Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Building or bibisecting

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:23 AM, V Stuart Foote  wrote:
> Sophi, *
>
> Build on Linux but only when patching.
>
> Routinely bisect against my archive of daily pulls of Windows TBs.
>
> I don't run a bibisect git repo (though I probably should invest in setting
> up the Windows flavor since we seem short there).

FYI:

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/?filter=bibisect

bibisect-macosx-64-5.0
bibisect-macosx-64-5.1
bibisect-win32-5.0
bibisect-win32-5.1


the bibisect repo for the 5.2 epoch have been started on both windows
and mac... they are not published to gerrit yet, as there is still
fairly few commit in them at this point...
These are built, as a on-going ci-task using
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=lode.git;a=blob;f=bin/build_bibisect;h=f14aea4368b3e1dca35cbce43eece0089d7d26d9;hb=refs/heads/master

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Michael Meeks
 wrote:
> + 'make check' run by CI ? (Michael)
> + could we have this for Linux ?
> + run by dbgutil tinderbox - no all platforms (Norbert)
>+ need to run the numbers
>+ may be able to run the linux dbgutil make-check too.
>+ 4x targets
> + good news - Windows 30mins on average for gerrit.
>+ Linux  - 10 to 15mins ...
> AI: + try this for Linux (Norbert)
>+ not for windows this year.
>

to clarify: Jenkins tinderbox build _do_ run make check already on all platforms
the question is about having Gerrit build do the same.
Right now gerrit build do release build accross the board, doing 3
build (1 per platform) per gerrit change-set
since Windows gerrit build takes about 30 minutes and linux/mac take
in average less than half than.. it should be possible to add a debug
build for linux and maybe mac, without limiting the over throughput.
Doing so will require some work on the client wrapper script and
jenkins conf to pass argument and to migrate gerrit build to
distro-config driven configuration (done already or tinderboxes)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: Adding new Status for 'abandoned' bugs?

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
>>
>> Insufficient Data though can also be used for situations where a bug can
>> not be reproduced due to, well, insufficient data.. i.e. happened one
>> time crash and no stack trace, no exact steps to reproduce, even if the
>> reporter was or would be willing to provide ... all cases where
>> WORKSFORME sounds a bit odd and lax (which is a valid resolution if the
>> given steps do not lead to the described failure), but ABANDONED
>> wouldn't fit either, IMHO..
> True - I'm happy with either of them. I'm not so sure this will tame the
> rude users from going on rants about having to provide sufficient
> information but it's a start :)

I do not care either about the exact wording... the only point I'm
looking to improve upon is that
'Works for me' is a cop-out and is bound to put the recipient in a bad
mood even a willing and cooperative reporter.
I'd like wording that reflect that the bug is not just 'ignored' or
the report dismissed, but that it cannot be acted upon, due to
a lack of follow up by the reporter or other in position to reproduce,
or due to an apparent
impossibility to reproduce coupled with a lack of exploitable data
from the original report.

Yes it won't prevent some of the outburst we see on occasion, but at
least it won't feed the beast
either.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisecting: Over 1000 bibisects served!

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Stephan Bergmann  wrote:
> On 10/16/2015 11:40 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
>>
>> A big thanks to everyone who's been helping us out with bibisection of
>> regressions, and a hearty congratulations to Terrence Enger for being
>> the lucky one to perform the 1000th one (and the 1001st one, too)!
>
>
> A reminder when updating a bug with information about a successful
> bibisecting:  Do not only paste the commit message of the first bad bibisect
> repo commit, but:  "please [also] provide either the commit message of the
> (last good) commit in the bibisect repo directly preceding this [first bad]
> commit, or at least the URL of the bibisect repo (so I can determine that
> preceding commit myself).  (Individual commits in bibisect repos often
> correspond to a range of source commits, so it is always important to know
> that full range.)"
> ()

on Mac and Windows bibisect, the bibisect commit list all the source
commit sha since the previous bibisect commit,
hence solving that problem.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Markus Mohrhard
markus.mohrh...@googlemail.com wrote:


 AI: + will have a look at the CppUnit to implement 'expected failure'
 (Jan-Marek)
 + Cpp logs are e.g. in
 workdir/CppunitTest/sal_rtl_math.test.log



 That is already possible with cppunit. Instead of using CPPUNIT_TEST use
 CPPUNIT_TEST_FAIL which tells cppunit that the test is expected to fail with
 a cppunit exception being thrown (it is extensively used in the cppunit
 internal unit tests). The test will start to fail when none of the asserts
 fail anymore. Keep in mind that it might be dangerous to use this with more
 than one assertion as an unexpected one might fail.


That is not exactly what tha aim is...
the aim is to have a failure be repport as such and not stop
everything.. when a test is tagged as _can fail_ or something
this is when a test is added before the fix

also the minutes claim that cppunit log exist.. it is true they do,
but they are not exploitable.
I would like to be able to repport at the end of the build a nice recap

module section nb_of_test #sucess #skipped #failed
for each failed
spacetestname : FAILED (optionally one line reason)

the minute point to
workdir/CppunitTest/sal_rtl_math.test.log
which contains:
OK (3)

but  writerperfect_writer.test.log fro instance
contain 12027 lines.. most of it random trace messages, and I could
not find any way to parse (at all, even less reliably) that thing to
extract any useful information.

maybe it is just a matter of using
http://cppunit.sourceforge.net/doc/1.8.0/class_cpp_unit_1_1_xml_outputter.html
and then adding a (optional) post processing step in the build to
generate a nice summary

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 there is no excuse to not run 'make check' anymore at least before
 pushing -- if there ever was one.

you mean beside the fact that make check fails on Windows _and_ Mac ?
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Michael Meeks
michael.me...@collabora.com wrote:

 + Windows 64 status (David O)
+ all fine, poking some Base test with Stephan
+ an OLE test, failing on some machines not others;
  environment dependent. Thorsten's machine doesn't crash.

