Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:07:26 +0200, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi, So I am going to create one for Windows, or is there a volunteer with more Git Know-How and maybe a faster upload? After some conversation on IRC, I think that a Windows bibisect repo should include the first release in each of our previous release series (3.6.0, 4.0.0, etc...), but probably not subsequent builds on the release branches. I think that you could add just .0 and .7 releases of each old branch (3.3 -- 3.6) but more intermediate release of the current branches (4.0 and 4.1) One question that comes up often is: Are there enough Windows-only bugs to make a Windows bibisect tool helpful? I think that a bibisect Windows tool would help Windows users to become familiar with LibO QA. there's a lot of users who don't know anything about Linux but can do a nice work with Windows. snip ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
Hi, So I am going to create one for Windows, or is there a volunteer with more Git Know-How and maybe a faster upload? Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 28.08.2013 um 20:16 schrieb Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi, Why not simply use a parallel Installation? [bibisect repo with release versions for Windows] I think that there are a number of really good advantages to using a bibisect repo over multiple installs, including: - Each version is pre-configured to run right out of the box - The repository can be updated with a few simple commands (no need to manually install new versions) - The bisecting process is scripted, and thus is probably faster and less error-prone - Git has built-in de-duplication, saving disk space (not sure how much this applies to Windows builds) - The bibisect process spits-out a pre-formatted chunk of text that can be copied right into the bug report Any bibisect testers will have to get git/bash setup on Windows, but I think that process is actually pretty straightforward these days. From my standpoint, the benefits of going with a git-based system (including increased consistency between Windows and Linux) are pretty big. Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi, So I am going to create one for Windows, or is there a volunteer with more Git Know-How and maybe a faster upload? After some conversation on IRC, I think that a Windows bibisect repo should include the first release in each of our previous release series (3.6.0, 4.0.0, etc...), but probably not subsequent builds on the release branches. One question that comes up often is: Are there enough Windows-only bugs to make a Windows bibisect tool helpful? There are currently 1010 open LibreOffice bugs marked with OS=Windows (compared to 893 for OS=Linux), but that list certain includes a number of cross-platform bugs. That being said, a Windows bibisect repo linked to a buildbot could provide not only a good way for us to track down any regressions, but also a simpler method of pushing out builds. There are some questions about size on disk, but I think those can be somewhat mitigated by deciding how often new builds are added. To step back for a second and take a look at the bigger picture, many of the questions that come up about a Windows bibisect repository are the same questions that arise about a GNU/Linux-based one. We've discussed stitching-together our old and new GNU/Linux bibisect repositories as well as adding-in some of our oldest builds (pre-bibisect), and I think that finishing that work might give us some insight into how we should approach bibisect for Windows. Florian suggested that parallel installs might be a better bet for Windows, and although I do see some strong benefits to the bibisect solution, I think we should continue to discuss the pros and cons, and shouldn't rule out either approach for now. I'll try to carve-out some time this weekend to tackle the GNU/Linux side of things and put us in a better position to evaluate our options. Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:29:50 +0200, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:19 PM, bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:58:23AM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run, if we shoved those builds into a git repo we could (potentially) get a similar workflow for Windows bibisecting. Bjoern - Thoughts here? those .zip files once unzipped before running do a brief initial setup asking which localization you want to use (english, german, italian ecc. ecc.) and download java if the host computer needs it. once finished, X-LibO is ready and working. so probably we need to upload versions which already did this warm-up. Sounds great, somebody volunteering to do that? I don't have a windows dev/test box readily available right now, but I don't see any immediate hurdles to creating the repo on another OS. Tommy -- could you do some testing if I take a crack at creating a repo? I'd like to test it for sure. If you need additional informations I can ping the gays at http://www.winpenpack.com who are the authors of X-LibreOffice After the gerrit migration, I should be able to set that repo up directly on gerrit.libreoffice.org. +1 I'll see about sticking the repo on a test server for now. --R ___ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:20:57 +0200, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: ... snip ... I'd like to test it for sure. If you need additional informations I can ping the gays at http://www.winpenpack.com who are the authors of X-LibreOffice Obviously a typing error... I meant the guys at http://www.winpenpack.com (I hope they do not read the QA list... :-D ) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
