Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Laura Crosby]

Agree

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> On Sep 13, 2023, at 8:57 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I urge people not to put this project off. The escalation in building costs 
> in the last few years has been breathtaking.  If we put it off, we won't be 
> able to afford it at all. The plan is not yet final. The Committee will hear 
> and act on your ideas. Give them a chance. 
> 
> I am strongly in favor of separating out the costs for upgrading the Leap 
> building. The charge to the Community Center Committee did not include the 
> $3,000,000 needed to do this work. Reducing the size of the Community Center 
> because we have to include this unforeseen project is not fair. I can see 
> that doing the work on the Leap building at the same time as the Community 
> Center will save the town a lot of cost, but I think that the Leap Project 
> should be presented separately by the School Committee and voted separately.
> 
> Ruth Ann Hendrickson
> (She, her)
> On 9/13/2023 7:39 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln wrote:
>> Wednesday September 13, 2023
>> 
>> Dear LT,
>> 
>> I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning Board, 
>> but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the Community 
>> Center Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work for our 
>> Town over the last several months. However, after listening to the Community 
>> Center Building Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become very clear to 
>> me that the Town’s vision to improve facilities for the COA cannot be 
>> accomplished on the school site as “selected” by residents of the Town a few 
>> years ago. We hired excellent architects who have listened to the committee 
>> and the public now for several months and have come up with 3+ major plans, 
>> recommending the middle priced one that is at 75% the original very 
>> expensive estimate given to us last year. The lowest price option was shown 
>> to be inadequate for COA activities and would be only as one person said 
>> “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.
>> 
>> It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”, 
>> according to the committee leadership, include in our community center 
>> renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”, 
>> despite many residents giving input that this program is the school’s 
>> responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In addition there are 
>> safety issues related to traffic patterns, increased cars and children 
>> walking or on bikes to get to and from school and activities.
>> 
>> Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic last 
>> night, that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee of other 
>> sites throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center, 
>> particularly COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have been 
>> visited, no details about what it would take to renovate them have been 
>> presented, nor has anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town 
>> could use other buildings or space, historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd 
>> or nearby and renovate any of them for a community center that at least 
>> houses the COA. Mainly, the committee remains on the school campus because 
>> it is the best place for Parks and Rec to be and many people want to mix 
>> generations in a “Community Center for All”.
>> 
>> I would like to propose that a new Town Committee be formed of concerned 
>> residents, who would still like to see the Town have a safe and up-to-date 
>> improved space for a COA, to conduct activities, but do not want taxes 
>> raised any further, and be a committee that SERIOUSLY examines existing 
>> sites that could be renovated, even if it means the cost of purchasing them 
>> for the Town. I would be happy to serve on such a committee. In the mean 
>> time until this committee does its work, we should put the Building 
>> Committee and architects on hold and not have a special Town Meeting to vote 
>> on the School site options in December. When Town’s residents selected the 
>> school site as the “best” for a community center, they did not know what we 
>> know now.
>> 
>> Lynn DeLisi
>> 
>> 125 South Great Rd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Barbara Low]

Agreed.


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I urge people not to put this project off. The escalation in building costs in 
the last few years has been breathtaking.  If we put it off, we won't be able 
to afford it at all. The plan is not yet final. The Committee will hear and act 
on your ideas. Give them a chance.

I am strongly in favor of separating out the costs for upgrading the Leap 
building. The charge to the Community Center Committee did not include the 
$3,000,000 needed to do this work. Reducing the size of the Community Center 
because we have to include this unforeseen project is not fair. I can see that 
doing the work on the Leap building at the same time as the Community Center 
will save the town a lot of cost, but I think that the Leap Project should be 
presented separately by the School Committee and voted separately.

Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)

On 9/13/2023 7:39 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln wrote:

Wednesday September 13, 2023

Dear LT,

I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning Board, but 
as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the Community Center 
Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work for our Town over the 
last several months. However, after listening to the Community Center Building 
Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become very clear to me that the Town’s 
vision to improve facilities for the COA cannot be accomplished on the school 
site as “selected” by residents of the Town a few years ago. We hired excellent 
architects who have listened to the committee and the public now for several 
months and have come up with 3+ major plans, recommending the middle priced one 
that is at 75% the original very expensive estimate given to us last year. The 
lowest price option was shown to be inadequate for COA activities and would be 
only as one person said “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.

It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”, according 
to the committee leadership, include in our community center renovating or 
rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”, despite many 
residents giving input that this program is the school’s responsibility and not 
that of a Community Center. In addition there are safety issues related to 
traffic patterns, increased cars and children walking or on bikes to get to and 
from school and activities.

Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic last night, 
that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee of other sites 
throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center, particularly 
COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have been visited, no 
details about what it would take to renovate them have been presented, nor has 
anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town could use other buildings 
or space, historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd or nearby and renovate any of 
them for a community center that at least houses the COA. Mainly, the committee 
remains on the school campus because it is the best place for Parks and Rec to 
be and many people want to mix generations in a “Community Center for All”.

I would like to propose that a new Town Committee be formed of concerned 
residents, who would still like to see the Town have a safe and up-to-date 
improved space for a COA, to conduct activities, but do not want taxes raised 
any further, and be a committee that SERIOUSLY examines existing sites that 
could be renovated, even if it means the cost of purchasing them for the Town. 
I would be happy to serve on such a committee. In the mean time until this 
committee does its work, we should put the Building Committee and architects on 
hold and not have a special Town Meeting to vote on the School site options in 
December. When Town’s residents selected the school site as the “best” for a 
community center, they did not know what we know now.