That is the exception not the rule.
I could not get a build to finish, and cloph also reproduce the ole bug.
Until Win64 can reliably build, I can't pull that platform under
jenkins/gerrit-build

(Not that I could right this minutes anyway, still working on bring
hardware online to cope with growing demand)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Norbert Thiebaud wrote
 + The points where we think there _may_ be still some issue that need
 actual user-gui testing (like VclPtr) can be tested just as well with
 a Beta release.

 For these reasons tweaking/reducing the beta-period is not warranted.

 Fair enough.

 What is VclPtr? I could not find any reference to it in the Release Notes.

it is a fairly big, and potentially disruptive _internal_ change. it
has no user-visible attributes
it is about how vlc objects  -- vcl is the visual components library,
which is responsible for the abstraction of just about anything that
make its way on your screen --
life cycle is handled.


 Which items need user testing?
every windows, every dialog, every tabs, in general an as complete as
possible exercise of any gui item,
as this change _can_ reveal life-cycle management issue with these
objects.. in case of problems, the symptom will likely be 'crash'

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisect Requests

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:52 PM,  dk...@torfree.net wrote:
 Quoting Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com:

 I've also put together a 'sample of a bibisect for Windows
 git://gerrit.libreoffice.org/bibisect-win32-5.0
 about 400MB


 I have cloned the repo onto Windows Vista.  However, with both
 oldest and the latest versions, I observe:

 (*) instdir/program/soffice.exe reports The program cannot find the
 file specified..

it of course works locally here.. and I cloned it on a windows 2012 r2
and it worked there...
humm... the usual message is The _system_ cannot find the file specified
is it that that you are seeing:
http://www.drivethelife.com/windows-drivers/how-to-fix-the-system-cannot-find-the-file-specified.html
?
if so check for permission... and possibly:
start a console, cd to where soffice.exe is and run soffice.exe there


 (*) instdir/program/soffice.bin reports The application failed to
 start because sal3.dll was not found  However,
 instdir/URE/bin/sal3.dll does exist.

that does not work here either (same error). I do not think that is
expected to work.


 (*) There is no file instdir/program/bootstrap.rc, which I expected to
 edit w.r.t. UserInstallation.  Or, is this expectation good only
 for Linux?

Absolutely no ideas... but there is a bootstrap.ini, maybe that serve
the same purpose on Windows ?
but surely one would hope that one does not have to tweak it to run,
that would make using bibisect quite cumbersome

---


Thanks for the feedback.
I was concerned about something like that, hence the test run...
I am not a windows user.. I have no ideas about what things should
look like, and very little idea how to debug that things, beyond what
google says.
I just worked based on the hypothesis that instdir was runnable and
transportable...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... - correction ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Kohei Yoshida
kohei.yosh...@collabora.com wrote:

 And also, my comment was never meant as a criticism of someone not
 doing the job.  It was rather a simple piece of feedback that I hoped
 would be useful for future hackfest planning.

 So, let's not take this as a failure please.  We had a successful
 hackfest, and everybody chipped in what they could.  No need to paint
 this negatively.


I would like to add, in a more general sens: the point of these ESC
call is, in big part, to discuss and review 'pain points', thinks that
are causing trouble, hindering work, etc... and to try to find
practical and actionable solutions to re-mediate, improve things... it
is never to 'assign blame'.

So, to all readers of the minutes out there, always assume the former
not the later :-)

Norbert.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bacchanaly around Bug 81041

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would like to receive some
 explanations about faggots and snitches in its public-faced parts
 being the QA community.

 What sort of answer do you expect? You want us to escalate on non sense?

OK sophie, I'm convinced...
As I said before I can stomach quite a bit of trolling on users@ and discuss@
but BZ and libreoffice-qa@ are place where serious work is done and
volunteer here should not have to waste their time dealing with that
nonsense.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Michael Meeks
michael.me...@collabora.com wrote:
 + need to get bugzilla migration bits under gerrit so we can get 
 patches.
 + QA team eager to help out.

It is already. I have added a bugzilla repo under gerrit to track
upstream with prod/test/dev branches.
I need to update the salt script to pull from that repo rather than
use the upstream tar.gz.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Meeks
michael.me...@collabora.com wrote:

 * Editeng indexing change (Norbert/Kohei)
 + spell-checking currently broken in master, but works in 4.2
 AI  + have a look into it (Norbert)

Done

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.0 RC1 available

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Christian,

 I used the regular (32-bit) build, which the download page suggested,
 and which I have always used. Should I be using the 64-bit build? I'll
 try that today.

both should work for 10.9... I would just like a confirmation that the
64 bits build works (which I think it does... as the problem seems to
be tied to the signing of the Python Framework.. which is not
delivered in the 64 bits build (unnecessary since the target 10.8+
already have a suitable system python)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Git error with bibisect40

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Terrence Enger ten...@iseries-guru.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 23:14 +0700, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote:
 Hello Ken, all,

 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ken Biondi kenbio...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Unfortunately neither git checkout . nor git clean -fd, git reset
 --hard
  solved my problem.

 I wonder what is your output of git status.

 Anyway, I would try delete everything except one .git/ hidden folder,
 and do git checkout oldest.