Hi Tommy Tommy wrote Window user can however do manual regression tests using the portable X-LibreOffice version developed from winPenPack. here's their repository including all versions they did: http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ versions from 3.3.3 to 4.1.0 are available (4.0.5 is still under work) I'm glad the QA team listens to you. X-LibreOffice does deserve it indeed. BTW version 4.0.5 is already out. http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ I hope this request somehow contributed to it http://www.winpenpack.com/en/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57347 Best regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-QA-Meeting-Minutes-2013-08-23-tp4071347p4072034.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:29:50 +0200, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run... those .zip files once unzipped before running do a brief initial setup asking which localization you want to use (english, german, italian ecc. ecc.) and download java if the host computer needs it. once finished, X-LibO is ready and working. so probably we need to upload versions which already did this warm-up. Ah, okay, so we'd need to have a Windows box available for the setup step. Localization would probably be in English. Java might be a bit trickier -- are there any special caveats regarding versions of java and LibreOffice (on Windows) ? I'd like to test it for sure. If you need additional informations I can ping the [guys] at http://www.winpenpack.com who are the authors of X-LibreOffice Probably our best bet here would be to format a commit message (appropriate for a bibisect repo) for each of the X-LO builds. We can hand that and a blank git repo to someone w/a Windows box and have them setup and commit each X-LO build in order, then push the repo up to the remote and have other people test it out... --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
Hi, Why not simply use a parallel Installation? [bibisect repo with release versions for Windows] -- Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:52:12 +0200, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tommy Tommy wrote Window user can however do manual regression tests using the portable X-LibreOffice version developed from winPenPack. here's their repository including all versions they did: http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ versions from 3.3.3 to 4.1.0 are available (4.0.5 is still under work) I'm glad the QA team listens to you. X-LibreOffice does deserve it indeed. BTW version 4.0.5 is already out. http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ great. I missed that one. I hope this request somehow contributed to it http://www.winpenpack.com/en/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57347 Best regards, Pedro yes, pedro. it helped a lot. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi, Why not simply use a parallel Installation? [bibisect repo with release versions for Windows] I think that there are a number of really good advantages to using a bibisect repo over multiple installs, including: - Each version is pre-configured to run right out of the box - The repository can be updated with a few simple commands (no need to manually install new versions) - The bisecting process is scripted, and thus is probably faster and less error-prone - Git has built-in de-duplication, saving disk space (not sure how much this applies to Windows builds) - The bibisect process spits-out a pre-formatted chunk of text that can be copied right into the bug report Any bibisect testers will have to get git/bash setup on Windows, but I think that process is actually pretty straightforward these days. From my standpoint, the benefits of going with a git-based system (including increased consistency between Windows and Linux) are pretty big. Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: AFAIK the bibisect is a Linux thing and there's nothing like this on Windows. Window user can however do manual regression tests using the portable X-LibreOffice version developed from winPenPack. here's their repository including all versions they did: http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ versions from 3.3.3 to 4.1.0 are available (4.0.5 is still under work) Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run, if we shoved those builds into a git repo we could (potentially) get a similar workflow for Windows bibisecting. We'd get a much coarser granularity, but if it's something that the devs think could be beneficial, it's probably worth the time to set up. Bjoern - Thoughts here? --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
Hi, On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:58:23AM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run, if we shoved those builds into a git repo we could (potentially) get a similar workflow for Windows bibisecting. We'd get a much coarser granularity, but if it's something that the devs think could be beneficial, it's probably worth the time to set up. Bjoern - Thoughts here? Sounds great, somebody volunteering to do that? After the gerrit migration, I should be able to set that repo up directly on gerrit.libreoffice.org. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:19 PM, bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:58:23AM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run, if we shoved those builds into a git repo we could (potentially) get a similar workflow for Windows bibisecting. We'd get a much coarser granularity, but if it's something that the devs think could be beneficial, it's probably worth the time to set up. Bjoern - Thoughts here? Sounds great, somebody volunteering to do that? I don't have a windows dev/test box readily available right now, but I don't see any immediate hurdles to creating the repo on another OS. Tommy -- could you do some testing if I take a crack at creating a repo? After the gerrit migration, I should be able to set that repo up directly on gerrit.libreoffice.org. +1 I'll see about sticking the repo on a test server for now. --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
(*) Florian R. - If new repo -- Include older versions!! (*) Bjoern - Including older versions would expand the repository and make the initial download size much larger (might be scary for first-time QA members?) Perhaps we could get a lot of the benefit of the older versions from just a few of them. We would not be able to locate a regression with precision, but that could be a good tradeoff. Of course, the oldest version found in the bibisect40 repositiory and the earliest runnable version of LibreOffice would be particularly interesting. Terry. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23
Hi all, Minutes from today's QA Meeting are available here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_23 Our next QA Meeting will be in 2 weeks: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/September_06 I hope everyone has had a wonderful Friday and (weather permitting) has been able to get outside and enjoy some time in the fresh air! Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
