okk+Ky970kAshXCKrQ6Aq8YMWIAh13qHTRJtfQxaFLkprKAzl9d teSvorbaCU/uUo1FE3K7Fh8BUxmDFwM8ETQ3GoGzN61hc+866EzGXGpowFFlP8gF /sc9ZgmZv7FGNm+fm2jdv/wvYqUyGOEVnHq/Vb7URe5niYGicy9QIrKZkVS4N/Rz 6VhFV8BxC8py0DY1PeuxjARbmmqdRi0VOQrgObp47lmCrGK7eIN4ccBFDb2f3KD5 jBz++TtuZ3USfYUKGGxdsmPOgA+ofIcXILj0A0kSaoDNTIhnxkSc4oGokDrgVKex dVCCAhD6jz36s3R02W/NNX/iEO+OPpIvvAnl+T1BK5ptYwt2iMKDCb/o7HGFp3SI rdhxu3nYABtKczqK/BbX =CdRH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/16/2015 03:19 PM, Al Billings wrote: The problem is that I am a practical person who lives in the real world. *** The real world is something that belongs to the Past, before the discovery of the Quantum, Max Planck's Constant, and the Principle of Uncertainty of Heisenberg. Your religious belief has nothing to do with reality. Before the car was invented there were people who believed the human body would not resist speeding at 40 mph. Before the plane was invented, there were people who said flying was reserved to things lighter-than-air. Your real world argument belongs to that category of thought, that dismisses reality for the (bad) current state of affairs. According to that logic, Mozilla should implement DRM and provide backdoors to the NSA, because that's what those people are doing in the real world, and heck, why would you change it? You're rationalizing your position instead of being rational about it. Yes people should throw away their Apple and Microsoft, and yes they should abandon the idea that global surveillance is acceptable and that security is made by corporations with trade secrets and non-disclosure agreements, and yes they should throw away their cars powered with inefficient fossil fuel engines. That's impractical, but nonetheless true and necessary. In science it often happens that scientists say, “You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,” and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. -- Carl Sagan == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUuhaNXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9iBcP/iFOWSlqbNAH8d3Us27FzihX d6hGj/flrXYR+yE1pEhArgawCjnseGX1nbBgF54l9hbXc8sap4T92BUAp9Cv9egi plY348KJQYP9TZhVamXnJXK/qIqo0Shqd3ZV1yfdI3krnOeykihKbTrHZh8ckaiQ M1wcU5ld52lQ7lYmjzF6GZJc0JH/Br3vHrYmODaQVPEU1wZguGRuo1o7LA0yGbmM aJJDqE7EMGYj+X1N5h40d0BSipaB4VFOttDmQpUbNyJD86PsJgZBA/q4emMLQwMt R+ySs0hleb8CKzGQ7jbHtcTOTi8n7WBUMUqq0W21Mp4hN32Tg+VRAZHAGzBJX4m/ C1pZif1fVLIqXaUzNXv7KFU1/KsA7QjhO9XIau6U1BspiHE2+yuNcs+czmEA7+WI 1xFQrBtRFxng9XrBgfK5qqGSxcHY6SfIGui6ypIFR2je/Y2hU7YcHjEHuTvxfYAO fRUzi+gvnKgUr8LgJG4g8UT3ytTxwiJ5VHdPsZnMszO5FGXAQ8jD4Sxf8KCQIxn6 w8Kek3IXD64zoFFFKB1u27Bl5uIL3RsHLPux3gFQhhSW5cFpsJ0VR8zHq+IdY+KH OV13BntYNsp7iRWolaxgfbvwdUvtoTlGKBbXyaRkgSUQVoIb74m0NMQXHa5iEilD V7dlCPBRblWArR2cOsEk =wpeh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] What happened to Prism? (was Re: Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/17/2015 08:08 AM, Aymeric Vitte wrote: But you still need to trust: the browsers, the OS, the hw... which is quite a lot... *** The browser is problematic with javascript because of the global context. I wonder why the Mozilla Prism project was abandoned. I allowed to isolate a single site or application, and that certainly sounds a lot saner than running the whole world in the same place. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUumpHXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9xr4P/iRtUBcbgVjlRnzN+DZobTmf nd8ZoWEmKGJZ0hvbF48t/TtQ3LuRr5ml1KbkH4sTBd/6C43QgOZ/OnfSoX+7wQDS 63lkdKp0EUZ8F7Hcg8nC4I53Nd22Xrq8ang/oU6osi6VSEZl6978YxpLYuMJWvV6 foZH10/wgVnd9oldX8MgKEB1X9XFfgvMDHpzFvBdb1+gJiu4rKLqq8COYaDfmf/F 1FcPfRMI1QdcCN4VaLfirajWf9WXLx07+syWdVzr783HOUCRGWuz/QStgg/LPA+i hNJojzuCgL2Ypvw4+5ORADItEwwGdkz5Ma2rtiQac5Wm/Fo7t48lMXhSQWj/RZdm YNcl0E62u4u5mYuvzCWj4Kvv8z7bFdK+leJ8ns7cyvIAMhiTbLctMGWffDgA3T0T sD3+Vie6av1CZ8f9MVHAohaXAQWTHvP7GftuQdlKeSIz2sKgi1af2JhkGKVrbrHD LOn/67VkaR7nnuYXGhhGHCGneY01s0tPeJNi4WdgOIpTaJVWu1/S6GbcGA2z3Nxl jnaBCugA+5tVnNzqHwqk2JdIvhzLgqkYLC0JXaL4pygE0Of6VrrLt1wqpHh7hmeJ PHb/a8L5NTsyKEa+cQ7QAnGAhBKb1QcpXpO2KtL6RLHw3/GvRqLqW/r9dnEhRh60 /qBPdYFBNaudI8ShkVN+ =nm/b -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/17/2015 02:24 PM, Matt Johnson wrote: Hi, Why would anyone bother to change your Twitter image? What do they gain from that? *** Confusion, diversion of attention. That's enough. If one spends 5 seconds doing it and 3 spend 5 minutes chatting about it, that's already valuable, isn't it? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUurIZXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9JVsP/i8iu2JhFqpJKE16BgSCEJN0 Tu8F2WGpbWlKLrZ1wK4E8xXKvWU3QwA1iCog3njP/5Z7O4ZE09/fceB68Q0U0R2s LRH13ZgtElfCuFqmX079Uw4WHXbh/E/jHkEu/6AAL88LEHat//jAuobJEYECAJJd fBExjBgdGErFhB/8FJ2be8eJELWLxDS3hitwm2pRw5lP8Ex5gMuINKQRfFvfoXW0 4YI7KMVLzgyXb7UPnEHCvq6TXGl3OitM5BXE1ytwOU1IWxAKekhIxZUXPNlDp3mh nv0lcykf/XIdaoDlqaDVZcliXNwjHIGolFSyD59uxPz1mecLViXZiOZlU7gwiaHt 0Lj/3r3GxbitAiZKorDdeh9lH2Rmcpekm9lokHR6Q4wgh+HKfV+UMP1rqdnQoCag ChtPYvd6JwhnJbkgdNfvQVs0e8wxU36aYeakyjuQD1MSLqB+GlbTt/Sa0yCY0sTf 94iVRhw9U85fpp5/+wbSXaCxP4552FGnsEJy8C7+KKidFutaJlTqxsxt76LWkUZv y3R9yImoSUpAdx2OA8Qu2+aTCFxGBjGtcLRAA07gasZcndfb6sJtUgEa7mAoOyyb m24j463B351MoVyCfiJ+SA9ffjizwULCnq7Xkb77y/tct4sG0rmrgvd7PcKpJLqe yvgwqzpRKLuNAVrysu5a =uNll -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Why are we leaving mesh networking to FireChat?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Al, you keep attacking people and mixing topics. Yet, as you mentioned, you've been working for a prominent open source project for seven years. Can you tell us about the incentives of adding built-in DRM support into Firefox, use Google Search instead of say, DuckDuckGo as the default search engine, or favor Facebook as the prime partner for the Social API? Let me guess, ethics? Oh, no, am I distracted! Money! Surely there's no money to include native support for Tor--oh yes, actually there is, and it's coming, right? So... Maybe things are a bit more complex that you keep describing them. For some years the people with ethics and no money have been trying hard to counter the deluge of sponsoring of the surveillance and control machine over networked computing. We're probably not very good at marketing, but I think we're getting better, and thanks to the Snowden Apocalypse people actually start listening, and there are plans to ramp up funding. I'm very glad people like lynX keep kicking the anthill of accepted status quo, simply because the dominant system is so simple: if it works, it's because it's good (thanks to IBM FUD and decades of consistent Microsoft and Apple /innervation/ in software). Yet somehow, someday, people wake up and realize that countless billions of tax dollars went into such things as setting up global surveillance and thwarting cryptography on a planetary scale. Still you have the balls to come and say that the free software and P2P people are a bunch of nuts. Well, let me remind you that dominant technology is not necessarily the best technology. Check your history, sir. Now yes, there's a problem for P2P to get support. I mean, strong, dedicated, long term support to make it happen. Why is that? Because there are billion dollar industries that will simply vanish, unable to keep with autonomous people. That's a certainty. Other billion dollar industries will appear, but they would not be in the hands of a few rich industrialists, because they would be so diffuse and local and based on affinity and peer interdependence rather than some monstrous propaganda machines. The P2P era is coming anyway. Drying its financial source only makes it slower to come, and hopefully it will happen globally before our civilization's collapse, which is getting more unlikely as global issues are not being addressed and situations like the shooting of a journal's entire redaction team bubbles up into a pro-surveillance, anti-terrorist, hypocrite support system for the anti-muslim tension that allows the power that be to keep spoon-feeding clash of civilization bullshit to hypnotized populations, while the lobbying-legislative war machine is rolling up its guillotine law across oceans (TPP, TTIP, TAFTA, CISPA, CISA, LALALA, PIPPIP...). So yes, you're welcome to dismiss criticism as lunacy or critics as pedantic arrogant people. Be my guest. Just don't spit on any plugged-in electronics, you might hurt somebody. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUus3vXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9GJ0QAIYli282o/ov6b/KVyUz8gkV mh7Q8ldxzidn4mPSKuPjgQHarDullNgtmj7vX9eivaJYlg8EdCeN68YEITMjcIyh BXTYh63TgR7P1FdPJQeuYyEJSOmHRFyYuoXHQf6+SREa6ZVbAJxzoXTAs6SmD9Cf RSf1PsmbdmZvTo+/BKeeVw2LPmAYuTSulUeKaw7bQur18Mg4khvviaoQK1AkKmnn qTa5fxJ5jnx0CREzS49QDGkh3+ANiYucmahxTPB5QU9MOKdUQ60oU2CpABSH6UiZ //jOaCpntQ4Cqalf8D1UGPR9PNnF+EFyl4xAPfUA25l+oRi5caogPsgAelxzA0Z5 MWUX+Dacw+yHLeS6sohvhFNMMTZOSKXI0hIQBFPNLkExqmj49Zf4o8yfeeiBPMdN e34o0PsQWmhQnH1UGhitnNcWX+7oDWDK9D2IfqJ1C+7YbTaoZKEmn+NRpMQr44RX ZyAWNtVs+aVsoj9yMc8oPL6RTBWaUq6LvsXIEiw9XuvfxEbTZqIhY6jybZ90XbPN THKNvlz9DRncmuVzUXXDusKcMFYM8aQQEdnXXc8bz1lqAwxXqvqhdB1CVHH6oAt0 B1e5exjA8TigHKSILu4z6fu3ATKmsgSntewA+v00t4jo0+QLMTRm6MoTlxONl9TO 36QF3srlvlh8Bd/mCPEi =bEPf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] What happened to Prism? (was Re: Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/17/2015 04:39 PM, Al Billings wrote: On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:57 AM, hellekin helle...@gnu.org wrote: I wonder why the Mozilla Prism project was abandoned. I’m pretty sure it was because a single person worked on it and there was not a lot of impetus to continue. Anyone here could pick it up again since it is an open source project... *** Yet there's not much interest either in the Mozilla Foundation, otherwise it wouldn't have been abandoned. Am I the only one who kind of misses it, or did I miss some important drawback that would explain why having a specific process run to a specific site in full-screen a bad idea? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUus6+XxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9RyUP/0oLcEQTbiDKCVmter7rnuBs GxAOZVvMWC1CydR7G8qlaF781Sfgaad56M63pA/ZNKwDOOJPtG1aqJHGEFtZHVvr C/R2nG/CO30/46nQOwOfvZYRGvoPAsJhqUFj4q+/qPIJG71iyiS1pchNNYSF6SO0 3enBKiKVexQ2qyXSs3L46I0s36DX11D3pAzyXbkWRKlnqqY5j7SahWXXSxPtPeKn x4PKlZYEieKVv3YPTk/+q0OrzSH4yP13KRBEf/OlgFHYuT1XckZrtNdupjQUXBIk dg5/zonInVkTczZ9MlwyPj4mVre0qhes+bf4hC1B9xx9DY8vTLEcV7o6T1TUKAgF dW7D0PnhxDMAKyzl0xuggPneXeagevLLM07y6abzFXaQiB2iZVkKvdVfDxZZdwa4 3DLZR6s/bVWLoA2E6w7hhF2OpxmhyhJfF8bEzDecxeJ+h2jGRgvCugxeMgjeUo22 v5bUAmRjfSr6VwXcAQMgkztauO85p0OGHtvNtwCdXZl9cQ0juaMfpcyfMgarU7qh 6U0+FB9LHKl6Ff1WpBJupnJUrgyuY/lioHUGrB1i4jiqqjJc/AXn1s91/vLkoshb VFAy4JMB4piW7njHSnygC+lymE/o5ap9LXQYMQlaK1CPR42ZFhb7UBGO1yrccsfH X5LuP2qBv8xg/tqWldUZ =T7mL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] What happened to Prism? (was Re: Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/17/2015 06:36 PM, Al Billings wrote: Certainly, no one would interfere, and some might even help, if you revived the Prism efforts. It is an open source project after all. *** I wouldn't mind either if someone would. I'm happy with Surf at the moment for that kind of usage. Thank you though for confirming it's simply a matter of workforce and interest. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUuuNAXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9bwgP/jp6vfzf6vsG2r86I6mjgsLk /cTuNJqQ9mhjpxnKnLqTVo/Q91JbeboxNz1cfK/VcLfoPdfZu4TkUgPyPw16g66H UUfrqf5bP/wWLnuFu76STP1pexvjvrJkGi7RTRVlY7dPka7GfpnF0IHtHXgkAzcB jzK5Gc4pBDB85vnfTuR4ne5wRqXRoK+JKqj4+0SD8ba69la1Ln7bxwKgnt67JSAl eb69UQA/nHm9Pp6PpQdqtDFGEFqtmEb70S85D9Zd6CpLXQmg9EhhJEzVAZQgNL8/ TBjmH4GaQJMWYucEccCmpoTqbbi/OvmyK5FXcOxNo8xippTUbfn1e77hxPwVZAWh YZX1UHsr8AVR4LosOUtaT6N5d17e8O1PxMtXLdpuh9H3CqcqIi1lX+83g0ag2b6Z aMRVXoAhcO4OD80SsqH+q5l9U8RUSSZxbxT6a4TVdHxc/MReLsYwEMANqoiaDUoH ytnGgaeMQueYiqWuF2VSBQMsNmx04EBj8iaVNtnVP7fsLbfjfsfTZ3QvLayJsp4S plFcLaFwDEDQ/MsnQI3CvJOXAWKyJGgVo+lEegvgf6A9DpeBOza5725CIYZmV4KX 6P0odZUUjrYlW9UJX6VDGcE932UYuqcWMT+RsZMyPAtdDNpWd8xZn6KPUeyvgjTf A3J0AIAjfFsCEXVFYcY7 =MEX5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/15/2015 09:07 PM, Al Billings wrote: You said that I was a “compatriot of that service” *** Oh, sorry, I thought you were an U.S. citizen. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUuagPXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9wwYP/29gXD1Ch0xF7XLonose0MYZ nRUgy/TiyM0USO5BjWzG+OoVx04rw9NEZ98ex3rDKSZynMLNMChmeTutlwJFMpkE Yiq5pD8GMZ+4p3xMa10u830aUxRYxFyaASPEdRF3aylVahC5DQAk87H0DgJfQ7y2 7424SJpXHxsDb+W5wvwe4Z+2YASd0B17Zp0GIV68w+6RBiFEwuW5TWq1ZULGxf01 HP/wPdtWEy0jH5ilbHna5bJBS7zdomiDZMcknVdQIPs5/aSJLhOrg+bu67+Gx6BA ETAgHQhylwaW3p2qdNCSgCqfe5gBvnW/rz0XIM5EH3tud1p4QQeHdsJtyto4fecM OuCF3tZq6p2+enpP1BKibvxX7PDeKZLiK9ZPe6OC+Eh+R3ZeDQ+01wLLqE06/Nx4 yXUkSpoqriqLJEfnX/zLmZ5cyuiQPDqWCsjWu4Mnd6Ss53KfH5w5HQkUiSSTLw7q ozH6U1SnrRFVi637Q2DUpqV2as8GfLp9IfGV8MjP2KOMs29acujOEhAXpyoMFOM6 h4ghKyz6lF5sbYymvYi+/3amKv1ut3KMyLV21/WxUCY5Xbp1QARzkR+Xvnc5f93z sVPyrfdrHzTpgGMDnf5vGNLv4dpgG5DTmA6z1GbAEHFMI5uz2E7P5lEGjzUjiYoi OeXn0I1zM7WKlGQ5njXz =orI+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/15/2015 02:35 PM, Al Billings wrote: Pull that tinfoil hat a little tighter. *** Aren't the Snowden leaks enough? What else do you need really? Then go visit the GNU.org section on Malware. Deflecting legitimate criticism with such a tongue-in-cheek comment is not going to change the fact that the USA have been led by tricksters doing whatever in their power to confuse their and other countries citizens in order to serve the short term and strategic interests of the military industrial complex, with impunity and a complete lack of touch with reality and ethics. If by now this is not clear to you, you're delusional or a part of that system. You can certainly criticize lynX's hard position if you like, but dismissing its criticism as lunatic is entirely on you. Frankly, having a security person from Mozilla do this is a bit staggering. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUuAchXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg910cQALR12wgEKiobl6tRir7agfyE PDLTn+7rUJiTOOcD45+QL+6zaz4+WiGffOebBk9eoYGcJK/gS6mTpgTWokZ/nIW9 BZynEasnKSCz1MiPiVnmH6R3Zkz7ECOeXKJt05YyGiQHsdw/metH4Iti9nBhzf0M L5L3+dlJo2KMCT3U+/+vNM/C4fGFy7Q1s+4sLE/5zoEHYNuugt+ROTyrQbuDGXLP CvGuKWoI0CjWn0g28QQ+lAvnFE4oXYY1ULLgOiSRGRawiT2rRpYDGxYKxbHk5Wq3 aAySlljlmCxCQxoOn5E3ZcY+g/IQiAgaI+l6MSiySr0taLhesDtYAinAFBaZch8T 1mJnVv7HbTkUHAehq2ClDOR5ixKDbYojJ3Fuc4+sk7kLwx09t4UkU/n8ShcI5ixV wueFIerfHDyKTA3Uwx9ITqtTkoRGab/hqifxxD+XcZ24wNY6p1s6LjmcqbnjBshk BIhOmPnEIba9AtLLzBE3gdoqlZVeY6v2OH4u80JL+mW+PlH2lN6/vcPTg4FzxCXj bYnYQx7Mrx1wWn9YZ8vlMimmgyKCsBah2Pqe/KrW6zQiyg1O6gHZx1RoMit2CBtR rUSHVYmriit+nppTY2ArDZSzkHYa8PnRwxYsJiEm0jHRBOaxzUdLvj8qufLXCGw7 /OIVM6SgCGj3t5fkCYk3 =rRWb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/15/2015 04:44 PM, Al Billings wrote: So, since you can’t trust any software (so you say) produced in the USA *** Not any software: non-free software, and software running on servers subjected to gag orders, as you well know for being a compatriot of the late Lavabit service. Since when the LiberationTech mailing list discusses non-free software? I thought software freedom and access to the source code was considered a requirement for considering a system secure. As you also well know, there's no way to either escape NSA's tentacles, nor leave the planet. When you're not subjected to forced silence by terrorist laws of the USA, you're subjected to illegal cracking of machines by the FVEY, as revealed by the FBI's right to consider any foreign system as a potential target. It's very damageable to think that because the reach of NSA and foes is unlimited, although illegal, we cannot criticize the claims to offer am allegedly secure solution to hundreds of millions of people by merging well-intended and paladin code of trusted people with an inherently insecure proprietary system. It's certainly better than nothing at all, but from this to uphold it as an acceptable solution is understating if not dismissing the need to provide technical solutions to effectively thwart global surveillance. Most people don't understand the extent of the compromise and will happily use whatever the experts say is good enough. There's a social responsibility of technicians towards we, the people, that cannot simply be dismissed as lunacy. I applaud what Moxie has been doing, as it provides better-than-nothing for an immediate need of many. But it's patching a sieve with tape: it will slow down the catastrophe but won't solve the bigger issue. And no, there's no nation on Earth that can solve that problem either: global surveillance knows no border, although legally it should. Global surveillance is totalitarianism justified by the conviction the watchers are the good guys defending our values; they decided unilaterally that because it's technically feasible, they can do it, regardless of the rule of Law and ethics. Therefore no technical solution alone can remove their power, but what serious technical solutions can do is to remove the support for such power: centralized services, reliance on servers and proprietary software. Cloud providers in the USA know very well the cost of NSA's abuse of power as foreigners prefer using cloud services outside of the Empire's jurisdiction. But that is not enough, as TPP, TTIP and other upcoming legislations crafted in secret by corporate U.S. and transnational interests of the Northern Hemisphere demonstrate, which are leading to, or more precisely aiming at removing national sovereignty everywhere. If we start taking a beaver's dam for a polder, we're not going anywhere. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUuEBOXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9K/4P/iHD+CfwIkq8sTBNVf0tS+gj uAYt5TmZ9jGy0HZ8uuuscUYKSegJpKVji7H/f5Jn9rloCFs7RwL0sq038z6I9nEP 3jDRznGMZL9gSdbu29it4J5wc1gPuyKuxUaIpSA9Qq25vDLyqgkiKkn6phwStwUp 9zbfzUy6rseL0kE5oknLPDmzU5iWs34g9uOJWTdrKNO8hKIAbFKmnB2VgAXCb/P+ 4ugXnWfcaA1eg+1UMmj5G6JmE/mzmsrtVuyovIpqyQX2pCp4aqm6H+1a6DObVu3S wctIon0HTj6axgFKDpbPUpWOAK44y2WTgDh4rE64A/XMWuq1PrmlgA5vUyOfO0bn BaNCSL9ou6/lpqUU/B7ETX3iQAxwGXDljDJ6nwi5NNa69e1YQGAGoVi7X9fQ0TnX MZ5LqL6ToX0euvhMizFAWGuTfBuz16o2DGz9HJQnoyYfPP/tW4O5Zxa2lMJ98xoJ slxbXm8ECKr8gzYx2tuiELazR+2OYn0wIXDKPJgMDzxGGU4+ps2HDP59bV10wBs+ V1jbdiHyfUg7KUovutXLrquwjh6tQEg4YJG7bKmKTGdA5WS93lSvGZTWQ6wsyHfP DJUqmR7UTj4juB446JOgy8sGdVeryDPSnhF66vXALYzxRMPKj9v72eenypxxr/AT FAlUUpvFCcCU/1jnMFU/ =ZFnB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] confused by the Sony hack
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/21/2014 03:33 PM, Erich M. wrote: a really powerful 0day warhead *** Oh no, more lemmings! I want a tee-shirt^W^Wboxer short with that printed on it. For a male friend. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUlx5YXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9C1oQAJ9FDJxodtEDJT1ycPNIts9x DEa8qjPskGKf8Y9V/0WzNDKsRUUGzLqkShd3MQp8tk3JiLFgHI6YSUAYs4e8p8Ow lCo/Er8gAonHkhDa3Kll87OmsDi26o4KWvw8YBLL7vbwkExD262w6iNbZOMkXyKZ DE7kuTYRFU4rM8Mbh5rPq9BRHeSVR6VV9Fgp4vP70kqvv1/QsNEavGnc51G8PWEl WuqXgC4/6rMF9IZI3QujUoCPcSfJOofXTQ1jx2+cjoL3nyFAml1fPraANAmDH7Og +PSDbHLfWtVfmcq6t3GVHI3fPn1QvRCAE/4PKMRakhmcPYfizDti1alq2gImgNF+ OAdb39eYr1v45WHBdSkhbzOAYVYkbtVUyPDehg/wk42x80LLyYX3DZijyu7xPSs2 yGK9Kux8vxtaJbc5RDZ+asT7wi5epC1FApp8eZ9Fpa05URSczvU3pnF/+yQkKbBI avvoYti9HSJyj7PaYWQX9adie80+rTu5HkTTYDdcP71wjYViUPTijbMP4uEN6+sW X2nudulS6mzTuEEuWpCmGifNUX1yejcMskBkeA+youkQSrOX+elsESExPvA9pQdw KTNO4bfIbFqw9EUv8zEgiFKd09CSShwlA7N6KTnuIB0LM6ttoapnJ9nN39K+GZFK gwGP9dVsb5BMsBI6JCZy =Eu3K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Seeking comments - [ALPHA] List of digital security list of services, tools and resources of interest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/27/2014 10:53 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YQFfwEypPsiIWbogosQslBlccYEgfr-mlDLHXPhMoRA/edit?usp=sharing *** Hello Robert, thank you for making this list. I think the notion of free/paid is not only useless, but nocive. It does not matter whether the system is available at a fee or not. What matters is that the source code is available for review or not. Another important matter is whether the system is proprietary or free software: in the former case, users are totally dependent on the trust of the proprietor of the software, and unable to detect or correct any flaws they might discover, nor to adapt the software to their own specific needs, nor to share that software, modified or not, with other people who might need it--including security fixes, and including for a fee. Therefore, I would change this column to Gratis/Paid to avoid any confusion, and move it to the end. In its place I would indicate whether it's free software (guarantees the four freedoms describes in the previous paragraph), open source (code is reviewable by the users and independent parties), or proprietary (code is not available, or only under NDA). In a post-Snowden world, not taking this into account amounts to fraud. Note that software freedom does not apply to services[0]. The Android system uses Linux as its kernel, so it is improper to say Android and Linux: you should use Android and GNU/Linux instead to differenciate the two[1]. Finally, I think you may contribute this (corrected) information to the Prism-Break project[2]. If you license it under free terms, then other people would be able to include it in their own derivative works. == hk [0] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html [1] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html [2] http://prism-break.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUdziIXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwAAoJENjnvYCUHIKTeIsQAI4DrAH+gP2zfRhtQQ8Fq+Jj Vd/I986dA8RfaKNYHpq0BOyYqjwFo/ISrJE01Em+Xs/SAbayqEenYayea8xbRzum tDFKs5/nt6SrAV3hdYPuZCH5SgvsU6MpqmjLlzsmH3F9HM/NPUN42FGfd5iD3PIm 9fdfjr1fvuOL4Jz+syLKosIUD0cPkPXapISQGQsl0y9/6Q5JmDwNUhWZvfPKRIvY bGM6ME70RUp95/8Eh9gJwxl2Z632Qsfo/uOBS1S0X7CjL9zixEy7L7JpUfVj/LVr 62fs+IoYtE/o4YeNkG8oOxCP2aOp17OeOYZ86DgjLtFLRZfTsCXKFa6o7oEAnilg CuquSBjhSUKURsCRzZqfW89ZFq9B6Ee0AheoDbmYXQv8WgsfWJBaj83uJZjEcXXT tB+12j06rdFGkqba3QNE/l8+Vx99fDV2MDPRBgG9MiVB5m59l31VcxKnok3RCyY2 F4dRpbniLNjpThf3F5y7DbB2tZLm+Gl8hwksOx7/aCvUjWgHwlqGazGT37n7RjxW u5ek8WvGS4KyzGxjYj7N2MSk9iH4mh5BTPbBqSO3hiYLqt1mpbwOpmDiEvccUGFr uSNhHPYWfhfVJ5bv90v45oltX+529GBcH1UbPimdO4JZ1ZjXVhD2U4k70G9JE4sL BQ3rkZjprC9DKDhdh0G4 =m7HX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Deep Web Intellectual Property Due Diligence
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/17/2014 08:15 PM, Lisa M. Brownlee wrote: I am writing to request your intelligence regarding Deep Web intellectual property due diligence *** Hi Lisa, you may want to avoid using the Deep Web term. It's not like it means anything but conveys some sort of Deep Water Horizon feeling, or Nemo if you're optimist. What, specifically, are the security issues associated with Deep Web “vanity” addresses (e.g. https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/ - with or without SSL cert; http://silkroad6ownowfk.onion/welcomeetc.). *** I think vanity addresses for onion sites, being easier to remember, can be harder to forge. I bet you typed the facebook one from memory. That's a very good point for them, because then facebookcarewwwi.onion might not trick you, if someone has the sheer luck of finding a private key for that one. So that may come as a positive security point. Nevertheless, silkroad* has had more variants, and less memorable than the exceptional facebook one, so unless you're very careful about the original address you've visited, you might be phished into visiting a fake onion site. TLS certificates should not be issued to non-DNS entities, such as onion services, because the client may verify the validity of that certificate by contacting one or more external URLs, especially URLs outside of the onion space, and that may lead to a breach of privacy, also because looking up the .onion in the DNS is not supposed to happen. So self-signed certificates add a layer of encryption on top of Tor's, but the recent official grant of a certificate to facebookcorewwwi.onion is actually a mistake, as TLS certificates belong to DNS, while .onion domains are not resolvable by DNS mechanisms. This has been a concern for a while, and some people are working on having this issue recognized by IETF and sanctioned by IANA to instruct ICANN to reserve the .onion pseudo-TLD out of the DNS TLDs. [0] What types of due diligence data can be found on the Deep Web (please provide specific .onion URLs) and what service do you use to access it (e.g. search engine, BrightPlanet, etc.) – regarding: *** I cannot answer that question. == hk [0] I-D. Special-Use Domain Names of Peer-to-Peer Systems, currently expired, latest draft at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names/, soon to be updated with new information relevant to the above-mentioned case. