[LincolnTalk] For sale: Yakima Forklift roof rack bike rack

[Andy Wang]

New in box (unused)

Yakima Forklift #02098, roof rack single bike rack.

I didn't bother taking photos of it since it is still in its box, I wasn't 
going to unpack and assemble it just to take a photo.

$100

Retails for $179 (can be found for $143 on sale)

If you want to do Venmo or Paypal, I can leave it for pickup.  Otherwise cash.  
North Lincoln.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free: mountain bike

[Andy Wang]

Claimed with multiple back ups.  Thanks!

Andy



On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:52 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> An older Trek Mountain XC Track 830 mountain bike.
>
> Could use a tune up.
>
> Let me know if you’re interested (and when you could pick up)
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
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[LincolnTalk] Cello concert ?

[Andy Wang]

All,

So I remember getting a postcard a few weeks ago about a cello concert at
Bemis (or maybe somewhere else?).  I think it’s this Friday, not sure what
time and it doesn’t show up on any calendars I’ve found.  Anyone know the
details (e.g. time)?  I can’t seem to find the postcard anywhere.  Thanks.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free Outdoor table and chairs

[Andy Wang]

Table has been taken.  Thanks!



On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:05 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Seeing if anyone is interested in an outdoor table and chair set.
>
> The table is made of aluminum and glass. The chairs are aluminum.
>
> Both could use a thorough cleaning and a fresh spray of paint as it is
> flaking off. I have a set of red cushions for the chairs if you want as
> well.  Three are in decent shape, and I have a fourth that has a tear in
> the fabric on one of the edges.
>
> Pickup in North Lincoln.  Let me know if you’re interested
>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Andy Wang]

As of March, according to the election results.

Andy






On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec 
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec 
> wrote:
>
>> 5000 voters are on record
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>> Mattes 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>
>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>
>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$
>>> for the Community Center.
>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.
>>>
>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group
>>> and see what options are available.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for
>>> change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us
>>> remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>>
>>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>>
>>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>>
>>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>>> again and again!
>>>
>>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You
>>> know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current
>>> Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>>
>>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any
>>> ideas?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Garrick,
>>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>>> It not a drive-by!
>>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box,
>>> there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it
>>> was not because voting was not available tall.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What was outcome of vote?

[Andy Wang]

Article 1 (correction): passed
Article 2 (CC): 100% option will move forward
Article 3 (Commons): passed
Article 4 (HCA): Option C will move forward

645 voted, option C 55% of the vote




On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:30 PM Anne Warner  wrote:

> For those of us who could not attend, what was outcome of vote?
> Anne Warner
> - Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Andy Wang]

[Adding the Selects directly to see if they would consider]

Why not?

The articles as presented in the Warrant are actually not the vote.
Article 1 (correct clerical error) and Article 3 (Oriole Landing) are 'To
see if the Town will vote...' whereas Article 2 (CC) and Article 4 (HCA)
are 'To hear a report from...' and 'To see if the Town will vote to hear a
report from...'  The vote today for both of these items is not actually an
'official' vote in that we're not discussing budgetary items or making a
zoning change. Both of these articles are reports.  The "vote" is
structured as a sense of what the Town wants to do.  In that case, it's
really just a complicated way to get feedback from the town (and not
binding) and if I'm reading that correctly, that wouldn't follow under the
same voting rules as a typical Town Meeting since the vote is NOT the
article in question.

Given that, it also seems like we could have done this as a register at
Town Hall and pick up/fill out a ballot situation early if we wanted to.

Granted, this would not allow voting in subsequent rounds, but I think
people would be happy to just have their voices heard in the first round if
they could not stay the whole time.

I would appreciate it if the Selects / Moderator would confer with Town
Council.

- Andy



‪On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:46 AM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
wrote:‬

> The way town meeting is now, you have to be present in the room during the
> voting to be able to cast your ballot. Voting happens after the debate on
> the topic. When the vote is called, the doors will be closed and only those*
> present in the **room *are able to cast a ballot.
>
> It would be wonderful if town meeting were more inclusive in the future,
> however that is not how it is set up now.
>
> Sarah Postlethwait
> Lewis St
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:06 AM Pat Gray  wrote:
>
>> Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the
>> same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
>> people to have their voices heard.
>> Pat Gray
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Digest, Vol 135, Issue 33

[Andy Wang]

You do *NOT* need to be specially registered to vote on Dec 2 (or any Town
Meeting).  But you do need to be registered to vote in the Town of Lincoln,
in general.  I looked back at the email from the Town Clerk and the wording
could lead you to that conclusion, but I believe it was just poorly worded.

You can check your registration status here:
https://www.sec.state.ma.us/VoterRegistrationSearch/MyVoterRegStatus.aspx

If that says you're ACTIVE, you're good to go.

- Andy







On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 9:02 AM Christi Damico 
wrote:

> If it is true: I doubt it is legal?
> Can someone with Town Elections knowledge confirm or deny the veracity?
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Paula Robinson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wait, is this true?  In order to vote on Dec 2nd we need to be
> registered to vote on ZONING or just need to be a registered voter in
> Lincoln?
> >
> > Please clarify?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Paula Robinson
> > 617.981.1945
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Christi Damico 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is it true that to vote on December 2, a resident must be registered
> for this specific vote only?
> >>
> >> That seems shady.  I can understand the need to register to vote in the
> Town but why register AGAIN for this specific voting opportunity?  I’ve
> never heard of such a thing.
> >>
> >> My mom would like to vote.  She has been very occupied with other big
> issues.  I don’t think she should be disenfranchised from voting because of
> this?  She has been registered to vote in this Town and is a Lincoln
> resident since 1975.
> >>
> >> Christi Damico
> >> Lincoln/WA
> >>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What is the REAL tax increase for the CC project?

[Andy Wang]

The $291-$309 value you're referencing on that page is stated as 'Estimated
tax impact *per $10 mil borrowed*'. That dollar value is also for the FY23
Median Home Value ($1,259,900, which has a median tax bill of $17,488), so
it will vary based on individual home prices.   There is also the chart on
the right of that same slide that provides details on the impact based on
how much is borrowed at multiple price points ($10M, $15M, $20M, $25M) of a
CC.  I believe this chart was provided by FinCom.

The other numbers you point out ($387 - $773 for the median tax bill) are
for the prices that CCBC has estimated ($12.5M, $18.75M, $24.01M) for the
three designs.  It looks like they also used the median tax bill and the
upper $309 value, just scaled to the actual price of the community center.
Note, again these are based on median home price ($1,259,900), so if your
property is more or less than that, it will scale accordingly (e.g.

Not going to argue on the 'prominence' of the presentation, just pointing
out that the values seem to be properly labeled and consistent.

- Andy (not the FinCom one...)






On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 12:20 AM Edward Young via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Be aware that the average $291-$309 per year number for the projected tax
> impact of the Community Center project, as you will see prominently
> displayed to catch your eye on the sixth page of the Select Board’s
> November 16 mailing under the heading “Estimated Tax Impact”  is far LOWER
> than ANY of the actually projected tax increases for ANY of the proposals,
> as set forth in small type on the fourth page of the same Select Board
> mailing. The actual number ranges from “up to $387 increase” to “up to $773
> increase,” depending on the size of the project.
>
> The $291-309 number is printed in large boldface type, and the heading
> “Estimated Tax Impact” above it is printed in even larger boldface type, on
> a page with lots of white space. In contrast, the actual projections of “up
> to $387 increase," “up to $541 increase,” and “up to $773 increase” are
> printed in smaller, non-boldface type on a page of densely packed
> information.
>
> Based on decades of responding to Securities and Exchange Commission
> comments on clients’ drafts of securities law filings, I can say with
> confidence that the SEC would never allow a company to present numbers in
> the manner chosen for the Select Board’s mailing.
>
> Edward Young
> Bedford Road
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

[Andy Wang]

Unfortunately, there are specific rules that govern an Open Town Meeting
like Lincoln that do not allow for matters that are decided at Town Meeting
to be replaced by a traditional ballot vote. Given that the March 2024
meeting will cover two "Hot Topic" Issues, the bonding for the Community
Center and the HCA rezoning, this one I assume is going to be a doozy.  And
that's on top of all the other typical yearly business of the town
(presentations, budget, etc).

I believe there is a possible mechanism to be more inclusive, if the Town
and Moderator decide to:

I propose that we hold Town Meeting in *two* *sessions*.

*Session A: **Presentations, Debate & Amendments only. * Views are
presented, debate to be had, and any amendments are to be discussed and
voted on.  The meeting would be live, streamed, & recorded.  The recording
would be made available for download after the meeting so people who were
not able to attend could catch up on all of the debate, or just educate
themselves on the issues that are of import to them. The moderator could
then simply adjourn the meeting without vote (on the actual question).
They have this power in general for cases when meetings run late and can
re-convene at a later date, provided that date is before the ballot vote.

*Caveats:*
- Anyone attending on-line would NOT be able to pose questions / make
statements, this violates the rules of Town Meeting, you must be present to
be recognized
- Anyone not attending in person would not be able to vote on any amendments
- All questions would need to be called, which closes debate

*Session B: Voting. * This would occur on the last Saturday before the last
Monday in March as required by the town by-laws.  Assuming people have been
to Session A or downloaded and reviewed the material that is relevant to
them, we now have a population of well-informed voters who can come in and
just knock out the votes in succession (the question would have already
"been called" in Session A, which closes further debate).  This format
would be much easier for parents to allow a smaller fixed period of time to
vote on issues and anyone else with a busy schedule.

The actual text of the by-law timing is here:

*"The Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the Saturday before the last
Monday in March in each year at 9:30 A.M. for the transaction of all
business except that the election of officers and the determination of such
matters as by law are required to be elected or determined by ballot shall
take place on the last Monday in March, when the polls shall be open from
7:30 A.M. until 7:00 P.M., or to such later time up to 8:00 P.M. as the
Moderator may determine, provided, however, that whenever the date for the
Annual Town Meeting, as hereby established, falls on the Saturday before
Easter Sunday, the Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the preceding
Saturday, although the Election and ballot questions hereinabove described
shall still be held on the last Monday in March."*

Not covered in this:
- Military / Reserve duty votes are still not able to be counted
- Foreign nationals that live in town, and even those that live in town and
own property that would be impacted can not vote
- Proxy voting is not allowed

Unfortunately, those would require many more changes, but I believe we can
do a two session Town Meeting under current guidelines.

Of course, Town Council would have to review, but I believe this is in the
realm of the possible. NH has specific rules that allow for this, but I do
not believe that there are rules that preclude it in MA. And if there are
rules, I would propose that we change the by-laws to support this
structure.  I believe this would make town meeting more accessible to a
wider range of town people and more representative of the desires of the
Town.

Sorry...that ended up longer than I intended.  I'll save my musing about
electronic voting and other efficiencies for another opportunity

- Andy

























On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:07 PM Caitlin Hogue 
wrote:

> Also, I apologize for writing students instead of kids in a sentence below
> — my work brain was apparently still functioning!
>
> Katy
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:49 PM Caitlin Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> Babysitting has been offered recently.
>>
>> Respectfully, however, it’s not something that all parents can utilize.
>> Not all kids will be comfortable in a large group babysitting setting where
>> they don’t know the adults/babysitters. It’s not a great setting for
>> babies/toddlers who are napping (if they even take babies — I think it may
>> be school-age only). I also assume there is no medical staff so students
>> requiring a nurse can’t go (I may be wrong on that one).
>>
>> As a working parent who works in a public school and ends up at lots of
>> night meetings, I don’t want to spend my whole Saturday away from my kids.
>> Although these meetings are not that often, it actually does feel more
>> often than I would have expected. With a mili

Re: [LincolnTalk] November 21st meeting - question

[Andy Wang]

I separated out this part so I could ask the Selects, but thought I would
include Lincoln Talk as well.

Selects/HCAWG:

Is the Dec 2nd "vote" actually binding in any way? For that matter, is the
HCAWG output binding or are they just presenting their work to the Selects
who are the arbitrators of what gets put on the ballot?  I'm just unclear
on the actual relationship between those two entities and who has authority
to do what and was hoping to get some clarification.

You initially asked for suggestions for other options to be included but I
wanted to express concerns that presenting any specific options (C, D, E,
whatever) is going to be uninformative. If I heard correctly (and this may
have changed since the last meeting), there isn't going to be a
presentation, just a rank choice vote.  I know there are several folks
tracking this very closely, but I'll go out on a limb and say a lot of
folks are not. I get a lot of, 'Oh yeah, what's going on with that?'
comments when I've asked various people. Having the town rank choice vote
without context is not really going to lead to anything informative at
best, and misleading at worst.  I think there is a better way to use the
event to get a sense of what the HCAWG/Selects should put together for the
March vote.  I would suggest an alternate structure:

Knowing that 20% of the HCA zoning must occur within 0.5 Miles of the
commuter rail. I think the justification for the districts should stand on
their own and we should ask the town if we should include.  Check all that
apply.

(a) The Mall
(b) Lincoln Station
(c) Codman Rd
(d) ... I'm sure there's other options here as well as well as variations
of the above (more inclusive/less inclusive)

Maybe provide the % each one would contribute, knowing they need to add to
20%.

Knowing that 80% of the zoning must occur "somewhere".  I think the rank
choice voting, or just a vote here would be:

Should the HCAWC look to re-zone:
(a) 80% within the .5 mile radius of the commuter rail station.  This would
create a denser development (e.g. traffic, housing), but also closer to
retail and mass transit.  This includes larger parcels and current
individual land owners
(b) 80% in existing multi-family developments.  This would allow us to be
compliant with HCA, but likely not lead to redevelopment in those areas.
Other areas would follow the same Town Meeting processed we have used
historically
(c) 80% as existing R-1 (or other types) of parcels around town. This could
create a distribution of smaller developments around town (min. 5 acres
each) made up of properties of individual land owners
(d) a mix of the above.  Would possibly provide a mix of the previous
choices

(note, I've tried to make the language neutral...but you know).  It would
be useful for a short narrative to accompany choices.

These are all just notional options, but I think would be a better sense of
the town than asking about complex packages.  I think there is some middle
of the road option in all of this.

I just wanted to share that thought.

Andy





On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 11:10 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> The issue wasn't whether the E proposals DO allow for development (Sarah
> is correct, they do).  It is whether they WILL be developed.  David said in
> his email "Why Lincoln should overlay HCA zoning over existing multi-family
> districts (Nov 5, 2023)" : "I believe the town would be better served by
> separating as much as possible the zoning exercise required for compliance
> approval from actual development. Zoning existing multifamily developments
> accomplishes that goal, as those properties already have the
> characteristics we would like to see and they are unlikely to be
> redeveloped."  So the proposals are, by design, intended to comply with the
> letter of the law of the HCA, but "unlikely to be redeveloped".  From what
> I understood, David was the one who put the initial group of E together.
> That's not to say that isn't a valid strategy, it just doesn't seem to
> align with what the charge of the HCAWG was supposed to do.  At least my
> impression was the HCAWG charge was to put forth proposals that are
> compliant with the letter of the law as well as the spirit of the law, it's
> just my impression that those follow the letter of the law, but not the
> spirit of the law.
>
> Sarah - if there are specific E proposals that you think are compliant
> with the spirit of the law, can you point me at those? Maybe I missed
> something there and happy to give it another look.
>
> - Andy
>
>
> ‪On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:27 AM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
> wrote:‬
>
>> Hopefully the members of the HCAWG or Select board will reply to your
>> question regarding the November 21st meeting, I know it is something many
>> of u

Re: [LincolnTalk] Travel Trac bicycle trainer

[Andy Wang]

Bicycle trainer has been taken.  Thanks all.

Andy



On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:55 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Travel Trac Comp Fluid indoor bicycle trainer.
>
> $40 OBO (proceeds will be donated to LSF or LPTO in any case)
>
> Andy
>
>
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[LincolnTalk] Swap Shed button maker

[Andy Wang]

I dropped off a button maker at the swap shed maybe a week or two ago.  I
found a part that you’ll need.  Reach out if you picked it up.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Yet another HCA email

[Andy Wang]

I'm surprised at the demonization of the Rural Land Foundation (RLF) in
possible development efforts and at the same time touting the 'character'
of Lincoln with all of its natural beauty. Isn't the RLF and the Lincoln
Land Conservation Trust (LLCT) , both of which operate as separate
entities, but share the same Board, responsible for a lot of that natural
beauty and conservation in town? Are folks suggesting that the RLF would
suddenly do an about face and suggest a development plan that would go
against its long standing tradition of stewardship and conservation of
Lincoln? That seems unlikely to me.  If we had to pick an organization that
would have a hand in guiding a large development near Lincoln Station, I
would think the RLF would be near the top of the list.  Just something to
think about.