 I have added Ken's pair of commands from his earlier email and his
 recommendation from below to the wiki, with no more explanation than
 if one does not solve the problem, try the next.
 The change:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=QA%
 2FHowToBibisectaction=historysubmitdiff=81218oldid=81064;
 the result:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Installed_LibreOffice_became_modified_unexpectedly.


 Note: I didn't try bibisect40 yet, so this may not work. :-)

 Several times along the way, I have resorted to the extreme measure of
 deleting the directory with the bibisect repository and extracting it
 again from the tarfile.  That is perhaps the ultimate repair.


provide that you do have a .git directory in there

then rm -fr * (will delete everything but .git /.gitignore and othe .* files)
then
git checkout newest  (assuming that the repo has a 'newest' tag)
should bring you back in a 'sane state'
then again maybe you are in the middle of a bisection.. then git
bisect --reset may help
it is a bit hard to fix thing 'blind'.. but assuredly it is fixable...
it is just a matter of understanding in what state your tree is

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I felt like I was working hard to go through appropriate channels.
 Perhaps if I'd spent more time I could've gotten more input from other
 groups, but at this point I feel like I've already spent a ton of time
 on just this one little piece.

Yeah, you did well. I'm sorry I apparently started a bikeshed on this...
I have missed ESC of nov 21st (my fault), but 'the guys doing the work
should choose'
is not 'the guys doing the work should organize a beauty pageant election'
On the dev side we are not used to 'vote'. decisions are usually just
taken. When there is some controversy, the interested parties expose
the merit of their respective positions, explaining the rational for
their choice (and I mean _rational_ not _feelings_).
That usually lead to either a compromise to address each other points,
or the parties rallying around the rational of one side (we all have
'opinions' on anything when asked... but more often than not we do not
_care_ that much about a given topic, so unless we have a strong
argument to offer we usually do not demand that our opinions be
counted as strongly as the one of the people intimately involved with
the work and problems associated with it.. iow 'pick your battle
wisely'  :-) )), or more often a combination of both.
in 3 years we where driven to a vote only once.. and even then that
was more to have each position 'on the record'.

So in that light I would point out again the criteria _I_ think are
relevant for the name here:
1/ short. the summary commit message is the 1st line of a commit
message, and is limited to 80 chars (72 preferred), and when a commit
refer to a bug we want the bug reference in that message.
2/ obvious meaning and easy to remember and type, as much as possible.

The opposition I've seen so far to lo# are centered around 'it can be
confused with the abbreviation of the product'. I think that is a
feature not a bug.
in the context of bugzilla the use will always be lo#number the #
make it clear that it is a bug number and remove any ambiguity...
furtheremore these _are_ libreoffice bugs.. lo = libreoffice, # = bug
here.  So, other abbreviation may have merit, and may prevails, but
discarding lo# for that reason seems a red herring to me.

for reference a quick grep of the log message give use the following uses:

fdo#
deb#
n#n
#inn#
rhbz#nn
CID#n
cp#
bnc#
abi#
i#
#n#
lp#n

and a mix bag of some mistyped variations thereof (like #fdo)


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Git error with bibisect40

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Ken Biondi kenbio...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 While attempting bibisect I got the following error:


  ken@ubuntu:/media/LACIE/LO-Bibisect/Bibi4/bibisect40$ git checkout oldest
  error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by 
 checkout:
  opt/CREDITS.odt
  opt/LICENSE.odt
  .
  .
  .
  opt/program/libodbclo.so
  opt/pr
Aborting

 Any ideas on how to fix this?  I tried git reset --hard to no avail.

git clean -fd
git reset --hard

should do the trick

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Up at the top of your email you said:
 I'm sorry I apparently started a bikeshed on this...

 ...but the length and breadth of your email belies that
 characterization of this particular decision about abbreviations. This
 is clearly not a bikeshed decision, or you and Mat would (hopefully)
 not be so invested in what abbreviation is chosen.

A bikeshed is when we have very long discusion about something due to
the fact that it is a 'simple' problem, hence everyone feel is his
qualified to give some input...
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
And yes, I'm guilty of it here... so I'll leave it be for now... if we
end up with xkcd# or lobz# I'll be annoyed, but I'll get over it :-D

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net wrote:
 Please notify when it is uploded. The version I downloaded at 8:45 CET (15
 mins ago) still had the problem.

yes i cancelled it midway as it was unclear that it was related to an
upload problem (and upload are long and expensive from here)

I will run more test and build variation here to identify the issue..
cloph will announce when things are back in order...
but due to the time it takes to do a full lang=all build this may take
a day or so...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net wrote:
 I guess there should be a small announcement for bughunters that OS X
 version will follow later, so there will not be much frustration.

I suspect that the problem is with code-signing of non-release
build... I will prolly just disable the code-signing for the beta2...
that way I can get it out the door quickly and have a bit of time to
check/verify that assertion before RC1.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

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unsigned 4.2 beta2 is uploaded.. the language pack are being
uploaded.. ETA another 45 minutes or so to finish all the language
pack and the sdk

Norbert

PS: note that is on the pre-release section .. cloph would have to
propagate that to the mirror somehow (/me does not know how that
works)
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net wrote:
 Hi, Norbert,

 as you can read from bug report, I am running it on 10.9, the system that
 majority or at least a big number of LO users on OS X will want to run it
 on.

and as I said below.. I _did_ download the beta2 build to a 10.9 and I
did test it there before uploading.. it worked fine

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com wrote:

  * lo
 1st rank. YES!
...
  * lobz
 No, too long. Lobster, anyone?

 From my view of a developer who has to type and squeeze these into the
 alreay short enough commit summary line.

 Hi all -- thank you for voting! For those of you who haven't yet
 voted...do it! We'll close the voting process at the next QA call.