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUaox6XxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKT8QEP/i/D22vspCD33OjlcbQ0F6il n6RZIj5MFT3lcs0PM991apEb2Yw8GTV6BFEeZpE2/G/3sNrrCW7vvqcVlU0E3iDM DZsyylzdzF+3cq8yT/jLEyrWDJn9MhrxsxGMaXSMHxojPjoc3x4G8NXVmipDA+dp 6IiBIXoGOYUpZuKO62/BQ/ibIzuF2XqA0REPSsJ0BKfLDPsbVIDPS+IKd5JBMXhp EXAn2YF1HRySRmnoKJKYf/15yRGa7tS0PadGlDhKgR4Qh+6s25gT1Q5jB+5dJEUA BMX++xQFN81tyOIsjv7I+NfJKPW88IopOSYM6yzYTf6/s7YHCS5rGG2PbnU9VlyY 6+56KWMFAuBAAGSyhXZTPx0+RsTFKJe+zm+BJIpNd6fqdSFU+gzIwVr7nKUVjl+W 2eE1jl38OMWbCQSN9krqnoDmlXBsHcGX+JkX54jEFl+WqR2+qNypIS694Td+svmQ lEZS2jhqC5njfHI33/ZQ924xs++Y6TFBKYKFXGquoQSZW8C6eNnINftvvXoP/+Wk tMtiVgMpryeHmPj1EkL/3xsyZ1BGuGzdN2KMlAXrPvgfzlHLkuriUj+qQvqkmq// xRVaxBCH3JwURoO/1zkqMxPBlTEO/5JskUsKIi0OSi2Kyi93o0xpF/RSa0A50sFu ixR+ZHlVm3Snw+Q8tKdE =IxZS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Tech: Problem or Solution? (Saturday at Stanford at 7pm)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/14/2014 06:30 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: From: *Stanford Transhumanist Association* transhuman...@lists.stanford.edu mailto:transhuman...@lists.stanford.edu The Stanford Transhumanist Associationis excited to announce our first event of the year: Zoltan vs. Zerzan https://www.facebook.com/events/832564993462598/: Transhumanism and Primitivism. We’re hosting a debate between two individuals with radically different views about the future of humanity. Zoltan Istvan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoltan_Istvanis a futurist, journalist (HuffPo, Psychology Today), and bestselling author who writes about politics, atheism, and transhumanism. He strongly defends the view http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zoltan-istvan/some-futurists-arent-worried_b_4786325.htmlthat technology has the potential to fundamentally transform human existence in positive ways, such as the elimination of involuntary aging and disease. John Zerzan http://johnzerzan.net/articles/(class of ‘66) holds the opposite view: technology (and civilization) is to blame for all of humanity’s suffering. He gained prominence in 1995 as a confidant to the Unabomber http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/07/us/prominent-anarchist-finds-unsought-ally-in-serial-bomber.html, embracing his philosophy (but condemning his violent actions). He argues that we need to abandon our pursuit of technology and return to the positive principles found in primitive societies if we are ever to be satisfied and live in harmony. Join us this Saturday, November 15th at 7 PMin the Geology Corner Auditorium(320-105) to witness Zoltan and Zerzan debate the issues at the core of their disagreement. After the debate (around 8:15pm), you will have the chance to meet Zoltan and Zerzan, as well as the transhumanists and green anarcho-primitivists that inhabit Stanford. The authors will have signed copies of their books for sale. tl;dr debate re: tech vs. anti-tech saturday 11/15 @ 7pm Nanobots vs. Hunter-gatherers! Cyborgs vs. Dinosaurs! Zoltan vs. Zerzan! *** This is a stupid way to frame the debate. Technology is not about either you're with us or you're against us, that is a childish and imbecile statement. The problem of technology is framed in terms of availability of resources, feasability, desirability. I don't think people would like surgery to disappear. However, there's a lot of techonology that does not bring anything good to humanity or life on Earth. The extractivist model of governance is essentially destructive, and yet all modern technology heavily relies on it. That is the real debate to have: how to make technology that can allow 10-billion human population to thrive without destroying the balance that supports life in the biosphere. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUZ4hBXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKTIuYP/0/+H/SMVZcdTV6zeohzLjCG 9U3sSrpZ1hYiOrRhw1muK3nX6KU8oXgt9I7K/MPAfDihdhszFYLO0imrbvqUUmII e7Gdf87WWOokTwr4BRLnPJ0QNPgeBSy797oH6gkMMQrLASsVtYw6k5E/KvWvFYBE gwZsBKxI7cb3Ssn9O2wE7C7ennYOFZZVfNLh3nB+pVEbSotPmvvC168UUKyaxdO3 dp17qrdXJsx09LGWFr6xEh0AQdhlKpl0TCebS+RpVDHuFkPBWrvi1ocKBlVkK6hU qwm5CCY0z0uFPIZxKGz1nAvMefJfMWCCwnDJiU6TnaGB7oqhhv67skb6Es9RSwj0 X1PJyz8EmO6dztTQosR36Id8RLrZLbxELlL/GglSatHPCqcglXxG7bPq0moqqauK tcSoL3POgE0IooZHwIncfMYsuBoVTUKWjjOczhChEnWsCc/QVQVy7SbW/XwzO+yF jcJ7lrRF3suf8VF4qAwpPTKbRZIV4/tONtb5Yi7gFIWzqKhQtFZwwresTpfgbe8v SudX5E6SplCZogNQi04VO4QbL7e70wsgzVW8ohfQXQ8FHwZ4JTLwneZ9fdKQWjAM bT5dYkuGrw0Fz1TCfdV5o8X5hFFei1qDOf89Q2OaKTwrpBge2HcY9UCTComVRgvP DVXK+1hfo74DxGIimdl5 =jXxP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] investing in liberation tech
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/11/2014 09:00 AM, J.M. Porup wrote: If it helps, think of it as a Venn diagram. There is one set, that of profitable scalable innovation. There is another set, that of F/LOSS that give users digital freedom. Is there an intersection between these two sets? What will we find if look? *** Underpaid knowledge workers? How do you reconcile profit with decent work conditions? In a world where competition and cutting costs at any price are the norm to commit to growth, how do you make the switch? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUYhOZXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKTuvMQALDWdP0v0HvlW3tmSlQ1bCEA 70DwpUCwL5Ul8++XKLhAbAQff+oHPB8XNtUBM7WXA4pujPaQI0SIFAA2i6ZqbXPM CXOOccsAjVQ/ej0kOpwEVtpbP6NgRUc1e65xMpo6iTIVg3DDlYC2p5GMPqrU/Hjq eKaFPR73tb0j3psMXEmV6QOG8SM7PJRvBSm844g/9+EOqjVQ95DTOEHmxC3u+3DO CCtDhOGspaSMJA+qIRLM/9yzW4Lg4/+JZLa0RXw/LmJZlJEeHsv73NhT8aDZcQ5q KzrGXkxAUEJk19ME5uLOrR6R7Nsx5wUsZ5JRspjjAiqKi7MkYoBEIXcxgQXBfkHi 6cw4eD2afiRZ552K+7LRQmyS+BdGP6Q6AFMxK994stoebi537T5F0y3tcLCKnI5F Xv36i+UmP1SYLg/rGsK7wD0zsB9Hb5h1/UkNOKjp6Ca6KRW8IF798IdcKBHno8Ls BjC5XUUw2Ybk9wPZ4fDWglRCKL3ILUkwBvxKTeozP7b7UTH1fZYC83y14B4ZBGZm X+7VCGLAiDuRuVT3lhx43zZXBSnyxnaGUUHsdIfa1tYzD20PP9eu41R3Tok7vjt+ Bi6cTPADeJBsbFfuazNqeSLIbycoqhF4Li5nbLoYYyAB0kG5zDs67KcUmtlREcpT Sbb56ncFbXXCWZfTkewd =Jhxd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] investing in liberation tech
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/11/2014 10:58 AM, J.M. Porup wrote: It's been said the hardest part of solving any problem is to state the problem clearly. I cannot offer any answers. At least not yet. *** Thank you very much for tackling it though. It's a hard problem. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUYhtyXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKT6W4P/ixv8yrZO2J+CUeLXs99edbk HeDdItBU8NGeQuMbUgwve+yLqGzu8PVVeK5xQBmR2562TFp5Vqhf8ltSKaYgWBpU gKrjFUwdJkSKYS9zPK8//toztjXrmeNTRY3+VjLnaut0WW0ax80FqeaKOxvGsYVX QLY5hDarD+VEjLvXGcSnZbLzCy4Bo9DBslPvLBB40218C3SshFUQsPVP68Bj2YIo s5zoZTZ/B8DYqoa00T+vf3PJQPB1yHPaEfRaowL3JTX9nP6jJzZlzEfIIRdnfL08 442fvoiKRFt5jKIYO5GD/Vpags1mUlK/U3nRIUQ4SAX2KYacifasRFRK93b2pO56 wwQYfzXP+i6FB5EJovuDP6gCKbdna5eqW515r9xUhuYNVolhEJljePnd4T0nS5AW JFg9MMOFyXxuO1zwUREzbjwPGUjIl3e3vLaffRDEKBqgOgBQtdAQuZQ9sWI6JyM5 HvMziI2hPTaEHay8EnZ1ydos9V0DrlzqA3yWEXVGiF0nMXW8sFQfgSG9k+g317f/ hlJ3lbTEkwHpB7yzN2zCeotKv2EO+DiPWkZPOyzci6dH5TCzCtpxz9Mguv7lOzB9 on/uuZ58U3zm0QnSHvn1xsGlGj/2FEas22iiRT9PdJQj5wdZ4Qpy75JhO8I/WmMW zrb1axs1ggYcU/r3IO9O =RGqB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] investing in liberation tech
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/10/2014 02:12 PM, Jesse Krembs wrote: I believe there is a distinct motivational conflict of interest for Angel/VC folks, and liberation tech related ideas. VC want a 100 mill return, lib-techers don't care, they want to change the world. This isn't to say such things don't exist to certain degree, but either party ends of making some serious core compromises to achieve closure.. *** Indeed, there's an inherent conflict of interest. But free software, free hardware, and liberation technologies suffer a systematic lack of resources. If the only alternative to capital investment is either to rely on crowdfunding (i.e. pre-sales) or on DARPA/DoD/NSA/CIA funding, or EU funding, we cannot go much further: we're working with blood money. You're not alone thinking about how to turn existing financial resources into community-empowering investments. There's a complete misalignment of values between profit-making ventures (supposed to be evil) and care-taking endeavors (supposed to be non-profitable). This needs to change, one way or another, because the profit motive is not going to take us off course of smashing against the solid wall of reality: infinite growth fueled by quantum jumps in technological progress won't prevent progress and growth from self-destroying our species. In science, when the theory do not match the experimental results, you change the theory, you don't insist on reproducing the same failing experiments over and over. But in business, apparent success (short term, revenue intensive market approval) seldom comes with actual sustainability (long term, reproducible and renewable, community-empowering, ecosystem-rich approval). So if investors actually care for their children's children, and other people's children, and the success of humanity on Earth as a species, they will realize that there's no exit strategy to this planet except death. Is growing capital now profitable? Yes. Is it profitable in the long run? Probably not. Is care-taking profitable? No. Can we make it profitable? That is the question. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUYPfUXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKT7cEQALziT5SLdnkdqEkcT6mEdXjZ olNlNMHJ2F29d9CxY7XDWaK82ipMizIOojADyddGm0262QKFgh/uqABd8XmBQ/kG KTVV91HutXpaeiuvSQGh36j6cdN3QLkHtHIIp7Pf2AGd31xRRHNyw4zgNpWj8ELV SmydRmDeL5a9SHM6fIML8hHARjW1ELs0dQfXiXRPpOQZ02i0Yg5ee/daU1iK0FUz Yi3WgOvlE8t7mgbtbdJTGrrAaVrbevZ+0TWQZVxi406XAFjcIruaaWBLNCxIVY+c oPHrI9WKvgejhaCPmpAsiXLWc+4Xh5gQLKPDhP+k3QDuEJnWftih8eTsROBB683R N9UdrI60ArlZklTg/syx3QBFUWdR4bMr0FFK/Vr0CN+hIWDqfoOJ0PyrLBXdggex rrQwylwQaHROfMtKlkNqFJ9j18seTHPjeRbOi1/R9pBaBoMbteialwI+j4bb70GX EDGpp3SyaH5uMRrgbPF4qD5jOmc/URDoZp206gkRaR2fmkGwvaw82VGugHEJSt3h GZIH2k3ULf494E+5xkpXg1WWsgdQ0Ke+Jxu664QNWVJj5bOL8HGHwYnz7Owb2Axu xmlaoq5UMHldArg1XbTZdDZcFYYttzrNERIX0BXAgBXWr7XTS2jxK3isUQ7Ez0VJ WNJ2/4YvyX7vemzBOsCL =A5FU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Jobs at Aggrigator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/03/2014 07:01 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: A quick summary below. Aggrigator Inc. - Priceline meets Uber of Fruits Vegetables.Market: India and North America 2015, 2016-17 – China, London Africa [snip] We also have a $4B agri strategic investor with a supplyside base of over 1m+ farmers. *** Let me guess... It's not liberation technology. Oh, Syngenta! Helping destroy millenia of perfectly sound agriculture. No, thank you. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUWCJ/XxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKTyf0QANKDeAoMIs4IDL76hckjA/3K EMi13T7jTssq9eejD0s3cXJQwrVn0kXiKeHParfsFoLBkStBM3lq1g7CvEjoLVdE FpXu0dJI+EoW6t5TxKx4vMzaHlLzArDm5+pY86S71+vzHcqSd0CefxoJTomwUrJw Vz0GA7vD7GHxu4nqbe0aPSXmZbIvFfsHA5Dyspxb0eS0RJGZxJY8SFgBDdAZPQBy s+RqX+bwtG5LK38piGcamYqWUUQLSO8esrDfZJD06ued0plYjYMH1QTDhwOHQVDm VSTbNT1VD4YwyyMX5XB9OeKyZC2gtXJ15jN2puyXp13jb9otb5iQKoSrP+Wwphu3 qcwP9mjes39Mef1F/yRINFD6tlhSE1Y8/CHBWNs0l60BY5OV6mjg+cIxAT5bnJdW cryrrm4cZuZ/raZ9vDX9W2lF2uCnoAOWTguCMpxUYzhhsJlqlT2zrEOqPjoYF/R6 lwknzClGk7G7eE17QTPSgATm6NvFA0i22eLIZ5FTRxaHoL0eHdaO4XttLiHF0RTn VWjRZWlXRxhM5ENuWJHmBSbiEFdCKlLm/jnma9kELVVn/1DF5ybWTPQ+7ZxTBDtr dxWlaOoC5Qi8a10lCz5qtV12STycKCMf9kPEUPbN5QI8x/3V/iYDCmOGk54WzeIz XrKfHWhwYCTozO39FDAS =ol4Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] FYI: Making Connections to Facebook more Secure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/31/2014 09:39 AM, Nariman Gharib wrote: https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/ *** That is an experiment. Tor usage is likely to remain marginal on Facebook. But what if it doesn't? Absorbing the traffic of Facebook users into the Tor network would likely disrupt the assumptions of anonymity of all users: obviously Facebook users would not be anonymous, although their origin would--but it's probably marginal in the way FB identifies its users. When AOL put a server on IRC, suddenly the stable population of IRC Undernet was invaded, like central Chinese by the Han to trump rebellion: one day you're a solid majority, the next day you're a loud minority. Would Facebook account for the increased bandwidth? Would they give a billion dollars contribution to TorServers.net or would they rather setup their own relays? What happens to my anonymity if a major player does lift the anonymity of the majority of users? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUU5NGXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKT4hEQAODxUDAdnJBx007Nn108JVe3 E/dRrcIANtpRQmiJKqKGL6d0AiqJUvy54nKJtw8/EV884uHy9V+S8Qy8UXo4azJq rdogaeJiEieUzX4AFvjEu6Iv8sQVQAqmLWySIZVxD9YBC60H+5sGi3JZ0a01WVh8 FtHYTelqIRkIz1y7/uvwzzxdu/CWBt+B+XYRw2oo04cP59EfVfMvHWYXdWKTg+Ua FlSqZ94KH+3wVWKwqVxNddMSRDEnMa4U8v8C+Fop0fyJqA0rRmbO+3dRu9VcZDoN omBlb2KuMUQcowE3jMnA/zp7wMQg5plJ/ySNMM4BfXGWwfMnksEjuEQ0JwEYHO2U 8xzO7+1pmhUMYaMPkVFc1I5AUWmiSkocbXNdBtjej0oQRiT4bRn1kyQN+Qhrc82f Ol6GCfIHc7AqXYLFeUlx6qM+jzVd9Pzq1C4JsmJ91fMvoaWkt18o76pgX5aYPDDY 04JXZtoWlgVzzshTOSpZ9Mish6cKMX5hw5jCnMSsGlIGEtHG4v8Cl/S5MD8wRSiN OXhdYXbeZjx4US1o64gdjxpum+AuwTMak74ncNZ0EiQC+yXM0VfoKJok+KrZGtWg hFTRZ+puncMAwYceQIeW+zZACW9qIfMtqID/He91nrKFW1mTOyb1at6M6VAzkWCF I04z6fUD5TqS+c8FkNA+ =3h82 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] China Internet Network Information Center is a trusted root CA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 FYI, a couple hours after receiving your email, DNSOP announced an IETF session in Hong-Kong sponsored by CNNIC (Quoting): Subject: [DNSOP] Workshop on DNS Future Root Service Architecture, Hong Kong, December 8-9, 2014 (SAVE THE DATE) This two day workshop will focus on the DNS root service architecture issues raised by two current Internet Drafts: 1. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback-00 Decreasing Access Time to Root Servers by Running One on Loopback W. Kumari, Ed.; P. Hoffman 2. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-dnsop-scalingroot-00 How to scale the DNS root system? Xiaodong Lee; Paul Vixie; Zhiwei Yan These two drafts take very different approaches to the problem of increasing root zone availability to recursive name servers. In this workshop we will explore the differences and similarities, with an eye towards revising both drafts and clarifying their roles in the DNS root service architecture. (End quote) == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUT2kiXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ3MDM3QTJCNjlFNkMxQzA1NjI4RDUzOEZE OEU3QkQ4MDk0MUM4MjkzAAoJENjnvYCUHIKTygYQAOrhcuvtDL1mLeaT+ONWv8Bj 5/66pKj93KutQDAAbIIocOEiX2mvRdt9polqqkMiPMNL1tQXZDUmXDvBQd16Au1A tP6lFT5VHIKUZBXxxE4T/2iqiAFpa+dJl5C+2JF7Wy0eSmf5Mm7/xcHqexqYaW4c lqv5Yhy91blQWowBZ1Xsod7Z1SVn3gtdGANEhkgCqUSwCay709dNoxKrqxaNTX4+ XgjDNYGD1If5+7aod3rNm23tu+frizdFsgYdeXhD7fDvrIQeTiwS/mG3GjnHLihi TA3wl/Gxosp0v+CM5DrAG4YnFw7XUaUDtMs3OpEXi8OM033r5p4stt3harMXw5W/ JhKyWz4WOaaXXWtebqSQhAHYIVxI19YNE7SBxyVPNvmt+bLg7kc+v2eKacZ1jNYL /OSY5BbogkHb2fuUrUQYn2c650/uycqYxBC4rJkV8rvz3zpDu5w3PFew9QBoqoUt 6bTsyO5/W6KWq78HY7QpDzUNMBcz72tDA7zTIvThSuOadFfZVTsTOjBxV+lVIDnU BnsiEQ0qrE3r5YD3oatbSl1oUJc6Nil7nuaV/J8BFLaFXNn6pD1YR1BizZeJOLoV HdEzU1+wwTOvIX80UZj1GP6dRWpqwLgJwgnGBb5LrQO+O8vnyoD6QkpASxmUPJ1L 8HrxWJuZY0+yx2YrQDD3 =6tPm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Something wrong with Riseup
On 08/07/2014 12:34 PM, Amin Sabeti wrote: Hi, I tried to login to https://mail.riseup.net but it shows me this message: Hello - you are visiting fulvetta.riseup.net http://fulvetta.riseup.net, this host is no longer available. Please go to https://mail.riseup.net instead, please update your bookmarks! Do you have any idea? *** You must have hit the site while the last line of this question of the FAQ was being implemented: * Webmail options Currently, Riseup offers two options for webmail: SquirrelMail: squirrelmail is more simple and does not require javascript. IMP: if you don’t like squirrelmail, maybe try IMP. In the future, we plan to migrate to using RoundCube for webmail. * cf. https://mail.riseup.net/rc/ (Old webmail (squirrelmail only) and Where did Horde/imp go?) Cheers, == hk -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Ecuador towards the pos-capitalism: copyleft politics
On 06/09/2014 08:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Bernardo, This and other news from Flok Society is inspiring. But I find it useful to force a critical perspective. Thus * What actual policies is the national government of Ecuador taking that adopt Free/Libre Open Knowledge recommendations arising from this (and other, some continuing) process? * Nations are complicated, and they do not really speak with one voice expressing one single interest. Ecuador has not shown itself to be exempt from this. Even as it allows for community enterprise, it also works to exploit its oil wealth. This raises the question: How are these economic and social forces to be reconciled? Is there to be more transparency and accountability for the oil industry's actions in the country? (Accountability could mean here something more than just announcing it. It could mean being subject to the popular will, and especially the will of those most affected. That will could be made manifest via modern means.) Thanks louis *** Here comes some critical perspective from Gordon Cook: http://www.cookreport.com/pdfs/July-augCRecuadorfinal.pdf Disclaimer: I was interviewed regarding my attempt and early failure at participating in the project. I recommend reading the report, but also with some distance. The ethical failure of several people involved do not mean the whole project is to throw away. Nevertheless, it seems clear to me that the path chosen to reach the ends tell a lot about the failure to embrace a critical perspective. One thing that I find important in that respect is the naive approach of FLOK regarding the Latin American way of government: populism walks hand in hand with northern corporations to ensure Western control (read: plunder) of natural resources. Lately, this tactics has seen the sweeping rise of Chinese influence, as demonstrated by the pre-sale of Ecuador's underground resources, e.g. in the Yasuni National Park, to foment progress. == hk -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression-Declaration!
On 04/03/2014 03:36 PM, Christian Fuchs wrote: Thanks for the collection. *** Indeed, thanks a lot. On the one hand I do not see why one should stop declaring and petitioning as long as the world is bad and the Internet endangered. *** Indeed, and that's part of the problem of unity through diversity. There's no single source of knowledge, and it's hard to keep track of everything, let alone read or agree to everything. On the other hand there is a qualitative difference between neoliberal declarations that want to fully open up the Internet to corporate domination (e.g. Toffler...) and others that try to save it from such control... *** Seconded. There's an awful lot of literature referring to The Future, as if the godlike position of the objective observer had not been shattered by the General Relativity more than a Century ago. Yet, we can read in all corporate media that we'd better get used to technology as it happens faster than we can think about it, it's unstoppable, and There Is No Alternative, etc. Well sorry, technology is not an object, and less of a commodity. It's part of humanity, and its neutrality is entirely illusory and propagandist. Instead it's highly political and ethical, and the neoliberal version of it all is not only a ridiculous fraction of humanity's timeline, it's also one of the most reactionary, suicidal, and irrational of all. But that's my opinion. That unique vision of technological-progress-through-free-markets became so pervasive and undisputed that even a supposedly radically emancipatory and anti-capitalist project such as the FLOK Society in Ecuador promotes a confusing discourse where Ecuadorians express the social knowledge economy in terms of victimization of their own culture having been deprived of access to Occidental knowledge and must get out of mediocrity. The absolute colonization of the technophile human thought perspires through all its pores. It's unthinkable nowadays to criticize the Californian ideology without being pointed at as a luddite or an anti-American or as a technophobe. Well, that's it. I needed to vent it out. == hk P.S.: the Avaaz site is not Tor-friendly or there's a growing number of Tor exit nodes abused so that webmasters will block them. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] New Book: Critical Theory and the Digital
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/25/2014 09:05 AM, David Berry wrote: Hi I hope you don’t mind my announcing my new book *** I gather the AIR-L[0] would be a better place for this. The Association of Internet Researchers is an academic association dedicated to the advancement of the cross-disciplinary field of Internet studies. It is a resource and support network promoting critical and scholarly Internet research independent from traditional disciplines and existing cross academic borders. The association is international in scope. critical theory in light of current questions over cryptography, *** You may have seen my recent critique[1] about exactly that point on the Unlike-Us mailing-list, that ended with: I thought the role of intellectuals was to anticipate change and not to follow trends, open ways, and not fill gaps. If you didn't, I'll be happy to share it with you (the list archives are not public). Regards, == hk [0] http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org [1] http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/unlike-us_listcultures.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTDLuCXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9TocP/0dzNcVoCUwxAG9S7dZIVO8X CugEFtS9IYodqFSEvpRcOfoDz/5wUoStP/YAcaV8aLtxZsRbe2HbQqykv6HeMS1y eVb31e+peOFk/n5xrf5PER0uMIRCnz28ujB4wZBCrbdbqFWpMlEZHHCgPUsPNAtz 1X3recd0uLJgffl3s5javjNv8m5UUnE8+0Qxk5yGG8q57q/nRCd6JxklbLPKFfMH lnxSSpeRHQdkls4wRHG5X9dV3IeafSUmzxPTK6wQ6sVQ6abecc9U5fu1Eg7vhQWr /8pSWRfkGkjDm9fahNEHedP94i8PCOOaZrt2bP5e5JsMgB6xPuRuNXKxqYMxxyK6 jOjezy9lAfMyisdCsR/fTtzll9KaIMKQLIY2Cm9Y6jmQ9zUEFObe3lmN7eGTSrcp CSufaFz9QVQZDSIklj9yfkeOHRk1S50r2QZ3vRgYuz5/geXdIieKnDCMN36MVxp3 RUo65WubDwmA641idOvlpEc6c8mEohZEJMt3hV9ohc8WJy8tMA2b11Z7H8Sy2DMq YqGQCvgbPO9MxUD8Wgwvbm1S+Jphxjg0G9aoRwEIL2qlCBi2pIuPlyfgvHk1q+SN mjAUuTlTNdelcekADZ77bgdZ4AyR5pkwzo4W1+B06OR+J/8ixW9fSo2dmnr9WCAl DLTVw1ELi9EfHcwJMlCN =AdQi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] New Book: Critical Theory and the Digital
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/25/2014 08:31 PM, David Berry wrote: Books want to be free. They may be costly to make, edit, proofread and copyedit, distribute, etc. but it only takes a visit to the library with a smartphone and an app or someone able to hack the DRM in the ePub to change the situation. This is the argument of this book, and I think the point of liberation tech too. *** The author calling for piracy reminds me of a software company... Ah, yes, Microshaft. It would be so much better if the author would provide a way for himself and others to not have to break the law in order to access his argument promoting cracking DRM to change the situation. Some authors are very successful selling books online for a dollar fifty, while providing a gratis download as well (on-line is the new library) and nourishing the Creative Commons without using nor encouraging the use of bad technology that works against the culture they're willing to promote. How much does the DRM cost in the process of delivering books at 44 cents a page? Then again, what is liberating in pirating copyrighted materials? If the argument of the book is to pirate it, then how do you want the people who make, edit, proofread and copyedit, distribute, etc. make a living out of their--your work? Of course, if you're already paid by the University, it's another story, but I doubt the whole chain is thriving on taxpayers' money. The point of LiberationTech, as far as I understood it, is not to pirate proprietary systems, but to create free systems. One of the arguments that has been repeated many times on this list is that any proprietary software making it to the list is not worth mentioning, because, not being free, it's not secure, and therefore cannot be considered a part of the liberating toolset. Cheers, == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTDUKoXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9f6QP/051xSDdU8ps0AvMX6r6rRE2 XoFgXPZ9D6MhGyWurFTvlP5xHAeWld8zz/aMgjznv2DCDBDARjMvZEgyyVPd3Agl gLQetlg9rCt3uUZhDg0aLfxAzgVQxiHQVqLHhpbyyDdtRsykaxBK0cL63/O/TKnx ll1siqH1b3mV3k1kNit5Nbapf7+d1ETosimcl8LFC8H/77CP7LIsTsQa2vrvH264 t6Il+GxmvvFkuC5TDQvIYI1YwWxrsp1dA27imDu//PcaZYyu0zM/5iFpaN8hy93K pqanFGA8fNsEcb8YUulSlka31LtVS3b2OavGTAI2+fz+MTzy6YF96svWEZpit6KI