- Andy



On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:48 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> In response to the question of whether developers are knocking on our
> door, Lincoln’s own RLF has been working with a developer, Civico, on a
> 125-unit building in the mall area (slide 26 of the SOTT deck). Civico is
> the same developer that built Oriole Landing.
>
> It is very important to note that under the proposal, village center
> rezoning will allow developers to build simply by getting a building permit
> with no need to go to town meeting (slide 9 of the SOTT deck).
>
> Given that the Chair and the Executive Director of the RLF sit on the HCA
> working group, and that the RLF will benefit from the development, it’s
> reasonable to expect that this project will quickly follow any rezoning.
>
> The HCA allows for only 10% affordable housing, so we will end up with ~13
> affordable units and 112 units at Oriole Landing prices (which seem to
> start at $4K per month).
>
> It’s naive to think that more developers will not follow Civico once we
> rezone. Existing Lincoln parcel owners will have a material financial
> incentive to sell to developers.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 5:19 PM Susanna Szeto  wrote:
>>
>>> If we look around town, the multi-family we have in town now are most
>>> tucked away.  They do not hit you in the face as the proposal to the
>>> development on Codman Road.  I doubt it will achieve the economic diversity
>>> people are looking for if the rent is as high as the Oriole Landing!  I
>>> hope we can pause and study how the rezoning will affect the traffic in
>>> town before we jump into this!  I have read on Lincoln Talk the developer
>>> is already knocking on our doorstep!  Is that true?
>>> Susanna S
>>> Giles Road
>>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 5:06 PM, Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Greg,
>>> Conservation restrictions apply irrespective of zoning. The conservation
>>> restrictions on Codman and Drumlin (and elsewhere in town, including areas
>>> around South Lincoln) prevent those areas from being developed. State law
>>> makes it extremely difficult to remove land from conservation - it has to
>>> be replaced with equally valuable land.
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 5:00 PM Greg H. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All,

 Thank you to everyone on the housing committee for your service. I'd
 like to respectfully add my $0.02 from the peanut gallery in support of a
 pause / step back in rezoning plans.

 It seems to me that there are three distinct philosophies/options we
 could pursue, but that we are fully focused on #3.

 *Options*
 1. Drag our feet and/or consider noncompliance: favor Lincoln's rural
 character above all else
 2. Comply in letter but not fully in spirit: where possible, overlay
 new zoning on existing multi-family and/or commercial development to
 mitigate the impact
 3. Wholeheartedly comply in both letter and spirit: build as much new
 housing as possible near the commuter rail

 I understand that many believe we have a moral responsibility to build
 more housing in Lincoln (and while I disagree, I respect that view) but I
 believe as stewards we also have a moral responsibility to maintain as much
 "green" as possible and to preserve the rural character of our town for
 future generations. I'm especially concerned that creating a Cold Brook
 Crossing on Codman Rd will both a) unnecessarily cut down a lot of trees,
 and b) materially change Codman Farm, Drumlin Farm, and the rest of South
 Lincoln, forever.

 I support increasing Lincoln's diversity (including economic
 diversity), and I realize that #3 might help us achieve that, but this
 feels like a very big step that we might come to regret. I think Lincoln is
 special precisely because it is undeveloped - I'm not sure we can have it
 both ways.

 Thank you for reading,

 Greg Haines
 41 Lincoln Rd

 (As an aside, I'm also not sure I'm prepared for the additional traffic
 the development will spur. Traffic is already backed up almost

Re: [LincolnTalk] 10/10/2023 Housing Choice Multi-Board Zoom info

[Andy Wang]

It was on the agenda:

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87112784085?pwd=cElRdmc5VjYycVRqQmdIOFJrd0ZwZz09

Meeting ID: 871 1278 4085
Passcode: 579235


On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:06 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> All -
>
> There is no Zoom link posted for the HCA meeting.  Only separate 1 for
> CCBC.  Can someone forward to the group if they have the HCA one?
>
> Calendar page for tonight's Planning board meeting ...
>
> https://www.lincolntown.org/Calendar.aspx?EID=11302&month=10&year=2023&day=10&calType=0
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Rob
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 5:56 PM Deborah Howe via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> I don’t know — I have just seen the agenda and Zoom link, so am planning
>> to go online for it myself, in case it’s all virtual.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 1:48 PM, lisa freedman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Silly question about this meeting- it is only virtual or is there an in
>> person option?
>> I can't tell from the town website.
>> Also, does anyone have a more detailed agenda?  The one on the town
>> website is pretty vague.
>> --
>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of THERESA
>> KAFINA via Lincoln 
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2023 6:54 PM
>> *To:* Deborah Howe 
>> *Cc:* lincoln@lincolntalk.org 
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] 10/10/2023 Housing Choice Multi-Board Zoom
>> info
>>
>> Thank You Deborah!
>> If I am reading this correctly…. It looks like  a “ final vote” is
>> approaching all of us much too quickly.
>> The town planning Board seems to be in a real rush, which I find quite
>> Scary especially when MANY residents are ill informed …on a major building
>> proposal that is going to directly impact the landscape of this quaint
>> small town.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Theresa Kafina
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 9, 2023, at 12:54 PM, Deborah Howe via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > For those who haven’t gone onto the Town website to pull up the
>> Planning Board calendar, here is the agenda and Zoom link for Tuesday
>> night’s Multi-Board meeting about the Housing Choice options.
>> >
>> > As the agenda points out, this meeting is scheduled for the various
>> Town boards involved to select a “final configuration” of the Town’s
>> proposed 3A Housing Choice District.
>> >
>> > If you are interested in the disposition of density in Lincoln, and
>> think that perhaps more citizen discussion and input might lead to a
>> solution that accomplishes the Commonwealth’s goals while reflecting better
>> this Town’s character, this is the Zoom call to join.
>> >
>> > You can get the same info from the Planning Board website, but for
>> quick reference (the Town site loaded verry slowly for me), here it is:
>> >
>> > 7 pm, Tuesday, 10/10/23, at the link highlighted below.
>> >
>> > See you on Zoom ~
>> >
>> > Deb Howe
>> > 
>> >
>> >
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[LincolnTalk] PSA: 2A closures (8:50pm)

[Andy Wang]

As of 8:50pm, it looks like rt 2a is closed going westbound at Mill Street
and eastbound from Sunnyside Ln.  When I came up Bedford rd, I was able to
go eastbound, but coming back was redirected onto Mill St to go to rt 2.
No idea how long it will last, but thought I’d let folks know.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Randomness of the evening: what is this song?

[Andy Wang]

Crazy Train by Ozzy Osbourne!  Former music teacher for the win!

Back to you’re regularly scheduled programming…

Andy



On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Total randomness of the evening…there is a clip on youtube of blue man
> group performing a song that sounds really familiar.  Can anyone identify
> what this is from?  It’s driving my kid crazy!
>
>
> https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5CLGuAVUiGhbeFEn4QEnSt0bQkLlEFhG?feature=shared
>
> Famous rift?  Theme song from an old tv show?
>
> Name that tune!
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
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[LincolnTalk] Randomness of the evening: what is this song?

[Andy Wang]

Total randomness of the evening…there is a clip on youtube of blue man
group performing a song that sounds really familiar.  Can anyone identify
what this is from?  It’s driving my kid crazy!

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5CLGuAVUiGhbeFEn4QEnSt0bQkLlEFhG?feature=shared

Famous rift?  Theme song from an old tv show?

Name that tune!

Andy
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[LincolnTalk] PSA: Bedford road closed north south at rt 2

[Andy Wang]

PSA:

As of 7:37 pm:

Bedford rd is closed going north to south across rt 2.

Bedford rd is also blocked north of rt 2 between silver birch lane and rt
2a due to a HUGE tree in the road.
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[LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[Andy Wang]

I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around
town.  I was under the impression that the ones that are from
baystatetextiles (schools and transfer station) will take clean old
clothing (e.g stuff with holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The
other ones from Red Cross (transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is
looking for clean and usable clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that
correct?  Thanks.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom Drive roadwork update?

[Andy Wang]

I could be mistaken, but I think the original poster was actually referring
to the road work, not the runway work.   The road work into Hanscom via
Sarain gate (formerly Vandenburg gate) is currently being worked.  The
intersection of Old Bedford Rd. and Hanscom Drive will be a more standard 4
way intersection instead of whatever you call what it was previously.  At
the same time, they are also constructing a new visitors center and search
area and gate house.  I thought it was supposed to be four or five months,
but it feels like it's been  longer than that.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 12:39 PM Alice Waugh  wrote:

> This was also in the Lincoln Squirrel:
>
> Hanscom runway repaving will affect nearby Lincoln residents
> 
>  (March 27, 2023)
>
>
> Alice Waugh
>
> Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel  and The
> Lincoln Chipmunk 
>
> lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com
>
> 617-710-5542 (mobile)
>
> www.watusiwords.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot 
> wrote:
>
>> I am hoping someone might have access to information about the Sarain
>> gate/Hanscom drive roadwork. I can’t seem to find anything on the web other
>> than the initial Hansoom AFB news report from Nov 2022. What is the
>> projected completion date.  Will the new traffic pattern be permanent?
>> Will the prior traffic pattern return or something in between?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Carol
>> Virginia Rd Resident,
>>
>>
>>
>> The project will take place over a 37 day period, but work will only be
>> done during the day Monday-Friday in that period (20 working days).
>>
>> More information is available in Bedford Citizen articles.
>>
>>
>> https://thebedfordcitizen.org/2023/05/work-on-lincoln-side-of-short-hanscom-runway-begins-june-5/
>>
>>
>> https://thebedfordcitizen.org/2023/03/bedford-escapes-most-of-this-summers-runway-resurfacing/
>>
>>
>> Here is the full description from the last Massport projects report.
>>
>> July 2022: Runway 5-23 south of Runway 11-29 is scheduled for
>> rehabilitation during summer of 2023. Additional project information will
>> be available once the project team has been selected. January 2023: The
>> advertising date is February 15th with scheduled bid opening on March 8th.
>> The project is estimated to begin on June 1 and take approximately 35 days.
>> February 2023: The bid was posted on February 15th and closes on March 8.
>> The project team will update HFAC at the March 2023 meeting. March 2023:
>> The project is anticipated to begin June 1 and there will be a full closure
>> of the runway for 37 days. April 2023: Massport will issue a press release
>> for the project which will include contact information. Scheduled updates
>> will likely appear on the Massport website. A link to the information will
>> be provided to HFAC when it is available. May 2023: Project is expected
>> to begin on June 5. Concerns can be made via the noise line (781) 869-8050
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Survey Responses Regarding the Community Center Location

[Andy Wang]

My sense on the amendment was probably closer to Krystal's, after all, it
is a Building Committee, not a Study Committee (folks can argue what it
SHOULD be at this stage, but that is what it IS).  I'm sure a lot of people
walked away from that meeting (and probably voted) with different
impressions though.

My impression was there was support to move the process forward for the
CCBC to explore the options for construction of a Community Center at the
Hartwell location, while also reviewing assumptions about programming space
requirements and taking into consideration the ability to use facilities at
other sites in order to reduce the overall footprint / cost / scale of a
building at Hartwell Campus.  The 2022 vote was support to *develop options*
to build at Hartwell, not necessary support to build.  At least that was
the impression I was voting with: Provide necessary funds to the committee
for them to come back with a proposal that they believe will pass a 2/3
vote to bond in 2024. That vote in 2024 is what would determine if there
was support to build at Hartwell.

Also, for those throwing around words like "monolith", I'm curious what the
threshold is between monolith and reasonable?  I believe the Total Gross SF
for New Construction in the previous final report in 2018 was 23,436 sq ft
(19,530 + 20% net to gross multiplier).  The current draft proposal

looks like 17,948 sq ft (12820+40% net to gross multiplier).  About 23%
reduction from that.  For size reference, each existing pod is about 4,600
sq ft. Bemis is about 7,290 net sq ft, with COA using about 5,000 sq ft.
 Given that two of the pods would be replaced, that's 14,200 sq ft total.
I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole of arguing how much space one
group or another needs.  'Monolith', I suppose, is in the eye of the
beholder, I just wanted to put into perspective the sizes of existing space
relative to the proposal.

- Andy






On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:06 PM Kathy Madison via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Yes, regarding the amendment passed on Nov 22, I also heard that a
> Community Center design would explore expanded use of spaces, as part of
> presenting a range of financial options. Not that there would be one big
> building option.
>
> My understanding was that this survey was meant to elicit thoughts,
> opinions and preferences of residents.
>
> So it is disappointing to read that when when "residents expressed their
> continuing interest in locating the Center at Lincoln Station, or in the
> consideration of other locations around town,”  the response is outrightly
> rejected/defended against. A process of solving a problem demands
> creativity, not reinforcing a foregone conclusion.
>
> Lincoln is a small town. We can have multi-generational experiences simply
> by shopping at Donelans!
> Seriously, focusing more on town/citizen needs (including fiscal
> constraints) than on designing a monolith is key to arriving at a solution!
>
> Kathy Madison
>
>
> On May 3, 2023, at 11:36 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Sadly, the focus on a monolith is constraining creativity.
> What if, rather than simply dismissing Linocln Station as the host for a
> monolith, we looked for a smaller space for a long-term lease of a “drop
> in” center- ca community space for folks to stop, sit, bring something to
> eat form home, the Twisted Tree, Donelans, Country Pizza?
> Have a Senior Work-Off individual be in place to maintain order.
> People could drop in as they went to PO or wanted to have a central place
> to meet friends and neighbors.
> The campus is not central and does not lend itself to this form of
> socializing.
> A more modest vision about how to use Lincoln Station would bring more
> traffic to our small commercial district and provide a central location for
> community engagement.
> This would not preclude expansion of housing in the area, only expand
> mixed use.
>
> We need more collaboration and sharing of spaces across town, not
> less…more on ideas for that at a later date.
>
> As to intergenerational activities, the programing and traffic
> considerations preclude potential for this to be realized on the Hartwell
> Campus.
> Adult activities end as youth programs begin.
> Facilities will offer multi-generational , not inter-generational use.
>
>
> And, finally, I respectfully disagree on the sense of the amendment passed
> at Spc. Town Meeting.
> My read was there was a clear desire for continued use and potential
> expansion of use of alternative spaces for programming…an expanded use of
> spaces off campus.
> I am curious what others heard.
>
> Sara
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2023, at 9:37 PM, Krystal Wood <
> ccbccommunicationscommit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *Survey Responses regarding the Community Center Location.*
>
>
> While the motion approved at the November 2022

Re: [LincolnTalk] Annual Town Meeting 2023

[Andy Wang]

I have been curious about something regarding the Town Meeting process
itself:

Is it possible for Town Meeting to occur over two weekends?

*First Weekend: *Reserved for presentation of materials, debate,
amendments, discussion, listening to your neighbors and peers and then
adjourned (without vote, except for those related to amendments),

*In-Between Week:* Meeting posted online for town citizens who could not
attend to view recording

*Second Weekend: *Gather to vote only, no further amendments allowed.

I believe that NH has specific laws that allow this, but I didn't see
anything in MA General Laws that would preclude it (though, admittingly,
it's a dense read).  MAGL does allow the moderator to adjourn a meeting
without completion to be concluded at a future date.  I know we try to do
some of this with the committees doing all of the pre-meetings in the hopes
that questions get addressed prior to Town Meeting, but it seems,
especially for discussion, that a lot of folks still want to make comments
for the wider audience to consider.  I was just thinking of ways to be able
to include more people, with busy schedules, to hear disccussion/debate on
their own time, and vote for issues that impact them.

I was just curious if the moderator or anyone else has dug deeper than I
have to see if this type of organization is permitted.

- Andy



On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:48 AM Sarah Cannon Holden <
sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lincoln Voters and other Interested Parties.
>
> Our ANNUAL TOWN MEETING is SATURDAY.   Please arrive early to check in
> anytime after 8:30.
>
>  I want to start ON TIME at 9:30 AM.  As is said — To be early is to be on
> time!!
>
> I look forward to seeing you at this annual gathering of Lincoln
> residents.
>
> Sarah Cannon Holden
> Town Meeting Moderator
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act - discussion of financial implications

[Andy Wang]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 7:05 PM David Cuetos  wrote:

>
> If people have in-the-weeds questions about the model, I would prefer to
> address those via private email to spare everyone else (Andy Wang I am
> looking at you 😊).
>

You sass'n me, man?  Cause this is all very straightforward and I have no
follow up questions on your model.

(but if I do, I'll hit you up privately...that may take some time to
digest...)

- Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School attrition data going back to 2016

[Andy Wang]

I appreciate Karla's characterization better "I am not making an assumption
as to why our attrition is higher, but I do think it is worth
investigating."

But, I don't even think it's necessary to argue if it is high, or low, or
higher or lower compared to this town or another town. I think it's
perfectly reasonable to just ask the school committee to make an inquiry to
the administration, "Are students / parents currently asked when they leave
the district, why they are leaving?  If not, how can we support putting a
process in place to track where students are going, and why, so we can
better understand flows out of the school system".   I imagine there are
some privacy laws in place that would prevent all data from being released,
but aggregate data could be useful.  I also imagine some data is available
given that we probably transfer school records to at least know
disposition, if not the reason.