 Here's a quick summary of how the votes have been cast so far:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal#We.27re_now_voting.21.21.21

 The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
 messages),

Yeah, and it is the dev that have to type it a lot, no ?

but by a wide margin the only 4-char abbreviation in the
 list has taken an early lead.
Sure, but if you were to ask that question on the dev-ml rather than
here.. I'd bet you you'd get many more vote for lo#

Norbert

PS: btw I don't see the appeal to want to stick characters in there to
re-inforce the idea that it is a bugzilla number... the # in it is
sufficient enough to make that clear
so the b/bz stuff is not only a waste of space.. but also completely
redundant. it is like climbing up or descending down...
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:

 The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
 messages),

 Yeah, and it is the dev that have to type it a lot, no ?

 Sure -- and people on the Ask site, and QA people in FDO...err
 insert abbreviation here, etc..

sure but the dev need to use the canonical abbreviation because we
have bot that use them to detect association between commit and bugs
that is not the case on Ask for instance

 Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
 at regressions on LO
 Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO = Joel, go take a look
 at regressions on LOBZ

How many place could one possibly be looking for 'regression' ... what
confusing meaning lo could have in this context... beside you could
use libreoffice bugzilla or 'salt mines' in that context it would not
matter much... it is human to human interractions... the issue is that
dev have to put stuff in their commit message to talk to Bot
so one cannot be as creative there :-)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Norbert Thiebaud
 nthieb...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net wrote:
 Hi, Norbert,

 as you can read from bug report, I am running it on 10.9, the system that
 majority or at least a big number of LO users on OS X will want to run it
 on.

 and as I said below.. I _did_ download the beta2 build to a 10.9 and I
 did test it there before uploading.. it worked fine

 Norbert

 I have received the same error message that Martin reports. I'm using
 OS X 10.9. I'll add this to the bug report.


So I downloaded it from the tdf website and I too get the issue..
I will re-upload the correct version and see how it goes

 --Jean
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
 sure but the dev need to use the canonical abbreviation because we
 have bot that use them to detect association between commit and bugs
 that is not the case on Ask for instance

 technically speaking, the bot could recognize lo# as well as lobz#,
 but I am strongly of the opinion that we should have just one
 abbreviation! :-)

Agreed.. no argument there :-)


 I think I'll start using 'salt mines' as a euphemism from now on...

:-D , I thought you'd like it :-)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta1 test builds available

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Italo Vignoli it...@italovignoli.com wrote:
 On 23/11/13 17:47, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

 Hi, I have downloaded and installed the Mac version, but once installed
 - apparently without problems - when I double click the icon I get the
 message that the program is damaged and should be thrashed.

Did you install a language-pack ? _before_ running Libreoffice for the
first time ?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta1 test builds available

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Italo Vignoli it...@italovignoli.com wrote:
 On 04/12/13 17:12, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:

 Did you install a language-pack ? _before_ running Libreoffice for the
 first time ?

 To install LO 4.2 Beta you must get rid of the security check for
 applications, and allow applications downloaded from everywhere. Beta is
 probably not yet signed.

actually it _is_ signed...
it is not a --enable-release-build yet... (which change the name for
LODev.app to LibreOffice.app)
but I do have --enable-macsox-code-signing='' in the conf I use to
do the release build

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[Libreoffice-qa] MacOSX bibisect for 4-2

[Norbert Thiebaud]

a bibisect repo covering the 4-2 period from the branch point of the
4.1 release branch to few days ago on the libreoffcie-4-2 branch is
now available at

git://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/bibisect_mac_lo42.git

a tar.bz2 snapshot of the repo is available for http download at
http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/MacOS_Bibibsect/

That repo contains 2732 build for 5.42 GB
starting at
commit 02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4
Author: Noel Grandin n...@peralex.com
Date:   Tue May 21 13:52:07 2013 +0200

fdo#46808, Convert oox::PowerPointExport service to new style

The service already existed, it just needed an IDL file

Change-Id: I1404f4f60abafd489ddfb7294affcc7ff33885ce

and ending at

commit 80373a6969fd8d3c19231041e465372cf03f53f2
Author: Markus Mohrhard markus.mohrh...@googlemail.com
Date:   Sun Dec 1 04:45:36 2013 +0100

fix 2D vs 3D coordinatesystem regression, fdo#67300

regression from 088e86b865062dd4cc5ba0c85c6068dea62238db

Note the log of that repo looks like:

commit c5b9a799f9d24eba970966f1afabfe931574e933
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Tue Dec 3 12:48:46 2013 -0600

source sha:80373a6969fd8d3c19231041e465372cf03f53f2

source sha:80373a6969fd8d3c19231041e465372cf03f53f2
source sha:666ef5425e4e7e1a01c3dddbd0d847fec193176a
source sha:b9410131861af3a5f54d0585dfc47e5f512e0320
source sha:d0f664014d02e02fbcfa80c118a0950f45513ada
source sha:5ce4d7233fa3ea627cfbdc97a68d2b23e4abd057
source sha:1fee10725dbd62e78fd3ae14f0bd7872eabff3f9
source sha:78f227e1371ef4d11bc98e2116a3b95bb881b020
source sha:642df5d716f858f1f6b3d6219132c3323032975a
source sha:79384a8f6049d10fd581e782deb57db653ac1a25
source sha:ca1dfd2119d97f949e76766b98d2917c40ccf92c

commit 91bba033d12008dcefb0258b79365668a557e04b
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Tue Dec 3 12:48:00 2013 -0600

source sha:829621680b028909d58b0480a78a6aee7154f31a

source sha:829621680b028909d58b0480a78a6aee7154f31a
source sha:be6bed2ca4083039bfcbd62f9603efa3a0bdd3dc
source sha:7646af0e114d0a644e4705bba3ab4219bb99a349
source sha:3367381d2b579d90b209756f9ec5c06b012e9798
source sha:6e5dc4c7a344d9c3530a69537929090dedb8f275


where the first source sha: line is the source cha that was used to
build that particular bibisect commit
and the rest of the commit message list the source commit that are
between taht bibisect commit and the previous bibisect commit

