VM VSE linux/390 Employment Web Page

2005-01-27 Thread Dennis G. Wicks
Greetings; (Posted to VMESA-L and VSE-L and LINUX-390)

- - Now in its sixth year! - - Includes VSE and linux/390!

I have set up a public service web page at

http://www.eskimo.com/~wix/vm/

for posting positions available and wanted for VM, VSE and linux/390.

Please visit the web page for more information and feel free to
send me any info you would like to have posted.  Please make VM
or VSE or linux/390 the first word in the subject.
Questions and comments welcome!
(Text or html OK.  No java, gifs, .DOC, etc. NO RESUMES or CVs!)
   

   === Please check the web pages for ===
  === examples before sending your ad! ===

Good luck,
Dennis

VM  VSE  linux/390 Positions Available last updated Dec 28.
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MAJOR announcement concerning Loriaux.com (home page for mainframers)

2005-01-27 Thread Eric Loriaux
Note: Sorry if you've received this message from
another mailing list already.

Dear friends,

First of all, for those of you who don't know me yet,
my site is built as a starting point for S/390 (z/OS,
OS/390, MVS, VSE, VM) system-programmers, application
programmers and operators on the Internet.

I'm really proud to announce you that my site is now
in the process of a complete change :

Starting this week, a new version of the site is in
production; this - I'm sure - will greatly improve
your interest in the site.

This new version of the site temporarily has a
slightly different url : http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/


The greatest benefits of this new site will now be :

- Web Links are now managed using a dedicated
application, Web_Links
(http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links).

- People will really have users' features :
registrated users are able to send and receive private
messages to other users, create and publish journals
and news for other people...
Please register now here :
http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/modules.php?name=Your_Accountop=new_user
This is important, as many features are only fully
available to registered user.

- Forums
(http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/modules.php?name=Forums)
will now allow you to create and take part to
mainframe-related discussion groups.
You've never been able to find a forum about a certain
matter ? You would like to have a place to discuss
with the other member of your user group ? You own a
web site where you can only host static pages and
would like to add some interactivity ?
Just come and discuss about it here :
http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/modules.php?name=Forumsfile=viewforumf=3

- Cherry on the cake, I've even installed a real time
Chat called  SPChat , which I invite you to test (as
you can see on the main SPChat page, you have to allow
pop-up windows for this site in order to be able to
use the chat).

Now you have a place to organize online events for
your user group... or for this mailing list (why not
?). Also note that although you can create dynamic
rooms, I can create permanent rooms if you like, which
might eventually be password protected.

Meet here :
http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/modules.php?name=SPChat

I hope you will appreciate this new site as I do.

How about the migration of existing links ?
An application has been written that filled the
required sql database based on the content of the old
static site.

How about the old static site ?
I've also written an application that generates the
static site based on the sql database, so I'll keep
the old site updated.
As the new site is already in production,  you should
become familiar with it as soon as possible. It is
quite clear that users of the old site will
progressively be forced to use the new version of the
site as I will be more and more confident in PHPNuke
(the system on which it is based).

Please let me know what you think about it; I
appreciate the feedback.
If you really want to please me, come and give me your
feedback in the General discussion Forum of the site
at
http://phpnuke.loriaux.com/modules.php?name=Forumsfile=viewforumf=1

Also remember that I'm always looking for SPONSORS to
improve things; so do not hesitate to contact me if
you think my site is valuable. The next project would
be free hosting and online office for mainframers.



=
Best regards,
Loriaux.com System/390 home page,  http://www.loriaux.com
Visit the new site at http://postnuke.loriaux.com !

Become a sponsor of this site ! It is a LOT CHEAPER than you would expect !
Our current sponsor : Software Diversified Services 
(http://www.sdsusa.com/fm-lori-bnr.htm)

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Re: appropriate value of LOAD AVERAGE

2005-01-27 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:35:59 +0900, Tomoyuki Yatsunami
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 I thought so, too.
 However somewhat this value is around 12 on the client's system.
 I read that when you submit a vmstat command, then [cpu us] value
 sometimes could contain other Linux Guest OS's operation, so vmstat is not
 really helpful for performance monitoring. I just wander and want to know
 could this be true to uptime too?