Lynn DeLisi

125 South Great Rd



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Re: [LincolnTalk] Power outage

[Michael Dembowski]

Just before 700, a significant tree fell across Weston Road near Pierce Park - occurring just ahead of where my wife was driving. The tree was suspended across fallen snapped wires - accompanied by flashes of light. She called 911 and turned around, seeing fire and police responding promptly. Stay safe-Michael Dembowski On Sep 13, 2023, at 9:01 PM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:https://outagemap.eversource.com/external/default.htmlOn Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:47 PM Stacey Parks  wrote:No power on Beaver Pond, however my power is connected to a pole on Weston Rd. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2023, at 7:32 PM, Stacey Sawyer-Mackie via Lincoln  wrote:
So far, we're OK on Greenridge Lane





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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Ruth Ann Hendrickson]

I urge people not to put this project off. The escalation in building 
costs in the last few years has been breathtaking.  If we put it off, we 
won't be able to afford it at all. The plan is not yet final. The 
Committee will hear and act on your ideas. Give them a chance.


I am strongly in favor of separating out the costs for upgrading the 
Leap building. The charge to the Community Center Committee did not 
include the $3,000,000 needed to do this work. Reducing the size of the 
Community Center because we have to include this unforeseen project is 
not fair. I can see that doing the work on the Leap building at the same 
time as the Community Center will save the town a lot of cost, but I 
think that the Leap Project should be presented separately by the School 
Committee and voted separately.


Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)

On 9/13/2023 7:39 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln wrote:


Wednesday September 13, 2023

Dear LT,

I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning 
Board, but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the 
Community Center Building Committee and the Architects for their hard 
work for our Town over the last several months. However, after 
listening to the Community Center Building Committee’s Forum last 
evening, it has become very clear to me that the Town’s vision to 
improve facilities for the COA cannot be accomplished on the school 
site as “selected” by residents of the Town a few years ago. We hired 
excellent architects who have listened to the committee and the public 
now for several months and have come up with 3+ major plans, 
recommending the middle priced one that is at 75% the original very 
expensive estimate given to us last year. The lowest price option was 
shown to be inadequate for COA activities and would be only as one 
person said “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.


It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”, 
according to the committee leadership, include in our community center 
renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called 
“LEAP”, despite many residents giving input that this program is the 
school’s responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In 
addition there are safety issues related to traffic patterns, 
increased cars and children walking or on bikes to get to and from 
school and activities.


Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic 
last night, that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee 
of other sites throughout Town that could be appropriate for a 
community center, particularly COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the 
Pierce House have been visited, no details about what it would take to 
renovate them have been presented, nor has anyone taken the time to 
investigate whether the Town could use other buildings or space, 
historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd or nearby and renovate any of 
them for a community center that at least houses the COA. Mainly, the 
committee remains on the school campus because it is the best place 
for Parks and Rec to be and many people want to mix generations in a 
“Community Center for All”.


I would like to propose that a new Town Committee be formed of 
concerned residents, who would still like to see the Town have a safe 
and up-to-date improved space for a COA, to conduct activities, but do 
not want taxes raised any further, and be a committee that SERIOUSLY 
examines existing sites that could be renovated, even if it means the 
cost of purchasing them for the Town. I would be happy to serve on 
such a committee. In the mean time until this committee does its work, 
we should put the Building Committee and architects on hold and not 
have a special Town Meeting to vote on the School site options in 
December. When Town’s residents selected the school site as the “best” 
for a community center, they did not know what we know now.


Lynn DeLisi

125 South Great Rd


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[john gregg via Lincoln]

 
Hello Lincoln,
As a resident of the Town of Lincoln for @20 years who now resides in 01776 
I can tell you it was always a struggle to read these discussions and know my 
voice is not really wanted. It is not what the town expects to have someone who 
gives a view that overturns the apple cart. So here I go again for the last 
time. 
Lincoln needs a Community Center, period. LEAP is a great program for 
working parents, my son was there for the early years and had a GREAT 
experience. The staff has always been at the highest level of care to the kids, 
including kids in sports, arts, and whatever other activities are needed for an 
afterschool program. People want to discuss the school commitment but yet 
forget the TOWN rejected State help to make it happen many years ago and ended 
up having to pay out of pocket to build a school that needed to be built. Even 
then they built as cheap as they could by building on the existing 
foundation(still @$93 Million dollars). So now we want to talk about a 
Community Center that will assist everyone. I have witnessed families who 
needed help in the Town suffer because they did not have these types of 
resources to provide a community area, shuttling people to Concord or Lexington 
is not a real option. So PAYING OUT OF POCKET FOR PRIVATE CARE was the only 
option to those families who pay taxes and respect the town. My guess is many 
who experience the same wish they had an area where people could meet to have a 
community atmosphere to help assume some of those costs and allow their parents 
to have a group who came out of the same experiences in life. Reminiscing on 
your life is part of getting old, sharing those experiences with others helps 
them stay young. 
People want to talk and talk and talk about solutions but not realize the 
real problem is not addressing the fact the problem is the community that does 
not want to help address the issues on the table. I defer to people like John 
Mendelson on the road issue (sorry John but I know you are best to inform the 
community on that issue) because he knows the real issues about bikes and the 
roads in Lincoln, but he has to resort to sarcasm to make his point.  If 
Lincoln cared about the people more than the land it resides on it would say 
they want to offer a sustainable center for the community that is not a garden 
or saving the frogs or not allowing planes to take off or land at Hanscom. If 
the community really cared it would have built a new school BEFORE the ceilings 
leaked water on a fire detector at the front desk area and the toilets flooded 
on a regular basis as I PERSONALLY witnessed as my son progressed from Smith to 
Brooks where he was able to spend one year in the new facility which still did 
not build a new basketball court surface in the Brooks Gym. 
    My grandfather used a riddle that he shared with all of his grandkids (and 
yes I all know this was not his creation but from Greek Mythology): What has 
one voice but goes on four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon, and three 
in the evening? 
He taught us a lesson that we understood as he suffered from Alzheimer's 
and my grandmother had to care for him which eventually took years and time off 
of her great and kind life. It is OUR job in society to plant the tree and care 
for our children and the elderly and that means providing a Community Center 
and cover the costs I am sure many in the town can afford. My suggestion is the 
Town and the people figure out how to plant a tree to provide the shade for 
those who will become old at some point by paying when they can, because as a 
Town you kicked the pooch on the School issue and kids suffered because the 
people of the Town could not realize a community means more than your garden 
and frogs. Do not make that mistake again, work as a community to figure out 
the solution and it does not mean putting the elderly in Bemis Hall basement 
and the LEAP kids in the attic of Pierce House. 