- Andy



On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 1:04 PM Peter Speert  wrote:

> Excellent point, Barb. Would it be feasible to send questionnaires to
> families that have recently left the school system to ask what motivated
> them?
>
> Peter Speert
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 22, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Barbara Low  wrote:
>
> 
> Without exit interviews, we don't know why that is taking place. And if a
> child is removed from the Lincoln School for whatever reason, it is very
> easy for the rest of the children in the family to follow even if they lack
> the precipitating issue. Different vacation schedules can be a very strong
> reason for the family's convenience. How do we not lose the first child? No
> one should object to gathering more information so school actions are not
> taken or avoided due to ignorance.
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> Kupperstein 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2023 10:23 AM
> *To:* Karla Gravis 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School attrition data going back to
> 2016
>
> I've been in Lincoln for over 30 years now and parents have been moving
> kids out of Lincoln schools ever since I can remember.   They do it for a
> variety of reasons and academic excellence is often *not* the main
> reason.At different times I remember parents being concerned about
> discipline in the schools, lack of structure, lack of desired
> extracurricular activities, etc.   Very often, many parents want their kids
> to go to schools similar to the ones they went to, whether that means
> private schools, parochial schools, more structured, ..., whatever.
>
> I'd caution against taking *this* data as a sign that Lincoln schools
> aren't performing well enough.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 9:13 AM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Since the topic of trends has come up, I pulled together attrition data
> for previous years, straight from the DOE website:
>
> School 2016-2017 2017-2018 2018-2019 2019-2020 2020-2021 2021-2022
> 2022-2023
> Lincoln 6.2 6.8 7.1 6.8 7.8 5.0 8.5
> Carlisle 2.7 3.7 4.0 2.9 4.3 2.3 3.5
> Dover/Sherborn 2.7 3.0 3.1 3.1 4.8 4.1 3.0
> Lexington 3.7 3.0 4.0 2.5 6.2 5.9 4.2
> Going back as far as 2016, Lincoln School consistently has the highest
> attrition in this group (with only one single exception in 2021 where
> Lexington was higher, but we were still higher than Carlisle and
> Dover/Sherborn). Getting this data is a very manual process, which is why I
> focused on our similar districts plus Lexington that was used as a
> comparison, but I am happy to add other towns if people are interested.
>
> It's not a difference of 1 - 2 students. Carlisle has a similar size to
> ours (383 in grades 2-7 versus our 356). If we had had their attrition
> coming into 2022-2023, we would have lost 18 fewer children. I am not
> making an assumption as to why our attrition is higher, but I do think it
> is worth investigating.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Something wrong with Town of Lincoln web site?

[Andy Wang]

It's back!

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 9:05 AM Jennifer Glass via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> There is something up with the site. Town Offices is aware and looking
> into it!
>
> On Mar 20, 2023, at 8:57 AM, Leslie Turek  wrote:
>
> Is it just me, or is there something wrong with the Town of Lincoln web
> site? When I go to lincolntown.org, this is what I get.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Old globe?

[Andy Wang]

Thanks all!  We found a globe we can use.

- Andy

On Sun, Mar 5, 2023 at 12:04 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Random request of the weekend:
>
> Does anyone have an old globe they’re getting rid of?  Son needs it for a
> school project (to take apart.
>
> Andy
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[LincolnTalk] Old globe?

[Andy Wang]

Random request of the weekend:

Does anyone have an old globe they’re getting rid of?  Son needs it for a
school project (to take apart.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] $2 Canadian coin?

[Andy Wang]

Thanks all!  I’m all set with my random request of the day!

Andy



On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 2:19 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Does anyone happen to have a $2 Canadian coin they might be willing to
> loan or sell to me? Looking for some kind of coin with about a 28mm
> diameter (bigger than a U.S. 1 dollar, but smaller than a 1/2 dollar…).
> Not looking for anything collectible.  Can sometimes find them online, but
> would like to check the size before I do.
>
> Andy
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[LincolnTalk] $2 Canadian coin?

[Andy Wang]

Does anyone happen to have a $2 Canadian coin they might be willing to loan
or sell to me? Looking for some kind of coin with about a 28mm diameter
(bigger than a U.S. 1 dollar, but smaller than a 1/2 dollar…).  Not looking
for anything collectible.  Can sometimes find them online, but would like
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Re: [LincolnTalk] mini-splits etc. & sub-zero temperatures

[Andy Wang]

I was also interested in how other peoples’ units did.  Ours did not keep
up particularly well.  I have a Mitsubishi unit with Hyper Heat. Would
probably do better in a home that is better insulated, ours is not
particularly well insulated.  The efficiency curve drops off at very low
temperatures.

Andy





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> Do you mean heat pumps? My aux heater kept temps a little bit lower than
> my thermostat setting, but not bad. It had recently been replaced and the
> new one seems to be doing better than the old one.
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:
>
>> I was wondering how people with air-to-air heat exchangers managed during
>> our very cold night.
>>
>> Rich
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Let's not rush choosing our new Middle School Principal

[Andy Wang]

All,

I wanted to call out a nuance in Peter's email regarding the inclusion of
the incoming superintendent in the process that I want to make sure people
are aware of.

In Becky's Dec 21 Letter From The Superintendent (
https://www.lincnet.org/Page/5798), she says this:

"I hope to create a process that *will allow the newly appointed
superintendent to participate in the finalist stage and make the final
decision to appoint a principal*. This means that the process will likely
be completed in late February or early March." (emphasis is mine).  She
echoes those sentiments in the letter Peter linked as well.

The superintendent decision was planned for Feb 7, so this lines up with
that schedule.

Peter's interpretation was "Our incoming Superintendent will only have a
token opportunity to bless the candidate selected by the current
Administration team."

I'll leave as an exercise to the reader on the judgement on the accuracy of
Peter's interpretation of the process.

- Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Communication with School Committee

[Andy Wang]

Hi Karla,

I don't know, I think the suggestion to kick the committee off of Lincoln
Talk so we can skirt the quorum is playing games, but that's just my
opinion.  I'm bringing up considerations to ideas where there might be
things they overlooked that may make that difficult. I thought that was
part of brainstorming.  Did you not like my Comment Tracker idea?  That was
a suggestion, I thought it was pretty good.

- Andy





On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 3:26 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> I don’t think anyone is suggesting we play games. People are bringing up
> different ideas and Peter specifically said: “I’m not a lawyer, but I think
> Town Counsel could help the Lincoln School Committee establish rules to
> ensure that there's better and more frequent two way communications between
> the public and the Committee using Lincoln Talk while avoiding any Open
> Meeting violations.”
>
>
>
> What we’re all trying to brainstorm here are possible forums to engage as
> a community and debate important issues. I am hearing you bring up
> opposition to each of the ideas being put forth (memo won’t work, meeting
> won’t work - even though it worked for the CCBC, emails won’t work, Lincoln
> talk won’t work), but no suggestions.
>
>
>
> If I refer to the School Committee's posted "Role and Responsibilities"
> document (page 2, here
> ),
> it specifically says, under SC Role: "Facilitate two-way communication
> between SC and community." I don't think this is happening, at least not in
> the same manner as with other committees in town like the CCBC. Another
> document on the SC site (here
> )
> states there are 3 different types of meetings the SC can hold to interact
> with the public: “special meetings”, “forums” and “public hearings”. So the
> precedent exists for the SC to have an open discussion with the public.
>
>
>
> You wrote:
>
>
>
> “I think it falls back that this is an elected body and the town selects
> candidates that they think represent their views or have a platform of
> communication to push issues for them.”
>
>
>
> I don’t think that’s fair, and does not follow the SC “Role” guidelines
> above. Yes, these are elected positions, but there still needs to be a
> forum where issues can be brought up and debated. Some candidates serve for
> years. New, different issues come up. People move in and out of town. When
> I moved to Lincoln, the committee was already in place, so I had not had
> the opportunity to vote for someone who I “think represents my views”. Are
> we suggesting any concerns I have cannot be debated unless there is an
> election AND only if my preferred candidate wins?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Let's not rush choosing our new Middle School Principal

[Andy Wang]

Peter,

Was that accurate to say 'by a Committee that shockingly does not include a
single Lincoln parent or resident-at-large'?  Jessica Llaverias is listed
as a parent.

*Search Committee:*

Superintendent – Becky McFall

Assistant Superintendent – Jess Rose

Middle School Principal – Erich Ledebuhr

Lincoln School Principal – Sarah Collmer

Administrator for Student Services – Lisa Berard

Interim Student Services Coordinator/Special Educator – Keriann Gilman

Classroom Teacher – Julie Barkin

Classroom Teacher – Amanda Sykes

Classroom Teacher – Karen Sheppard

Administrative School Secretary – Maureen Belt

Parent – Jessica Llaverias

Also, I believe the staffing responsibility for principals falls on the
superintendent, not the school committee.  (
https://www.lincnet.org/cms/lib/MA01001239/Centricity/domain/3/public_documents/process/SCSupRoles.pdf).
There is a clear separation of roles listed.

- Andy




On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 3:09 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> Dear School Committee Members and Lincoln Talk,
>
>
> *If you agree with my email below, please forward this email to the
> schoolc...@lincnet.org  with your agreement that we
> should hold off on hiring a new Middle School principal*.
>
>
>
> I believe we are about to make a big mistake. In our hurry to find a new
> Principal for the Middle School, the School Committee has forgotten about
> the importance of our new Superintendent getting the opportunity to build
> his/her own team. As many of you know, our Middle School principal Sharon
> Hobbs is retiring at the end of this school year. Our current plan
>  is to have our retiring
> Superintendent run point on the search, selecting candidates and conducting
> interviews before we have even had a chance to select our new
> Superintendent. The retiring Superintendent will be assisted by a Committee
> that shockingly does not include a single Lincoln parent or
> resident-at-large. Our incoming Superintendent will only have a token
> opportunity to bless the candidate selected by the current Administration
> team.
>
>
>
> Given the immense importance of getting this candidate right and ensuring
> that our new Superintendent is set for success, I strongly encourage the
> School Committee to put this process on hold. Our new Superintendent should
> have an opportunity to become acquainted with our school to
> properly determine the specific skills required for the job before
> beginning this process. At a future time,our new Superintendent should have
> the opportunity to lead this process and have a say on the Search Committee
> members and the candidates selected. Said Committee should make a real
> effort to get a strong contingent of Lincoln parents and residents
> representing a broad spectrum of views. Our new Superintendent might decide
> that the school would be better served by placing an interim Principal and
> in my opinion that would be fine. We will be better off waiting for the
> right person who can work together effectively with our new Superintendent
> than rushing to make a subpar decision that impairs our school.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Peter Buchthal
>
> Candidate for School Committee
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Communication with School Committee

[Andy Wang]

rom the Town Administration on
> this topic since December.
>
> As it relates to engaging with the School Committee, you are making it a
> lot more complicated than it needs to be. Other Committees have done this
> in the past. The School Committee could send an agenda that states it will
> be discussing matters of school policy if it desired to celebrate the open
> forum I mentioned. As to public comment, nothing prevents the Committee
> from providing a factual answer to town residents who ask a question, that
> is not deliberation. Two-way communication with the community is one of
> their major responsibilities.
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 22:52 Andy Wang  wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Well, the school committee may not be able to respond directly, but I
>> wanted to put forward some thoughts:
>>
>> On the two issues you mentioned, did you get an active response that they
>> are not interested in your issue or just that you haven't gotten a response
>> yet about the OPEB or retirement contributions. Is your issue critical
>> right now?  I'm only asking because I know the school committee also has
>> several other issues on their plate, like the superintendent search and the
>> teacher's contract (and probably other things as well) and it sounds like
>> your questions would require some deeper digging.  If it was the session
>> from last week I was watching, then not really that much time has passed
>> and I don't think they are obligated to respond right away.  I'm sure your
>> analysis took some time to put together, maybe they need the same to
>> validate your finding and dig into an answer.
>>
>> I believe the public comment section is not intended to be a Q&A on any
>> random topic. I believe this is by design.  I'm only pointing that out
>> because in my travels (way too far down the rabbit hole) looking at Open
>> Meeting Law stuff, I also discovered that people file complaints REALLY
>> frequently in some towns when topics are discussed that are not sent out in
>> the published agenda. I think the idea is that if it was not in the notice,
>> then people who are interested would not know to tune in, and therefore
>> would miss the discussion. Unfortunately, I think this would also apply to
>> your suggestion of just an open forum discussion, but I don't really know
>> all the in's and out's of the requirements though.
>>
>> As a side note, if you're corresponding to the school committee and the
>> administration over email like you mention, I think you also have an Open
>> Meeting Law issue there. I'm not sure how many you are trying to engage at
>> once, but you can't have discussions outside of a public forum.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *May a public body member communicate with other public body members over
>> email?*
>> Yes, but only in limited circumstances. A member of a public body may
>> email other public body members on matters within jurisdiction of a public
>> body so long as the email does not reach a quorum of the public body.
>> Communications between and among a quorum of a public body on matters
>> within the jurisdiction of the public body must occur during a noticed
>> meeting. G.L. c. 30A, §§ 18, 20. A public body member may lawfully email a
>> quorum of the public body only to discuss scheduling a meeting, distribute
>> a meeting agenda, or to distribute reports or documents to be discussed at
>> a meeting, provided that no opinion of a member of the public body is
>> expressed. See G.L. c. 30A, § 18.
>> --
>>
>> The idea of a memo addressing concerns I think is possible, but I'm going
>> to predict that will also kick off a slew of additional comments /
>> questions, and they still can't engage with a back and forth, so I think
>> that will leave you unsatisfied in the end.  It's an interesting thought,
>> but I think John's memo earlier kicked off more discussions than it put to
>> rest.
>>
>> But your question is valid on how do issues get addressed and how does
>> the public engage with the constraints that the school committee has on
>> them.  I think it falls back that this is an elected body and the town
>> selects candidates that they think represent their views or have a platform
>> of communication to push issues for them. I know it's kind of a terrible
>> answer, but sometimes that's how it works in representative government.
>>
>> Just some comments for consideration.  Thanks for listening.
>>
>> - Andy
>>
>>
>>

Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School Projected Class Size

[Andy Wang]

 rich the current contract with the DoD
>> is and how little visibility we have about its renewal, why aren't we
>> funding that liability much more aggressively while we can? No response was
>> provided during that meeting and no follow-up has occurred since. I can
>> give you another example, I am trying to understand *why Lincoln pays
>> $1M in employment retirement contributions while Hanscom only pays $160k
>> despite its 15% larger staff*. The Administration (both the town's and
>> the school's) have gone silent on the matter, and the School Committee,
>> which is copied in my correspondence with the School Administration, has
>> declined to participate*.*
>>
>> *My suggestion for the School Committee is to make themselves available
>> to the overall community in a proper open forum where all issues concerning
>> our school can be debated.* Again, this would not be unprecedented. The
>> CCBC conducted a similar exercise ahead of the Special Town Meeting.
>>
>> I want to thank everyone who has participated in this thread for taking
>> time out of their busy lives to engage in a civic public debate.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> David Cuetos
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:32 PM Andy Wang  wrote:
>>
>>> Peter (and anyone else following along),
>>>
>>> I just wanted to point out that I'm not sure you are going to get a
>>> direct response from John, or anyone on the School Committee, via this
>>> forum (Lincoln Talk) due to Open Meeting Laws on
>>> electronic communications.  Lincoln Talk is a listserv.
>>>
>>> Source:
>>> https://www.mass.gov/info-details/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-open-meeting-law#frequently-asked-questions-about-the-open-meeting-law:-deliberation-and-electronic-communication
>>> ---
>>> *May members of a public body participate in a listserv?*
>>> It depends. A listserv is an electronic mailing list. A member of a
>>> public body may subscribe to a listserv. However, where a quorum of the
>>> members of a public body subscribe to a listserv, the public body risks
>>> unlawful deliberation. Where a quorum of the members of a public body
>>> belong to a listserv, public body members cannot participate in discussions
>>> which involve subject matter within the jurisdiction of the public body
>>> without engaging in unlawful deliberation. Therefore, we recommend that
>>> public body members use caution when joining or participating in listservs
>>> in which subject matters within the jurisdiction of their public body may
>>> be discussed.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> So while we (the public) can discuss topics, I'm not sure they can
>>> engage in this forum without running afoul of Open Meeting Laws if a
>>> certain number of them (quorum) are even just subscribed cause that would
>>> count as deliberation. I think that means they can post informational
>>> items, but not engage in ongoing discussions.  I think that full engagement
>>> with the committee needs to take place during posted meetings.  But that's
>>> just my read.
>>>
>>> That makes it a little tricky for candidates to discuss, especially
>>> since Adam is a current member of the committee and also a candidate.  I
>>> have no idea how something like that is handled. I just thought I'd point
>>> it out if you were thinking of having an open public discussion here that
>>> engages the school committee on here. I've always wondered why committees
>>> don't chime in on LT, but the Open Meeting Laws might be preventing that.
>>>
>>> I just thought I'd call that out in case people are wondering why the
>>> committee hasn't chimed in directly.
>>>
>>> - Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:18 PM Andy Wang  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> I was just keying off of something you said "The recently approved
>>>> FY24 Budget contradicts the chart as it funds 4 classroom teachers per each
>>>> 6, 7 and 8 grade. "  What are you keying off of in the budget?  How
>>>> are you counting teachers where there are ones that teach sections across
>>>> grades and specialists?  I was just pointing out that while there were 4
>>>> homeroom teachers in 6th, but there are only 3 sections for the kids.
>>>> Those teachers don't 'just have homeroom duties', like my kid'

Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School Projected Class Size

[Andy Wang]

Peter,

I think that comment was actually directed at my rattling off of things at
the end of one of my emails.  And just to clarify, I wasn't advocating for
any of those things, I was just pointing out different directions the
school could go in if they so choose.