aYasqvKy1UwVr0oaXl+Uqkg0Dkphs69V8RD7zIHTf24NT7KyWDaKKWgKChsiyshQ Z9P3Wjilgnv0gPW3I5KbvjKo9rDQHSLVkTIWm3wp87e12mrVAGymrcal6EcHfejP o4tb2lx3ChRkS1IwYceiybZFf5WZiQlo6ur5n5ZvUwn6IwCdzXRKzN96zHcljz7P zsLMnhEUTtruC3vrGdX2rpaw8+hWhRsfhv4Tnrqxxc5hWqAU9nL3cawMYOtNdRFB 4p3ODw7IvyoKFQWEsWPAQMC9oioMbbHwHGRgDARh9XTsTE5Fl8FGLiipTZAxtl/O opz1ODvCu8Dqu3r9Du38 =e4d8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Hacking Team and the Targeting of Ethiopian Journalists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/14/2014 02:30 PM, Morgan Marquis-Boire wrote: Thanks Frank, Thanks for the kind words. The ubiquitous targeting of journalists is very concerning. *** Indeed it is. Thank you for this report. I find troubling though that an actor is singled out in a mess of complex interactions. I don't think a Virginia-based satellite company is more recommendable than a Milan-based government-only surveillance company. There seems to be a general trend, not just in your paper, to systematically attack governments and polarize the discourse towards their bad practice, and the lackey private companies that serve them. I find it troubling because it promotes simple, polarized views and scapegoating, and proves counter-productive as far as the resistance to surveillance is concerned. It's a pity that the general *reaction* to the Snowden Apocalypse is total war on government, as it serves the very corporate interests that avoid paying taxes and keeps expanding their control over minds and resources all over the planet. If even Noam Chomsky raises the flag of government, one can legitimately ponder any decision that undermines any single actor and use that tree to hide the forest. Beware of disinformation. As far as Hacking Team, and the targeting of Ethiopian journalists are concerned, I see that this company is selling a product to institutions that use it for their own interest. What's the surprise there? Looking anywhere for issues works: there are issues everywhere. Assessing them is important, but there is a limit as to what to target. I think Hacking Team is just one of the many actors in a very damageable industry. Just one. Such an industry would certainly be limited if citizens were controlling their government. Political apathy is more troubling to me than a company taking advantage of their technical know-how to make a profit. And again, a VA-based satellite company operating in Ethiopia sounds as suspect to me as your scapegoat. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJS/l82XxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9qv8P/3zh2Hpcbq9k+L/iiySgKtNK CM++o+1Y3c6PYKz12dCkKpce9UIy8tpFSUJKcboLMbu+lbFQ1VxLXT4zAQewefdb cl5Zqv+Mbp8wJ+2vJwTfxZE1ZeeLyjvkariXNSTHLTotTrPCwNoDLgmfxyFOCHCL MAclbJtV78k8z0xbeZVB1UhbQm+d6r+HLTkR8cpD/bMNt8NpVHcIoE4ofItNlUi2 iBj/pa5WYjmR2B6KzpAN2Dw4nxbTjvEUtKdZbuZFqwoOzr8Xb7ZM33i5nJ0IRiuD xY4nUeCAYXEDoFM4F/mQyxmZV3hKLWshmJMo0ZB7xO99AYeiqxxh0xJtmji2QFuu XaKtLrhvAvzMyxe0Vh0Ztss6K1bkaTYMFtBpg5WGQU53E3kbG6zHQWI8tp9GTLXV wB2jmMQHw7vPzsp/gud6xTUbfgr4pYM5lmVfQ8GuYxCfmtd6e4L417DcYPDOgE5X mKk8YwGNNIuvfLkPRxZ9Iq1z0NZzTzzk2ReSVSSaT+kW3CN/yaAEZkQYFFQfPwLy BNY8sWHsh650HWoTQsIY7z35svUEZPRz3Pkr+j5xx27OLAZzmVXGKJ1rm+9y0Jdw iXCqHbZYScZgFc0Fy71YiOKQiG08OqTEm+r6sG8PfdNGYSfYIY6JhRJnL3+09lzY iZ/+4dukOVvGhJtYK5Q4 =cghT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] [SocialSwarm-D] In Memoriam Aaron Swartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/12/2014 04:15 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: It is true that Ted Nelson once described the web as packaging. The reason for this was that the browser existed already, as did forms of HTML. HTTP was new as was the browser connected to the internet. Also the first browser worldwideweb was an editor, functionality that was removed later. Aaron was a big believer in making the web better, and was a regular attendee at the Linked Data meetups in Boston. By all means honor his memory, we should all do this, but please try not to use tragedy to reflect your own personal views, which he may not have shared. *** Your interpretation is paranoid. As you're the one mentioning the Web and Linked Data, are you not the one who is abusing my genuine remembrance to serve your own agenda? In addition to explaining what Ted Nelson understands as packaging vs. technology into a simplistic form, pushing meaning and intention into my words that were never there, you're suggesting that you know better what Aaron Swartz would-have-thought-if-he-was-still-alive-one-year-later! Really, you could have abstained from throwing such an abject comment, especially sweetened from the attack you sent privately, accusing me of tacit attack on the Web and telling me what to do or what not to do. Stop projecting onto others your frustrations, Melvin. If you keep seeing me as anti-Web, it's your problem, not mine. That does not serve anything, and certainly not to respect anyone's memory. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJS0sf4AAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9t3wP/1xHiSfXpAzRN8KpxmMBCgGK +g5AXIaH4qc0Lj7/9tVw3aFQ+F4DZD1k35YwwUMUr6ryGCPsDBeagn+/j4cqVEtp r37Wo1feQfO0eyhwM6LhVy0w04qfBCLLAYuD6sYOkdOcGfMGuFGSUHGzsy8ftlwm rgBLIvgKQ+8mUzWlHytgcrN8M2yimdVUgThugBtDKo+rD5OVzF9YbE1gIWBeDSk5 InimHf+JO16tuOUZVILEhwR9LgegO35Hkp+1+DIfzFAnmM8zREzoiZSh8hbpGAoZ 8ukqBMuijIka2QNJ2DrX9EYAVZ9VqjoJsyOVfht3q4UtXfhqzXY0bdzgkTbmjZk9 tC6FYqjZsv/PYg5HnNyQrOUZ9SeMLsV6cqCnuBbRA9sHFrTBsdxfL0/wwJW8RYOP BRRuZNNAAymXdbnqV6ADYcPKIqru9tibOMyLTburSQyxUKxA2rk/MQhz2nrDSt1e k+KFhYiVEUFk/Kd1Ek86l/WuaWWOMiI+73LNvZR/RXqfFr4+lqUMKRqWCUxVlQ8T 0aOR1zL+zkLbYP4i4UUimd1EYu+ijNAEy//74UbQNkLUI5RctTSL/JJIY9vExrly Bft5vknvQF7OdY+ILK56v2mGsAIpNJ5aGcMJWA7k5YI+bBXWMSwqfq/dBlUnkukM Ll0pdqeSgRrIYCYbfc+g =YlIv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] In Memoriam Aaron Swartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 One year ago, on January 11th, 2013, a young hacker dedicated to the advancement of freedom, knowledge, and convinced of the power of individuals and collectives to bring forth humane values for a more egalitarian world, decided that he could not win the legitimate struggle he had been fighting for since he was a child, and chose to remove himself from our world, to comply with the corrupt order that suppresses life where it flourishes, and punishes the just for wishing to abide by the Constitution and general interest rather than the rule of the powerful criminal few and their particular interests. His shock at being excruciated for liberating knowledge that should be public given the sources of its funding, and the purpose of its creation, and to be persecuted for doing what is right according to the spirit of his own country, and the narrative of the so-called free world, cornered him into a dead end. It came as a hard deadline for many of us, especially those close to him, for they knew the human becoming that he was, where most of us could only recognize his genius through his inspiring words and actions. With his life, Aaron Swartz took for shroud the veil of the illusion of the free world's narrative. Along with other suppressed freedom fighters, Julian Assange, Barret Brown, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, etc., he contributed to demonstrate that however hard we want to think about freedom, democracy, humanity, we're not there anymore: that path and dream were stolen from us and we're like insects following a light in the dark, taking it for the Sun, only to discover when it's too late, that we've been lured into a death trap. Repeating I knew, I knew won't do it this time. It's time to recover from the shock, and plant a new path, a new dreamscape, and that must be one of caring and sharing, one of humane and human spirit and community, and a path that can only be taken one by one, by each of us, to become the drops that will grow into a rain and wash away the nightmare that paranoid punishers want to impose on us. Whatever their narrative, we all know their ethics do not match their words, however beautiful and inspiring they can be: their time is done, as much as the time of kings and awe-inspired rulers was half-a-millenium ago. Our narrative must be complex, multiple, planetary, far-seeing, and will impose itself by the numbers, and not by force. Hackers can only act so far as to constrain the technology to embed this ethics and this dreamscape into code, and choose to orient the politics of the technique towards personal empowerment, and collective freedom. There's no technological solution to mental slavery, but indeed there's a tension built-in the tools we make, that can help anyone to make choices for themselves and the rest of us. If the Nasty Stooges of America founded its cosmogony on George Orwell's 1984, we must stick to our fundamentals, and see how the military machine of the Listeners has in the 20th Century been subverted, appropriated, and expanded by the likes of Alan Turing, Alan Kay, Douglas Engelbart, John C. Licklider, and many more to build the Internet, this revolutionary expansion of the individual mind, into a reflection of a collective mind, and an enabler of collective intelligence that is revealing the complexity of our social agency. We must use it as a tool not to build more technology, that most of it would be qualified by Ted Nelson as packaging, but to bring ourselves together into solving the most pressing and global challenges that humanity has been facing in its recorded history: world hunger, unleashing of fanaticisms, proliferation of nuclear weapons, degradation of the biosphere[0], etc. for humanity to succeed despite the obvious will or suicidal panic of a few. This is an omni-directional endeavor of unprecedented proportions and not one single individual can understand all the keys to make it happen--neither will any single non-human institution such as a nation-state nor a corporation. But together, given the right narrative, the will to succeed, the tools to facilitate our will, and the tools to make it difficult and fastidious to oppose us, we shall prevail[1]. Nobody should be able to cut the wings of another Aaron Swartz, and the Aaron Swartz that still lives in each of us should be another shield against arbitrary, uninformed, fanatic, cruel, and idiotic decisions that wish to punish instead of educating. When society turns against its own subjects, we can diagnose metastasis. It's time for a cure. == hk [0] In the words of Edgard Morin [1] In the purity of essence of our bodily fluids. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJS0WzFAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9Ei4QAIkk5DkRYB2DjfLkkUPPsR8N FalCsdBALKkmK2VADAA5PVuZFA+KSFb5J8Bg9SOAaypQLRanS6F66DHGWaaZIVMj QfH4Z57buFaJR7Ivvv4yETJf/iMdJQ2Fjcc4kHYDkHv6NONi6Rp8EYk7nN+AkYND
Re: [liberationtech] Twister: P2P Decentralized Microblogging
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/10/2014 05:18 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: But if you've got GNS up and running why do you need Namecoin? *** Indeed, you don't, but the probable scenario is co-existence of various systems. Already the Namecoin specs supports resource records for Tor and I2P in addition to .bit and regular DNS. I had a discussion with zzz from I2P about the possibility to run I2P and Gnunet on the same host, and have mechanisms to make it transparent for the user to jump from one network to the other. Just brainstorming really, but IMO the one ring to rule them all solution is a bit 20th Century. Fragmentation of the online self sounds safer anyway. That said, I'm curious of hearing about various P2P microblogging systems. And happy new year. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJS0FgEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9w+wP/3tyzHl9D+XxETkLQwhd2c5Q N+s+lZTG1PLufKjS4ej6/GRFUfE2hBcZEQbG2x0lxtTMgEBlmAJYBs9qk3a1uO5P YBDZ7LfH1cXnlQZ2yRgW13phnRgsJO/szcr2uq6q7QM7ickV6peUGCaAMT49ieol iwX+4pAeokmccOxA0KWNpK8G0FdHALKowVxs0ZYr+PKSgcG3DjsKJit95zYHG+av hkKDtfaoWhVK+eE/zJOqFV5ux7ow95MJfJbAN0u+8F/rVeDuWrjf7k9bX0Hj7lxu gCgDS80tIf7Q9DEFAaktu21tUNRp++pnCK3BV63z0T4ChhKBB2tqlr3gqNLAs6LK vs6SZOqlrwS7sbuW43/CiBbNthgE4aimBslFPyxutI/dCuz1urDq9/7XbPB51pHz v7cz4IH+v5hr7uNpqhxYs4CJAqfFe3tZjXSehrZAlx/2hyehlUquJ9uMmvwThzvp YOsPPg/MEQhwMgzBLG4BagfwqRyazyYbpVC/ZKgEEwm+3enfq99skb38i7ha53Mf /RUcnui9RGEn+sQ0nP9uSIaeIrQwLocMsxrat1ewElL8qyQkYnkQmjyUKfGfR+eZ ZsuGrcc1zZ12lwd8Eklp9+Pl+1vI6TbUNHWMtg0Hu1NzgGgukb9KAg3SmCYqRS9P MP6H/9gkB/ySO8YCqMGE =VY4l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] NSA: The Game!