    

All the Best,John Gregg01776
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Power outage

[Stacey Parks]

No power on Beaver Pond, however my power is connected to a pole on Weston Rd. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2023, at 7:32 PM, Stacey Sawyer-Mackie via Lincoln  wrote:
So far, we're OK on Greenridge Lane





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[LincolnTalk] Paying someone to drive me to Lexington and back

[Will via Lincoln]

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Power outage

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 So far, we're OK on Greenridge Lane
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 I’m on Weston Rd. without power. What about others?

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[LincolnTalk] Power outage

[Sarah Cannon Holden]

I’m on Weston Rd. without power. What about others?

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Peter Buchthal]

Lynne, Karla and David make excellent points.  One of the challenges the
town faces with the community center is the lack of trust in the building
committee to size
a COA/ParksRec building to meet our needs and not our wishes.  I believe
the major hill the community is trying to climb is how many seniors
actually use the facilities today.
Parks and Recreation has provided actual attendance figures for all of the
activities.  COA has provided only maximum and minimum numbers without
means or averages.   The maximum and minimums for a particular activity can
vary greatly with the maximum being sometimes triple the minimum
headcount.  For residents who are not awash in money, in may be hard to
justify building a larger council on aging  for the occasional activities
that may need more space once every three months.   Wayland, a town with
twice the senior population compared to Lincoln  just built a new Senior
Center for 11 Million dollars.  Their building that meets the needs of a
town with twice the senior population is 12,900 square feet.  Our small,
medium and large Community Center proposals are 16K, 18K or 20+k.

I believe the Building Committee should ask Fincom or the Select board to
fund a consultant to provide average and mean numbers from the COA computer
system so that the community can see the actual consistent usage of today's
COA.  As someone who is familiar with computers, I believe the town could
easily also find several residents (representing different groups within
the town) who might volunteer their time to provide the needed computer
expertise to extract the needed average and mean numbers from COAs computer
system and generate more meaningful usage statistics for the community.

Let's not overbuild a public building again.

Peter Buchthal
Weston Rd.


On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 3:13 PM Michael Dembowski 
wrote:

> Reinforcing Lynne's point - there are not insignificant costs req'd of
> re-use of existing buildings- especially those anticipating assembly type
> spaces with higher use and occupancy.
> These start w/ the design team fees for professional assessment and
> recommendations to which cost estimates must be produced. The various
> building system upgrades required to meet and satisfy current building,
> energy, plumbing codes and more oftentimes (quite easily) exceed the
> threshold by which MA Building Code then (rightfully so) requires
> accessibility upgrades- including improvements to site, entries,
> provision/install of an accessible elevator, toilet room resizing for added
> fixtures and increased clearances, new building and room signage, revised
> mounting height of fire alarm devices, light switches throughout -
> and more. None of this invalidates the potential reuse of existing
> buildings, only the thinking that this alternative is a 'slam-dunk' for
> significant cost savings.
> Michael Dembowski
> Conant Road
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:12 PM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> To those interested. All available  existing town bldgs have been looked
>> at MULTIPLE TIMES and need much renovation at considerable expense.
>> Unfortunately because not only LEAP but P need space. So the cost has
>> now increased.
>> By using other bldgs their is rent and owner requirements.  And would not
>> belong to town.
>> And Their are many state/ town / school requirements at the ONLY sight
>> available on school grounds.
>> I'll add that the planning of the CC was well thought out for many yrs .
>> Hopefully when more of you need elder services we will have an appropriate
>> space.
>> Thank you.
>> Lynne LaSpina  FLCOA & HS
>> Sent from AOL on Android
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:42 AM, Forest Brown
>>  wrote:
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[LincolnTalk] Kids size 12 soccer cleats

[Danielle Solar]

Looking for size 12ish kids soccer cleats for a 5 year old for town soccer
this fall.
Please let me know if you have any lying around gathering dust from
previous years!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free plywood

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> 7’9” long x 30” wide. Other piece is 3’4” long x 30” wide. Minor dings. You
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[LincolnTalk] North Village Pre-School

[Robert Hicks]

*North Village Pre-School*

377 North Avenue (Rt 117)

Weston United Methodist Church

Weston, MA 02493

781-922-9755

northvillagepresch...@gmail.com

North Village Pre-School is a new play-based preschool conveniently located
at the intersection of Conant Road and Rt 117 in the Weston United
Methodist Church.  There are 2 large classrooms, an indoor play space and
an outdoor playground.  As a small preschool starting with 10 children, we
are able to provide individualized care and attention to children ages 18
months-6 years old.

Both half-day and full-day options are offered
Half-day: 8:30-12:30
Full-day: 8:30-3:00 or 8:30-5:00.