Jennifer, thanks for the insight on special services.  I thought it was
interesting, also didn't know that those aides and paraprofessionals also
drive down the student-to-staff ratio.

- Andy


On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:53 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> Jennifer,
> I never mentioned decreasing "services."  I tried to say that we have lost
> 20 % of our student body over the last 10 years and our school expenditures
> has gone up 25% during that
> time (not counting inflation). Maybe we should start to look at optimizing
> the things we do to be able to offer more, not less to our students.  If
> there's money left, we can use it to defray
> next year's budget override, as I doubt that the teachers union will
> accept the 1% salary increase predicted in next year's Budget.  I am all
> for paying the teachers and staff well, maybe just
> a fewer number of them.
>
> Special Education is super important for so many reasons, so don't worry.
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:46 PM Jennifer Saffran <
> jennifer.saff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You mentioned decreasing “special” services. If you mean special
>> education, understand that there are complex state and federal laws and
>> regulations that govern these.
>>
>> The good news is that the additional staff that is demanded, particularly
>> in-classroom aides and paraprofessionals lower the student to staff ratios.
>> Also, funding for special education is a combination of local, state, and
>> federal dollars. The LEA (local school district) is not responsible for
>> paying for all of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 9:18 PM, Andy Wang  wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I was just keying off of something you said "The recently approved FY24
>> Budget contradicts the chart as it funds 4 classroom teachers per each 6, 7
>> and 8 grade. "  What are you keying off of in the budget?  How are you
>> counting teachers where there are ones that teach sections across grades
>> and specialists?  I was just pointing out that while there were 4
>> homeroom teachers in 6th, but there are only 3 sections for the kids.
>> Those teachers don't 'just have homeroom duties', like my kid's homeroom
>> teacher is also his ELA teacher.
>>
>> Parents can certainly voice concerns.  Gifted children want extra
>> attention, and parents of gifted kids advocate for that.  Struggling
>> students want extra attention, and those parents advocate for them.  It IS
>> complicated in the sense that you need to optimize across a wide range of
>> students and abilities, and philosophical stance on what it means to be a
>> student at Lincoln Public Schools and there are trades that need to be
>> made.  I mean, do you KNOW that the administration hasn't looked at ways of
>> optimizing things?
>>
>> When it comes down to it, I'm happy to wax philosophical on Lincoln Talk
>> all day long (clearly), but my parting point was just that the school
>> committee is elected and folks should be electing people who they think
>> represent their views.  There are many ways to focus the school.  We could
>> teach more to the MCAS and increase that ranking, we could make larger
>> classes, remove special programs, decrease special services, increase
>> gifted programs, decrease spending.  All of those things come with
>> trade-offs and those decisions are not going to be made here.  And only
>> foot stomping this stronger now cause deadline to pull papers is tomorrow.
>>
>> - Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:53 PM Peter Buchthal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> I don't see your distinction between listed teachers who have classrooms
>>> for core subjects and other teachers who apparently just host homeroom
>>> students and have other classroom duties.  Our  school population has
>>> decreased by 20 % in the last 10 years and apparently the administration
>>> and school committee can't even consider *optimizing* the staff to
>>> offer additional academic services the students and parents want while
>>> lowering the ongoing costs of running the school.  Every year, without much
>>> debate, the School Committee asks and gets the maximum 2.5% raise over the
>>> previous year and that is co

Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School Projected Class Size

[Andy Wang]

e meetings, but it isn't a two-way communication format. Residents
> have three minutes to talk, everybody is silent and at the end of the
> intervention nobody opines and nothing is heard about the issue ever again.
> To give you an example, Peter Buchthal and I are concerned about the
> *Hanscom's** school's OPEB liability*. For those not in the know, the
> town has accrued an approximately $5M retirement liability with Hanscom's
> employees. If we are not able to renew the contract with the DoD after 2025
> in terms that are favorable to Lincoln, my understanding is that we are on
> the hook for that $5M. That liability figure is very sensitive to different
> assumptions like future returns or salary growth for existing and future
> employees, meaning the actual number could be much larger (or smaller).
> Right now we are only funding that liability $200k per year on average.
> Peter's question to the School Committee and the Administration during
> Public Comment was simple: given how rich the current contract with the DoD
> is and how little visibility we have about its renewal, why aren't we
> funding that liability much more aggressively while we can? No response was
> provided during that meeting and no follow-up has occurred since. I can
> give you another example, I am trying to understand *why Lincoln pays $1M
> in employment retirement contributions while Hanscom only pays $160k
> despite its 15% larger staff*. The Administration (both the town's and
> the school's) have gone silent on the matter, and the School Committee,
> which is copied in my correspondence with the School Administration, has
> declined to participate*.*
>
> *My suggestion for the School Committee is to make themselves available to
> the overall community in a proper open forum where all issues concerning
> our school can be debated.* Again, this would not be unprecedented. The
> CCBC conducted a similar exercise ahead of the Special Town Meeting.
>
> I want to thank everyone who has participated in this thread for taking
> time out of their busy lives to engage in a civic public debate.
>
> Best,
>
> David Cuetos
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:32 PM Andy Wang  wrote:
>
>> Peter (and anyone else following along),
>>
>> I just wanted to point out that I'm not sure you are going to get a
>> direct response from John, or anyone on the School Committee, via this
>> forum (Lincoln Talk) due to Open Meeting Laws on
>> electronic communications.  Lincoln Talk is a listserv.
>>
>> Source:
>> https://www.mass.gov/info-details/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-open-meeting-law#frequently-asked-questions-about-the-open-meeting-law:-deliberation-and-electronic-communication
>> ---
>> *May members of a public body participate in a listserv?*
>> It depends. A listserv is an electronic mailing list. A member of a
>> public body may subscribe to a listserv. However, where a quorum of the
>> members of a public body subscribe to a listserv, the public body risks
>> unlawful deliberation. Where a quorum of the members of a public body
>> belong to a listserv, public body members cannot participate in discussions
>> which involve subject matter within the jurisdiction of the public body
>> without engaging in unlawful deliberation. Therefore, we recommend that
>> public body members use caution when joining or participating in listservs
>> in which subject matters within the jurisdiction of their public body may
>> be discussed.
>> ---
>>
>> So while we (the public) can discuss topics, I'm not sure they can engage
>> in this forum without running afoul of Open Meeting Laws if a certain
>> number of them (quorum) are even just subscribed cause that would count as
>> deliberation. I think that means they can post informational items, but not
>> engage in ongoing discussions.  I think that full engagement with the
>> committee needs to take place during posted meetings.  But that's just my
>> read.
>>
>> That makes it a little tricky for candidates to discuss, especially since
>> Adam is a current member of the committee and also a candidate.  I have no
>> idea how something like that is handled. I just thought I'd point it out if
>> you were thinking of having an open public discussion here that engages the
>> school committee on here. I've always wondered why committees don't chime
>> in on LT, but the Open Meeting Laws might be preventing that.
>>
>> I just thought I'd call that out in case people are wondering why the
>> committee hasn't chimed in directly.
>>
>> - Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
&

Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School Projected Class Size

[Andy Wang]

Peter,

Not to jump in on a conversation between you and John, but since you posted
publicly, I figure it would be okay.

I wanted to point out, that in the middle school, there is a distinction
between the listed teachers (from the enrollment report) and sections that
are on John's chart. I have a son who is in 6th grade  (60 in his class).
In the enrollment report you linked to (the 2022 Enrollment Report), it
indicates that there are 4 groups, what I'll call 'homerooms' each led by a
teacher (4 listed there).  But when they go to class, he says they only
have 3 sections, of about 20 in each section.  This seems to match the
chart that John included in his email, which specifies sections.  I think
in the middle school, the teacher ratio gets a little more confusing since
some subject teachers teach one grade, some multiple, and also specialists
(who could teach multiple grades) as opposed to in the elementary school
where the 'homeroom' teachers, for the most part, teach all subjects to
their class (but also some specials here too).  While I understand your
argument, I don't think it's quite as simple as just cutting a section.

As a staffing side note, the town probably also doesn't want to get into a
situation where, say you decide to cut a section of a grade and then have a
teacher who teaches across the middle school grades with a < 1 FTE load. To
which I think the natural tendency for those teachers would be to go look
for other employment when they can get a full time position. So there is a
balance there as well. Just some food for thought.

To a large extent, while public Lincoln Talk discussions are entertaining,
real change happens in the committee, which is an elected position. I'll go
back to the statement that if folks are unhappy with the direction of the
school and want some impact, the more productive course of action is to run
for a seat, state your opinions and views, and see if there is a large
enough group of folks who share that view.  That's the real mandate for
change, otherwise, the committee really has no idea if this is like 1/2 the
town feels this way or it is just a select vocal minority.

- Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Kids ice skates

[Andy Wang]

Okay, that was fast…

Claimed, but if you want to be a backup, feel free to let me know and I’ll
reach out if it falls through.

Andy



On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 2:13 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone in need of hockey skates for kids?
>
>
>
> Sizes (from left to right):
> Y10
> Y12.5
> 1
>
> May need some new laces, but overall they are in good shape (in the
> opinion of someone who has no knowledge about skates…)
>
> Pickup in North Lincoln.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Jake Lehrhoff for School Committee on our schools, budget, and outcomes Inbox

[Andy Wang]

I mean, to be fair, having children in the school is not a pre-requisite
for joining school committee.   Adam Hogue has run, been elected, and
faithfully served on the committee for several years and has not had
children in the school yet (I assume he has a high tolerance for pain).
I’m not sure it’s appropriate to imply, without any backing that Jake has
not talked to any parents or to what degree or variation.

As for what Jake thinks…I’m just kidding, I have no idea what he thinks.

Andy


On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

>
> Thank you Jake for engaging in a discussion about our school and the
> issues.  Lincoln Talk is a great way for the town's voters to learn more
> about the issues our town faces.  Through online debate and open meetings,
> hopefully, our town will get better and stronger.
>
> I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.  At one point your email says: "if
> you keep hunting for new data, you can inadvertently bend the data to your
> will and draw a biased conclusion" but further down you also mention "I am
> confident that there is more data out there explaining the value of our
> towns investment and the exemplary outcomes for Lincoln K-8 students."
>
> Could you please define "exemplary outcomes" and how would you
> approach looking for this new data without drawing a pre-ordained, biased
> conclusion that you didn't want to make in your first sentence above.
>
> Do you have other examples in mind when you say that high-schools have a
> lower cost per student. Using the DESE data from our neighbors, four out of
> five elementary/middle schools have lower cost per student than their
> corresponding high-schools.  The DESE data for Lincoln includes Hanscom and
> Lincoln together.
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-01-25 at 10.37.26 PM.png]
>
> This has been debated in the past, but I would argue that  Lincoln's
> district is unique because of Hanscom and  a higher percentage METCO
> population as both are paid for by third parties.   If you look exclusively
> at students paid for by local taxpayers we are way more expensive than
> Weston.
>
> Do you think our ultra small class sizes in the middle school is a good
> use of taxpayer funds?  We currently have 4 sections each of 7th and 8th
> graders where the average class is only 13 students.  Our maximum
> recommended  class size in 7th and 8th grade is 24 students.  Why
> shouldn't we drop a section in each grade?  Do you think it's possible
> that  our poor engagement numbers from our middle schoolers may come from
> the fact the our classes are too small and students don't have enough of
> their friends with them in class all day?   Do you support rubber stamping
> next year's school budget that maintains this year's ultra small classes in
> our middle school?   Is there something in our demographics that gives you
> (and our other current school committee members) optimism that our middle
> school will soon get a significant increase in students that warrants
> maintaining 4 sections in 6th, 7th and 8th grade?  Only the current 4th
> graders have 4 sections.  K,1,2,3,5 all are running with 3 sections.
>
> I believe candidates for any elected office should have opinions about
> what is going well and what needs improvement in their soon to be governed
> organizations.
>
> I admire your optimism that everything is great and the future will only
> get better.  But, as a candidate running for school office without ever
> having a child in our school, may I suggest you talk to as many parents
> with children of different grades as possible so that they share with you
> their experiences as a parent at the Lincoln School.  This will allow you
> to further develop  priorities and ideas to improve the school.  We all
> look forward to learning more from you and asking further questions on the
> issues.
>
> Thank you so much,
> Peter
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Re: [LincolnTalk] COMMUNITY CENTER

[Andy Wang]

Part of it was the lost of state funding, but costs to build the school
about doubled.. between 2012 and 2018

In 2012, the school building was going to be $49M,  $21M was from state
funding + $28M was from the town.
In 2018, we ended up spending about $94M

So the building costs almost doubled ($49M --> $94M)
But the town ended up paying more than triple ($28M --> $94M)

State funding is not on the table here for the Community Center


On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:34 AM Richard Panetta 
wrote:

> Wasn’t in part to the loss of funding from the state.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:11 AM Lis Herbert  wrote:
>
>> Sara:
>>
>> Do not try to contort the meaning of my words and frame me as
>> insensitive. Don’t.
>>
>> I didn’t say that I think $25 million is something to sneeze at. I said
>> it will seem like peanuts if we delay, ie when the town is presented with a
>> 40M price tag down the road.
>>
>> The history of these projects has shown that 11M can balloon to 25. The
>> first school vote was for roughly half what the new school ultimately cost.
>> That’s mostly the result of waiting, and little else.
>>
>> Lis
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Calling $25 million “peanuts” is a bit much.
>> While it may be “ peanuts” to you, a significant portion of our
>> population would find it otherwise.
>> And, to date, no one is talking about the Town operating budgets and what
>> they will look like, going forward- after we address teachers contract, the
>> hiring a new Superintendent, changes in Town Office staffing and the
>> impacts of inflation across the board.
>>
>> I suspect we will see the need for an override to support the staffing
>> needs.
>>
>> That is part of the total tax package that has an impact on individual
>> households.
>>
>> So, what may be “ peanuts” to you, may have serious and crushing impacts
>> on others.
>>
>> We need to be mindful and sensitive to that reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Lis Herbert  wrote:
>>
>> Sara:
>> If this process is delayed or stopped entirely, again, the price tag for
>> needs may well exceed current “wants” — many of which, judging by the
>> survey results the CCBC circulated yesterday, are pragmatic, and reflect a
>> community’s needs in 2022, not 2012.
>> $25 million will seem like peanuts when it’s time to vote on whatever the
>> next iteration of this process is 5 or 10 years down the line. And people
>> will surely wonder then, if the vote is for a center in some unknown
>> location near Donelan’s, why it isn’t sited at Hartwell?
>> And around and around and around we can go, forever.
>> Lis
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:51 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> That was then, this is now.
>> We have gone through some radical changes in the last several years.
>> Our economy is volatile.
>> Our work lives have changed, as have commuting patterns.
>>
>> Should put our fingers in our ears, hands over our eyes and act as if it
>> is 2012 all over again ?
>>
>> We need to be more flexible and creative to meet the needs ( and be
>> careful about “ wants”) of the town in 2022 and beyond.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Times have changed, and so must we.
>>
>> There is an opportunity tonight to be more creative.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:26 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Oh great, let's wash 10 years of work down the tube so we can start on a
>> new project.
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:16 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends, I will *not *be voting in favor of the community center
>>> project now… for several reasons explained below.  If these considerations
>>> and others you have give you pause, I hope you will join those of us who
>>> are interested in further discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First, Lincoln’s once in  a generation Comprehensive Plan, approved at
>>> Town Meeting ~ten years ago prioritized revitalizing  our South Lincoln
>>> commercial center. *Without a vibrant place to gather, we risk becoming
>>> an inert, mono-culture suburb,* of increasingly high priced single
>>> family homes and residents who can afford them. A vital Mall at our center
>>> would be a place to gather, meet with friends, and exchange ideas with
>>> others who have diverse backgrounds and views.  Before locating a COA or
>>> Community Center building at the school property we should evaluate its
>>> potential to jump-start and support commercial and civic growth at the mall
>>> and help Lincoln slowly and steadily transition into the dynamic community
>>> we can be. It’s time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We haven’t had a thorough review of town goals or prioritized them since
>>> the Comprehensive Plan. If we choose to ignore the last Comprehensive Plan,
>>> let’s plan again. Let’s agree on priorities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There seems to be an ongoing, important, and complex

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community center marriage of COA and Parks and Recreation

[Andy Wang]

According to the flyer sent out by the Select Board, there will be r*emote
socially-distanced viewing* available in the *Reed Gym*

*All voting will take place in the Brooks School Auditorium*.

I will also point out that the *meeting starts at 7PM*.  The flyer that was
distributed via mail by some anonymous person incorrectly states that the
meeting will start at 7:30PM.