On 12/02/2013 01:51 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: From the brightest minds on the Cypherpunks list comes an NSA game you can play with your friends :3 *** Awesome! Definitely want to play that game during 30C3. Maybe with actual NSA agents? grin Maybe with a few amendments though: 1. Spanking instead of killing NSA agents. After all, they're not CIA nor JSOC, and they'd better be ashamed of what they're doing, than innocent Internet users becoming evil. 2. Handle defection: an NSA agent can choose to defect, and become a Snowden. In order to do this, he has to identify an EFF member, and get their protection, without the other NSA agents noticing. That can happen during the day phase via secret messages. Once the EFF member protects the defecting NSA agent, the agent becomes a declared Snowden immediately. That means the defecting NSA agent automatically requires EFF protection from now on, and other Snowdens can thus not be protected anymore by that EFF member (unless the NSA choses not to kill that Snowden, while the EFF member choses not to protect him). In the event the defecting NSA agent failed to identify an EFF member correctly, he's automatically eliminated from the game (and does not count as a move for other NSA agents for this turn). 3. NSA reinforcement: to balance the game and not make it too interesting for NSA agents to defect, NSA can choose to subvert an innocent Internet user instead of putting her aside. The subverted player becomes an FBI informant. Her role is to divert an EFF member from protecting a Snowden, or to confuse a Snowden about an NSA agent's identity. Before Snowden's turn, the FBI informant chooses a player: if that player is a Snowden, his upcoming move against an NSA agent is neutralized (i.e. the moderator will not tell that Snowden whether his chosen target for this turn is an NSA agent or not: but the Snowden will know they have been subjected to FBI interference, without knowing the origin) ; if that player is an EFF member, they will not be able to protect a Snowden for this turn. Instead, they will be able to expose the FBI informant, and give the opportunity to an innocent Internet user to join the cause and become an EFF member. At this point, the FBI informant is lost, and the player becomes an EFF member instead. 4. Cascading-Style Shit (happens) Optionally, If more than one NSA agent is defecting at a time, both are lost (and the players out of the game), and NSA gets a free kill. If that kill puts out an innocent Internet user, the player is turned into an EFF member instead. But if that kill gets a Snowden, the NSA agents are back in the game, and EFF loses a member (that is, roles are redistributed by the moderator among non-declared players using shuffled cards, with one more NSA card, and one less EFF card--that means, the NSA agents playing that dangerous option are not certain to keep playing on that side). == hk [0] https://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/wiki/Session:Board/Card_games -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Special-Use Domain Names of Peer-to-Peer Systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/15/2013 05:44 PM, Hieroph4nt wrote: It says: Status of the submission: Cancelled. *** Yes sorry, that's confusing. The actual status page moved to: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names/ == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSho4xAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9AZIQAKYHdYZZGiQurDJ5POB/bMX7 qAH0pF1Il751LC0Qlgir9Z9iWrcJHCywOa6y2uBXRr/HDp2nDiEhej4cOA1VsIVa ycohOWaZmBm1Z1CdsoHNDvTJCBDf23DowK2Qt+DVJR9VNWTCBZomPWxI6PjsPP2a RTNbCCcWQmCfckSBqAov9E7hfSNICQWP7UoHrD99jEcVE6ekObWNoeKMryMCgxv7 VMWnW/HH27mkmtp7UV2ctjKE0VntWrlHgcOmQJ0Rdmg+cCIGUrJ3QvRAllN/0MTP wVK14NDC1n+Th3yeCGBG3nhjfeidM3RcqcgTDEMq2os9JhRsIYkEEY7D7xWSalUn HocWrP/UaI4DbcPBg9CO04Wa2hrriIpHqCwHbHmbl8gt9ZUs7SRO3CnUTh7Kv5mC 3BGnDEFhnkN5fPVXXmJIBSr6tQ85Gay6lmTYRC81Jvv1dPRZ3JSfH7G2c+/9y/LQ L2r0pBYtgZk4QwEETIBrJZHAC2CjRg6fymMBA/O6xGrhYPcUVhUzJkTmZyU7Wwsu ajc+02JuxUTUUmU4uOOLDNyvzjoKvd04XKq84+8rDCKgEvn5zd3CON5JzzoNZBMA vjGdQrxQt74okBhJSbKt0Mkwm2dIJ9Y+CzBegBMpEul+2/dYNCi+RoR2Lkd7/Al2 KeekYz31pWZuirsjuwn4 =bJtc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Special-Use Domain Names of Peer-to-Peer Systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, in the last weeks, we've been working with Christian Grotthoff, Matthias Wachs, Jacob Appelbaum, and the Tor and I2P developers to publish an IESG Approval document for the reservation by IANA of five special-use domain names [RFC6761] for p2p systems. The document was just submitted to the IETF datatracker. [0] It comes at the same time of the Wikileaks TPP draft that states: Each party shall adopt or maintain a system for the management of its country-code top-level domain (ccTLD) that provides: ... (b) online public access to a reliable and accurate database of contact information concerning domain-name registrants. [1] Regards, == hk [0] https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/status/55784/ [1] https://wikileaks.org/tpp/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJShAymAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9Ov8QALMbpgfGZ2wZfIs8lIrUkmZ9 kMgKnBVu5sd1XI8RNIxQ0UhWHUPnIer8Z6P+LescXlm1ALkoKydaOCF6Rpc5Mn+A SRTKRZoF4Y+Pvid4FeK6OkYNNMdfboPMw4eVqot+CQPEmG7BS88SReKX42JIfhzK 9cvRc/8Nlemlyk/YadS6HbgGVQpx/TFTjUJh5iig9Sv0WO17ccbzl32uEebHaaqq DPlCW9PcIINIE2lqqHMetOZYMJzOWAMO7W7GRnSNrBb0mWPhqQIZpieZud2AS4RH zvp3+2SXPxBezkAjRBmsiGa7c/2Fcck0P3atKc/WCNRCHVygqVZABtfh7eEjQxnp +uxiRXBcC1VLDIpc/p5Te2AkSpZ6AgxiY4mOrG5yJvH7NHBnGf14E0JYWlZrJIhy gDw6iBf2EVK7XvDiCp2WWmDN1nKk2/VN+TZBx3uBOsm9q00h6bZLYtyd+4+YNzGQ N0PB12ZpaB6D6m0HYFRyzj01GOafP19xEvA3KZeEdB9+CQE9iryTldWAYzSPx6qI 2n9B3iTog5GzEACRSZdZtCvgzjazmPkWBPo3NgYaxYHBDrYxLZmvuiW68fiZxKmk 2ss+kF7oBEX4JAxpR9PHSEL1rN7HBBmSFz7O1ZOloxMtj0XQpLGDgiqHigneYdPH b54bLXqfuKwMSW7ReTlt =eRcj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/03/2013 09:47 AM, ale fernandez wrote: maybe stick your head in a photocopier/scanner, or photograph yourself looking snowden-like, and print out a mask of your own face. *** Beats the idea of being anonymous though. Guy Fawkes, besides being romanticized by Alan Moore, was recuperated by Hollywood, and the GF-mask-market probably contributed its fair share to finance the struggle of the MPAA vs. the people to ensure that everyone is a pirate, everyone is a criminal, everyone is a terrorist. In that sense, shifting from Guy Fawkes masks (TM) to Ed. Snowden masks would simply reaffirm the original intent of Alan Moore, and Anonymous, and re-appropriate the myth with our own memes, and not one imposed by marketing, and the very power machine that we are denouncing and opposing. Wearing a Guy Fawkes mask is like saying: I recognize myself as a bomber against a corrupted establishment, I support propaganda-by-the-fact, hence you are right to oppose violence to me; while wearing a Snowden mask is more akin to: you-in-a-power-position are telling me I'm a terrorist, a liar, a defector, a traitor, and you're treating me like a criminal. But I'm no criminal. I'm a citizen, a honest citizen. My only crime is telling the truth, and exposing your crimes. You're the criminal, you're the one who's using violence against the truthful force of my integrity. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSJeUEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9TewP/RFQD55b1kh2Dk5Wtk+Anh7K X5yETXR/o8e39A3ICiF3gG/JeavnMuVtOSzIezl+JUyBS/+4Fyy7Ui7H5uwWAfaY aicZnScCc9hHHelmIN2Qy4CHR1UzeeZuwIqc6/UKCt65QeYjy4Z3AqJPZnxE2OrF 2TAbFx3u/Nwwow9++wa96ybghF6/wiPxNSv3P4HaAJSrH+oX5axSdO0r4qcpy39z KmH2GF9ng5dQWmYlzeOh7RZl5otKxbHyWIYfbd+A0XUPfLRWOwoADLw4aJ4kizzb oPQnJAvuQhtJiAdoYHtbYR2gl5PwhZmb3QURewhuizQawnVSEkIKxFSkUmDV5c5h 7Vg6SAj4ny5ggLpeWfjGrCdgVeRqmXFnwHFk1IJCnwt102ULp7csM1tWt79aLVJT nj/mEDFu/LHuv6CAEvQHlma9IkXwGpyQ9YyJkhJtjjhpp8z4lLKDf+1M5nLFrT7u iLJv5BRTWsub2q8bWevylWaQzve1mgm4aVwtmMPWDi3zCpNUWnKwUjQKZANdh8Pt mZwOU5v2sxEb3wFEwBOE+v3FxULt1y0GK1WKStEMeWOWxzfwqZ8M0p5RqHEiXMRf lHi+pCWj7Ef4nmZCtWE+Igw+MIVbgQuVytOuVMbKz3e5DKTKCGzoWkiOa58SZ5NM EvdpTsEHZLHDWGHdt4xF =j6Y6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Lockbox receives $2.5m to encrypt the cloud
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Why don't investors ask LibTech first? http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/lockbox-aims-to-nsa-proof-the-cloud == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSIUU7AAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9WCsP/1q/Svfrrzsn5jSiHTQQj+Cq zHj7HDlmcxPBueaEBBMOpKNLR/x6QoeKNlotuGAavnKDTeFJZfk9i8vvMyxebULj gVfOY+XduMowSHKO3LT4h1SBdk6P6sjmnSrYN6mqmoaJeNQf2r6yQ8YJCC4NnYsr 2FESciPne+PsTfJ90nC5PYTeK6JLQgkXF9FFAa1eU/8ugmm03RJSh0IB2N62DJut NtH49vaZuq0G7ke8TVXuTDdHBCyzw3MCOE2GKqBARNqLA6JabvnMx/3qNZh68rCf l4OzDsAtDVwI7e70FWYRYIxpeDkUTcTn5orM1dGhQbKNvjtga+IdmaoYp/ISSK8g S3M230FZOlYUs7d4k2WOyZuM6A22N/QWe95C7VuJrT/L+KK1KXh0tbF3QxoBYdsC Wu277IL5HLQXpvys8d3J936adC0sg18391RN4xoeL3lW0MularfhcyhiR92a/q45 eK1PAlC8/DyJZLfiSnhHD208ZmxlxMIjBlODlazZdOWyXqkDJwMYGMYoSqCCtqJc N2ocxRZVkKTyFpqaLNAlmlbChWGQyRxcHxRs3UTMB/DevSKKprR8jDtR/lvMKHOT Q7XBGJ3KCe34Q8DnEk56nvA7U+hjpZEA6OyW1wuUyEgkaVt/lZuNSZj2Z4cSGTs1 MwW1wE6+jhi1Ci3qxRhw =pN2e -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/10/2013 08:08 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: See http://blog.fefe.de/ *** Agreed, that seems to be a PsyOp to scare hackers away from the US State secrets, or hire young kids. Very badly done though. If that super elite guy is so meticulous about keeping his anonymity, and never got caught bypassing security systems, he certainly does not care about remaining anonymous to his employer: how many cyber warriors are there - among 5000, - stationed in Northern Virginia, - a foreigner from a country where Radio Shack operates, - a drop out at 15, - a musician in a hardcore rap/EDM band, - who went to Florida in the last month. C'm'on. If that is not sanctioned by his hierarchy, the smart guy just put himself in trouble (or maybe he wanted to be able to retire earlier). All that is certain about this piece is that Cyber Command hires people looking for money, without ethics, and who prefer toying with great technology rather than caring about the world in which they're supposed to live. Who's the advertising company? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJR3YL8AAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9dqsP/iPZ6GPb+N5LKd6i0gudQNnF d97Suuxn54S2ngG9PcRSnb3FVJ60khBSHyVUPWXLlKgCBp35TjafqA/SLhQlWCdx AYHYlRe0suVETDX2+Jjtj3iwrDf0wkXCkfCXizpaRGg/+zX/LGMexnU/djBRlDNk bcwsJu1LOps4LZhzFWm3ZiYb0dNQNyKDjSPdu3EOsEFIZZ+oW5DRY0U+LCpONrA+ BbtOWtmUUN1Z2GF6LJq0g0EAaKRmaDpuapSZmPxfvrwL25886xqCpeWXHk/iG7qa 5+kGdC28eIAx5vxpl9DYe6uL929MdEfImI/Pls6ZLAaYaLJT7tUe53QzQHnutoX7 qP2a+5cCyWQFUo3VI9BV6zr1443Yg1OVqt3Aa8Ua6QaR4f4Yr226W+Dj+XAqcMJ0 sLxRJljs4u1U0pFOKRTP5lUMzYM9saqtabRUwRKlSVIUIFlsTZ8Lgjugd+Tz713j dD2XfKu1RDUi+qzv8xhoJvH4lMxrq4rWObcnOn7Yvpyb8DE707cRbJLz/WyOBzQ9 Byz1vRl2tpw6SkkB18Khw7ZDg8NRssiapzczvH/QojcWSPwEY/uOsKvW0uOLxzBa r2C6OjdQvbpJFFEyRB2ZuWTRaizhMidv+at5vpRHUDVhAOKXgQrqrsouPR1NXryU 5sF2iZ8XtG629vGGnJzw =0kmY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] PRISM and an Agenda for European Network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I want to thank Christian Grothoff and his team(s) for the exceptional work they're doing on GNUnet. Christian gave an awesome presentation at the Free University of Amsterdam a couple of days ago, and the slides are available as a PDF file. [1] PRISM and an Agenda for European Network Security Research Another Turn of the Wheel: Mainframe, Desktop, Cloud, Peer introduces the European situation in the light of the PRISM surveillance program of the NSA, with good insight on its dimensions, and goes on to describe how the GNUnet framework is offering a viable solution to the decentralization problem. Highlights (with personal comments): * Current practice of encryption on the Internet: send everything to the USA in plaintext * NSA's upcoming Bluffdale datacenter is estimated to suck 65 MW power consumption. Compare with the new super-computer of the Leibniz Supercomputing Centre, SuperMuc: 3 MW, 155,656 cores, ≈ 3 Peta FLOPS * US companies trade unpatched software vulnerabilities in exchange for access to intelligence gathered from the NSA: i.e., there's a vicious circle where NSA acquires more intelligence capability with the help of businesses. Does that sound like fair trade, free competition, ethical practice? Or collusion between big business and government? * US controls Internet infrastructure: IANA, DNS roots, DNSSec root certificate, x509 Certificate authorities, i.e. it's compromised! * Decentralize data and trust: end-to-end encryption, decentralized PKI, decentralized data storage, no servers, no authorities * current decentralized solutions are slower, more complex to use and develop, do not benefit from economies of scale, and are harder to secure and evolve * in comparison, centralized solutions are... COMPROMISED! * GNUnet seeks to make decentralized systems: faster, more scalable; easier to develop, deploy, and use; easier to evolve and extend; privacy-preserving, censorship-resistant, available, etc., AKA: secure. I leave you the pleasure of discovering the details of GADS, RegEx search, and PSYC. Thank you grothoff and the GNUnet / Secushare teams! == hk [1] http://grothoff.org/christian/uva2013.pdf -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJR1im7AAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9pXAQAKzMXSm5Cwy3wCd7cxbgSoST 8g+w+AxPsjl/9tbB2TkszGjwN5Ai/bWEqlaLMKyWlPUBO97ntOjyZz4cNVAvjK7P HUU1pseDSJY2Lg9IFaYCnzyLntYWm5nRW9QYq2akfmcnMXIWoKjLTAvhcMK6kkw+ EKEEoO3dYtAyOMM2JBPp3JAtPL2xSQCJc0cnwUuAgCtehzuf29D+Xc3fh1CLlaDm IWzdLUBH/LQdBdFWuYL2AOm9VueZFapBDIDP/vYcJeygBvGn5DUWxGpkHV3nW/XU 8Cst1dgaOWDE8ZNQJYoVGp9VZVlt+EO5gAhXfmNN8GZbCCN4jAVFt3iKpnjt/Ebq UJoBjeTuhxjN9rttoTA08rTItu3tixC2hkCtXl44RM4Ixi9C7t7UiM8UTR1ETf6z x/3bySWPksRSxvpgeKvK267NMsZ+l9v/nSiXf+Mp36SASCCClYjl2wVrIJvGBePX cQC3RZ85yM/C+nSpgoGhzdTsb8IpWEG4FJephHvYoD7AR3FEjM7JFILIHT5zhK1/ A/4y88yRw6xPxRGVrf9fv0kCDn/H2jpVQ1tdR6VPnnLdsqdeipRYUQR+bilEqbzQ FJGbZz6pBybKx91JABSId8zaWz6l1FzrenwkVNr9wnomVE5iu5Zjbx5Wc8golrAL CFLJE9Xz3UYbDRuJC8M9 =X87D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Is Ecuador the Safe Haven We Want to Believe In?