I think you are confusing a few things. When Linux reports that it is
idle and is not using CPU cycles (e.g. in sar or vmstat) then that is
true. But since you are monitoring the Linux server with tools running
on the Linux server, there is a small amount of work and you may spot
a process in queue now and then. But the average number of processes
running will be close to 0.

When you have multiple Linux guests on z/VM that all have work to do
and compete for the few real CPU's that you have installed, then that
is going to confuse the meters on Linux. Basically Linux will notice
that it took a minute (wall clock time) to get the work done, so it
assumes that it has been using the CPU for that minute, and reports
accordingly. In reality z/VM has decided during that minute to run
other virtual machines instead of yours. The Linux reports could be
orders of magnitude wrong when reporting how much CPU cycles was used
for some task.

From what I understand uptime reports the average number of processes
inside this single Linux guest competing for CPU resources. Some of
these processes come from interaction with end-users or requests via
the network. If there is heavy competition for the CPU on z/VM level
then these processes in Linux will take longer to complete, so you
would see more processes queue up inside Linux as well (provided at
least some work does get done in Linux to start those processes in the
first place).

You can even observe this during startup where Linux runs a short loop
to measure the CPU speed. If you boot Linux on a busy day you may get
much lower Bogomips rating than when you boot Linux on an empty z/VM
system.

Now z/VM does knows the real numbers and knows how much CPU resources
the Linux virtual machine really got when it thought it was using a
full engine. ESALPS takes the detailed per-process measurements from
Linux and corrects that with the meters from z/VM. This gets you much
closer to true numbers that can be compared among systems.

Rob
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Re: SuSE Installation Server

2005-01-27 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Ismael,

 I did have to change one little thing: blanked out
 the \t from the files yast/instorder; yast/order.
Yup, got it. Thanks.

 I was able to successfully install a base SLES9 on z/VM .
Great!

Mike MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED]   (845) 433-7061

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Re: Debian Sarge on 7060 H30 LPAR

2005-01-27 Thread Richard Pinion
I'll give that a try, thanks!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/05 05:20PM 
On Jan 26, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Richard Pinion wrote:

 Yes, I think it is finding the card because it asks me to verify the
 CTC devices addresses of B30-B31.  I am unable to perform any actions
 from the console because of the install script.  It keeps asking me
 for the country and mirror site.  How can I stop the install script
 and get back to a command prompt, change the parmfile??

Well, after it's done that--before you tell it country and mirror--can
you ping it from your desktop?  That will tell you whether the network
config succeeded.  You may also need to set your MTU to 1492 since the
OS/2 LCS emulation eats 8 bytes.

I'm not entirely sure I remember this right, but I think if you add

debconf/priority=low

to the parmfile you boot with, you will get all manner of really
obnoxious questions (incl. MTU) that are normally hidden from you and
defaults assumed.

Adam

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Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Paul Hyatt
Hello All,

The results of the unofficial polling regarding SUSE vs RedHat are as 
follows :

75% SUSE
6.25 %  RedHat
18.75 % Debian

Please bear in mind that in tallying the results, I only counted zSeries 
installations.

Regards,

Paul

Paul A. Hyatt
Sr. Systems Programmer
Colonial Bank, NA
250 Commerce Street
Montgomery, AL 36104

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Ferguson, Neale
How many responses?

-Original Message-
The results of the unofficial polling regarding SUSE vs RedHat are as 
follows :

75% SUSE
6.25 %  RedHat
18.75 % Debian

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Ferguson, Neale wrote:
How many responses?
Based on the breakdown I'm guessing 16.  Which gives us 12 SuSE, 3
Debian, and one RH.
Adam
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Re: Any caveats moving root filesystem to LVM?