- Andy



On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 9:07 AM Nancy Bergen via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Sounds like this meeting will be well attended. There seem to be a lot of
> illnesses flying around right now. I am hoping that people will consider
> wearing a mask. It would be nice if there were boxes of masks available at
> the meeting in case people forget to bring one.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Nan B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Barbara
> Low
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:57 AM
> *To:* Sara Mattes ; DJCP 
> *Cc:* Peter Buchthal ; lincoln@lincolntalk.org
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Community center marriage of COA and Parks
> and Recreation
>
>
>
> The flying up ceremony has been held at Bemis Hall but not regular troop
> meetings.
>
>
>
> Barbara Low
>
> Bemis Hall Coordinator
> --
>
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
> Mattes 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:45 AM
> *To:* DJCP 
> *Cc:* Peter Buchthal ; lincoln@lincolntalk.org <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Community center marriage of COA and Parks
> and Recreation
>
>
>
> We were told the Girl Scouts use Bemis Hall.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:24 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My kids enjoy plenty of indoor parks and rec activities, including
> gymnastics, minecraft/coding classes, art, science, and theater.  And, in
> fact, when those classes run, my Girl Scout Troops often have a hard time
> finding a place to meet in the Pods.  WE had to meet in the breakout room
> in the school recently and we were basically locked in b/c once you leave
> the building after hours, no one can let you in.  Plus we were not near an
> easily accessible playground where the kids could burn off energy.  And I'm
> not entirely sure I want to be responsible for a bunch of kids meeting in a
> classroom after school hours and ensuring they keep their hands off all of
> the classroom materials and projects.
>
>
>
> Diana
>
> Giles Rd
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:17 AM Peter Buchthal 
> wrote:
>
> Now is the time to vote NO on Warrant 1.
>
>
>
> I believe it is a false choice to think there are no other options for the
> town except Warrant #1, for $325,000.
>
>
>
> People seem enamored with the name "Community Center" without really
> looking at the space needs of both the COA and the Rec Department together.
>
>
>
> As the parent of three kids, most of the Parks and Rec Department
> programming that we use and love today is outdoors on a sports field,
> tennis court, pool, or school gym.  I can't imagine allocating a new indoor
> 12,500 sqf  facility  (1/2 of the Community Center) to the Parks and Rec
> program offerings.   Most indoor oriented Parks and Rec usage
> forecasts appear aspirational, not addressing defined needs.  Most of the
> offerings that are indoors, could surely be located in the new school after
> school hours at minimal extra cost.  From the 2018 Community Center Final
> Report "The PRD runs some programs on weekdays during school hours, such as
> exercise classes for adults, but most of its offerings are held for
> children after school, on weekday evenings, and on weekends."
>
>
>
> It is clear that the combination of Parks and Rec with the COA is a
> marriage of convenience and may not be a good use of tax dollars.  With few
> indoor activities outside of facilities provided today by the Gym, Parks
> and Rec hasn't justified their need for 12,500 sqf of new space.
>
>
>
> I propose a 2nd Warrant of 50K-75K that could be voted upon that would
> fund a proper current needs analysis.   The output of this study should be
> a slimmed down COA that is no longer an architectural statement but a
> functional, clean and enjoyable COA.  This building could be a renovated
> Pierce, Bemis or new facility at Hartwell.
>
>
>
> A No vote on Warrant 1 is not a NO for everything, just this oversized,
> ill conceived marriage of COA and the Parks and  Recreation department
> called "Community Center"
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Darkness at the Center Post Office

[Andy Wang]

Welp…guess its time to form a POBC (Post Office Building Committee)….who’s
with me?

Sorry, too soon?


- Andy






On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Steve Kropper  wrote:

> Three of the four banks of fluorescent lights at the Center post office
> have been 'dead' for months.
> Sua Sponte, I took some new tubes to the PO and planned to install them
> (a contribution to Lincoln Old Town Hall Corporation?)
> However, the clerk explained that that the ballasts need to be replaced
> (above my pay grade) and that the landlord has been alerted.
> So, darkness reigns for the time being.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] CC - Specificity in the motion

[Andy Wang]

Karla,

This is the text of the Motion (
https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/78665/Motion---Final):

*Motion Under Article 1:*
*That the Town vote to transfer the sum of $325,000 from the Town’s
Stabilization Fund for the purpose of hiring relevant consultant support
services, to potentially include project management, design, engineering
and other technical reviews to assist the Community Center Building
Committee in developing a range of Community Center design choices and
budgets for the Hartwell Complex, with the intention of presenting said
choices at a fall, 2023 Special Town Meeting for a vote on a preferred
option; and provided further, that it is anticipated that the preferred
option selected by the Town will be presented for a funding vote in March
of 2024.  *

That's it, that's the whole thing. There is nothing in there that actually
dictates 2 proposals, or the cost of any of the proposals, or the level of
'frills' or 'features' that are included / excluded either.  They can
develop a 'range of design choices and budgets'.  I'm not sure how one
would define a 'low-cost alternative' in the context of the motion, though
maybe someone smarter than I could.  None of the things you are suggesting
are precluded from being done in the motion, though the CCBC is not
obligated to either, except for the fact that they have to come back in
another meeting next year and again a year after that to actually get the
funds bonded.  In my opinion, that is the real motivation to internalize
the feedback.

- Andy



On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 2:31 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> I 100% agree with what others have said in that we need specificity in the
> motion.
>
> The motion needs to clearly lay out that *at least* one of the desired
> outcomes is the no-frills option (without the features that are currently
> part of the $25M proposal that were mentioned yesterday by the CCBC like a
> teaching kitchen or an indoor/outdoor cafe, etc).
>
> I fear that if that if this is not explicit in the motion, we will get one
> $25M option and maybe a $20M option and then be presented with a false
> choice under pressure from “we need to get this done before inflation hits
> us again”.
>
> I think what you said Dennis is critical and on point and should be
> included in the motion: the low-cost alternative NEEDS to be developed to 
> “*the
> level where it can be considered on an equal footing with the two existing
> proposals when it comes time for the town to vote and chose a preferred
> approach.”*
>
> I also want to call out that options outside of Hartwell should be given a
> chance. The 8-year old SOTT exercise where 150 folks where given 2 dots
> each to choose should not be used as the “will of the town”.
>
> Thanks all for listening to me!
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 2:05 PM Dennis Picker 
> wrote:
>
>> Andy (and all the rest of you!),
>> I feel we might be getting close. (what a relief it is to be able to
>> write that)
>>
>> Given what I now know, having attended last night's select meeting, I
>> agree that we need to spend study money in order to get another option,
>> what I call the no-frills approach, on the table.  That money will flesh
>> out a newly conceived option that is no-frills, addresses the essential
>> needs, is Hartwell-centric, focused on new construction/renovation at
>> Hartwell, and flexibly addresses the location of some services at
>> other locations when that makes sense.  The study would allow this new
>> alternative to be developed to the level where it can be considered on an
>> equal footing with the two existing proposals when it comes time for the
>> town to vote and chose a preferred approach.
>>
>> I sincerely believe that such a no-frills version would still be worthy
>> of the label "integrated community center."
>>
>> In that sense I would like to vote yes as a path forward.  But I am not
>> there yet.  The devil is in the details of the wording of the warrant
>> article and what gets presented by the CCBC tomorrow regarding how they
>> intend to proceed if the $325,000 funding is approved.  The clarity and
>> specifics about what the warrant explicitly requires as output of the study
>> is of vital concern to me.
>>
>> I am aware that it may take an amendment from the floor to constructively
>> sort this out.  I am waiting to see what plays out tomorrow. I hope that
>> the collective "we" can sort enough of this out through this type of dialog
>> to avoid chaos and confusion tomorrow night if it comes to amendments.
>> Fingers crossed.
>>
>> Dennis Picker
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 1:3

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center- clarifying what the vote means

[Andy Wang]

Dennis,

I agree that you are not distorting the sentiment of the statement I posted
before.

However, I think you're probably more correct to question this statement:
"However, if you are in favor of a combined community center on the
Hartwell campus, but are concerned about the cost, then I would encourage
people to support the vote with a YES on Wednesday because this is the only
way that the project can move forward and further define what the costs
will be (and potential cost savings...and to be fair, possible cost
increases) and overall impact.  And whatever comes out, the town will be
back to vote on THAT plan with, hopefully, more information."

I will correct myself in saying that I should have said 'but are concerned
about cost *and/or scope*' and not just the cost.  I still believe, that
without the funding, some of that reduction in scope can't happen without
professional services to back them up. Some outreach could be done, but the
real impact to the building and spaces can't really be determined without
services.

I've personally gone back and forth about supporting an amendment to put
more explicit language in the warrant, but given the way it is written, it
does not seem to fit in.  The language is intentionally broad to give the
committee some latitude in this next phase.  I believe this puts more trust
in the CCBC to look into some of the things you are suggesting in looking
for some things that might be elsewhere, but given that I'm not going to do
that work, I'll have to rely on the output of others.  I always come back
to the belief that the committee would like to build a community center,
and they are going to come to terms with the fact that they are going to
have to put forward a plan they think will pass a 2/3 vote to bond.  This
vote should not be the hard vote, the next ones (pick proposal & bond) are.

- Andy





On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 1:01 PM Dennis Picker 
wrote:

> I want to call attention to this outside of the torrent of posts on the
> main Community Center thread.
>
> Andy Wang said, in part (I don't think that my excerpting distorts his
> meaning):
>
> "Now, if you (the royal you, not you specifically, Adam) don't think that
> there should be a combined community center at Hartwell at all, and I know
> there are several of folks who don't, then you should vote NO, since I
> don't think the committee intends to go way back 10+ years to re-hash all
> those decisions."
>
> There is a crucial nuance here.   Let's try to not get tangled up in
> misunderstandings and confusion about what each of us thinks a "combined
> community center" means when we vote.
>
> I support pursuing new construction to meet rec and coa needs at Hartwell
> with the explicit caveat that this study, if approved, produces a new
> option (to consider when it comes time to vote on a preferred choice) that
> is no frills, focused on the essentials and that takes advantage of any
> favorable opportunities to provide _some_ of the services at other sites in
> town.  Even if some of the services are not at the Hartwell site, it would
> still be a "combined community center."
>
> From the discussion at the Select Board meeting last night, I believe that
> something along the lines of what I said in the previous paragraph is what
> the Community Center Building Committee intends to do.  I eagerly await
> seeing exactly what is presented tomorrow.
>
> If we incorporate the work to flesh out and cost estimate a version that
> has "center of gravity and new construction at Hartwell, but some things
> might be elsewhere" that is NOT re-hashing 10 years of work and decisions.
> It is finally completing important work that I wish we had done earlier in
> this saga.
>
> Dennis Picker
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[Andy Wang]

Adam  - To be fair, you don't really know the amount of fundraising that
could be done

But to your point, until something is 'in the bank', people should not vote
based on it either.  But that's not really where we are in the movie.  This
vote is NOT to bond an amount for the Community Center, the vote is for
funds for professional services to further define the plan.  Nothing can
really happen until that occurs, including where we might be able to reduce
costs.

Now, if you (the royal you, not you specifically, Adam) don't think that
there should be a combined community center at Hartwell at all, and I know
there are several of folks who don't, then you should vote NO, since I
don't think the committee intends to go way back 10+ years to re-hash all
those decisions.

However, if you are in favor of a combined community center on the Hartwell
campus, but are concerned about the cost, then I would encourage people to
support the vote with a YES on Wednesday because this is the only way that
the project can move forward and further define what the costs will be (and
potential cost savings...and to be fair, possible cost increases) and
overall impact.  And whatever comes out, the town will be back to vote on
THAT plan with, hopefully, more information.

Granted, $325k isn't a trivial amount of money, but on the scale of town
finances, it's not that much either.  I mean we voted to pay like $47,410
(2016 Annual Town Meeting) to fund, for historic preservation purposes, the
preservation of the Assessor's Valuation Book 1760-1833 - just to pick a
random example.

Not that my opinion matters to anyone, but I plan to vote YES.  This is not
because I'm in the camp of 'build this thing at all costs',  but I do
support having a combined community center at the Hartwell Campus, and I
want to give the committee the tools necessary to provide sufficient
information to convince me to vote to bond in the future.  The mailing that
was sent to residents regarding the Special Town Meeting includes a
statement from the CCBC that says: "The CCBC intends to explore a range of
options, including potential refinements of previously developed concepts,
and an exploration of lower-cost options".  So I think we should give them
funds to pursue and come back to the Town with what they believe will pass
a bond vote, which is also a 2/3 vote...so it better be good.

- Andy



On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 10:35 AM Adam M Hogue 
wrote:

> I want everyone to be realistic here in town we are not going to be able
> to raise a significant amount for this community center.  We are a small,
> wealthy town and we are probably not going to get major foundations to give
> us a large sum.
>
> Even if every person gave 1k in town that is only 5 million.  Still have
> 20 million plus to go.
>
> The funding for this building will primarily come from raising our taxes.
>
> When I ran for select board I promised when building new housing near the
> train station and exploring doing a public private partnership to build a
> community within that housing which would have offset the cost but as far
> as I know the select board hasn’t moved anywhere in the new housing that is
> required by law and is resisting it.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Nov 29, 2022, at 10:28 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Waiting is not necessary.
> It is not uncommon for a plan to be in place, with someone designated to
> lead and a target amount to be raised, initial donors identified and worked
> with.
> When such fundraising is announced, a substantial sum is already “in the
> bank."
>
> There are several accomplished fundraisers in town, and several other
> individuals who raise large sums on a regular basis from Lincoln residents
> for local organizations.
> Before the promise of private fundraising is offered to those about to
> vote, a foundation for the appeal needs to be in place.
>
> To date, we are told, no such groundwork has been done.
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Laura Crosby 
> wrote:
>
> Private fundraising has not begun yet. They are waiting for next step of
> project to advance so they will better know what the final project will be.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2022, at 8:24 AM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Is it possible to share the amount that has thus far been promised from
> private funding?
>
> Thank you, Carol R
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:
>
> 
> Well said!
>
> Barbara Low
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Laura
> Crosby 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2022 9:30 PM
> *To:* Lincoln Talks 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>
> Whatever we do, wherever we build it and whatever it costs let us not lose
> this opportunity to build a much needed Community Center ( or Village Hall
> as some Europeans call it ). There has been a tremendous amount of thought,
> time, resources and consensus through mu

Re: [LincolnTalk] Your recommendations for kitchen design

[Andy Wang]

I have no specific recommendation. The ones I use are no longer in
production, but they are the previous generation of these by SmartThings.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-GP-U999SJVLCAA-Smart-things-Sensor/dp/B07F951JDP/

One thing, at least on the older generation is the batteries tend to die if
there is a significant water issue.  But, they are cheap to replace the
battery.

Andy





On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 5:36 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Could you send a link to what you recommend?
> Thnx!
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2022, at 5:33 PM, Andy Wang  wrote:
>
> Just a side comment, water sensors are relatively inexpensive now to
> detect moisture before issues get too bad and send a notification to your
> phone .  I have them under sinks, floor near washing machine, and in the
> basement by the sump pump.  I use SmartThings ones, but several options
> available.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 5:05 PM Jennifer Saffran <
> jennifer.saff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We did our entire kitchen in IKEA, but that was mid-2020 before supply
>> chain issues got very bad. I have no idea if they have recovered. We are
>> still very pleased with these cabinets. IMO, very good if you are looking
>> for a contemporary/Modernist look. The top cabinets are deeper than most
>> American cabinets. Also, IKEA has a lot of accessories that coordinate with
>> the drawers and cabinets to maximize storage. We also did their
>> under-counter and in-cabinet lighting.
>>
>> You can meet up at the Stoughton store with a kitchen planner. It’s
>> necessary to do this as they have access to inventory that you would not
>> get through the regular store website. FYI: they have two types of
>> product—one for inexpensive apartment-type installations, and then longer
>> term residential lines. We put all of the cabinets together ourselves. Get
>> a power screwdriver...
>>
>> As for flooring, I highly recommend Flooring America on Rte. 9 in Natick,
>> westbound side. We used pre-finished oak flooring from Canada, and
>> laminated cork for other areas. We did use Lumber Liquidators for basement
>> flooring (click vinyl laminated planking).
>>
>> We, too, had a pipe burst. Unbelievably destructive.
>>
>> Yes, very good idea to carefully look at sink and bathroom pipes,
>> replacing them, even if you think they are still good enough. A friend of
>> mine had what she realized too late was a slow tiny leak for years. Her
>> meticulously maintained bath fixtures were 50 years old. Now, 5 months
>> later, her work is done. From the upstairs bath, through the LR, all the
>> way to the basement, she had to replace walls, flooring, ceilings,
>> insulation, etc., through the three floors. It would have been cheaper to
>> just replace the still functioning vanity and faucet. Stuff corrodes and
>> then it leaks…..
>>
>> > On Nov 27, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Sara Levine 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi neighbors,
>> >
>> > In the aftermath of an unfortunate leak, we are looking  for
>> recommendations for someone to help with kitchen redesign and/ or your
>> positive experiences with local cabinet & flooring stores?
>> >
>> > Also, public service announcement… peek under your kitchen sink more
>> often than you do!:)
>> >
>> > Be well all.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sara
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Your recommendations for kitchen design

[Andy Wang]

Just a side comment, water sensors are relatively inexpensive now to detect
moisture before issues get too bad and send a notification to your phone .
I have them under sinks, floor near washing machine, and in the basement by
the sump pump.  I use SmartThings ones, but several options available.