We also offer early start from 8:00-8:30 am and extended stay
from 5:00-5:30pm.

Our school year runs September through June, and we offer a summer program
June through August.

North Village Pre-School provides an exceptional preschool experience with
qualified, experienced, passionate teachers and small class sizes so that
each child has the attention and care they deserve. Our teachers are
committed to helping children grow and develop in every area, and we strive
to ensure each child's happiness each and every day.

Vanessa Lukosus is the director and one of the teachers at North Village
Preschool.   She has been working with children for the past 20 years
within the community.  Most recently, as a preschool teacher and previously
as the director of an after-school program with 50+ families and children.

We look forward to meeting you and your children

North Village Pre-School
781-922-9755
northvillagepresch...@gmail.com

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Michael Dembowski]

Reinforcing Lynne's point - there are not insignificant costs req'd of
re-use of existing buildings- especially those anticipating assembly type
spaces with higher use and occupancy.
These start w/ the design team fees for professional assessment and
recommendations to which cost estimates must be produced. The various
building system upgrades required to meet and satisfy current building,
energy, plumbing codes and more oftentimes (quite easily) exceed the
threshold by which MA Building Code then (rightfully so) requires
accessibility upgrades- including improvements to site, entries,
provision/install of an accessible elevator, toilet room resizing for added
fixtures and increased clearances, new building and room signage, revised
mounting height of fire alarm devices, light switches throughout -
and more. None of this invalidates the potential reuse of existing
buildings, only the thinking that this alternative is a 'slam-dunk' for
significant cost savings.
Michael Dembowski
Conant Road

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:12 PM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> To those interested. All available  existing town bldgs have been looked
> at MULTIPLE TIMES and need much renovation at considerable expense.
> Unfortunately because not only LEAP but P need space. So the cost has
> now increased.
> By using other bldgs their is rent and owner requirements.  And would not
> belong to town.
> And Their are many state/ town / school requirements at the ONLY sight
> available on school grounds.
> I'll add that the planning of the CC was well thought out for many yrs .
> Hopefully when more of you need elder services we will have an appropriate
> space.
> Thank you.
> Lynne LaSpina  FLCOA & HS
> Sent from AOL on Android
> 
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:42 AM, Forest Brown
>  wrote:
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Bijoy Misra]

As I noticed during the School project, there is a strong
over-building lobby in town.  People think that large projects
will add value to property etc (possibly does) .  Some sell and leave.
Let us be conservative, let us not urbanize the town.
I appeal to the leaders to contain the costs.
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:15 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> The 2015 study looked at building a new, all-in community center at each
> site. What we need now is to look at supplementing activities in other
> sites around town. The charge from the November 2022 town meeting
> specifically mentions this as an option for the committee. Voters assumed
> the committee would demonstrate a good faith effort to do so, but this
> hasn't happened. We need to remember that even if we build a new community
> center, we will still need to maintain Bemis Hall and Pierce House. These
> costs are not included in the current ICON estimates.
>
> I have attended quite a few of the CCBC meetings, so I am not new to the
> process. To me, the main difficulty is that we are on the path to
> overbuilding, again. According to the CCBC's own benchmarking, Wayland
> (with double our population and double our number of seniors per the CCBC)
> has managed to approve a project with a price tag that is less than the
> cheapest option being evaluated for Lincoln. They managed this by hosting a
> portion of their activities in locations around town. We should follow
> their example.
>
>>
>> *Cc:* Listserv Listserv 
>>
>> *Subject:* *Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum*
>>
>> Lynn,
>> Thanks for your interest in the Community Center.  It is clear you are very
>> new to the program.  Please visit the CCBC website where you will find the
>> final reports for the
>>  2015 Study Committee.  Five sites in Town were studied, design options
>> identified and costed ( in 2015 construction cost dollars):
>> Bemis Hall, Pierce House, Hartwell, Lincoln Station and DPW site.
>> 2016 Campus Master Planning Committee - Evaluated the impact of siting the
>> CC on the school campus.
>> 2018 CCPPDC with actual designs for buildings at the Hartwell site.
>> The charge of the current committee doesn't include revisiting these other
>> sites.
>> Please read the reports.
>> We have been challenged by very real needs on that site posed by the LEAP
>> program, but our PRIMARY DIFFICULTY relates to the astronomical escalation
>> of construction costs  ( totally out of our control), and the severe
>> restraints imposed by the Town to look for lower cost options.  Even our
>> "100%" option provides way less than what was presented in 2018.
>> Dilla Tingley
>> COA Board, CCBC Committee Member
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Forest Brown 
>>> *Date:* September 13, 2023 at 10:42:11 AM EDT
>>> *To:* "Lynn DeLisi, M.D." 
>>> *Cc:* Listserv Listserv 
>>> *Subject:* *Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum*
>>>
>>> 
>>> Dear Lynn,
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for thoughtfully describing your perspective. I was
>>> also wondering about improving upon preexisting buildings as an
>>> alternative. I am in complete agreement with what you’ve shared here. I
>>> appreciate you willing to serve on behalf of other residents who feel the
>>> same way.
>>>
>>> Becca
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln <
>>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Wednesday September 13, 2023
>>>
>>> Dear LT,
>>>
>>> I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning
>>> Board, but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the
>>> Community Center Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work
>>> for our Town over the last several months. However, after listening to the
>>> Community Center Building Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become
>>> very clear to me that the Town’s vision to improve facilities for the COA
>>> cannot be accomplished on the school site as “selected” by residents of the
>>> Town a few years ago. We hired excellent architects who have listened to
>>> the committee and the public now for several months and have come up with
>>> 3+ major plans, recommending the middle priced one that is at 75% the
>>> original very expensive estimate given to us last year. The lowest price
>>> option was shown to be inadequate for COA activities and would be only as
>>> one person said “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.
>>>
>>> It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”,
>>> according to the committee leadership, include in our community center
>>> renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”,
>>> despite many residents giving input that this program is the school’s
>>> responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In addition there are
>>> safety issues related to traffic patterns, increased cars and children
>>> walking or on bikes to get to and from school and activities.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Karla Gravis]