2005-01-27 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:40 PM, David Boyes wrote:
What I use is:
1) / as ext2 or ext3 (depending on distribution and platform -- usually
ext2 on zSeries)
2) all other filesystems as ext3
3) if a file system needs to be bigger than a physical volume, then use
LVM and create ext3 filesystems on the logical volumes created by LVM.
That works on pretty-much all flavors of Linux and all platforms, and
if
something goes horribly wrong, then diagnostics are pretty
straightforward, and I can usually get the systems up to the point that
you can at least try to fix things w/o a rescue system.
In general, I agree with David, with the following addenda:
Sometimes it's nice to separate /boot out into its own partition,
holding basically the kernel, the initrd (if applicable), and the IPL
code at the start of the partition.  This can easily be ext2 because
it's only 20-30 MB, usually (depending on how many old kernel versions
you want to keep) and therefore is very quick to check.
Also, some people have reported success with ReiserFS on LVM
partitions.  ReiserFS is great if you have lots of little files.
However, we encountered a situation where we got nasty data corruption
with it under extremely heavy load.  I do not know if this has been
fixed in more recent versions of it, but it was enough to scare me off
ReiserFS on S/390.  Ext3 is not great performance but it is very
reliable and has what I think is a great advantage that an ext3 fs is
an ext2 fs plus stuff, so you can work with it, if you need to, as if
it were an ext2 filesystem, which makes recovery somewhat easier (not
nearly as easy, of course, as having decent backups in the first
place!).
Adam
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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Post, Mark K
Rats.  I thought Slack/390 would show up on there somewhere.  :(   Sigh.


Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
Hyatt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:17 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Poll Results


Hello All,

The results of the unofficial polling regarding SUSE vs RedHat are
as follows :

75% SUSE
6.25 %  RedHat
18.75 % Debian

Please bear in mind that in tallying the results, I only counted zSeries
installations.

Regards,

Paul

Paul A. Hyatt
Sr. Systems Programmer
Colonial Bank, NA
250 Commerce Street
Montgomery, AL 36104


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Re: Having 1 linux kernel

2005-01-27 Thread Dave Jones
There have been some very good ideas posted here on the hows and whys of
having a shared Linux kernel.
Some caveats, however:
1) the example Rexx code to create and save a Linux kernel in a NSS only
works for 2.4.x level kernels, in 31-bit mode. It does not work with the
newer 2.6.x level kernels at all.
2) The same with the basevol/guestvol approach for sharing DASD r/o. It
only works with the 2.4.x level distributions and not the 2.6.x level
ones, due to differences in how /dev/dasd is handled.
Linux needs the ability to save itself into a NSS the same way CMS and
GCS know how to save themselves (i.e., IPL 190 CLEAR PARM SAVESYS
CMS...) I think that there's an effort underway inside IBM do add this
functionality to the kernel and get it accepted into the standard source
code tree.
DJ
Mrohs, Ray wrote:
Kernel sharing would be a nice-to-have feature. There just seem to be a lot of
issues surrounding it's implementation. They involve extensive bootup
customizations, r/o and r/w switching, and non-standard manipulations of file
systems. Ask five people how to do it and you will get five different solutions.
Some are really elegant but they look difficult to undo if your needs change, or
if part of your penguin farm has to stay back-level for compatibility reasons.
But there needs to be a standardized, supportable way to do this to allow
everyone to leverage this important advantage.
For now, the real beauty of Linux on VM, which I saw from the very beginning, is
the ability to quickly restore your production environment at the DR location.
Put another way, which would you rather recover: 100 1U servers with their
disks/SAN(s) and network infrastructure, or 1 or 2 mainframe partitions?
Ray Mrohs
Energy Information Administration
U.S. Department of Energy
-Original Message-
From: Noll, Ralph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:00 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Having 1 linux kernel
That's ok...
Don't mind each linux guest having r/w to /usr/opt
Just want 1 place to upgrade the kernel...
If not might as well have 1u servers.
Ralph
-Original Message-
From: Adam Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:34 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Having 1 linux kernel
On Jan 26, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Noll, Ralph wrote:

Is there any doc on setting up 1 linux kernel and all linux guests
booting from That 1 kernel...
Right now I have 8 linux guests all with separate boot disks...
Be nice to have just one..
You can put the kernel in NSS and then everyone can IPL that shared
segment, but that doesn't really get you around needing some per-machine
unique r/w DASD.  Although with a shared kernel in NSS and smart use of
basevol/guestvol, you could probably get a system with minimal writeable
DASD.
http://www.vm.ibm.com/linux/linuxnss.html tells you how to do the NSS
trick.  Ignore the 64M is recommended bit; I've done it successfully
in 12M.  Do it in the smallest size you're ever going to want to run
with.
Adam
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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Richard Pinion
Hey I'm using it!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/27/05 11:12AM 
Rats.  I thought Slack/390 would show up on there somewhere.  :(   Sigh.


Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
Hyatt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:17 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 
Subject: Poll Results


Hello All,

The results of the unofficial polling regarding SUSE vs RedHat are
as follows :

75% SUSE
6.25 %  RedHat
18.75 % Debian

Please bear in mind that in tallying the results, I only counted zSeries
installations.

Regards,

Paul

Paul A. Hyatt
Sr. Systems Programmer
Colonial Bank, NA
250 Commerce Street
Montgomery, AL 36104


(334) 240-6195
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Re: Having 1 linux kernel

2005-01-27 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:17:27 -0600, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Linux needs the ability to save itself into a NSS the same way CMS and
 GCS know how to save themselves (i.e., IPL 190 CLEAR PARM SAVESYS
 CMS...) I think that there's an effort underway inside IBM do add this

Be specific in what you're asking for. In my terminology the thing you
describe here is that it allows the systems programmer to save the NSS
when he decides is the time to do.

The phrase to save itself may be taken differently by some people
with other background. It might mean define a Linux server with CP
class E and let root write a '1' into a /proc entry that makes the
Linux kernel / driver issue the CP commands to define the segment and
save it. So that means it is done while the network is still up, and
possibly without checking whether there still area a lot of pending
purge segments filling up spool...

Sometimes it makes me sleep better when we don't have wind from the East... ;-)

Rob
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Re: appropriate value of LOAD AVERAGE

2005-01-27 Thread Fargusson.Alan
An uptime of 1 to 2 indicates that you have something running in a loop.  You 
(Bshould use the Linux top command, or the ps command, to find it.
(B
(B-Original Message-
(BFrom: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tomoyuki Yatsunami
(BSent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:36 PM
(BTo: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
(BSubject: Re: appropriate value of "LOAD AVERAGE"
(B
(B
(B--- Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B
(B   My client asked me what is the appropriate value of "LOAD AVERAGE"
(Bvalue when the system is IDLE. (well i think he meant idle "NO MIDDLEWARE
(B(and some DBs) RUNNING")
(B
(B The answer is 0.  :-)
(B
(BI thought so, too.
(BHowever somewhat this value is around 1$B!A(J2 on the client's system.
(BI read that when you submit a "vmstat" command, then [cpu us] value
(Bsometimes could contain other Linux Guest OS's operation, so vmstat is not
(Breally helpful for performance monitoring. I just wander and want to know
(Bcould this be true to "uptime" too?
(B
(B
(BTomoyuki Yatsunami,
(BTokyo, Japan,
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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Paul Hyatt
Very good !

-Paul

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Thornton
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:28 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Poll Results


On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Ferguson, Neale wrote:

 How many responses?

Based on the breakdown I'm guessing 16.  Which gives us 12 SuSE, 3
Debian, and one RH.

Adam

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Paul Hyatt
Nope - nothing fell into the other bucket

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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Post, Mark K
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:13 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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Rats.  I thought Slack/390 would show up on there somewhere.  :(   Sigh.


Mark Post

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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Paul Hyatt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:17 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Poll Results


Hello All,

The results of the unofficial polling regarding SUSE vs RedHat
are as follows :

75% SUSE
6.25 %  RedHat
18.75 % Debian

Please bear in mind that in tallying the results, I only counted zSeries
installations.

Regards,

Paul

Paul A. Hyatt
Sr. Systems Programmer
Colonial Bank, NA
250 Commerce Street
Montgomery, AL 36104


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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Seader, Cameron
I run SuSE 

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Nope - nothing fell into the other bucket

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Rats.  I thought Slack/390 would show up on there somewhere.  :(   Sigh.


Mark Post

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Hello All,

The results of the unofficial polling regarding SUSE vs RedHat
are as follows :

75% SUSE
6.25 %  RedHat
18.75 % Debian

Please bear in mind that in tallying the results, I only counted zSeries
installations.

Regards,

Paul

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Re-label a disk

2005-01-27 Thread Dave Czajkowski
Cloning question. Can I change the label on a CDL formatted disk?  Are
there any implications to eck3, reiser, swap or lvm?  Is there a Linux tool
I should use or can I get by with a ickdsf cpvol label command?