To find a bibisect commit that first contain a given source sha, you
can therefore use

git log --grep source_sha

to find the source sha asocaited witht he first commit of the bibisect repo do
git log --grep BEGIN_BIBISECT

v $git log --grep BEGIN_BIBISECT
commit e47ec366529846e008a4db27c8c507cdc7714c78
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Nov 10 19:12:32 2013 -0600

source sha:02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4

source sha:02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4
tag:BEGIN_BIBISECT


Happy bibisecting

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:12 AM, bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 06:51:55PM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 The nice thing with putting everything under a LibreOffice
 bugtracker for now is that if in the future we do decide to migrate
 bugtracking for TDF-specific web infra to a separate instance, that's
 going to be a much smaller and simpler piece.

 This was what I was thinking of, yep.

I think that should not be 'in the future'. from the start the
libreoffice bugzilla should be libreoffice centric.
tdf-infra has it's own ways and likely will have way different
workflow than lo wrt the handling of these..
and yes, tdf is likely to one day have other product under its
umbrella, so not repeating the fdo situation, just somewhere else...
would be wise.

With the expeirence of setting a large bugzilla up likewe need... it
should not be that hard to creat a separate instance for infra...and
in the future a separate instance for other project that may come
along


Norbert

Note: that is why using lo/libo prefix is not only not an issue but in
fact desirable to associate strongly the bugzilla instance with the
product it tracks...
and as bjoern said.. the prefix is really lo#  and every instance
would be lo# that cannot be confuse with the porduct itself
anymore that fdo#nnn can be confused with fdo the org.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

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On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:21 AM, bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 07:09:06AM -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 With the expeirence of setting a large bugzilla up likewe need... it
 should not be that hard to creat a separate instance for infra...and
 in the future a separate instance for other project that may come
 along

 Im pretty certain infra wont go with bugzilla though -- currently their
 favourite is RedMine.

Yeah, they are notorious for settling on obscure, never heard of (and
never heard of again :-) ) tools, like OTRS, sphynx, etc... :-D

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds

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On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM, bfoman bfo.bugm...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
 Hi!
 Apart from availability of daily builds is it possible to increase the
 storage space available for tinderbox builds? Seems currently only 14 latest
 builds of each branch are available (when all works like expected). This
 doesn't allow to think about building any regression/bisect script/tool
 (based on SI-GUI?) for Windows, which would download a build, install it,
 ask a question, save answer, download earlier build if needed etc.

that is what bibisect repo are for.
downloading 100 to 200MB per iteration is not a nice solution for anyone.
bibsect repo are bigger to start with.. so the initial setup is
slower... but after that the bisection can be done completely offline
I do not have data for windows.. but for mac, I'm putting the
finishing touch to a bibisect repo for the 4-2 series... which contain
so far 2559 builds for 5GB.


iow such nice gui wrapper should really use a bibisect repo under the
cover rather than downloading daily builds...

of course windows pose 'special' challenge... a bibisect repo for
windows should not accumulate msi fiels as they do not lend themself
well to compression in git
but SI-GUI could probably be tauch to use a 'pre-installed' version...
doing wahtever tweak windows need in the cover to fake a 'real'
install when one switch from one version to the other in the bibisect
repo

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Annouce: Bibisect for MACOSX

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On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:

 You say the TDF tb box -- do you mean multiple boxes?

yes

 They will upload their install-dir (tar.gz) in a staging area in tdf infra
 and these will be stitched together later...

 automatically, I hope? The QA Team has been expecting that daily
 builds would be available promptly in bibisect repos.

semi-automatically... that is automatically but with human
supervision... has mishap need to be caugh and fixed early

I imagine that there would be a log of a few days... maybe a week
between the head of a branch and the bibisect repo..
if for no other reason that git gc does a better job if it has many
loose object to compact, compression wise
and doing git gcc --aggressive to balance that once in a while is
prohibitively expensive... and as the repo become build, won;t even
run on most machines



 Interesting -- I'd assume that it would be roughly as easy to work
 with the tarballs as with the commits in the repo. Storing all of
 those builds individually might take a bit of space, but if we can
 manage it, I don't see a reason not to hang on to the source tarballs.

we can't..  2500 build for the 4-2 dev period... mutliplied by 200MB
taht is 500GB for Mac alone
and that is just for the period May-December 2013
that is 5GB in a bibisect repo...


 This will also allow.. in case a particular patch made the thing
 unbuildable for a while... to retrospectively re-build that section of
 the history using a 'patched' version at each step to avoid the the
 bug the prevented the build to start with...