Andy



On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 5:05 PM Jennifer Saffran 
wrote:

> We did our entire kitchen in IKEA, but that was mid-2020 before supply
> chain issues got very bad. I have no idea if they have recovered. We are
> still very pleased with these cabinets. IMO, very good if you are looking
> for a contemporary/Modernist look. The top cabinets are deeper than most
> American cabinets. Also, IKEA has a lot of accessories that coordinate with
> the drawers and cabinets to maximize storage. We also did their
> under-counter and in-cabinet lighting.
>
> You can meet up at the Stoughton store with a kitchen planner. It’s
> necessary to do this as they have access to inventory that you would not
> get through the regular store website. FYI: they have two types of
> product—one for inexpensive apartment-type installations, and then longer
> term residential lines. We put all of the cabinets together ourselves. Get
> a power screwdriver...
>
> As for flooring, I highly recommend Flooring America on Rte. 9 in Natick,
> westbound side. We used pre-finished oak flooring from Canada, and
> laminated cork for other areas. We did use Lumber Liquidators for basement
> flooring (click vinyl laminated planking).
>
> We, too, had a pipe burst. Unbelievably destructive.
>
> Yes, very good idea to carefully look at sink and bathroom pipes,
> replacing them, even if you think they are still good enough. A friend of
> mine had what she realized too late was a slow tiny leak for years. Her
> meticulously maintained bath fixtures were 50 years old. Now, 5 months
> later, her work is done. From the upstairs bath, through the LR, all the
> way to the basement, she had to replace walls, flooring, ceilings,
> insulation, etc., through the three floors. It would have been cheaper to
> just replace the still functioning vanity and faucet. Stuff corrodes and
> then it leaks…..
>
> > On Nov 27, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Sara Levine  wrote:
> >
> > Hi neighbors,
> >
> > In the aftermath of an unfortunate leak, we are looking  for
> recommendations for someone to help with kitchen redesign and/ or your
> positive experiences with local cabinet & flooring stores?
> >
> > Also, public service announcement… peek under your kitchen sink more
> often than you do!:)
> >
> > Be well all.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[Andy Wang]

In the discussion above, I'm unclear if folks are advocating for a
community center (both COA and Parks & Rec) or a senior center (and keep
Parks & Rec in the pods) in the spaces around Lincoln Station.  But just
some additional food for thought, on the Parks and Rec side, I believe that
it was viewed as important to keep spaces accessible to the school campus.
With the programs for kids, it is convenient for kids to be able to get to
those programs easily. Not all kids are old enough to walk over by
themselves.  LEAP also takes several of its kids over to the programs that
parents sign up for and pick them up that may not be right after school.

- Andy




On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:15 AM June L Matthews  wrote:

> Excellent statement,  Ken!  I hope that the proposal to change gears and
> consider a community center at Lincoln Station gains some traction. I would
> vote in favor of allocating funds to study this option.  After reading the
> many comments and thinking carefully about the issues, I would not vote in
> favor of allocating funds directed only toward the Hartwell proposals.  I
> can’t remember, ten years ago, what led to the choice of this location.
> For all the reasons expressed by you and a few others, I believe that this
> choice, although well-intentioned, was misguided.  Let’s put the community
> center in the center of our community – accessible by foot or bike by many,
> and for those using their cars, adjacent to other essential services
> (groceries, post office, etc.)
>
>
>
> June Matthews
>
> Greenridge Lane
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hurd
> *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2022 9:55 PM
> *To:* LincolnTalk 
> *Cc:* Margaret P Flint 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>
>
>
> Hello LincolnTalkers,
>
> I wish to applaud all those who have taken the time to revisit and
> question the financial pros and cons of building a community center at this
> time, and thanks particularly to those who have recently commented on the
> advisability of building it at the Hartwell site.
>
>
>
> I fully support building a new facility, but it has long been my opinion
> that such a major investment by the town should be deployed where it is
> most needed - namely in the Lincoln Station area.  For more than ten years
> since Town Meeting approved the Comprehensive Long Range Plan, in which the
> revitalization of Lincoln Station was overwhelmingly one of the highest
> priorities, the area has lain dormant and in serious need of a catalyst to
> jumpstart its transformation into the compact, vital, walkable village
> center that was a stated goal at the time.  A community center in such a
> location would be the equivalent of an anchor store in a retail setting,
> and by virtue of attracting more people on a regular basis, it would create
> more opportunities for a clustered cross-current of activities spawning
> greater social interaction.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, it would constitute the classic suburban planning error to
> create a new center that stands alone like the suburban mall accessible
> only by car.  In addition, because of school protocols, there would be very
> limited inter-generational co-mingling until after school hours, if at
> all.  And, even if there weren’t a greater  awareness about the effects of
> climate change, wouldn’t it make far more sense to locate a community
> center where there are already other crucial services such as the post
> office, grocery store, cleaners, a cafe and restaurant, etc.?
>
>
>
> If the vote for more funding fails at the Special Town Meeting next
> Wednesday evening, November 30th, I urge residents, the Selects and the
> Planning Board to seriously reconsider Lincoln Station as the location that
> would best serve the interests and greater good of the town going forward.
>
>
>
> Thank you for all those who have weighed in on this discussion.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Ken Hurd
>
>
> Lifting the Human Spirit by Design
> 781-259-3300
> 781-259-8900 cell
> www.keha.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2022, at 1:02 PM, John F. Carr  wrote:
>
>
>
> I just skimmed over the 2015 report which is the foundation for what
> we are discussing.
>
> That report tried to steer people away from the Lincoln Station area.
> One of the six options was to build on the commuter rail parking lot
> and include an underground parking garage (the most expensive kind of
> parking) to make up for lost parking.  Since then COVID killed
> commuter rail.  The parking lot is just another town-owned vacant lot.
>
> When you take the cost of an underground garage out of the picture,
> the commuter rail parking lot becomes the cheapest building site (in
> 2015 dollars, and including the cost of renovating Hartwell facilities
> that don't move).  It has the advantage of being near shops, Codman,
> and Lincoln Woods.  We might end up with a community center rather
> than a place one drives to and drives home from.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 10:16 AM Margaret P Fl

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - Facts Reminder

[Andy Wang]

Seth,

I don't believe the numbered items you listed below are 'undisputed' facts,
mainly cause I'm going to dispute some of them and clarify some others in
which I think the statement is a bit misleading (though feel free to
indicate where my dispute is incorrect)

First, for reference, this is the current wording on the Warrant Article
that we are voting on for the Special Town Meeting:

"To see if the Town will vote to raise and appropriate by taxation, by
transfer from available funds, including stabilization funds, by borrowing
or any combination thereof, a sum of money to hire the necessary project
management and design consultants to develop schematic level design plan
options and cost estimates for the proposed Community Center; with the
intent of presenting said choices at a fall, 2023 Special Town Meeting for
a vote on a preferred option; or take any action relative thereto."
[reference: https://www.lincolntown.org/1373/2022-Special-Town-Meeting]

I will point out that the wording is fairly generic and I believe this is
intentional to give the Community Center Building Committee some
flexibility in what they are doing.

I will dispute the individual points below. I originally wrote this with
considerable more commentary, but decided that a more concise dispute /
clarification would be more easily digestible.

1) this vote will ONLY authorize work to develop two similar $25m concepts
> (not including ongoing operating costs) at a cost of $325k.
>

The vote provides funds for professional services to develop plans and cost
estimates on a community center on the Hartwell site, it doesn't stipulate
what is being developed.  What is generally assumed is that they will
develop the two existing concepts.  The committee could add in
stipulations, though they are not bound to in any way to do so.

2) The presumption is that an analysis of needs has already been completed,
> is sufficient, and has weighed alternatives. This is not a vote to go back
> to the drawing board or develop a new plan.  It’s a vote to move forward on
> the existing $25m plans.
>

The vote is to provide funds to move forward on plans for a community
center on the Hartwell site.  It does imply that the case for renovating
Bemis / renovating the pods / using Pierce House as the solution is off the
table.  It does NOT require two $25m plans to be developed.

3) this project does not incorporate a new facility for LEAP.
>

The project allocates funds for renovation of the pod that currently houses
LEAP, but LEAP itself is not intended to be housed in the Community Center
in any of the current plans.

4) the output of the project will be a better estimate of costs, which will
> vary and can be optimized.  However given that the input is two specific
> designs, it is not accurate to suggest that materially cheaper alternatives
> would/could be the output.  One should not expect a $15m solution or a
> needs analysis to be the output.
>

This is not necessarily a given, the architects work at the direction of
the committee. Can they shave a sufficient amount off? I think that's for
the professionals to decide.


> 5) the vote to proceed requires a 2/3 majority. That means every NO vote
> is particularly powerful, as it offsets two yes votes.
>

This is true!  So EVERY vote counts, not only because it's a 2/3 majority,
but also to make sure your opinion is given...but also so people don't
complain later that which ever way it goes was decided by a small number of
people.  So whether you are for or against, come vote.

I will add here some other 'undisputed' facts (though please fact check me
as well...)

A) This will cost the property owners:
Property tax WILL increase due to debt service (the cost of the loan to
construct the building).
Property tax CAN increase due to operating cost.  There are staffing costs,
operations, and maintenance associated with the building, but some of that
is already in the budget to maintain/operate the existing buildings.
Estimates for this have not been provided.

B) If the vote is a 'no', there are no funds available to determine options
for construction of a community center.  Doing so would require funds
allocated for professional services to develop plans, which would require
another vote to allocate those funds.

C) The planning committee has interest in building a Community Center on
the Hartwell Site.  They are going to put forth the best plan they can in
order to get the town to build it, which would require ANOTHER 2/3 vote at
a later date.

D) A 'Yes' vote would provide the CCBC with the funds to hire professional
services needed to bring the project to the next stage. It does not
obligate the town to build the Community Center.

E*) Folks need to either trust that the CCBC is operating in good faith and
assessing the options fairly and being able to separate out 'need' from
'want', or just assume that they never are, in which case you're not
trusting them to do anything and you'd vote no regardless

Re: [LincolnTalk] let's give the Community Center Building Committee a Chance

[Andy Wang]

Lynne,

The 2018 final report is available online if you want to save yourself a
trip:

https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/35628/Lincoln-CCPPDC-Report-07-12-18-digital

The Appendix details are actually really interesting in terms of breaking
down use (A, B, C) and also of how they are estimating cost (P).  Helps to
see where they arrived at the figures they did.

Andy






On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:20 AM Lynne Smith  wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Thank you for articulating my thoughts. I was about to write a similar
> email. I hope the CCBC will consider attaching a ‘budget’ of $15mm to the
> $325K study.  If the original architect (Maryann Thompson) could be
> challenged to do what they could with a smaller budget, everyone might be
> very happy with the outcome.  For example, some areas might be cut out
> altogether but renovations could be made to ensure that we can continue to
> use our beloved Bemis safely for individual meetings (soundproofed offices,
> better bathrooms) and auditorium events.  I am just not willing to see
> Bemis deteriorate because we have put everything into a brand new building
> that looks like it could be anywhere in the country!
>
> That said, I love MaryannThompson’s designs:  the CC, Walden Pond visitors
> center, and a private home I visited on Chappaquiddick a couple of years
> ago!
>
> I bet that team could come up with an innovative approach that would cost
> far less but still meet our needs: cozy at Bemis, modern and open at
> Hartwell.
>
> I’m headed to Town Offices today to look at the 2018 report and its
> appendices. I appreciate all the work that has been done to date and don’t
> want it to go unnoticed (e.g., throw out the baby with the bathwater?).
>
> Best,
> Lynne Smith
>
>
> Lynne Smith
> 5 Tabor Hill Road
> 
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> 
> cell:  781-258-1175
> ly...@smith.net
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Bob Mason  wrote:
>
> Rhonda,
>
> I and I believe many fellow citizens concur with your general sentiment,
> but I believe the core of the nervousness is the concern that the $325K
> will be spent on flushing out one of the existing designs, of which we have
> been informed could be a $25MM+ project and a portion of the community is
> not comfortable spending that sum of money on a community center. We are
> then put into a potential situation where we spend $325K on a design that
> is then rejected by the community.
>
> Collectively, perhaps the town is comfortable spending a lower amount -
> perhaps the original price tag of $15MM is a good target? - if that is the
> case, how do we capture that sentiment now to give direction to the CCPC
> and the architecture firm for this next phase of design?
>
> Perhaps the vote does not need to be so discrete with a Yes or No vote on
> just allocating $325K. Perhaps attaching a max project cost constraint
> would reassure people that spending the $325K now won't lead to a project
> that is ultimately rejected by the town and thus wasting $325K (a
> significant sum, regardless of the source).
>
> bob
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 9:27 AM Rhonda Swain 
> wrote:
>
>> In the last few weeks, Lincolnites have engaged in a lively discussion on
>> Lincoln Talk about the pros and cons of building a new Community Center.
>> Some voices urge a “no” vote at the November 30 Special Town Meeting to
>> stop the Town from spending $325,000 to hire an owner’s representative and
>> an architect to flesh out the existing Community Center schematic designs.
>>
>>
>> To me, the idea of halting the project at this point fails to honor many
>> aspects of the kind of democracy on which Lincoln prides itself.
>>
>>
>> · First, it would simply discard the decade of hard work that
>> resulted in the designs we have in hand today, effectively saying
>> “Everything has changed, so the work of the past is invalid.”  This seems
>> short-sighted.  The benefits of a Community Center have been
>> well-documented and long promised to the residents of Lincoln.  It seems
>> unlikely that things have changed so much that we need a hard stop at this
>> point.
>>
>>
>> · Second, it doesn’t give the current Community Center Building
>> Committee a chance to work with professionals to come up with complete
>> proposals on which the Town can vote.  Approving the expenditure to hire
>> professionals to develop more complete designs doesn’t commit the Town to
>> any design.  Property taxes will NOT increase because of this vote.  There
>> will be another chance to vote on the final project, with much better
>> information on costs, trade-offs against other Town priorities, and
>> property tax impacts.
>>
>>
>> · Finally, shutting the project down now does not give private
>> fundraising a chance to tap into the generosity of Lincoln’s residents who
>

Re: [LincolnTalk] Waiting for Andy Payne

[Andy Wang]

He did, he's the chair of FinCom. Did you catch the State of the Town
meeting last night? I thought he did a nice job of outlining the
assumptions and where the town stands (and also where there are still
unknowns).  If not, here's the Zoom Link of the recording.

https://us06web.zoom.us/rec/share/NTEsrGUhsk73GsHcXlAtlw4n84IMnMVpIJZ2eaKr2EShagQ77fe2jcRYqHQxCETz.Y4lKyFe_21BBXwXO

If there's something specific, he's also willing to answer questions.

One Andy responding for another,

Andy



On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 1:17 PM Louis Zipes  wrote:

> Like Jon Ralston for Nevada elections, I await Andy Payne to break down
> the proposed Community Center finances.  😀
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free: Lego Ninjago pinata

[Andy Wang]

Taken, with a few back ups.  Thanks

Andy



On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 4:42 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> We got this Ninjago pinata a few years ago for my son's birthday and they
> hit it a bunch, but never broke.  Eventually we just threw the candy out of
> it.
>
> It still has another birthday party left in it if anyone is interested.
> No candy...it's about 18" tall.
>
>
>
> Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free tomato cages

[Andy Wang]

Spoken for, with a few backups.  Thanks.

Andy



On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 4:28 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone interested in tomato cages?  I have 21 of them of two sizes (-3'
> and -5')
>
> Thought someone might be interested.  Free to a good home.
>
> (Also let me know when you can come get them)
>
> Andy
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[LincolnTalk] Free: Lego Ninjago pinata

[Andy Wang]

We got this Ninjago pinata a few years ago for my son's birthday and they hit 
it a bunch, but never broke.  Eventually we just threw the candy out of it.  

It still has another birthday party left in it if anyone is interested.  No 
candy...it's about 18" tall.



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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Andy Wang]

Seth,

Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the
Spring (reference here
),
the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally
estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected
to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like
20-26% on the low end.

Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As
proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior
Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a
conflation, others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think
are two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more
use.  At the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has
shown to have a positive effect on all involved.  There may be other
intangible benefits for a Community Center, you can't look at everything
from a financial side only (though, you can't ignore it either).

In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are
not ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access,
parking, physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I
doubt a large renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it
doesn't appear like there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do
need a renovation, if you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.

I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put
my little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things
you would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that
wasn't really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not
concretely).  So, in general, I am in support of a combined community
center to house CoA and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale,
I'm undecided.

I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though.  The vote at the
end of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to
provide detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals.  The 'Infill of
Pods' and the "Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3
- $25.4M (2025 Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively.  I'm sure lots of
folks may prefer one or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from
a financial standpoint, they are about the same cost.  Both are lovely
buildings, but my concern is that neither may pass the larger town vote.  I
would have rather seen two separate proposals for a community center, one
at the $12M range and one at the $24M range.  Actual cost just as an
example.