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EVMS question for FCP device

2005-01-27 Thread Wiggins, Mark
I've been trying to get a multipath FCP device attach to my SLES9
instance on z/VM 5.1. I feel as though I've followed the directions
(Redbook 6344 - Chap. 9, Multipath FCP on SuSE SLES9) but I end up
getting either a broken pipe error when trying to mount it from
EVMSGUI and I get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
/dev/evms/md/md0, or too many mounted file systems when I try to mount
it on linux. Quickly, let me go through the steps and see if anyone can
see where I've went wrong.
 
ATT A210 to LINUX1 in VM (both are defined as TYPE=FCP).
ATT A310 to LINUX1 in VM
 
From YAST, HARDWARE, ZFCP, ADD 
0.0.a210WWPN1LUN 502f
0.0.a310WWPN2LUN 502f
The WWPN's are different but the LUN's are the same. These are
defined correctly, because I've been able to use each path individual,
just not as multipath.
 
Then from EVMSGUI
- add DOS segment manager to a210
- select freespace object and create segment for a210
- create region MD Multipath Region Manager and select a210 and a310
- I skip the RAID0 part because I've only got 1 LUN
- create compatability volume
- Make filesystem (ReiserFS)
- Of course I've saved after each step as directed
- chkconfig evms.boot on
 
Actually, it will mount if I use EXT3 instead of ReiserFS, but I can
only get it to mount read-only. With ReiserFS it won't mount at all.
In my searching I did notice suggestions of applying BD-Claim Patch,
which sounds like it might resolve my problem. In addition to that, is
this possibly fixed with SP1? I noticed a section in there stating *
Added patches for OES to EVMS., just wondering if that would help.
 
 
Mark Wiggins
University of Connecticut
Operating Systems Programmer
860-486-2792
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Noll, Ralph
So is there just not that many people on the list or not that many
running linux on 390???

Ralph 

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Very good !

-Paul

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On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Ferguson, Neale wrote:

 How many responses?

Based on the breakdown I'm guessing 16.  Which gives us 12 SuSE, 3
Debian, and one RH.

Adam

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Re: EVMS question for FCP device

2005-01-27 Thread Ledbetter, Scott E
This probably won't make you feel much better, but I messed with exactly the
same thing off and on for about a week, and finally gave up.  I saw
identical symptoms.  I'm hoping SP1 fixes it, too.  If it doesn't, I'll have
to dig deeper.

Scott Ledbetter
StorageTek

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:40 AM
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Subject: EVMS question for FCP device


I've been trying to get a multipath FCP device attach to my SLES9 instance
on z/VM 5.1. I feel as though I've followed the directions (Redbook 6344 -
Chap. 9, Multipath FCP on SuSE SLES9) but I end up getting either a broken
pipe error when trying to mount it from EVMSGUI and I get wrong fs type,
bad option, bad superblock on /dev/evms/md/md0, or too many mounted file
systems when I try to mount it on linux. Quickly, let me go through the
steps and see if anyone can see where I've went wrong.

ATT A210 to LINUX1 in VM (both are defined as TYPE=FCP).
ATT A310 to LINUX1 in VM

From YAST, HARDWARE, ZFCP, ADD
0.0.a210WWPN1LUN 502f
0.0.a310WWPN2LUN 502f
The WWPN's are different but the LUN's are the same. These are defined
correctly, because I've been able to use each path individual, just not as
multipath.

Then from EVMSGUI
- add DOS segment manager to a210
- select freespace object and create segment for a210
- create region MD Multipath Region Manager and select a210 and a310
- I skip the RAID0 part because I've only got 1 LUN
- create compatability volume
- Make filesystem (ReiserFS)
- Of course I've saved after each step as directed
- chkconfig evms.boot on

Actually, it will mount if I use EXT3 instead of ReiserFS, but I can only
get it to mount read-only. With ReiserFS it won't mount at all. In my
searching I did notice suggestions of applying BD-Claim Patch, which sounds
like it might resolve my problem. In addition to that, is this possibly
fixed with SP1? I noticed a section in there stating * Added patches for
OES to EVMS., just wondering if that would help.


Mark Wiggins
University of Connecticut
Operating Systems Programmer
860-486-2792






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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
I'd guess there's lots of people on the list, and lots of people running Linux 
on S/390, but not many responded to the poll.  I know I didn't.

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 To:   LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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 So is there just not that many people on the list or not that many
 running linux on 390???
 
 Ralph 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:43 AM
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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 Very good !
 