 When you say re-build, if we're re-building from source, how would
 the tarballs help us?

because I can rebuild _some_ missing section... and stich the rest
using the tarball
I've been doing that dance for the past 3 weeks building the Mac bibisect



 My hope with bibisect is that we'll prevent any of the primary builds
 from breaking for weeks at a time. I think that there are enough
 Win/Mac/Linux people on the QA Team willing to test against the daily
 bibisect repos that we'll notice if the build breaks for even a couple
 of days.

no it won't. we already have tinderbox that send email when stuff
breaks.. but sometimes some tb are out-of-order, sometimes stuff get
overlooked, sometimes shit happens etc...

iow bibisect will not help us to detect that something does not
build... sicne we build far more often than we aggregate bibisect
build...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Annouce: Bibisect for MACOSX

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that the relationship would be 1 tb building into 1 bibisect
 repo;

Nope.
I intend to have the TDF tb box build a daily 'for bibisect' build
using a common config
once a day but at different time of the day...
They will upload their install-dir (tar.gz) in a staging area in tdf infra
and these will be stitched together later...
since they will not upload at the same speed and shit can happen... it
is safer to stage first... so that the stitching can be tweaked.
it is easier to script rebuilding a bibisect in part of in full using
the tar.gz of the build rather than /insert/delete/move some commit
after the fact

This will also allow.. in case a particular patch made the thing
unbuildable for a while... to retrospectively re-build that section of
the history using a 'patched' version at each step to avoid the the
bug the prevented the build to start with...
I have done this on master covering the 4-2 dev period... where some
patches broke the mac build for weeks at the time (on 10.6). the fixes
where often trivial so a simple git check-out + fix of a single file
was enough to still build... hence avoiding a 500+ commit range
without builds...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Annouce: Bibisect for MACOSX

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:17 AM, bjoern
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 06:04:25PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
 I just saw that you made this available on gerrit.libreoffice.org, it seems.
 Did you talk to the Infra guys about this? AFAIK, they had severe 
 reservations
 about doing such things wrt load and bandwidth on the machine.

 Whops, seems I got that wrong, it appears on Opengrok (why?), so I assumed it
 to be hosted on gerrit. Where is it actually hosted?

I've asked infra for a space for it...
Btw, it might be useful to consolidate bibisect related things there...

my intention is
have some tb upload tar.gz installation regularely in a dumping zone
per platform
have a cron to regularely.. scrupt these upload zone(*) and
consolidate things in a bibisect repo

Norbert


(*) but with a delay.. to insure that things stay in order
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Michael Meeks
michael.me...@collabora.com wrote:
 + who uses OTRS ? (Michael)
 + Bjoern / David / Norbert

I do not. That OTRS stuff was set-up by infra when gerrit came online.
I never asked for it, and find it utterly confusing.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM, bjoern
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:17:07AM -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 I do not. That OTRS stuff was set-up by infra when gerrit came online.
 I never asked for it, and find it utterly confusing.

 Thats not the point. The point is that:

Well, I was reponsding to reading:
 + who uses OTRS ? (Michael)
 + Bjoern / David / Norbert

I clarified that I do not _use_ OTRS.
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[Libreoffice-qa] Annouce: Bibisect for MACOSX

[Norbert Thiebaud]

 in place to do that using
the existing tinderbox rather than running for 3 weeks 24/7 on one
machine to catch-up :-)

FYI the bibisect_release has 54 version and he .git is 1.6 GB
the bibisect_42_dev repo has 2160 version so far... expected to be
~2500 by the time it is caugh-up. I'm not certain what the size will
be... but it looks like it could be 5-6GB

Note: the version are build as 'release'.. and the git repo contain
the resulting LibreOffice.app

I'm hoping to have a first version of that repo with everything up to
the libreoffice-4-2 branch point, uploaded by next week...

Note: that bibisect-43-dev repo will look like
commit 136674a206cb534c0c7219155b6c381d29723638
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Thu Nov 21 06:48:43 2013 -0600

source sha:69f08eda0bd999c827c76d3bf0b9c925b7eb25f7

source sha:69f08eda0bd999c827c76d3bf0b9c925b7eb25f7
source sha:2770de8b66e2f2a628ad0b6b00a66002c26b3cd7
source sha:4b139b8d939376be2f6e5ca3568b0ec875a3f834
source sha:e873440b49de8c9547e7c7029c3384372e2ba38a

commit 93a6705e65a6d783b58ba2c22f19d9bfc4e96ad1
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Thu Nov 21 06:47:32 2013 -0600

source sha:4b6445dba6bb5b2aed3edb4878ecb327446286e9

source sha:4b6445dba6bb5b2aed3edb4878ecb327446286e9

commit 77bf53cd0c43e078eb72462090a3597745813270
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Thu Nov 21 06:46:17 2013 -0600

source sha:ba511f8002a2da521f06c3a6a0c60aa6de79d170

source sha:ba511f8002a2da521f06c3a6a0c60aa6de79d170
source sha:59373b753902f69cd44d183568b084429322e7ab


for each commit a first source sha:xxx the one that show-up in the
short-log is the sha of core that was built for this version
the following source sha: in the commit message list all the
source sha that are in this version and where not in the previous
version stored in the bibisect repo.
This can be useful when one know a source sha that is good/bad to
quickly find the binary version associated to frame/narrow the
bibisection.

so to find the binary version of a given source sha:
git log --grep=source sha

one notable exception: the very first commit of the repo contains:
commit e47ec366529846e008a4db27c8c507cdc7714c78
Author: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Nov 10 19:12:32 2013 -0600

source sha:02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4

source sha:02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4
tag:BEGIN_BIBISECT

tag BEGIN_BIBISECT here is to avoid listing all the source commit from
the beginning of time until there :-)
It can be used in script to detect the first commit by only looking at
the commit messages

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-l10n] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC4 test builds available for smoketesting

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com wrote:

 The only thing I imply is that new major release is enhanced by
 useless formats. These files are dead, they come from dead software
 and in bugzilla system you won't find even one bugreport relevant to!

And notheless someone bothered to work at it, produce some code,
tested it and integrated it... and in a way that does not make the
world a masive pain for the rest of the dev, like binfilter was.