It's clear the next steps that happen if the vote passes.  What happens if
the vote fails to pass?  Does that remove the possibility of having a
community center or does that just put things back to the committee to come
back again?  From my perspective, I'd much prefer a community center on a
smaller scale, but also, I'd rather have one at the current proposal and be
forced to pay, than not have one.  I'm just not sure which way to vote in
that case.

Andy





On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 11:47 AM Seth Rosen  wrote:

> Since some posters have mentioned it, we thought it would be helpful to
> zero into how the Pods factor into the Community Center project and what we
> think is the most rational path for the activities there.
>
> Neither of the existing currently proposed designs contemplates a new home
> for LEAP, although I do agree with Diana that there are definitely capital
> needs there.
>
> There are three pods. In both designs POD B would be LIGHTLY renovated and
> stay as a standalone facility to host LEAP. In one of the designs the two
> other pods would be torn down and in the other design they would be
> incorporated into the Community Center.
>
> The cost of renovating the LEAP pod was estimated at $1.125MM in 2018,
> using the same cost inflator used for the overall project, the updated cost
> would be approximately $1.6MM, which corresponds to 6% of the total
> Community Center project cost.
>
> We argue that the town has other public space to host the activities
> hosted in the Pods today, if at some point in the future they are not
> deemed further usable. LEAP as well as all of the after-hours Parks and Rec
> school-age-activities, which represent the vast majority of the program's
> indoor offerings, could easily be hosted in what is otherwise a brand-new
> empty school. There is already a precedent of a Parks & Recreation
> activity, namely IMLEM, using the school, specifically the 8th grade hub,
> to conduct its activities. We are sure other adult activities could also
> find accomodation. Adult basketball for example is already hosted at Reed
> Gym.
>
> As it relates to Parks and Rec Department (PRD), there is no urgency in
> finding the Department a new home. Once that happens, as anyone who has
> s

Re: [LincolnTalk] Impending Real Estate Tax Increase and the Proposed Community Center

[Andy Wang]

Just to clarify the statement "On November 14th the Committee will provide
more details on the two designs presented in May and ask residents to
approve $325,000 to hire an architect to finalize both designs and put them
to a vote at the Special Town Meeting on November 30th."

The Nov 14th meeting (State of the Town, Night 1) is meant to provide
additional details, it's informational. The vote at Special Town Meeting on
Nov 30th is to approve the $325,000 for professional services to finalize
the designs.  We're not actually voting on spending any more money than
that (at this point).  That might be what you meant, but just wanted to
clarify the distinction and where we are in the movie.  However, if neither
of the two existing designs you believe are acceptable, then a vote of 'no'
would not allow that to go forward.

*The proposed schedule presented Mar 26, 2022 (reference here
)
*
Nov 2022: Approve funds for Professional Service
Dec 2022: Hire Professionals and Develop Schematics
Nov 2023: Town Meeting Selects Preferred Option
Mar 2024: Town Meeting Vote for Project Funds
Dec 2024: Design & Documents
Mar 2025: Bidding & Award
Jun 2025: Begin Construction
Dec 2026: Complete Construction

Note, I'm not advocating for or against this at this point.  Seth makes
some good points (and some iffy ones I'll debate with him privately).
Either way, get informed and vote your mind.

- Andy




On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 2:17 PM Seth Rosen  wrote:

> Friends and Neighbors -
>
> I've recently become more informed on this particular issue, and share a
> lot of the concerns articulated below.  The below information was compiled
> by a group of very diligent and thoughtful neighbors whose opinions I
> respect. I volunteered to send it along to LincolnTalk.
>
> *If you have feelings on this issue, and are concerned about a potential
> ~9% property tax increase to fund it, please make your voice heard on
> November 30th.  *
>
> *The Background*
>
> In May of 2022, a proposal was approved at Town Meeting to establish a
> Committee to explore the construction of a Community Center. The major goal
> for the Community Center is to house the Council on Aging, in other words,
> to operate as a senior center. At that time, the cost of this Community
> Center was estimated at $25MM. This cost would be paid from our property
> taxes.
>
> On November 14th the Committee will provide more details on the two
> designs presented in May and ask residents to approve $325,000 to hire an
> architect to finalize both designs and put them to a vote at the Special
> Town Meeting on November 30th.
>
> While we want to provide seniors with a facility that meets their needs,
> we believe the two very similar designs envisioned by the Committee are not
> the right path forward. The details are spelled out below, but basically:
>
> -   They are too expensive, out of proportion to our needs and means.
> Your property taxes will go up thousands of dollars a year, forever, making
> our town even more unaffordable for many residents.
>
> -   Town’s finances are already stretched after the completion of the
> school building and will be further compromised by unavoidable incremental
> expenses and capital investments.
>
> -   There are better and cheaper ways to achieve the same goals. They
> should be investigated before moving ahead with a final design.
>
> What can you do? First, learn more about this. *There is low awareness of
> this project and its consequences*, but in our experience when folks are
> debriefed on the matter, most agree with our take. Read below for more
> detailed information about the costs and alternatives, and please do not
> hesitate to get in touch if you have questions (email
> lincolnccquesti...@gmail.com). Second, come to the Special Town Meeting
> in the Donaldson Auditorium on November 30th at 7:30pm, and vote against
> the proposal to spend another $325,000 to fund additional work on this
> design.
>
> The current proposal is disproportionate to our needs and would make our
> town even more unaffordable for young families and retired seniors. Our
> estimate is that the construction and manning of the Center would increase
> the average property tax bill by $1,700. We can both provide our seniors
> the services they need, and avoid financial hardship in our community.
>
> *Its financial impact has been materially understated*
>
> The preliminary financial impact presented at Town Meeting in May is not
> an accurate representation of the financial burden the Community Center
> will impose on our town:
>
> ·   The 3% interest rate discussed at the time would be over 4%
> today. This alone would increase the debt service cost by 20%.
>
> ·   The alternatives presented last year ranged between $23MM and
> $25.4MM. We can use $25MM to calculate the debt service. Using the updated
> interest rate, annual debt

Re: [LincolnTalk] Free: Small chess side table (claimed)

[Andy Wang]

Taken, with a few backups.

Andy



On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 9:42 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone interested is a small chess side table, wood.
>
> Roughly 17-1/2” x 17-1/2” x 19” (high)
>
> Pickup only (north Lincoln)
>
> Andy
>
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[LincolnTalk] Free: Small chess side table

[Andy Wang]

Anyone interested is a small chess side table, wood.

Roughly 17-1/2” x 17-1/2” x 19” (high)

Pickup only (north Lincoln)

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Posting events

[Andy Wang]

Here is where you can change your settings so you don’t get the digest,
that should solve your problem rather than relying on others to change
their behavior (which is probably a tougher ask).  If it’s too much email,
all emails have a [LincolnTalk] tag on the subject line which makes it easy
to set up a filter.  An added benefit is that this threads the messages
better so the replies with all the copied text is easier to skim (another
common digest complaint).  Then just peruse at your convenience.

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> Some people read this mailing list in “digest” form, which is delayed by a
> day. That means messages about events happening “today” get to me the day
> after it happens, which isn’t very useful. I am just seeing messages sent
> Saturday, including some events that are already over.
>
> I suggest that people who post about events like pop up markets should try
> very hard to send the message a full day before. Otherwise, I’ll never see
> the message in time to go to some of these very interesting events!
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Christopher Eliot
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Comparable water usage??

[Andy Wang]

I'm curious, is it that some folks are going WAY over 65 gal/per person/per
day and throwing off the average or is that most households are going over
that per day?  Just curious if it is largely a systemic issue or just a few
outliers that are pulling the numbers high. That seems like the water
department or the town has that data since they are billing people.  Is
that information public record?  Seems like an interesting dataset to go
through.

Also, 25% water loss seems huge.  What is the mechanism to detect loss of
water?  I presume you know how much is being cumulatively pushed through
all the meters in Lincoln (the out), but are there multiple points to
measure the input flow?  Or even localize?  I know when the town suspected
a leak near our house, they hired someone with acoustic equipment to find
the leak.  it worked, but probably not cost effective on a large scale.

Andy

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 10:23 AM RAandBOB  wrote:

> The state restricts us in three ways: we are supposed to meet 65 gallons
> per person per day overall. We have a maximum amount of water we may draw
> from the well and from the pond. Our unaccounted for water should be less
> than 10%. We don’t meet any of those metrics.
>
> We are not over by a lot in water usage, but we are always over. We are
> under during the winter months, and significantly over during the summer
> months, so you know that the extra water usage is from outdoor watering.
>
> With regard to the leaks, we have a leak detection program that was yearly
> and is now going to be multiple times per year, but we still have almost
> 25% water loss. My personal suspicion is that it is from leaking service
> lines between the street and the house. Very hard to detect especially for
> houses that are far from the street.
>
> Be a good scout for the water department. If you hear running water or see
> swampy areas in your yard or in the woods, call us. The last two major
> leaks that we fixed were reported by alert citizens.
>
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
>
> On Aug 3, 2022, at 3:06 PM, Ursula Nowak  wrote:
>
> 
> If you are referring to my email, I didn't say we are using more than our
> neighboring towns. We are using more than the goal set by the state for us
> which is 65 gallons per person per day. At least that is my understanding
> of why we are a level above the state drought restrictions but perhaps a
> member of the water commission could shed more light on this. I attended
> part of their meeting on Friday and was impressed with their dedication and
> diligence. I am grateful for the work they do on our behalf!
> Ursula
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 2:45 PM Pat Gray  wrote:
>
>> First, is the data correct?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2022, at 2:42 PM, Elaine Hawkes 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Having read that our town uses more water than others, and not
>> noticing that we, or our cars,  are any cleaner than average, I am
>> wondering in what ways we are using so much water.
>> > Does the data give any information?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Elaine
>> > 🤔
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[LincolnTalk] Alt. Fireworks Shows in the area

[Andy Wang]

What are other ‘good’ firework shows in the area?  I know there are lists
of shows on various sites, but I don’t get a good sense of the size of the
show and other intangibles (e.g ease of parking, viewing location comfort).
Missing the Lincoln show!

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] mount misery, dogs and bikes

[Andy Wang]

So are people just against bikes at Mt. Misery or bikes in general?

Lincoln has 80+ miles of trails (
https://www.lincolntown.org/245/Conservation).  The increase of trails
that are accessible to
bikes from 8-19 miles still restricts mountain biking to only ~24% of the
trails that exist in the town (up from 10%).  So there are still 61+ miles
of trails in the town to explore if you REALLY want to avoid mountain
bikes.  Posts seem to imply that bikes would be rampant over all of
Lincoln, but that’s not really the proposal that was presented.

Andy



On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 6:05 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> I am a jogger, runner & Nordic skier.
>
> I believe that it is always proper etiquette to announce yourself when you
> are coming up behind someone. The faster you are moving (biking, running,
> fast paced skiing) the more important it is to announce yourself.
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022, 5:58 PM, Gordon Woodington <
> alpinemeado...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> True Johanna, though these ones you mention do not all have the same
> jarring effect as bikers who never announce themselves or do so way too
> late and inconsiderately.   I was on the trails at Mt. Misery yesterday,
> and had a nice conversation with a dog walker from Bedford.  He comes to
> Lincoln for it's more quiet, peaceful experience, and less crowded, for
> both his well behaved dog and himself. Unsolicited, he expressed issuse
> with "arrogant bikers" as he described them.  Our specialness will be lost
> if Lincoln homogenizes to be the lowest common denominator to be like other
> towns, if Lincoln helds to this as "the way to go".  I pray that Lincoln
> does not go this way, rather keeps its difference, its diversification, in
> the face of pressure to lose it.
>
> There is history and wisdom in Lincoln about what happened negatively in
> the past.  We should take that all to heart. Not to yield to yet another
> experiment, one which also had no adequate procedure and funding in place
> even to evaluate/compensate for the proposed changes.
>
> I second Colleen Katsuki's posting wholeheartedly.
>
> Gordon Woodington
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 5:40 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> In all of these discussions let’s please not forget joggers, runners,
> cross-country skiers, & snow shoers…
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022, 5:19 PM, Colleen Katsuki <
> coll...@shadowtracks.org> wrote:
>
>
> I always wait a little to see what everybody has to say before I chime
> in. My former husband David and I moved to Lincoln in 1994 because of
> the conservation land. I could track deer out by back door! It was
> wonderful. David soon joined the conservation commission and served for
> many years. One issue that came up early was that of dogs off leash at
> Mount Misery. One off leash dog caused a horse to rear up, fortunately
> not injuring the rider and other dogs jumped on small children causing
> them much distress. Because Mount misery has plenty of parking, it was
> the focus of that discussion. One evening after the con com meeting Dave
> came home and poured himself stiff one. I said :" They have driven you
> to drink." And he laughed and said "Yes." In true Lincoln fashion there
> was much heated discussion, but eventually a good Lincoln compromise was
> made. Dogs were allowed off leash on certain trails at Mount MIsery and
> not on others.  Of course that issue has never been revisited.
>
>
> I have several thoughts about bikes on trails, and obviously I compare
> that with dogs off or on leash. With both dogs off leash and bikes,
> there is a disturbance of the people on foot or on horseback. The
> walkers do not disturb the off leash dogs or the bicycle riders. The
> disturbance and lack of comfort caused is one way only : It bothers the
> walkers. I think that should be strongly considered. If bikes are
> allowed on all trails, will walkers stop coming? Where would they go if
> this resource that many have used for years is no longer usable for
> them? Especially during covid, folks appreciated the solace of nature
> unimpeded by noise or disturbance. The quietness is too important to be
> lost, because once it is lost, it will not be returning. I am hopeful
> that a classic Lincoln compromise can be made limiting bike use to only
> a few trails.
>
>
>
> Colleen Katsuki
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Andy Wang]

Also, for context:  Lincoln has 80+ miles of trails (
https://www.lincolntown.org/245/Conservation).  So the increase of trails
that are accessible to bikes from 8-19 miles still restricts mountain
biking to only ~24% of the trails that exist in the town (up from 10%).  So
there are still 61+ miles of trails in the town to explore if you REALLY
want to avoid mountain bikes.

- Andy

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:51 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Bedford has a nice system.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 6:48 PM, llas902551--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Mayb the trails committee  can find out from surrounding  towns  how they
> handle bikes/walkers.
> Lynne  LaSpina
>
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>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Car battery charger suggestions

[Andy Wang]

I used a 120v charger…once, then gave up.  It really depends on your
pattern of driving (how many miles per day) and charging (how often you
want to plug in).

A 120v charger will give about 1.4kW power (12A) so you would end up with
around 2-4 miles of range per hour of charging.  So if you don’t drive much
and are also willing to plug in every day.  It might work.  But it could be
multiple days to get a full charge if you let it run down (at that point,
probably better off going to a DC charger).

We have a Chargepoint Home Flex (48A, 11kW) at home and have been happy
with it.  Installed outside.  I plug in once or twice a week.

Andy



On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:02 AM Tim Mangini  wrote:

> Sara,
>
>
>
> We have a 40amp Juice Box charger and it has served us extremely well. Got
> the appropriate discounts.  The only thing we didn’t like was the large
> bright status light that is on all the time. (We solved it with some black
> electrical tape.) With some chargers (like Juicebox) you can get additional
> discounts if you sign up with your electricity providers’ energy demand
> program where you agree they can throttle your charging during peak demand.
> We have Eversource and it has never affected us. That saved over $300 if I
> recall.
>
> To the Louis Zipes’ question, we worked off of a 120 v charger for 4
> months and never wanted for a charge, but we didn’t have too many big trips
> during that time.
>
>
>
> —
>
> tim
>
>
>
> From: Sara R 
>
> To: Lincoln listserv 
>
> Subject: [LincolnTalk] Car battery charger suggestions for an electric
>
> car (not a Tesla)
>
> Message-ID: 
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>
> Hello-
>
>
>
> We have just purchased an electric car and our electrician suggested we
> ask the Lincoln listserv what 40 amp chargers people have recently had
> success with.  He likes the juice box brand but suggested we just see if
> folks have new brands of chargers they like.
>
>
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Sara Brown
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town land along Old County Rd

[Andy Wang]

Carol,

Is the stuff you are seeing within 10 ft of the road?  Sorry, your photos
gave the impression that it was strewn about deeper.

When talking to the reservoir manager, did you ask them about cleanup?