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ecuador won a huge credibility bump in hackerdom when it offered political asylum to Julian Assange. That is confirmed with Edward Snowden jumping from HK to Ecuador via the Red Block to evade the Angry Murder of U.S. crows. There is a pattern here: if you leak U.S. secrets, you can go to Ecuador. How cool is that? Unfortunately, the flip side of the Ecuadorian coin might not be as bright as it seems. This BuzzFeed article [1] states that it received exclusive leaks from Ecuador, and backs the documents with some interesting records: first country to implement nationwide facial+voice recognition, buyer of GSM Interceptor Israeli surveillance gear, a series of press-controlling laws, etc. Info? Intox? How relevant is nationwide for such a small country? How much cocaine money went into building this up? [2] Should hackers and whistleblowers praise Ecuador, or stay away from it? [3] Note the update on June 26th, quoted from the article [1]: The people who provided BuzzFeed with these documents say that they attempted to leak them to WikiLeaks three days ago, but were unsuccessful. WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson called this claim ?false? and said ?No one in our team recognises having been approached with such material as you describe.? == hk [1] http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/exclusive-documents-illuminate-ecuadors-spying-practices [2] http://wlcentral.org/node/2811 [3] http://wlcentral.org/node/2829 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRy2qPAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9nv0P/ifshgC+xSp6rHt3Ldrz+mmV awQjGcVk3ci3Ajc1VO+QfGP0K3SH+XqXVahkVhKgTQGiuJftGHhN0J7KWGl5mEgt Rxt8Ry+vgz4efY5doF9Fdkhu+0/NnGgkVGzH9Sj3SwQZigRSikKuCgRVZfHW9gDk jsAfJIVp33VPmWEhuxngwSoV3sWdC2pGritOUrSEN3r68tsovf+LLLH61mbHH9cu YwvPbcNxP4tleVqvuGLA0KU4CKFXIAv+bCIGeg1k4XaW+ds71JlCOtVTTn+JX8Oc /NXFja+sWVhU14xADnu2Xs8gT7t9UijXktTDVDHSFNimPQ8LIEfwuNpHPZ60ODqs ZnNfM2n1p0Z5b7s/wXUwoB48JZzMMc/Or73zIWBLXFXEX7dnP6P2edXvOE/NwpoQ IzRuZbNGBk/fy6eYx/ndU5iLL7ce0rK1WkGBtNxt6fdnaX+o4v0ZNBM9nrtewzr0 PCeZaOS6KV4RzB+pwhtitUtmS9F87fn6jLs73mJAHXgIxYBHc36OEuq1o26ocnoM YlLPI9utOFloEeML5bcVkwnZwA92mRtwgnvhcAesw9HaI8CWQhfdeZG+LZbP5D9J 29z/NX0uMevNHgDP5w7AegE7WX/B0NLbxk+1OhOzIf9UaJNXcWtsqgdHhFowT0KY bpXCa6JyCc3gUyBzaHze =ypHj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/24/2013 08:39 PM, Jurre andmore wrote: I don't see how this stands-up. Next to that, the AIVD/MIVD hasn't deployed a nationwide eavesdropping setup for internet unlike the Swedes, Germans and Americans. *** Does anyone remember the low altitude AWACS stunt at HAL2001? Do not be fooled. Cops are cops. They work for the politico-legal system, and the system tells that hackers are terrorists. Surely, there won't be any arrest, and there will be clueless cops asking for tips to download illegal music. And there will be more smoke to throw at your eyes to catch you off-guard, sooner or later. First thing, as nothing special will happen, many attendants will look at Eleanor, Jake, and other voices as paranoids the next time they tell the truth. Of course, there's nothing different between OHM nor other conferences: cops are present, they're watching, they're learning. They surely even learn a lot of bullshit from their paranoid point of view. And they can make that bullshit into a case that might even lead them to some special. The huge difference, and now it's not even related to OHM per se, is the outlook people will take on the scene. Between those who will consider police harmless, or dumb, or those who will take them as friendly, or heroic, there we have a problem. The problem is not police, it's not us vs. them. The problem is blurring the lines between resistance to the society of control, and collaboration to keep that corrupted system running. Everyone wants to love the mayor on election day. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRyN3cAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9ZlkP+wdlpu/fAWMZR5SdivuEjIlb zPhrm0oFZtm1eiIZCkH3D2Jt3pXigoLa5lCmJhswbELsDzAAsHAInNlpe34TGM/i zDo2dydVFKiEKB4+REoFV2Ov2GmUraGwGiboO8OtaUVaHrrPjSEVN7Tg9+ZQzPAE ckXpg/hUfhRhHw1W3oidbPkuc1KHvUtaDk90LRzlu24VnzyHDprf/MbRct3TeLaA BNvHF33gfxgYLuvCp4BXASYVBRtk7DQlp6mLojGTJhoTZ4UCWYJVO9pLQSrExNzO sT/ow8ywyNCzbL5I0OPqYSkgA4TjHzDsH7d7uuGO17Yuk99m9WGoI7MbDBdTiOXj Qg+gcuWepNnDp03EqCMVwrbJ497yFMiWvPZuPtPJmMmH1wvU+2YFFwA93kli62UG G8uQXZmnEmEBB8WpugVvgzf37Mz1cYvYe5elK1QPaanwoIo8UUqDBbfjQHhg7gBo st5XyqaE51bpT65ypz5WzZuaF8UrNYOwNP55QrOflQ2n1IlXgJFhdav85yQraN+e gFXLBbtlSUhtiKrDcTMhfStJR312UZubG5wkhFJOh/WxU3mBN1mF/RFX3ZPoYINp DsLhxg+Uz3Fu4KC9kFEcgM92MD7JKHSPEaY6+mUI5h81LHU7cICqK9+do4bDyPKh kpC7Ef8dk6SXvzeUhRSM =Axhb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/24/2013 09:06 PM, Jurre andmore wrote: They are ramping such a system up but it isn't in place yet, remember, they are firing 600 people in the following years. *** I guess you mean: outsourcing to the private sector. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRyN+aAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9B8wQAK0Mk7ZwAReC9FaZBu7jNSJN DvvLuR63eBpdksBdYTKgtaBIG2oKW/tIq1FSWAwcBLSCpdug74j8TxMhkpbqFDD6 P+r7YmNtEPSBVarxmgiYjXSr4RtzlMlmCUSnL72y49BQda+LsHwgZeRxuPHfAoNS QEkzltJLfKQ4hUMtIPIbVgyjtJA88PMdQ97KtyLepJGFLpnuUUX5b1T3Qez0KuXG A/YHZrEeASOcUzAQVLy3NJ3yNmIZI6M0HJna3DDjgHHIx1N9WJdWnB5Qc5rqrOVP AuZ1Dx1vgSgCzG8tHczh/5NLDjecrU45aP+eT7s9eEZbgCi3PwzbnqzcUaJFU1MZ SJerCpp9CrV08uvuDYVhDA4prOQ9huorRksm+IsAT3t8laEGw2f0tEhQiE4RAbqG mLYrU/WMWZY9WLs06c6t4e9WGmwUFGIPQhV76KDbjxkw9jpDvVHAZpQzA2AHGUKO JRBC/SALK8/v5A8XcF032h6ez5yAJdE5Rhj/Fha2rq0/qxvub0hGKXFa1LRW0vAn Yh6BvE9Pk5SBj9twuj+MFVRWM2NaGgCVYo62GLgCYzR8DhIXmOFDE6vVLbLwwPog mEGd2fpMbLYQ/UmHcJ8q22irc3WotdE7J/6SqGZuUmCTOf4xwvAJUGDS0JI9pRpR j/Stv2rKaCFOGMchC+BT =yRvk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Google defies FBI, asks federal judge to challenge National Security Letter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/05/2013 01:20 PM, Nicholas Merrill wrote: In my humble opinion, Google deserves to be commended for taking this action which it did not have to take ! *** Isn't the FBI is getting for free what they usually sell? Isn't that a good enough incentive? Sure they're doing the right thing, this time. But I smell a trend in the last few weeks of enthusiastic announcements for progress of this, and leaks of that. But there are *details* that really look suspicious to me: - - Google wants your information, it's their plan, and their business. That they don't want to share it with the FBI is probably a good thing, but it doesn't change their plan. - - The recent OffshoreLeaks sound great, and are important, but I'm (not) very surprised there's nobody really important there, just some adequate puppets, so far. The real beneficiaries of offshore banking are still hiding. Is that because the British Virgin Islands were deemed expandable, or because we don't have the whole picture yet? - - The shortlist of State Enemies of the Internet given by the Reporters Without Borders is the most suspicious of all: Bahrain, China, Iran, Syria, Vietnam. To everybody else, the actual enemies would be the ones sitting on the UN Security Council, and another for good measure: USA (ACTA? CISPA? NSL? NSA Bunker? StuxNet? Aaron Swartz?), Israel (Stuxnet?), Russia, UK, France (Amesys, wow!), the entire EU, Myanmar/Burma (hey, need to remember those racist buddhists oppressing poor Muslims sometimes, unless it's politically incorrect to do so?), etc. but no: instead they're pointing at the designated enemies of U.S. interests. (http://surveillance.rsf.org/en/) It's become so difficult not to lose one's mind over paranoia, nor to abandon all hope of seeing the light. The media landscape looks more and more like a polarized lens to demonize the enemy (hint: you're part of it) and sneak war propaganda everywhere. If I were in London, I would bet on the declaration of war on Iran before Spring 2014. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRXyM6AAoJEDhjYTkcokoT+VUP/ROdEONjtNpEP9K8eojDDAL/ A9VziO1xnGb2ZZih1dTuV4Ru11k0HCuWECclv84QWhKydbHKk6cI8olu6vfEwjz3 +hrqcc1WMDz7rzF3GR8Qc5KbO7vH5t31LvmNdYNVmHGgpV3zlHzEzdRQNJs+Cu87 WhPzu8AdzumF4wRnr4JjeAGNGQgwE8J+rBtpJgVCwao/3lfJW/Z1jfqLKw09GIhy 9/N3H/fsSLyJO8yxDbb9UquYju1XRfJxZiw0XM7qOD+gorswPWEVC1zqeiGxEGOq G9XciUUb7dtZY4cB9xB9nUkunidXB7Xr0YkEQxh02R6FTMA+8hMpbJHt9paIfby1 jyppunfLsqK9YyZwweNb2IjWpvkhhYVFwoLcwomnBkDtgRJLZ3O/CtomahD0p09/ ENiIfnYOdu97RRHW+8npVAwVpuxUlC/byP8sFaTCm3pvrLV5u8Swvbsw2YShV0wV f8tz7ZIGMED7yCQvP8gSjR2zlGM/fsZNbQw019arRSuR0GPdq5TJP9pOdWfGk7zA q3XII6Dtj+AorxZBxgVbILQB2Gqox6IFuMwMHiFXdYXOWDLWp4XZ8ZhXJTEySvrT pDwCgGbh+Qinbv3ufUVWz+pd+BI4gpBKNU/kNicB2YJgukfRLhrwBrf3esiWW9Re KS5EjKVvp4qBbSbeMWS1 =60aZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] skype
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/30/2013 11:04 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Microsoft, like many corporations, employs professional spokesliars who are very, very good at crafting wording that can be defended (should it come to that) but which doesn't present the truth in a straightforward fashion. That's their JOB. After all: anyone there could tell the truth -- it's not hard. But it takes a trained and practiced professional to evade it, obscure it, conceal it, dance around it in convincing fashion -- and even use it in limited ways when it serves the purpose. *** Too long for a tweet; awesome prose! That said, though, even if I'm right on all those points, that's not going to stop people from using it. And that's where *you're* right: I wish you weren't, but you are, and I don't know how to fix that situation. *** I don't know either, but Jitsi provides such a good alternative to Skype that the only blocking feature is the social network: when people using skype intensively decide to switch to Jitsi (or other SIP-compatible clients), it's done. Is it merely a matter of marketing and network effect? Is it a matter of promoting SIP services at ISP level? How to beat the inertia of a bad habit? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRV4HxAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTjLwP/2KPgacaKxSWQc7JdxucMp33 crr49jj9Tz4Xd8LUASwZo+gjKRZezv6K8+ijyMHpjKS2n1noVGZzeOA3Oi/6jVm4 mWCzGwVlLeXpcrBtyo7RSRvMFD3ys+Cx1npW0fp0Kl6A49zKku8VVPXs9SLWU3i/ yQ41jKfFscgzDSrX+QwOEN1TnJIbCJ3SY3vQo1Ne/1XlNUBpCXSH4soNjr7iQoXL kDSyQVRtk4iaF7DDA3PmQrd827xgtb5/nz4UdiptZgLgVhpJZ1/Ar7cZ/aDCs44k GPfwILiiGbRZA3UtWn+A/aG12MKxxxJ+LRaaz1Vxa/XBNgPkO5a8Oyp2SGUTerlR QOq09j9436LKDClQszFnW7uUAPogsx0WuhCHeujoObRquW0oN/UmY7qqMcw+lkVJ Fjl65D5jgUhOQQoWgv3xe2NAC0bEokVZbqGx60HVKy4Zbe6Yc/gsxEX3ceRVSV+/ /sKPI74Qm/BIo4h0F9PWl9fMxiz68RrhTjbynybS89KFJGBwcscNIW060wDNYIMS RsWHfql+IGMCwLr20GHVNq02sIhB5vAiagaIboKOg3bPaVnqsKWRxwQRjV52yuPE KLVXxhi8IgDq8IAnvYtdrIQeN0qT+xMwJ0mTPynZGpRNoieJ/hqUZaZoIcMcTcEv x8Cwgy4s9Cjr3uDlJOAI =IWPk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] What's wrong with the kids these days? - On the moral decay of the Dutch hacker scene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/26/2013 04:03 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I find the observations in the article extremely grim and depressing - it is largely as a matter of agreement, I might add. *** +1 Consider this as a threat not only to the Dutch democratic processes but also to the notion that the Netherlands is somehow independent in terms of law-enforcement and intelligence. Surely, one would not jest that the FBI deployed with the Dutch police would serve the Dutch police first, right? *** Last year, I met Rick van Buro [1] at an event organized by the squatter group Schijnheilig [2] in Amsterdam. Rick and his group have been spending the last 25 years researching Dutch law enforcement and documenting the extension of power and repressive legislation in the country. He mentioned the increasing influence of the Mossad--Israel secret service--in the Netherlands: he estimated that Mossad gets all of the intelligence gathered, while 80% goes to the USA, and only 60% go to the local law enforcement agencies. - From other sources, it's easy to find that the Mossad has been training European police forces in Commando Krav Maga (deadly hand combat technique used in the Israeli military) and crowd control techniques. The militarization of police forces around the world is an obvious fact to those curious enough to look at it. The issue at hand is certainly not increasing crime--although crime related to poverty rises with it, but rather an increased criminalization of regular citizens. Just look at the systematic repression of peaceful social movements over the world in the last couple of years. With that said, the complicity of hackers in these kinds of actions is beyond loathsome. Rather than helping to actually secure our systems, we see compromises that undermine the very core of our modern world. [snip] Hackers and those who are technically literate have a responsibility to consider the larger issues at stake. Those who don't, who just follow orders, who use simplistic self-serving reasoning in place of thoughtful ethics - those people are building a world where most of humanity will be subservient to such architecture. *** Ditto. == hk [1] http://www.burojansen.nl/ [2] http://schijnheilig.org/2012/02/0803-politiedossier-opvragen-met-buro-jansen-en-janssen-2100/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRVEh8AAoJEDhjYTkcokoTtn4QAIQqURK32ovmAvmTn+JA3qiD zMY0gpeM+L+2QazwOqHGHJxvmqi0j7aRvmlwr+tj6ylO3XeulJISZUq/6OQWWl03 OYVhk44/H9LCQD84ThEZ39RfNZ/21qhwV0yCgNvWhSfOwXHypJhXWSIK3WXyw3CW o9D65qSilrxJx2DBWk0W/S3pby6fTF6zzsmYjqWXX5WST8F/PepmPGDZPKbSWdj4 w84AYudfvedaXcUmgFQVq0lu9BdNxblnpgOsZfi0CsmJI4VaAN5ljYV3/mpbjvRq AeZ2MLUwa1JsYgg/QfdRH6dquxwiUEZv3m0xSIEVlQQUGKn9seo1QtFbfVbmzDrX aFPXHqQ2Wx6pSnHa3k6Q1wM14mWbfLwBdtJ9TquNab7mcvwxaVoVuXTJoGh8fZ+1 0LLO1+mkr2l9BQMwCBTRWdKZZVHcOl5kgG702BDTbeK0E4Oia309qhlfdCGTq63p Ts1sRiz15ttKZNsmTU1CYr7lfwzyOnefUmmLXF+DzXtM48vzPeFxtP7OJtGmy4vA CfFhfgzJTAugkJda6FRwj/Okf/UDYrR0ntgj8MbLX3hByMtJTVNXZ+qpASrsY0O+ O7+Y30vTFzkrQ2LeKJlKw93a3BRFVGlR6rgDg++7f9fChjnGCt2PtLumdVhwqNx+ LMJNgWa1Qlfo5gWUJCHb =bB88 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] What's wrong with the kids these days? - On the moral decay of the Dutch hacker scene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/28/2013 10:51 AM, Lex van Roon wrote: Without any factual evidence this is just speculation imho. Do you have some publicly accessible sources that can confirm these facts? *** Please define this and these. I suppose you're referring to the mention of Mossad. You might be right, and it's probably a slip on my part to generalize their influence--besides the fact they won't advertise doing it. I've got that information from word of mouth while in Amsterdam, so it might just be a rumor. But that rumor has some truth in it, and that's the militarization of police forces around the world, that is well documented and self-evident given the evolution of their gear. For the part concerning the research of Jansen Jansen, I guess you're more able as a Dutch to figure this out for yourself, using the link I already provided. Regards, == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRVJkoAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTZNEP/AyW7anQx0VhG9EN9Mb9uECq EGz0NZ9bw2sQzU32u/9EIIM56KefhybCdryqu4ekDjBN3rxu9rJVTu3jAHXXN4Di Bx1mH7ul9sevO3ozrAikfuRUqqlPOTF3BRHk+mJARb98YKrnX0lHkLFpWIXyh7PC U4P4SksujaQ8ItXFB/H04flTxPire+CgWWONvQivhUJiQm8wNBSMB7kfXtQ7ccGP +zvidTQNu5YryikozKoYEzGZSvti0w+jpbAFnkifKtY1SwZyfZ6f2/PtR1UHazsY aG7sytoAhkn9OAFyvutta3QLcn6wSrgDiZfqQRwcacEw+8SyVkZ8u7MsJ9xpeYiB smLK/mXQdNNJpMAZG9rbchRuoyyZ34ybBVa8gqLbGhJoGKwjLP95vPnilcWzUvwP LkYmVeoa7js+U7xJ8FG4AKI0C+8CAAkdZIGA5FziYQomwldkkKSvk+s1lvPijnEJ ZBlL5b4iNhk3Q+IMTQ00fIET0jOeSqKE2uYB61AW6hVij6ZkZmITUPZ3FQsId6B7 djG9cPq8LS6U0DFsjUEdgqLbucL/CCgMNrNBzAfKI6BhoJdALt4au+yIQ+XLCu6q HDperytKZ8t9rJfauQ1DHg1RQ64M8YMtsTEYTHNQfkLw/pp5eM6+JUBtahQj8KVZ wRy+YKlmfR7m8D7ikeZs =96hO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Crypho
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/26/2013 05:24 AM, Yiorgis Gozadinos wrote: Is the js I am running in my browser the same as the js that everybody else is?. *** The LibreJS project [1] tries to solve that issue to ensure the code is unmodified free software. There's probably room for cooperation. Assuming Javascript code does not call other sources that will run in the same space as the rest of it, and bypass the checks. == hk [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRUZ+zAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTJ4AP/2jmmbuTeXxR3JOgFSWSI5Zs KdvPEqIiUnXhYVmOaslyGnvZwKKY+q/gDnN/b5I2XEidIuTdrtRy+MCf/O9Hba3C w1GpA4LM1Vhlyfld6UNmMJ9aYoxRByJW04uIpkzpi9pQ1C9rR2VvqENXfoDpQ50a UdIX67Yahhs5s4zrAplFVDhQMdHfMOUWEzoLHQl3ppSyoCvT9JdwCsGO/sWIYtdL E/sZuRq69kjbDqtHDBUZzhQHNpKzMF5qeGRhq7nLrRykCbBICfazUXZG3A0n6ecT YGXVhuHm37xhFwxWTp8ncpbMgiPfrJQn2hcL5lTXiccdjcip24FJmbe8u7nYI4bg FMNH0tTTKqZ8t1stnHxxCc18thCPygeu+Mj+rWkDFnvvzJa9jOdTQaENa29MaGRO +z50c6gd1Yrca1lc+yXpkK50fgaLI+w/qREne1uButlOCp5p538cslqbjMUxZw/P LLTcGJEHq4rCyp5dgJxkMN+q2Bq4Z1YklpnGVJMlEPDmzFkyWvQ19Cs5BilzQ9hY 0mmqBAyGAkjgaBhl1F3nUuVLg1tcNb12np59Rdr5Y/QxvKqBYnUCh3ZY/sQOBDrH CiSKMXAFt+F5K29EWbHpDXNtZ7wRcHLZzNHUrvQyMYyh9PrLnRjCWqGZC2SXjWVi ESbmQDRnurbNjbPWCXQf =YUSu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Hispanohablantes / Spanish-Speaking LibTech Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I'm also interested in a list in Spanish. On 03/06/2013 07:03 PM, Robert Guerra wrote: Ya existe una lista con enfoque en LAC. Aqui los detalles - RedLatAm mailing list redla...@lists.accessnow.org mailto:redla...@lists.accessnow.org https://lists.accessnow.org/listinfo/redlatam *** Should we use that one, or start fresh? Does it make sense to have the list hosted at Stanford? Is Stanford providing some service than the Spanish-speaking list would benefit from? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJROJHnAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTLMMP/2EUNXhuRGpQcM1etI6sY65/ bQuYvjleFSt8LqzbJn1eWwV7yuAIl++WCMa/sOYD6uiWIAsAu9MjZrDsmvwNOveO 7A4HDoZWvAyuJEJks9IL5huNCSpKZTSyfrTE0Z6Rcc4M8ELPcwc/KSiSTIypQ9B2 aB5TA02bxRCstZht+cQFhSJgu8GcYsb/LRDgkIaZZH/+ko1/2OOF9KfzvhsdS1dp MbeDZS6Hx1jaBU9DopO3nJVQRtzISip3kw8DND2vLILaVkJ+Mpf68z1XWCIm39DB sFPtHdbhu3+ZSI0VOlse38swofvgJrjYM8SjPcY3ZGocyq43ukyqA4Go4Tagw3cl lgkPSm/R5SZxgQeSolDJPFvbzRwGBcHcyheBq/mK2phsG99fnh66OlS6wfWBTwgb yXECHOdqzrfwAzIh3xgSmFktNaRG4T3ubSrDoOJXz5WPEyku6/fQh21hTxK3mIeW z6J6ZQ0iGvavNnwcWrmayaEA5U6tjy3mZm1vnpOs0AVpSvwub3Th39maeONAqiVx mZ3LjxXELCHLhLJINq/77h7H0wgRqE046vDi3HR9vsRH2nqy0W2HTEO/G4P+yq7X 4wk2zTDwOzo4l66F124w5dSWGx+SvZi121nS1MVZICUIGekTdWjGo6Wp0cj1OZys CrnTrSjbAbpFS4vIjzhC =e11H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Hispanohablantes / Spanish-Speaking LibTech Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/07/2013 05:12 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: The list is not at Stanford. It's at OTP. *** Liberationtech is at Stanford, isn't it? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJROPXUAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTuHEP/i1mSTxMHnDsg7BSSIyFPSy1 uQjv+GatTpwyhyqR8y8JC6Wgkt3FFV0UAWifgiQnO4AeKlgfvnDAXZ+YpyzW2Sg3 UbhsAfPks89J3oeqDCVGcHM//lfc9A9CHoC4W1J/kw1m2l0CmdTUtN6vu+eMROl1 MpYmOysLT6akhFUVjJnFhCSGHIOq4/55jg3UC2b1+3uPUtIGsjxNn7rB5NrZqJn5 lPFDoX+nazIHpI1nAzsQZANbqUCh+O/bEyCezqgvjwa1zarh6Y1c89DBHdtvcqJE QYQ09Jb43Lp4eA5ekuCkou1Q3RjxCOIer1wzT65kIYVrDoj2mZlG+fZZe55GB0pR qWskGwC6uPrbU50t0Ra8BuDLkL01RZ+5y5m6FbGUpSYCNn4jQmL9NF659dLra8hi 2N9n2l7cGEHm7mtCApLgF1wSXKzvlEnZmBI+rWLBtpzUG+ADDSlzrTzr58z15ZJ4 MO/l2RA9dtowEDyUwM0x/bfu+1Guc59Bwk3O1dElz5jPFTNNaNdcxhFmf9s3PEAG 56t0FqC4jo4Km0FIcDL0oZVWaKhReohXZkya27eS1g5pU3LuGMYMAissERWlJeqc d440y6LFtyahH06nRf6puC4NB0kUf8RIelzVMd+cVpmNpspVJEcxBzVpeXYOFIqF Ci7Npx0+l4CfNoT+EIxZ =9ut6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Jacob Appelbaum's 29C3 keynote
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/30/2012 10:33 PM, André Rebentisch wrote: Am 30.12.2012 22:31, schrieb Gregory Foster: ~6:30 - Jacob asks for a show of hands of those who had seen Frank Rieger and Rop Gonggrijp's talks. I couldn't count myself among those who had, so here's that information. I remember that I was quite a bit annoyed by their defaitism. *** Thank you Gregory for that useful compilation. Yes André, and Jake's speech was very inspiring. I felt very confident in the work I've been doing over the last year, trying to enable a critical mass of free software developers in the field of social networking. (Shameless self-promotion:) It gave birth to the GNU/consensus project[1], which was launched yesterday, after a two-months hickup. I'm looking forward to work with like-minded initiative from NLnet Foundation's Michiel Leenaars that was also announced at 29C3, during a lightning talk: http://NetworkEffectAlliance.org/ In the same vein of optimist projects, http://movecommons.org/ seems interesting. Jake, did you get any hugs? I asked around to give you some on my behalf. I'm your fanboy :) Happy GNU year, == hk [1] Toward a GNU Consensus on Free Software for Social Networking https://gnu.org/consensus -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQ4gKvAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTwtUP/izfFS2vXhKgsHQ/b9+kSJyC iu2rhYF2/avMoHOaeK9nIOv7kknE1ar15XQGpqHT3yeixAeH9ZXsPHAz44P8Vvuu CPAopxsxRIrvtI3HUvOzC3cc5eU8sSM8GGFci9rjIdLFrVq/t1YjH5Mo9t+O6VYD gF7jx4IDWmSaOWsBZ0gUCUylz+FgpAJe+rfGXdyeYYM/KOcfJHnbNGwYn5I5hMCi UGhccfejelZ6yuow32VfDLh94xS5oXGGusNwe9UPtcEB4rfoMgZdj1DSQiCC0WsA 4Ykq7cRepQ5/Y9AcFSGyt5IzU6YbHKjiBd6dDEaU+dK5sXyG4F7qoPyhBNfwlIsD f0Pl6nqZL/E2lLB2PNhXUpoZOQz24fXTzcLdjEkiJshnhj6nLhItBKxpgXm+jd7e IzEcvLAWycqFwQLVDN7S7dAKPdbvLPNkEx/u0mnRFsvnDqdJd0QQz6EPK/EqdmJk JL5SE8xEghh4slGYQXh23a9ihE82e8vG1vMWE6ctbBO4FK96f437KEjn/llqveQr eh/rOn5rRdHNK7p7SnhsNkCk9jE2oT0jsmr30Z4+vDnr2dnCqQig7PEy+nuKZPm8 z8eHtDF6nsDMg9nfqG6s/86iqbPk+sV5TLBwvsNPQ/gPUAZ14xzJUqQhM4A8cn/x WlkGqU9XwplUtLTb1zl/ =b+3D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Jacob Appelbaum's 29C3 keynote
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/31/2012 08:41 PM, André Rebentisch wrote: What do you think about F2F networking models? *** In the GNU/consensus Manifesto[1], I wrote the following: Social Networking Some people conflate social networks, which are the aggregate of relationships that humans have, with online social network services such as Facebook and, arguably, G+ ? Howard Rheingold Too often, the term social network is used interchangeably with social network services, implying that the services themselves provide the social network. But that's plain wrong: the social network is a human cultural phenomenon, and a network service can at best facilitate it. Cheers, == hk [1] https://gnu.org/consensus/manifesto -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQ4iZRAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTtkwP/2Jpvh/pcMGXEjKZyKi6I98Q 1I4vJyaqq0lYYeDVDQkoArnHjCnrEfTCBLtO90zix8Rv2Pu1zCfvYWb8rfZOhRqJ DvojfMwERSp1f1KC2yJVphDW1RZte84fLYMLgiQWaKa1WcrHCtScCn08izSSR3zD IGCTeIdOVoYqmAE00Mma5k9Avh3looIY6/XQr6Cj36XwxXy0blrQMvxLDQGz9Pp1 WxfJbzwNnRSMnhgr4IotJBlKnnqcA+mSmqz/EJJHeQlwQCfVwaWLikPnxrzcdAqm BvufeFliywhI2EkAEOHAF/bwkaEu/Y+DYyW55H8MdbM0OJ17mhIN6WhpzpyMU3yv c8Ekay84qYAFy4ZYEaJpduIj2bwK4Qp6QydVO/gfyeC7p1FpKzKn5fgfCGq4uEOQ LJH5GRjf7Y9JIkTO/gSwEsA+3lt7gHuerD4JjObigFER4Dd4rgE7GZN2Bj5BiBDT gNT1g98vPxK3Yd+PwHK5qnjUZwczhIhEADDZ5YXZR0DRG8bV1/7QdbGXPrxAdua+ 5MrW5Vp2FKT7DmmBh9SnBt3E66hYUSii9e4Dx1AiD0ErBdpXUJov1Ij19bILogK4 r943ONDmCBvWm6ud1bSFIYNLuwByx+ApeyrjPK8CpJWLxzioyakiXEaSu+oyZbA9 3wN4Jk+sius09QBtYGaD =v5t2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Mailvelope: OpenPGP Encryption for Webmail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/11/2012 05:29 AM, Hannes Mehnert wrote: I'm interested whether there is any comparison (code-base wise or feature wise) with the (unfortunately discontinued) FireGPG (http://getfiregpg.org) *** WebPG was created after FireGPG was discontinued. Did anyone on this list already reviewed it? http://webpg.org/ == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQylJHAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTO7MP/A9YfWXMHG7llpwNbKIOKJ0B Bo5JzBameBQGKvVYiEm16clEBct7XGOQCZwY2nfvVO52o85hhXJ+RELTpZOZAmsT hOh6NLoGbOLzDotXX1AOlbsfLMivvsIL0j4+eCZpyKY57py2kH+TCXnDFgEn/7V0 ZzfdZeKbuBp9CeaTbEK4+uZEe+VswIsfhRe6ILMcxDxlfNcTBvtV9UA7v7WzbvCO a/ReywxOy3JRP0OquH06UPcup+qlR4Xd3LxdQYxFyf0rbuOzPArv6oB7tlO6mYTU fm8UY7nn5hchMNw9xGhTAfH5Dn6dK8ekaGR+wO7H/WHdLZfYRpEnp4zPbrYdjvi4 Ueslv6vsCSA+abWRfdv1nQCmmVHNJHS3eLqOVAomkYnNUlyzcjvtcoERiQkTxjNV vSIgbJlbeXLDgBRydaGuQkO4yO0kJVKACKgSDwNC8Z43e0fy41zZJDLssuokyE/f pjgZEayKEeUqzNw5U9XpXcVQ8IyQqnylWH67vk96T0bse93STtQDDssHUMcXotpa sr7THAsV2XXwA1cRrTghaUUGknnWOqM2zwSe6pizy9gnOvrbyo4rNE9reK173MoJ EFKOyEFken3nKOd5GhNq+paqB9AMXPwedoDVMcZIR0OAHd6CUQbg8i0EYcQEhIrO 4jWizOv8mWJhnuoacXm8 =2lCW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