 -Paul
 
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 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:28 AM
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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 On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Ferguson, Neale wrote:
 
  How many responses?
 
 Based on the breakdown I'm guessing 16.  Which gives us 12 SuSE, 3
 Debian, and one RH.
 
 Adam
 
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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Tom Shilson
Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/27/2005 12:44:47
PM:

 So is there just not that many people on the list or not that many
 running linux on 390???

 Ralph

Or not that many responded to the survey?

tom
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Re: SuSE Installation Server

2005-01-27 Thread Peter E. Abresch Jr. - at Pepco
I am getting ready to attempt to install SLES9 under z/VM as well. The
procedure mentioned in  http://mikemacisaac.com/configureNFS.pdf describes
a script called mksles9root. Does anyone have this in electronic format
that I can download?

Also, the statement I did have to change one
little thing: blanked out the \t from the files yast/instorder;
yast/order.. What does this mean or will it become more obvious once I
get started.?Thank you for any infomation anyone can provide.

Peter





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Mike,

The procedure you provided ( http://mikemacisaac.com/configureNFS.pdf )
for
setting up a linux install server worked well.  I did have to change one
little thing: blanked out the \t from the files yast/instorder;
yast/order.

So with the prepared linux (desktop) install server, I was able to
successfully install a base SLES9 on z/VM .

For SP1 upgrade, I used the following procedure:

In the Install server:
1) download SP1 iso images for CD1, CD2
2) mount loop iso images to tmp dir
3) created diretory: /sles9-s3900-sp1/CD1, /sles9-s3900-sp1/CD2
4) copied iso files from tmp to above directories
5) using yast, NFS export /sles9-s3900-sp1

In target Image:
1) register new install source:
   -yast
software / Change source of Installation
add:
 install_server / sles9-s3900-sp1/CD1  (CD1 only, CD2 not reqd)
 move to top of list
 2) do the upgrade:
- yast
  software / system update
  (take all defaults)
 3) re-boot
==

So the upgrade appears to have worked.
Question: How can I tell that my system is sles9 SP1 ?


Uname -a :
Linux lnxtest4 2.6.5-7.139-s390 #1 SMP Fri Jan 14 15:41:33 UTC 2005 s390
s390 s390 GNU/Linux

Ismael

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Ismael,

 How do I integrate the recently released SLES9 SP1
yast - software - Patch CD update

It's documented (for SLES8 and SP3 at least) in the zDomino redbook:
SG24-7021.

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Re: Re-label a disk

2005-01-27 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:16:18 -0700, Dave Czajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cloning question. Can I change the label on a CDL formatted disk?  Are
 there any implications to eck3, reiser, swap or lvm?  Is there a Linux tool
 I should use or can I get by with a ickdsf cpvol label command?

So many questions...  I assume you talk about mini disks? Why would
you want to change the volser? With full pack or dedicated disks I can
imagine you would..

fdisk has an option to change the volser. That does not affect the
way Linux deals with it (but I am less sure about devfs and Linux
2.6). You can not do it with ICKDSF because the volser is also in the
dataset names that Linux puts in the VTOC to hold the partitions.

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jan 27, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Noll, Ralph wrote:
So is there just not that many people on the list or not that many
running linux on 390???
Well, both.
A lot of the people on the list that I know run L/390 didn't answer; I
know there are more than 16 sites here.
But in terms of absolute numbers, the number of people running Linux on
390/zSeries is very small compared to x86, and probably very small
compared to PPC (particularly when you include all the wacky things
that are really PPCs under the hood, like the GameCube).  On the other
hand, it's probably larger than, say, hppa or 680x0
Adam
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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Post, Mark K
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1,514 at last count (1/1/2005).  Not very many people ever respond to polls.


Mark Post

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Ralph
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:45 PM
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So is there just not that many people on the list or not that many running
linux on 390???

Ralph

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Very good !

-Paul

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On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Ferguson, Neale wrote:

 How many responses?

Based on the breakdown I'm guessing 16.  Which gives us 12 SuSE, 3 Debian,
and one RH.

Adam

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Re: SuSE Installation Server

2005-01-27 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Peter,

I put it up on http://mikemacisaac.com/mksles9root

I replaced the \t with two spaces in two places in mk_symbolic_links
function as suggested by Ismael. I'll be honest - I haven't tested the
change (I will eventually get to that), but somehow I get the feeling it
will work either way.  Let me know.