In open source things do not happen because pleanty of persons 'want'
something, but because at least one person _does_ something.

 Linux is alive platform and encrypted ODF files are in common usage.
 It would be great if elementary functionality just works instead of
 adding features no one needed.

At least someone needed it... otherwise that person would not have
written it to start with.


 More visible? Apart from this, I asked people on IRC channel
 (libreoffice-dev) to glance at this issue.
[...]
Second one: yeah! ask them (developers) to give you back your
 money.

can you pin point the approximate date.. I have a fairly complete log,
but I cannot find such exchange in libreoffice-dev
That is generally not the tone in libreoffice-dev... especially not
out of the blue...


 You fix it in 15 minutes? Great! So now many people can just wait next
 half of year to 4.2 release. Thanks a lot for attention.

No, they will have to wait until 4.1.1, which is what... 3 weeks from now?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-l10n] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC4 test builds available for smoketesting

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote:
  yeah! ask them (developers) to give you back your
  money.

 I have a fairly complete log, but I cannot find such exchange in
  libreoffice-dev


 That sounds exactly as something I would say, so I can volunteer as the
 culprit here! What do I win, a ban from the channel?

What good would that do ?
I was just wondering about the context... based on the tone of the
email, I'd imagine that if the IRC intervention was alike, that could
very well explain the 'responded-in-kind' answer.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,


 Am 11.07.2013 um 18:45 schrieb Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com:

 * Completed Action items:
+ get windows build-bot setup (Kendy)
[ running well, one of the fastest tinderboxes,
  doing incremental Windows builds of master + gerrit ]


 Link please :)

http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html

tb39

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html

 tb39


 Found here, but not here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/

Because (thankfully) not all tinderbox upload dailies.

We do need to get together and assign different duties to different
tb. for isntance there is no need to have 3 or 4 windows tb doing
master-tb... a couple should be enough, and the other could do
tinderbo of release branches 9or no tinderbox at all and concentrate
on gerrit build only)

Same goes for which upload dailies work in progress :-)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-4.1.0.0.alpha1 tag created

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 2)

 The About dialog is wrong again in Alpha 1... it seems to be correct every
 other day...
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58034

 It should be something like

 Version: 4.1.0.0.alpha1
 Build ID: 67ce08e2c64a6615abc90d3a3c442f90d86fa69
 TinderBox: Win-x86@6, Branch:master, Time: 2013-05-03_06:12:36

 not

 Version: 4.1.0.0.alpha1
 Build ID: 67ce08e2c64a6615abc90d3a3c442f90d86fa69


The former is what I expect from a daily-build out of a given buildbot
- since there can be multiple source for them for a given platform

The later is what I expect out of 'release build' (alpha, beta, RC or
GA) - since there is only 1 source for release build.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-4.1.0.0.alpha1 tag created

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Norbert Thiebaud wrote
 The former is what I expect from a daily-build out of a given buildbot
 - since there can be multiple source for them for a given platform

 The later is what I expect out of 'release build' (alpha, beta, RC or
 GA) - since there is only 1 source for release build.

 Agreed on the source. But keeping the Branch and pull Time still makes
 sense.
not for official build. the branch would be redundant (it is, expect
maybe for the first alpha, libreoffice-X.Y(.Z))
and the pull time is irrelevant since all these build are done based
on a tag. so they are all from the same point which can be easily
determined in git.
otoh the _absence_ of that line is a quick way to distinguish between
daily build and 'official' build.

 This is NOT a release build (at least under Windows): it installs to a
 different path, creates a separate Profile folder and creates a separate
 Program group. It follows the rules for a Dev build. Only RC builds have the
 same behavior as the final release.

By release build I mean 'build done by the person in charge of release
build for that platform, with the 'standard' build config)
iow official build... by opposition to builbot daily build that are
done by whom-ever want to maintain a builbot and upload daily build...
the later also has a non-fix configuration, whereas official builds
have a consistent autogen configuration (and yes, on purpose alpha and
beta are not 'release-build' in the installation sens on windows...
but alph, beta, RC build are still 'release build' in the sens I
defined above)

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 16:16 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote:
  + Do not submit -
  I would prefer this not to be committed in this state.

 While the rewording for -1 is fine with me and in general also better
 describes why a -1 is given, I'm not satisfied with the -2 Do not

 I think we changed -2 to do not merge instead after some private
 discussion with Norbert :-) I think the consensus is that we shouldn't
 be using -2 unless there is something drastically wrong.

For the record:

Although -1 'description' has been toned down, it is _still_ the
preferred and recommended way to express that a patch should not be
push as is.

-2 is essentially a veto on the 'idea' of the patch. -1 get reset when
a new version of a patch is uploaded, whereas -2 are 'sticky'.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.6.3.2 tag created

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote:
 On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 20:24 +0200, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote:
  Hi,
 
  there have been created the libreoffice-3.6.3.2 tag (aka rc2)[*]. The
  corresponding official builds will be available within next few days.
  It will be used as final if no blocker is found.
 
  See the attached list of changes against 3.6.3.1.
 
  Now, you might switch your current 3-6 source tree to it using:
 
  ./g fetch --tags
  ./g checkout -b tag-libreoffice-3.6.3.2 libreoffice-3.6.3.2

 I am not in a position to do the Mac Build in a timely manner...

 Thorsten, can you pick up the slack ?

 Ah, Thorsten is on the openSUSE and SUSE Labs conference this week, so
 he is less actionable as well.

 Norbert, is there any chance that you provide the build after all?
 I am sorry for the inconvenience.