The 2015 study looked at building a new, all-in community center at each
site. What we need now is to look at supplementing activities in other
sites around town. The charge from the November 2022 town meeting
specifically mentions this as an option for the committee. Voters assumed
the committee would demonstrate a good faith effort to do so, but this
hasn't happened. We need to remember that even if we build a new community
center, we will still need to maintain Bemis Hall and Pierce House. These
costs are not included in the current ICON estimates.

I have attended quite a few of the CCBC meetings, so I am not new to the
process. To me, the main difficulty is that we are on the path to
overbuilding, again. According to the CCBC's own benchmarking, Wayland
(with double our population and double our number of seniors per the CCBC)
has managed to approve a project with a price tag that is less than the
cheapest option being evaluated for Lincoln. They managed this by hosting a
portion of their activities in locations around town. We should follow
their example.

>
> *Cc:* Listserv Listserv 
>
> *Subject:* *Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum*
>
> Lynn,
> Thanks for your interest in the Community Center.  It is clear you are very
> new to the program.  Please visit the CCBC website where you will find the
> final reports for the
>  2015 Study Committee.  Five sites in Town were studied, design options
> identified and costed ( in 2015 construction cost dollars):
> Bemis Hall, Pierce House, Hartwell, Lincoln Station and DPW site.
> 2016 Campus Master Planning Committee - Evaluated the impact of siting the
> CC on the school campus.
> 2018 CCPPDC with actual designs for buildings at the Hartwell site.
> The charge of the current committee doesn't include revisiting these other
> sites.
> Please read the reports.
> We have been challenged by very real needs on that site posed by the LEAP
> program, but our PRIMARY DIFFICULTY relates to the astronomical escalation
> of construction costs  ( totally out of our control), and the severe
> restraints imposed by the Town to look for lower cost options.  Even our
> "100%" option provides way less than what was presented in 2018.
> Dilla Tingley
> COA Board, CCBC Committee Member
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Forest Brown 
>> *Date:* September 13, 2023 at 10:42:11 AM EDT
>> *To:* "Lynn DeLisi, M.D." 
>> *Cc:* Listserv Listserv 
>> *Subject:* *Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum*
>>
>> 
>> Dear Lynn,
>>
>> Thank you so much for thoughtfully describing your perspective. I was
>> also wondering about improving upon preexisting buildings as an
>> alternative. I am in complete agreement with what you’ve shared here. I
>> appreciate you willing to serve on behalf of other residents who feel the
>> same way.
>>
>> Becca
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Wednesday September 13, 2023
>>
>> Dear LT,
>>
>> I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning
>> Board, but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the
>> Community Center Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work
>> for our Town over the last several months. However, after listening to the
>> Community Center Building Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become
>> very clear to me that the Town’s vision to improve facilities for the COA
>> cannot be accomplished on the school site as “selected” by residents of the
>> Town a few years ago. We hired excellent architects who have listened to
>> the committee and the public now for several months and have come up with
>> 3+ major plans, recommending the middle priced one that is at 75% the
>> original very expensive estimate given to us last year. The lowest price
>> option was shown to be inadequate for COA activities and would be only as
>> one person said “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.
>>
>> It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”,
>> according to the committee leadership, include in our community center
>> renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”,
>> despite many residents giving input that this program is the school’s
>> responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In addition there are
>> safety issues related to traffic patterns, increased cars and children
>> walking or on bikes to get to and from school and activities.
>>
>> Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic last
>> night, that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee of other
>> sites throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center,
>> particularly COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have been
>> visited, no details about what it would take to renovate them have been
>> presented, nor has anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town
>> could use other buildings or space, historic 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[llas902551--- via Lincoln]

To those interested. All available  existing town bldgs have been looked at 
MULTIPLE TIMES and need much renovation at considerable expense. Unfortunately 
because not only LEAP but P need space. So the cost has now increased. By 
using other bldgs their is rent and owner requirements.  And would not belong 
to town.
And Their are many state/ town / school requirements at the ONLY sight 
available on school grounds.I'll add that the planning of the CC was well 
thought out for many yrs . Hopefully when more of you need elder services we 
will have an appropriate  space.Thank you.Lynne LaSpina  FLCOA & HS
Sent from AOL on Android 
 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[David Cuetos]

In my opinion, the proposals the CCBC is putting forward are flawed because
the basic premises upon which the building has been dimensioned are greatly
overstated. Multiple residents have brought this up, but the committee has
not taken the feedback into consideration.

To begin with, activity room sizes are too big for the town's real needs.
Despite residents' continued demands, the COA has refused to share actual
attendance data for its activities, only providing minimum/maximum
attendance

and
caps, which obscure the picture. As an example, the COA is asking for a
room for 50 diners
,
when we have never had that many seniors eat lunch on the premises at one
time, and typically the attendance is much less. Without actual average or
median numbers for all activities, how can we assess our needs?  COA also
claims that the town is required to open programming to seniors from other
towns, which is not accurate. You can look at what our neighbors in Concord
 do. The end
result is gargantuan rooms

we
do not need. Let us not make the same mistake we made when we overbuilt the
school.