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Re: EVMS question for FCP device

2005-01-27 Thread Robert J Brenneman
Try mounting /dev/evms/md/md0 with the barrier option turned off.

for reiser like this:  mount /dev/evms/md/md0 /somewhere -o barrier=none

for ext3 like this: mount /dev/evms/md/md0 /somewhere -o barrier=0

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I've been trying to get a multipath FCP device attach to my SLES9
instance on z/VM 5.1. I feel as though I've followed the directions
(Redbook 6344 - Chap. 9, Multipath FCP on SuSE SLES9) but I end up
getting either a broken pipe error when trying to mount it from
EVMSGUI and I get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
/dev/evms/md/md0, or too many mounted file systems when I try to mount
it on linux. Quickly, let me go through the steps and see if anyone can
see where I've went wrong.

ATT A210 to LINUX1 in VM (both are defined as TYPE=FCP).
ATT A310 to LINUX1 in VM

From YAST, HARDWARE, ZFCP, ADD
0.0.a210WWPN1LUN 502f
0.0.a310WWPN2LUN 502f
The WWPN's are different but the LUN's are the same. These are
defined correctly, because I've been able to use each path individual,
just not as multipath.

Then from EVMSGUI
- add DOS segment manager to a210
- select freespace object and create segment for a210
- create region MD Multipath Region Manager and select a210 and a310
- I skip the RAID0 part because I've only got 1 LUN
- create compatability volume
- Make filesystem (ReiserFS)
- Of course I've saved after each step as directed
- chkconfig evms.boot on

Actually, it will mount if I use EXT3 instead of ReiserFS, but I can
only get it to mount read-only. With ReiserFS it won't mount at all.
In my searching I did notice suggestions of applying BD-Claim Patch,
which sounds like it might resolve my problem. In addition to that, is
this possibly fixed with SP1? I noticed a section in there stating *
Added patches for OES to EVMS., just wondering if that would help.


Mark Wiggins
University of Connecticut
Operating Systems Programmer
860-486-2792






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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Steven C Peckham
Well, he only asked for SuSE and RH on Z boxes ... so since I am a Debian
user on a G6,
 I did not qualify to be able respond.




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I'd guess there's lots of people on the list, and lots of people running
Linux on S/390, but not many responded to the poll.  I know I didn't.

The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and
write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. --Alvin Toffler
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 Sent:  Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:44 AM
 To:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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 So is there just not that many people on the list or not that many
 running linux on 390???

 Ralph

 -Original Message-
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 Very good !

 -Paul

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 On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Ferguson, Neale wrote:

  How many responses?

 Based on the breakdown I'm guessing 16.  Which gives us 12 SuSE, 3
 Debian, and one RH.

 Adam

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Re: SuSE Installation Server

2005-01-27 Thread Ifurung, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter,

I literally cut  paste Mike's script from the PDF file; I run the script;
attempted an install and got an error -- I forgot the message.  I looked at
those files and the \t wasn't translated to a tab. Edited those files and
it all worked.

Good luck.

Ismael



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I am getting ready to attempt to install SLES9 under z/VM as well. The
procedure mentioned in  http://mikemacisaac.com/configureNFS.pdf describes
a script called mksles9root. Does anyone have this in electronic format
that I can download?

Also, the statement I did have to change one
little thing: blanked out the \t from the files yast/instorder;
yast/order.. What does this mean or will it become more obvious once I
get started.?Thank you for any infomation anyone can provide.

Peter





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Mike,

The procedure you provided ( http://mikemacisaac.com/configureNFS.pdf )
for
setting up a linux install server worked well.  I did have to change one
little thing: blanked out the \t from the files yast/instorder;
yast/order.

So with the prepared linux (desktop) install server, I was able to
successfully install a base SLES9 on z/VM .

For SP1 upgrade, I used the following procedure:

In the Install server:
1) download SP1 iso images for CD1, CD2
2) mount loop iso images to tmp dir
3) created diretory: /sles9-s3900-sp1/CD1, /sles9-s3900-sp1/CD2
4) copied iso files from tmp to above directories
5) using yast, NFS export /sles9-s3900-sp1

In target Image:
1) register new install source:
   -yast
software / Change source of Installation
add:
 install_server / sles9-s3900-sp1/CD1  (CD1 only, CD2 not reqd)
 move to top of list
 2) do the upgrade:
- yast
  software / system update
  (take all defaults)
 3) re-boot
==

So the upgrade appears to have worked.
Question: How can I tell that my system is sles9 SP1 ?