Andy



On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 4:06 PM Carol Ryan  wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> The reservoir manager at the office of the City of Cambridge Reservoir
> management says 10 feet to the rd belongs to the town of Lincoln.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Andy Wang  wrote:
>
> 
> According to the nifty Lincoln GIS (https://www.axisgis.com/LincolnMA/),
> the land adjacent to the reservoir along Old County Road it's owned by the
> City of Cambridge, not the Town of Lincoln.  So I'm not even sure DPW can
> go clean it up, that would be trespassing...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:56 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> As I said before, contact the Selects and ask to have a discussion.
>> Otherwise, you can start a citizen’s petition to request a position be
>> funded in the DPW budget.
>> There is a way to see if others also agree that our tax dollars should
>> pay for this, otherwise, we can go out with trash bags and each do a little
>> bit in our neighborhoods.
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> The town should acknowledge that street sweeping is different than trash
>> pick up.In 28 years I have yet to see a town crew picking up litter on the
>> town land that abuts the reservoir land. This remains a dumping ground for
>> all sorts of trash. A clean up
>> Once a year would be great.
>> Carol Ryan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:43 PM, betty green  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I live on Old County Rd not far far from Carol.   Clearly there are
>> streets in Lincoln that are more affected than others by littering.Old
>> County is one of them as we are close to a reservoir and major business
>> center and the road provides a major thoroughfare with low
>> lighting/visibility for cars.
>>
>> Other roads in Lincoln are similarly affected for these or different
>> reasons and the town is probably aware of them.   These roads deserve more
>> effort by the town with more frequent street cleaning.  Perhaps this is
>> already happening but does not seem enough.
>>
>> Betty Green
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022, 09:06:50 AM EDT, Richard Panetta <
>> richardpane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As someone a stated before. We can’t have town employees cleaning roads
>> every time trash is dumped. They have other things to do and only clean
>> during certain times of the year.
>>
>> Curious if it is on the reservoir side is that not owned or run by
>> Cambridge or do they just lease the land/water area?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:50 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of who is dumping this trash the fact remains it is on town
>> owned land and should be cleaned up by a town crew.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> Definitely being dumped from vehicles and perhaps the same one given the
>> repeat tossing of Bud Light cans and cases.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Randi Rotjan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> We live along Concord Road and also regularly pick up litter from the
>> side of the road. We invested in one of these trash grabbers
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Grabber-FitPlus-Premium-Reacher-Warranty/dp/B07T3HTBD9/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=20KD5OY6VHRLJ&keywords=trash+picker+grabber&qid=1647865670&sprefix=trash+picker%2Caps%2C86&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzOVdYTFBXWklZMlNFJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDI3ODE3MkNJUE41MzNTR1NXTCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjY0MTE2M1NHNkY4STRLTVpYViZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=>:
>> I highly recommend it.
>>
>> Randi
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:21 AM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately  more people  using trails hence more trash. Place many
>> signs. Trails will b closed if become dangerous  and trashy. So upsetting
>> folks don't have manners.
>> Lynne
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:58 PM, Lesl

Re: [LincolnTalk] Town land along Old County Rd

[Andy Wang]

According to the nifty Lincoln GIS (https://www.axisgis.com/LincolnMA/),
the land adjacent to the reservoir along Old County Road it's owned by the
City of Cambridge, not the Town of Lincoln.  So I'm not even sure DPW can
go clean it up, that would be trespassing...



On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:56 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> As I said before, contact the Selects and ask to have a discussion.
> Otherwise, you can start a citizen’s petition to request a position be
> funded in the DPW budget.
> There is a way to see if others also agree that our tax dollars should pay
> for this, otherwise, we can go out with trash bags and each do a little bit
> in our neighborhoods.
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> The town should acknowledge that street sweeping is different than trash
> pick up.In 28 years I have yet to see a town crew picking up litter on the
> town land that abuts the reservoir land. This remains a dumping ground for
> all sorts of trash. A clean up
> Once a year would be great.
> Carol Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:43 PM, betty green  wrote:
>
> 
> I live on Old County Rd not far far from Carol.   Clearly there are
> streets in Lincoln that are more affected than others by littering.Old
> County is one of them as we are close to a reservoir and major business
> center and the road provides a major thoroughfare with low
> lighting/visibility for cars.
>
> Other roads in Lincoln are similarly affected for these or different
> reasons and the town is probably aware of them.   These roads deserve more
> effort by the town with more frequent street cleaning.  Perhaps this is
> already happening but does not seem enough.
>
> Betty Green
> On Monday, March 21, 2022, 09:06:50 AM EDT, Richard Panetta <
> richardpane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> As someone a stated before. We can’t have town employees cleaning roads
> every time trash is dumped. They have other things to do and only clean
> during certain times of the year.
>
> Curious if it is on the reservoir side is that not owned or run by
> Cambridge or do they just lease the land/water area?
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:50 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Regardless of who is dumping this trash the fact remains it is on town
> owned land and should be cleaned up by a town crew.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Definitely being dumped from vehicles and perhaps the same one given the
> repeat tossing of Bud Light cans and cases.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Randi Rotjan  wrote:
>
> 
> We live along Concord Road and also regularly pick up litter from the side
> of the road. We invested in one of these trash grabbers
> :
> I highly recommend it.
>
> Randi
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:21 AM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately  more people  using trails hence more trash. Place many
> signs. Trails will b closed if become dangerous  and trashy. So upsetting
> folks don't have manners.
> Lynne
> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> 
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:58 PM, Leslie Turek
>  wrote:
> When I lived in Watertown, we had a terrible problem with people dropping
> trash all along the paths alongside the Charles River. Each year, on Earth
> Day, one of the local citizen's groups organized trash cleanup parties all
> along the river. It was a shame we had to do that, but together, we all
> made a difference.
>
> When I moved to Lincoln, I was so pleased that I could walk our beautiful
> trails without constantly running across trash. I'm sorry to hear that the
> plague has spread to our town as well. Perhaps we need a similar sort of
> cleanup day. Although I would much rather spend my time doing something
> useful, like pulling up garlic mustard or planting native pollinators,
> rather than having to waste time picking up after thoughtless people.
>
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:06 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Who's responsibility is it to clean this up?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Forcing Lincoln to ban use of gas and oil at home? RE: Webinars regarding Citizen's Petition for Town meeting

[Andy Wang]

Even if you could do it in either order, it seems like this is a natural
first step.  If the town can't pass even asking if we can establish home
rule legislation, why bother moving forward with all the discussion
(however entertaining).  This article really only asks the state if we are
allowed to make our own (Lincoln) rules, which could be restrictive, or
not, or nothing at all.  All that seems like it would come up in future
spirited Lincoln Talk discussions...

I think there is some confusion because of the lack of specificity.  The
actual article that we are voting on is this:

"ARTICLE 31 To see if the Town will vote to request home rule legislation
to establish the authority to restrict the installation of fossil fuel
infrastructure in major new construction; or take any other actin relative
thereto."
[ref: 2022 Annual Town Meeting Warrants

]

[also, 'actin'?  Is that supposed to be 'action'?  Not sure if that's a
typo or just some legalese I'm not familiar with]

What is the current thinking on what constitutes a 'major new
construction'?  Is it an individual residence?  A pool house?  A town
building?  A new housing development?  An addition?

Belinda, Propane is a fossil fuel though.  The article doesn't mention a
'central infrastructure'. Is that part of the plan? Oil is distributed the
same way propane is, and I'd assume that would be included.  I read
'restrict the installation of fossil fuel infrastructure' to mean any
support internal to a project (like a home heating system), not how the
fuel is distributed.   I think this ties back to the fact that the language
is ambiguous.  Maybe this all comes in the second phase where we debate the
actual language.

Was any additional information (or a recording of the zoom call) posted on
https://www.lincolngreenenergy.org/?  It was mentioned that additional
material was going to be posted there, but I couldn't find any (though I
may have just missed it).  I just wanted to read up and the times of the
zoom meetings didn't work for me.

Thanks.

Andy



On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 6:33 PM Belinda Gingrich 
wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
> What would you do to solve the climate crisis? You give well thought out
> ideas and it would be interesting to hear your proposals.
>
> India and China may be producing more greenhouse gases, as they are
> supporting a few more people, but should we do nothing? What ideas to you
> have for Lincoln to do?
>
> If I were building a new home I would want it to be as air tight and well
> insulated as possible so that my energy bills for heating would be
> minuscule. Who wouldn’t want a Passive House
>  with minimal heating bills?
> Should we be allowed to build inefficient houses because we haven’t heard
> about better options?
>
> Is Gas a right? Massachusetts has very leaky natural gas infrastructure
> 
>  contributing
> to global warming and not even heating our houses. It would cost enormous
> amounts of money to repair even the major leaks and new leaks are forming
> all the time. If we could all switch to electric homes we wouldn’t need all
> the leaky infrastructure. I certainly don’t want to pay for a leaky gas
> infrastructure. I want the government to legislate it away!
>
> https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/25/methane-emissions-natural-gas-massachusetts-climate-change
>
> There are options. Propane tanks are an option for people who have a leaky
> old house that needs back-up heat, for people who want a generator because
> of trees falling on electric lines (not to mention squirrels causing
> havoc), and for people who must have gas cooktops despite the health
> warnings. This seems a good libertarian option that doesn’t depend on a
> central infrastructure that everyone needs to buy into. Just my 2 cents
> about a centralized gas system.
>
> Warm regards,
> Belinda
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Kids shoes

[Andy Wang]

Shoes have been claimed.  Thanks!

- Andy

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 12:10 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> See if anyone can make use of these:
>
> From left to right:
> Flip flops, new, size 10-11
> Merrell, girls, size 12.5
> Brown shoes, size 1
> Transformers sandals, size 13
>
> All in good condition.
>
> Couple of random hats…left one has a “beard”  :)
>
> Pickup in North Lincoln if that makes a difference in convenience.
>
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[LincolnTalk] Kids shoes

[Andy Wang]

See if anyone can make use of these:

From left to right:
Flip flops, new, size 10-11
Merrell, girls, size 12.5
Brown shoes, size 1
Transformers sandals, size 13

All in good condition.  

Couple of random hats…left one has a “beard”  :)

Pickup in North Lincoln if that makes a difference in convenience.  


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[LincolnTalk] Small engine service recommendations?

[Andy Wang]

Does anyone have a recommendations for someone to service small engines?  I
have a Honda snowblower that needs service.  Prefer someone who can service
on site or come to pick up, but could bring it in too.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free Baby / pet gate

[Andy Wang]

Gate was claimed.  Thanks all.

- Andy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:02 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone need a tall baby / pet gate?
>
> 40” tall, min 28-30” width.  This is pressure mounted (but also has
> mounted cups if you want something more solid.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Huge storm trooper

[Andy Wang]

Claimed. With backups.  Thanks

Andy



On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 12:31 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> 4 ft tall storm trooper.  A little beat up (I prefer to think of it as
> battle tested..) by my boys.  It’s like the size of a child…
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mid century copper (?) hanging light

[Andy Wang]

Light has been claimed.

Andy



On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone interested in this mid century conical copper (I think) hanging
> light?
>
> At some point, when I get around to replacing it, I also have a slightly
> smaller matching one that you could also have.  Note, this is more at an
> mood light or accent light or over a smaller table.  the downward direction
> does not provide much in the way of illumination outwards.
>
> Seen the set on Etsy for a couple hundred.
>
> 18” wide at base, 26” tall (ish)
>
> In north Lincoln if that matters, if interested, let me know when you can
> come grab it and I can put it out for you.
>
>
>
> Andy
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[LincolnTalk] Huge storm trooper

[Andy Wang]

4 ft tall storm trooper.  A little beat up (I prefer to think of it as battle 
tested..) by my boys.  It’s like the size of a child…

Andy



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[LincolnTalk] Mid century copper (?) hanging light

[Andy Wang]

Anyone interested in this mid century conical copper (I think) hanging light?

At some point, when I get around to replacing it, I also have a slightly 
smaller matching one that you could also have.  Note, this is more at an mood 
light or accent light or over a smaller table.  the downward direction does not 
provide much in the way of illumination outwards.

Seen the set on Etsy for a couple hundred.

18” wide at base, 26” tall (ish)

In north Lincoln if that matters, if interested, let me know when you can come 
grab it and I can put it out for you.



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[LincolnTalk] Free Baby / pet gate

[Andy Wang]

Anyone need a tall baby / pet gate?

40” tall, min 28-30” width.  This is pressure mounted (but also has mounted 
cups if you want something more solid.   

Andy






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Re: [LincolnTalk] Round butcher block

[Andy Wang]

Claimed.  Thanks



On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 1:19 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone interested in a large round butcher block?  It is about 30” round
> and 2” thick, edge grain butcher block.  It has a juice run and a 4-1/2”
> hole in the middle.  It has rails in the underside for a bowl to sit in to
> catch juice and scraps.
>
> It is supposed to be a stand alone table, though I have no legs.  A friend
> gave it to me a while ago and it’s super nice but I don’t have a spot for
> it and now just need the space.  I finished it with food grade pure tung
> oil.
>
> Could be made into a table, a giant charcuterie board for 100 people, or
> just a massive cutting board if you have the space.
> Andy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Au**lphone?

[Andy Wang]

Apparently an Auriolphone (crystal radio)

http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/auriol_auriophone.html

Someone knew what it was and sent me that.

Thanks!



On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:06 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Okay, so our previous owners left this.
>
> I have no idea what this thing is.  It says ‘Au**lohone’ (part of the
> sticker is ripped off)
>
> So (a) anyone know what this is?  And (b) anyone want it?  Previous owner
> was from England.  Also a sticker that says ‘Type Approved By Post Master
> General’
>
> Random Thursday cleaning…
>
> Andy
>
>
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[LincolnTalk] Kids canopy beach and camping chair

[Andy Wang]

Anyone want a pair of kids camping chairs?

One blue, one red.  These are kid sized (1.5-5 maybe…).  For the beach these 
are great cause they have a built in canopy to keep the sun out.  Both is great 
shape.  

For pickup in north Lincoln if that matters.  If you’re interested, also let me 
know when you can pick up.

Andy


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Window air conditioner

[Andy Wang]

I have a taker.  Will post again if it falls through.

Andy



On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 12:24 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Anyone interested in a window air conditioner?  Basically brand new,
> except the external case is damaged.
>
> Ordered this and the first one came with a cracked front (plastic cover
> for the filter).  Called the company and they sent a replacement and told
> me to just dispose of the first one (kind of a waste since the ac works
> fine).  The second one came with a dented back case.   Rather then get yet
> another replacement, I just took it apart and put the two good pieces
> together.  I also put the two semi dented pieces together.
>
> Plugged it in and it seems to work fine.  Figure I’d see if anyone wanted
> it who doesn’t mind the dents (that part would mostly be outside the house).
>
> Frigidaire GHWW083WB1
> 8000 BTU
> $300 new
>
>
>
>
>
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[LincolnTalk] Borrow a mountain bike? Fat bike?

[Andy Wang]

Wondering if someone maybe has upgraded a bike or got a fat bike and maybe
it wasn't a good fit, that wouldn't mind me borrowing it for a test ride.
A lot of the shops I have seen have suspended rentals for the time being.

I was thinking I might like trying a fat bike or a mountain bike (I haven't
biked in years...and there's so much variety in things nowadays - mountain,
hybrid, fat, electric/non-electric!).  I'm not interested in road bikes as
MA drivers scare the bejeezus out of me, so I thought I'd stick to the
trails.

Also not convinced I'll actually like it, so I thought I'd try it out
before buying one.

I'm not that tall (5'6"), so maybe even something a teenager has grown out
of would work.  Just throwing it out there.

In general though, if you have a fat bike and love it (or hate it), I'd
also be interested in some feedback.

Thanks for reading!

- Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Air Force One?

[Andy Wang]

It was a Boeing KC-46A Pegasus, flanked by two F22’s according to
Flightradar24.

Andy



On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 6:40 PM Leslie Turek  wrote:

> According to Biden's public schedule, he's at his home in Delaware and a
> nearby golf course today.
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 6:34 PM Dan Paul  wrote:
>
>> It may have been the flyover at Gillette stadium for the Patriots
>> opening. Was it at about 4:40 pm?
>>
>> > On Sep 12, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Taylor Family 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Did anyone else see the large plane accompanied by two fighter jets
>> this pm?
>> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Picnic basket

[Andy Wang]

Claimed with several other backups currently.  Will work though the list.

Thanks!

Andy



On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 10:33 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Free:
>
> Picnic basket.
>
> Has space for 4 mugs (included) and 4 plates (included). Also a pocket if
> you want to put cutlery.  Compartment on the bottom for food.
>
> Preference if you can come swing by today to pick it up.
>
> Anyone named Yogi need not apply.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Recovery Strap to borrow?

[Andy Wang]

Thanks for the offers.  I ended up buying a recovery strap, but that was
unsuccessful in coaxing the hitch out. I’m close to out of ideas.

I’ve tried penetrating catalyst and hammer/mallet/sledge hammer.  Also
tried the recovery strap.  Still not budging.  Normally I’d try heating it
with a blowtorch, but it sits next to a mounted propane tank so that’s not
really an option.

Open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas.

Andy



On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 3:41 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone has a recovery strap (not a towing strap) and a
> tree saver that I could borrow for a few hours.  I have a stuck hitch I'm
> trying to pull and it's being stubborn...
>
> A bit random, but thought i'd ask.
>
>
> - Andy
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[LincolnTalk] Recovery Strap to borrow?

[Andy Wang]

Just wondering if anyone has a recovery strap (not a towing strap) and a
tree saver that I could borrow for a few hours.  I have a stuck hitch I'm
trying to pull and it's being stubborn...

A bit random, but thought i'd ask.

- Andy
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