The other main factor driving the size is the disproportionate amount of
space allocated to administration
,
approximately 5,000 gross square feet of space in my calculation. This
includes separate receptions for each department, private bathrooms and
private breakout rooms. Does COA really need eight individual different
offices plus a huge lobby?

I agree with Lynn we need a hard pause and a new committee who is more
representative of the spectrum of views prevalent among town residents. The
process so far has had a maximalist approach. The experience from peer
towns such as Harvard should cause the town to pause and reflect. Our needs
can be met at a fraction of the cheapest $12.5M option.


>
> *From:* Forest Brown 
> *Date:* September 13, 2023 at 10:42:11 AM EDT
> *To:* "Lynn DeLisi, M.D." 
> *Cc:* Listserv Listserv 
> *Subject:* *Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum*
>
> 
> Dear Lynn,
>
> Thank you so much for thoughtfully describing your perspective. I was also
> wondering about improving upon preexisting buildings as an alternative. I
> am in complete agreement with what you’ve shared here. I appreciate you
> willing to serve on behalf of other residents who feel the same way.
>
> Becca
>
> On Sep 13, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Wednesday September 13, 2023
>
> Dear LT,
>
> I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning
> Board, but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the
> Community Center Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work
> for our Town over the last several months. However, after listening to the
> Community Center Building Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become
> very clear to me that the Town’s vision to improve facilities for the COA
> cannot be accomplished on the school site as “selected” by residents of the
> Town a few years ago. We hired excellent architects who have listened to
> the committee and the public now for several months and have come up with
> 3+ major plans, recommending the middle priced one that is at 75% the
> original very expensive estimate given to us last year. The lowest price
> option was shown to be inadequate for COA activities and would be only as
> one person said “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.
>
> It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”,
> according to the committee leadership, include in our community center
> renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”,
> despite many residents giving input that this program is the school’s
> responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In addition there are
> safety issues related to traffic patterns, increased cars and children
> walking or on bikes to get to and from school and activities.
>
> Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic last
> night, that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee of other
> sites throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center,
> particularly COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have been
> visited, no details about what it would take to renovate them have been
> presented, nor has anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town
> could use other buildings or space, historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd
> or nearby and renovate any 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[dilla tingley]

Lynn,
Thanks for your interest in the Community Center.  It is clear you are very
new to the program.  Please visit the CCBC website where you will find the
final reports for the
 2015 Study Committee.  Five sites in Town were studied, design options
identified and costed ( in 2015 construction cost dollars):
Bemis Hall, Pierce House, Hartwell, Lincoln Station and DPW site.
2016 Campus Master Planning Committee - Evaluated the impact of siting the
CC on the school campus.
2018 CCPPDC with actual designs for buildings at the Hartwell site.
The charge of the current committee doesn't include revisiting these other
sites.
Please read the reports.
We have been challenged by very real needs on that site posed by the LEAP
program, but our PRIMARY DIFFICULTY relates to the astronomical escalation
of construction costs  ( totally out of our control), and the severe
restraints imposed by the Town to look for lower cost options.  Even our
"100%" option provides way less than what was presented in 2018.
Dilla Tingley
COA Board, CCBC Committee Member


On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:29 AM Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Wednesday September 13, 2023
>
> Dear LT,
>
> I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning
> Board, but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the
> Community Center Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work
> for our Town over the last several months. However, after listening to the
> Community Center Building Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become
> very clear to me that the Town’s vision to improve facilities for the COA
> cannot be accomplished on the school site as “selected” by residents of the
> Town a few years ago. We hired excellent architects who have listened to
> the committee and the public now for several months and have come up with
> 3+ major plans, recommending the middle priced one that is at 75% the
> original very expensive estimate given to us last year. The lowest price
> option was shown to be inadequate for COA activities and would be only as
> one person said “moving the COA from one deficient site to another”.
>
> It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”,
> according to the committee leadership, include in our community center
> renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”,
> despite many residents giving input that this program is the school’s
> responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In addition there are
> safety issues related to traffic patterns, increased cars and children
> walking or on bikes to get to and from school and activities.
>
> Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic last
> night, that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee of other
> sites throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center,
> particularly COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have been
> visited, no details about what it would take to renovate them have been
> presented, nor has anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town
> could use other buildings or space, historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd
> or nearby and renovate any of them for a community center that at least
> houses the COA. Mainly, the committee remains on the school campus because
> it is the best place for Parks and Rec to be and many people want to mix
> generations in a “Community Center for All”.
>
> I would like to propose that a new Town Committee be formed of concerned
> residents, who would still like to see the Town have a safe and up-to-date
> improved space for a COA, to conduct activities, but do not want taxes
> raised any further, and be a committee that SERIOUSLY examines existing
> sites that could be renovated, even if it means the cost of purchasing them
> for the Town. I would be happy to serve on such a committee. In the mean
> time until this committee does its work, we should put the Building
> Committee and architects on hold and not have a special Town Meeting to
> vote on the School site options in December. When Town’s residents selected
> the school site as the “best” for a community center, they did not know
> what we know now.
>
> Lynn DeLisi
>
> 125 South Great Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom Noise Hotline

[Patricia Moore via Lincoln]