I physically cannot.
The box is in Dallas, and there is no remove access to it.

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.6.3.2 tag created

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote:
 Hi,

 there have been created the libreoffice-3.6.3.2 tag (aka rc2)[*]. The
 corresponding official builds will be available within next few days.
 It will be used as final if no blocker is found.

 See the attached list of changes against 3.6.3.1.

 Now, you might switch your current 3-6 source tree to it using:

 ./g fetch --tags
 ./g checkout -b tag-libreoffice-3.6.3.2 libreoffice-3.6.3.2

I am not in a position to do the Mac Build in a timely manner...

Thorsten, can you pick up the slack ?

Norbert
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[Libreoffice-qa] bibisect fro windows

[Norbert Thiebaud]

Using W2008R2_20-With-Symbol-Bytemark-Hosting I've been building a
bibisect repo for windows. I've collected 66 version so far. the repo
is 436MB

you can fetch it with

git clone git://gandalf.documentfoundation.org/bibisect_windows

I'd like to know it if is usable and or usefull... if so I will
automate the uploading to that repo so that it track closely the
activity on the @20 windows tinderbox.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insulting comments in bug reports: what should we do?

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Roman Eisele p...@roman-eisele.de wrote:

 I have considered that, but I was not sure who should do it; I don't
 think that I have the authority to write to anyone and to reprimand him.

Sure you do, like everybody else.
 'Community standard/Decency' are best enforced by the community at large.
A private mail to 'tune down on the Ad Hominem', if that is not
effective a public one (in bugzilla in that case)... and if that still
does not work _then_ raise that to a more formal process. (BoD)


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote:
 * Pending Action Items
 + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
   statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)

Done
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org wrote:
 Hey,

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 04:11:18PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:

 * tinderboxen / status (Norbert)
       + bytemark machine #2
               + working on *BSD in virtualbox with little
                 joy help appreciated (Norbert)
               + need 3x BSD virtual-boxes (ideally)

 I'd like to know a bit more about this item; Norbert, would you prefer real
 boxes if possible ?

We do not have the resources for that.. but if you volunteer such a
box... sure, by all means...
what is needed ?
- a box that do build, preferably in reasonable time... but since
right now there are no *BSD tinderbox, anytime is more reasonable than
+inf :-)
- download the contrib/buildbot repo  :
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/buildbot/
- read 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/buildbot/tree/README.tinbuild2
- bear in mind that the tinbuild2 script and dep and un-apologetically
bash. I have zero interest in wasting time to get to the lowest common
denominator. (*)
- look at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox#List_of_registered_Tinderboxes
and when the time comes, register your box there... be mindful of the
naming convention...
- once all that is up and running, and if there is a need/benefit to
have dailies uploaded, then we will work on the next step to get the
right credential to do that.


Norbert

(*) as tinbuild2 has never been exercised aaik on *BSD platform, there
may-be some quirk. fortunately tinbuil2 has a way to do 'platform
overload' look at
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/buildbot/tree/bin/tinbuild_internals_Darwin.sh
for such example for MacOS
see the comment in the top of
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/buildbot/tree/bin/tinbuild2
for some more explanations
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.5.1.1 tag created (3.5.1-rc1)

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is this the plan forward? Only versions x.x.0 have Betas?

x.y.x with z = 1 are bugfixes-release.. if they need a 'beta' then we
already failed on the principle of what a bugfix-release is.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.0 Beta3 available

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Francois, *,

 On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org wrote:
 [...]
 Howewer, this tag doesn't appear in my freshly updated copy of the core
 repository. How come ?

 Need to ask git developers why tags are not treated equally.

I think that by default you do not get tag that you don't 'need' ...
so if a tag is put, a posteriori,  on a commit you already have you
won't automatically get it.

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.4.99.1 tag created (3.5.0-beta1)

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote:
 Hi,

 there have been created the libreoffice-3.4.99.1 tag for 3.5.0-beta1 release.
 The corresponding official builds will be available within 4 days or so.


Mac OSX x86 build uploading now at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/mac/x86/
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 But developers don't commit to the central repository. They commit to
 their local clones of it, and then at some (much) later stage push
 outstanding commits to the central repository. And then there are
 feature branches and merges...

 Ok. Wrong wording. What I meant was the time a change was pushed to
 the central repository by a developer which is comparable to the pull
 time from the central repository.

the problem is that this 'time' is not recorded anywhere. git does not
keep track of it.
So the only way to be 'certain' is to use sha1 and git log to compare
where the sha1 of the build you test is compared to the dha1 of the
alledge fix.

It is possible to do a web service to automate that (that is giving 2
sha1s and it tell you if the second one (the fix) is an 'ancestor' of
the first one (your build)

essentially:  if $(git merge-base build-sha fix-sha) = fix-sha

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know, I did it... but you don't have a 'push time'

 :) Thank you, then :)
 Why do I need to know the push time? Any commits that were pushed into
 Central repository before time X are included in the source that is
 pulled after time X... I think?

sure. but then how do you known 'when' a given fix was pushed ? (and
bear in mind timezone :-))



 It would be great if that information was added BOTH to the About box
 and to the tar/msi file name! Please do consider it :)

for dailies: to download it you already have all that info since
otherwise you would not have found the file to start with.

for pre-release, we don't want to have too fancy filename, that would
make thing much more dicey when we 'release'...

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

[Norbert Thiebaud]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 Hi,


 Timesstamps are _not_ a valid reference to a source tree or order in DSCM.(*)
 Never. Not even on Sunday in moonlight.

 The only valid reference is the commit-id. IMHO this should really end the
 discussion right here.


+1
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