Re: [liberationtech] Outside of the list/listmembers is Libtech basically private, or basically public? WAS - Re: Urgent question
Probably others like me not infrequently tweet links discussed on this list when they are items of general interest (e.g., job listings, security advisories, etc.). But out of general privacy/respect concerns, I basically don't tweet who emailed the links and, exceptions tautologically aside, I don't tweet people's opinions, comments, etc., since my take is that people's conversations on an email list aren't the same as developed, well-articulated, public-facing opinions. Of course one should always mind what one says; here's looking at you, George Friedman! If anyone has any concerns, do let me know. ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
[liberationtech] Outside of the list/listmembers is Libtech basically private, or basically public? WAS - Re: Urgent question
I believe we have also agreed, generally, as a community, that the content here should not be shared broadly outside the list, or consider on the record unless you request the consent of the initial poster. I hope others will state whether they think this is the case, or not? I know that the community is online and so not secure but i believe it should be considered private to the community as a matter of courtesy. I hope others will jump in with their thoughts as well! Brian On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Greg Norcie g...@norcie.com wrote: Sam makes a great point. In general, it is a best practice to assume that anything posted to a mailing list like this (or any other form of social media) is public, regardless of any privacy settings. Even if the list is not indexed by the maintainers, any member could choose to copy the messages sent to the list, and post them on the public web. However, I do believe that this list does not make the subscriber list publicly available, so if someone wants to sign up and lurk, as long as they do not post, their identity would not be known to anyone other than the admins. -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 6/4/12 9:12 PM, Sam King wrote: ...any privacy you're getting is just security through obscurity. ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech -- Brian Conley Director, Small World News http://smallworldnews.tv m: 646.285.2046 Skype: brianjoelconley public key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEEF938A1DBDD587http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xE827FACCB139C9F0 ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Outside of the list/listmembers is Libtech basically private, or basically public? WAS - Re: Urgent question
Brian, Yes, I agree that the community believes these things. The problem is that a malicious actor could sign up for the list and forward messages posted to it. The admins allow freemail users to subscribe, so this is a credible attack vector. While I trust the members of the community would not violate the spirit of the list, unfortunately we cannot guard against malicious outsiders while maintaining the open spirit that the list currently has. -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 6/4/12 9:49 PM, Brian Conley wrote: I believe we have also agreed, generally, as a community, that the content here should not be shared broadly outside the list, or consider on the record unless you request the consent of the initial poster. I hope others will state whether they think this is the case, or not? I know that the community is online and so not secure but i believe it should be considered private to the community as a matter of courtesy. I hope others will jump in with their thoughts as well! Brian ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Outside of the list/listmembers is Libtech basically private, or basically public? WAS - Re: Urgent question
from our list policy: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Liberationtech is a moderated but open list, which means that anyone can join. As a friendly reminder, please take the necessary security and privacy precautions such as using pseudonyms, fake email addresses, https, and anonymizer software especially if you intend to discuss items of a sensitive nature. Two particularly robust applications are https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere https://www.torproject.org/. --t On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Greg Norcie g...@norcie.com wrote: Brian, Yes, I agree that the community believes these things. The problem is that a malicious actor could sign up for the list and forward messages posted to it. The admins allow freemail users to subscribe, so this is a credible attack vector. While I trust the members of the community would not violate the spirit of the list, unfortunately we cannot guard against malicious outsiders while maintaining the open spirit that the list currently has. -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 6/4/12 9:49 PM, Brian Conley wrote: I believe we have also agreed, generally, as a community, that the content here should not be shared broadly outside the list, or consider on the record unless you request the consent of the initial poster. I hope others will state whether they think this is the case, or not? I know that the community is online and so not secure but i believe it should be considered private to the community as a matter of courtesy. I hope others will jump in with their thoughts as well! Brian ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Outside of the list/listmembers is Libtech basically private, or basically public? WAS - Re: Urgent question
Regarding community standards, I think that it depends on context. For instance, when someone posts an event or a job listing to this list, I will often forward it on under the assumption that people want it to be public, but I typically don't forward on any discussions of security or particular countries or current events under the assumptions that the people involved would consider that private-ish. Greg does bring up a good point regarding community standards versus security, though. Sam King Director | Code the Change http://codethechange.org - we have a Code Jam for social good coming up! Teacher | CS1U: Practical Unix http://cs1u.stanford.edu - videos and exercises are available free online! facebook https://www.facebook.com/samjking, linkedinhttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=55518052, twitter http://twitter.com/codethechange, google+https://plus.google.com/111459971983433860521, verbose letters http://stanford.edu/~samking/personal/ On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote: I believe we have also agreed, generally, as a community, that the content here should not be shared broadly outside the list, or consider on the record unless you request the consent of the initial poster. I hope others will state whether they think this is the case, or not? I know that the community is online and so not secure but i believe it should be considered private to the community as a matter of courtesy. I hope others will jump in with their thoughts as well! Brian On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Greg Norcie g...@norcie.com wrote: Sam makes a great point. In general, it is a best practice to assume that anything posted to a mailing list like this (or any other form of social media) is public, regardless of any privacy settings. Even if the list is not indexed by the maintainers, any member could choose to copy the messages sent to the list, and post them on the public web. However, I do believe that this list does not make the subscriber list publicly available, so if someone wants to sign up and lurk, as long as they do not post, their identity would not be known to anyone other than the admins. -- Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 6/4/12 9:12 PM, Sam King wrote: ...any privacy you're getting is just security through obscurity. ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech -- Brian Conley Director, Small World News http://smallworldnews.tv m: 646.285.2046 Skype: brianjoelconley public key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEEF938A1DBDD587http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xE827FACCB139C9F0 ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click yes (once you click above) next to would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