I voice deep concern about effects of Hanscom as a home owner at Battle Road Farm Condominiums and resident of Lincoln.I’ve lived here about 14 years and experience the growing air and noise pollution. I love my small patio and garden area but slowing rarely sit there anymore. The noise became unbearable. I’m now more elderly and feel the effects on my respiratory system.During Covid, like many I purchased air purifiers to keep air as clean as I can inside my home. I love the feeling of opening my back door to feel the morning air. For a couple of years now I tracked that if open and a plane flew over, the red alert on the purifier goes off.I also continue to work online with clients but in recent months the noise from their flight paths and low altitude mean I have to use earphones. Clients have also asked “what is all that sound coming from.”As well there are times I’m awakened by the noise late at night or in the early morning.Please don’t tell me if I’m unhappy I should just move or that I’m complaining about people in the armed services. I wish only to protect my own health; the health of all who live or work in this area and their children. My concern does not insult military intelligence and appreciation. They live with me and on this Earth like the rest of us. I just pray and wish we could collectively and collaboratively do more for Earth, Animal and Human survival. It is, in my opinion what is being asked of us. I ponder how many more disasters created by humans have to happen. Will we wake up or not.Patricia Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2023, at 10:30 AM, Marcie Karty via Lincoln  wrote:What should we complain about?  Are they allowed to fly at all hours?  Are there limits to where they fly?  I don't want to complain if that is what is expected.  I agree that the amount of traffic has really increased recently, and they seem to fly at all hours of the night.





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Re: [LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Forest Brown]

Dear Lynn,

Thank you so much for thoughtfully describing your perspective. I was also 
wondering about improving upon preexisting buildings as an alternative. I am in 
complete agreement with what you’ve shared here. I appreciate you willing to 
serve on behalf of other residents who feel the same way.

Becca

> On Sep 13, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wednesday September 13, 2023
> 
> Dear LT,
> 
> I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the Town Planning Board, 
> but as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the Community Center 
> Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work for our Town over 
> the last several months. However, after listening to the Community Center 
> Building Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become very clear to me that 
> the Town’s vision to improve facilities for the COA cannot be accomplished on 
> the school site as “selected” by residents of the Town a few years ago. We 
> hired excellent architects who have listened to the committee and the public 
> now for several months and have come up with 3+ major plans, recommending the 
> middle priced one that is at 75% the original very expensive estimate given 
> to us last year. The lowest price option was shown to be inadequate for COA 
> activities and would be only as one person said “moving the COA from one 
> deficient site to another”.
> 
> It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we “must”, 
> according to the committee leadership, include in our community center 
> renovating or rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”, 
> despite many residents giving input that this program is the school’s 
> responsibility and not that of a Community Center. In addition there are 
> safety issues related to traffic patterns, increased cars and children 
> walking or on bikes to get to and from school and activities.
> 
> Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on the topic last 
> night, that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee of other 
> sites throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center, 
> particularly COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have been 
> visited, no details about what it would take to renovate them have been 
> presented, nor has anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town 
> could use other buildings or space, historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd 
> or nearby and renovate any of them for a community center that at least 
> houses the COA. Mainly, the committee remains on the school campus because it 
> is the best place for Parks and Rec to be and many people want to mix 
> generations in a “Community Center for All”.
> 
> I would like to propose that a new Town Committee be formed of concerned 
> residents, who would still like to see the Town have a safe and up-to-date 
> improved space for a COA, to conduct activities, but do not want taxes raised 
> any further, and be a committee that SERIOUSLY examines existing sites that 
> could be renovated, even if it means the cost of purchasing them for the 
> Town. I would be happy to serve on such a committee. In the mean time until 
> this committee does its work, we should put the Building Committee and 
> architects on hold and not have a special Town Meeting to vote on the School 
> site options in December. When Town’s residents selected the school site as 
> the “best” for a community center, they did not know what we know now.
> 
> Lynn DeLisi
> 
> 125 South Great Rd
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom Noise Hotline

[Ellen Waldron]

I know Minuteman Commons complained quite vociferously several years ago about planes being allowed to idle with engines blasting. We’re right behind the runways and it was awful! They did listen and stopped the idling.Of course that was awhile ago though I’ve not been aware they started again.We’ll definitely start complaining again! The more voices the better!ellen (trustee)Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2023, at 1:09 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:The fine is set by the FAA and they are immune to citizen’s concerns over noise, esp. at small airports like Hanscom.But, you should still file a noise complaint…in fact, file many as that does show up in an official record.It’s infuriating!Sara
--Sara Mattes


On Sep 12, 2023, at 9:40 PM, Belinda Gingrich  wrote:From what I gather the private jets pay a trivial fine of ~$500 for flying in and out late at night. I would imagine that fine could go up if enough people complained. What bothers me the most is when they leave an airplane running with its engines blasting for 30 minutes while sitting on the ground. It’s very annoying. Sometimes there is a very loud plane and we don’t see it on the plane app. I guessed that is an air force plane but someone please correct me if that is wrong. On Sep 12, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Marcie Karty  wrote:What should we complain about?  Are they allowed to fly at all hours?  Are there limits to where they fly?  I don't want to complain if that is what is expected.  I agree that the amount of traffic has really increased recently, and they seem to fly at all hours of the night.





On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 09:04:02 PM EDT, Belinda Gingrich  wrote:



The Hanscom Airport Noise Report Line is 781-869-8050. It’s a recorded line and they take all your information and the time of the noise so they can respond and track complaints. Best,Belinda> On Sep 12, 2023, at 6:34 PM, melinda bruno-smith  wrote:> > Howdy neighbors > > I am noticing a significant increase in Hanscom flight ✈️ traffic and corresponding  increase in flight noise.> Would someone please post the phone number of the noise complaint hotline or other ways to register a complaint.> > Thank you> Melinda> > Sent from my iPhone> Melinda Bruno-Smith> > > > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list.> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.> Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.> -- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom Noise Hotline

[Marcie Karty via Lincoln]

What should we complain about?  Are they allowed to fly at all hours?  Are 
there limits to where they fly?  I don't want to complain if that is what is 
expected.  I agree that the amount of traffic has really increased recently, 
and they seem to fly at all hours of the night.
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 09:04:02 PM EDT, Belinda Gingrich 
 wrote:  
 
 The Hanscom Airport Noise Report Line is 781-869-8050. It’s a recorded line 
and they take all your information and the time of the noise so they can 
respond and track complaints. 

Best,
Belinda

> On Sep 12, 2023, at 6:34 PM, melinda bruno-smith  
> wrote:
> 
> Howdy neighbors 
> 
> I am noticing a significant increase in Hanscom flight ✈️ traffic and 
> corresponding  increase in flight noise.
> Would someone please post the phone number of the noise complaint hotline or 
> other ways to register a complaint.
> 
> Thank you
> Melinda
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Melinda Bruno-Smith
> 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom Noise Hotline

[john gregg via Lincoln]

Flights are directed by wind and weather, it is merely an inconvenience as most flights actually take off and land over Concord and Bedford, rarely outside of small aircraft take off over Lincoln, those are facts that can be proved by FAA data. I find it funny that we have people who want to complain about noise to secure their conservatism of their air space over the ability to provide a service to the local communities who benefit the most and get the most noise from Hanscom: Bedford, Concord and Lexington. So people who live on an ordinance of 2 acres of land and push affordable housing to that area of Lincoln and not next to Codman Farms and the MBTA center want to shut down operations of an FAA regulated air space because of noise a couple times a day maybe. I lived in Battle Road Farm and the only noise I ever heard that was consistent was @4am with the MedFlight helicopter, otherwise it was dependent on the wind for takeoff. Thanks, John GreggSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2023, at 1:09 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:The fine is set by the FAA and they are immune to citizen’s concerns over noise, esp. at small airports like Hanscom.But, you should still file a noise complaint…in fact, file many as that does show up in an official record.It’s infuriating!Sara
--Sara Mattes


On Sep 12, 2023, at 9:40 PM, Belinda Gingrich  wrote:From what I gather the private jets pay a trivial fine of ~$500 for flying in and out late at night. I would imagine that fine could go up if enough people complained. What bothers me the most is when they leave an airplane running with its engines blasting for 30 minutes while sitting on the ground. It’s very annoying. Sometimes there is a very loud plane and we don’t see it on the plane app. I guessed that is an air force plane but someone please correct me if that is wrong. On Sep 12, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Marcie Karty  wrote:What should we complain about?  Are they allowed to fly at all hours?  Are there limits to where they fly?  I don't want to complain if that is what is expected.  I agree that the amount of traffic has really increased recently, and they seem to fly at all hours of the night.





On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 09:04:02 PM EDT, Belinda Gingrich  wrote:



The Hanscom Airport Noise Report Line is 781-869-8050. It’s a recorded line and they take all your information and the time of the noise so they can respond and track complaints. Best,Belinda> On Sep 12, 2023, at 6:34 PM, melinda bruno-smith  wrote:> > Howdy neighbors > > I am noticing a significant increase in Hanscom flight ✈️ traffic and corresponding  increase in flight noise.> Would someone please post the phone number of the noise complaint hotline or other ways to register a complaint.> > Thank you> Melinda> > Sent from my iPhone> Melinda Bruno-Smith> > > > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list.> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.> Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.> -- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.

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[LincolnTalk] Last Night's Community Center Forum

[Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln]

Wednesday September 13, 2023

Dear LT,

I am posting my personal views, not as a member of the TownPlanning Board, but 
as one resident of this unique town. I want to thank the CommunityCenter 
Building Committee and the Architects for their hard work for our Townover the 
last several months. However, after listening to the Community CenterBuilding 
Committee’s Forum last evening, it has become very clear to me thatthe Town’s 
vision to improve facilities for the COA cannot be accomplished onthe school 
site as “selected” by residents of the Town a few years ago. Wehired excellent 
architects who have listened to the committee and the publicnow for several 
months and have come up with 3+ major plans, recommending themiddle priced one 
that is at 75% the original very expensive estimate given to uslast year. The 
lowest price option was shown to be inadequate for COAactivities and would be 
only as one person said “moving the COA from onedeficient site to another”.

It was also clear that remaining on the school site means we“must”, according 
to the committee leadership, include in our community centerrenovating or 
rebuilding space for the after school program called “LEAP”,despite many 
residents giving input that this program is the school’sresponsibility and not 
that of a Community Center. In addition there are safetyissues related to 
traffic patterns, increased cars and children walking or onbikes to get to and 
from school and activities.

Furthermore, it was clear from the lack of discussion on thetopic last night, 
that there was no SERIOUS consideration by the committee ofother sites 
throughout Town that could be appropriate for a community center,particularly 
COA functions. While Bemis Hall and the Pierce House have beenvisited, no 
details about what it would take to renovate them have beenpresented, nor has 
anyone taken the time to investigate whether the Town coulduse other buildings 
or space, historic or otherwise, along Lincoln Rd or nearby and renovate anyof 
them for a community center that at least houses the COA. Mainly, thecommittee 
remains on the school campus because it is the best place for Parksand Rec to 
be and many people want to mix generations in a “Community Centerfor All”.

I would like to propose that a new Town Committee be formedof concerned 
residents, who would still like to see the Town have a safe andup-to-date 
improved space for a COA, to conduct activities, but do not wanttaxes raised 
any further, and be a committee that SERIOUSLY examines existingsites that 
could be renovated, even if it means the cost of purchasing them forthe Town. I 
would be happy to serve on such a committee. In the mean time untilthis 
committee does its work, we should put the Building Committee andarchitects on 
hold and not have a special Town Meeting to vote on the Schoolsite options in 
December. When Town’s residents selected the school site as the“best” for a 
community center, they did not know what we know now.

Lynn DeLisi

125 South Great Rd

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