Uname -a :
Linux lnxtest4 2.6.5-7.139-s390 #1 SMP Fri Jan 14 15:41:33 UTC 2005 s390
s390 s390 GNU/Linux

Ismael

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Ismael,

 How do I integrate the recently released SLES9 SP1
yast - software - Patch CD update

It's documented (for SLES8 and SP3 at least) in the zDomino redbook:
SG24-7021.

Mike MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED]   (845) 433-7061

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jan 27, 2005, at 2:38 PM, Steven C Peckham wrote:
Well, he only asked for SuSE and RH on Z boxes ... so since I am a
Debian
user on a G6,
 I did not qualify to be able respond.
So that's the answer for Mark Post: there probably are Slackware users,
it's just that they're better behaved than Debian users (except for
Steven) and don't answer questions for which they don't meet the
pre-reqs.  Us Debianites are an unruly crowd on the whole, I guess.
Adam
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Re: [Possible Spam] Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Ward, Garry
Maybe he should rephrase the question and ask it again. Maybe something
like anyone who is using any Linux variant on any platform that also
supports the s/390 instruction set? 

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On Jan 27, 2005, at 2:38 PM, Steven C Peckham wrote:

 Well, he only asked for SuSE and RH on Z boxes ... so since I am a 
 Debian user on a G6,  I did not qualify to be able respond.

So that's the answer for Mark Post: there probably are Slackware users,
it's just that they're better behaved than Debian users (except for
Steven) and don't answer questions for which they don't meet the
pre-reqs.  Us Debianites are an unruly crowd on the whole, I guess.

Adam

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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Crispin Hugo
Must have missed this. We run Redhat and Suse on zseries. Well at least we
try.



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Re: EVMS question for FCP device

2005-01-27 Thread Wiggins, Mark
Thank you, that worked. I saw that reply earlier but when I searched the
logs I couldn't find it. This would also suggest that this is fixed with
SP1 then.

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Try mounting /dev/evms/md/md0 with the barrier option turned off.

for reiser like this:  mount /dev/evms/md/md0 /somewhere -o
barrier=none

for ext3 like this: mount /dev/evms/md/md0 /somewhere -o barrier=0

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I've been trying to get a multipath FCP device attach to my SLES9
instance on z/VM 5.1. I feel as though I've followed the directions
(Redbook 6344 - Chap. 9, Multipath FCP on SuSE SLES9) but I end up
getting either a broken pipe error when trying to mount it from
EVMSGUI and I get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
/dev/evms/md/md0, or too many mounted file systems when I try to mount
it on linux. Quickly, let me go through the steps and see if anyone can
see where I've went wrong.

ATT A210 to LINUX1 in VM (both are defined as TYPE=FCP).
ATT A310 to LINUX1 in VM

From YAST, HARDWARE, ZFCP, ADD
0.0.a210WWPN1LUN 502f
0.0.a310WWPN2LUN 502f
The WWPN's are different but the LUN's are the same. These are
defined correctly, because I've been able to use each path individual,
just not as multipath.

Then from EVMSGUI
- add DOS segment manager to a210
- select freespace object and create segment for a210
- create region MD Multipath Region Manager and select a210 and a310
- I skip the RAID0 part because I've only got 1 LUN
- create compatability volume
- Make filesystem (ReiserFS)
- Of course I've saved after each step as directed
- chkconfig evms.boot on

Actually, it will mount if I use EXT3 instead of ReiserFS, but I can
only get it to mount read-only. With ReiserFS it won't mount at all.
In my searching I did notice suggestions of applying BD-Claim Patch,
which sounds like it might resolve my problem. In addition to that, is
this possibly fixed with SP1? I noticed a section in there stating *
Added patches for OES to EVMS., just wondering if that would help.


Mark Wiggins
University of Connecticut
Operating Systems Programmer
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SLES 9 and raw devices

2005-01-27 Thread Betsie Spann
Hi
I'm trying to find out if anyone has successfully accessed raw devices
in SLES9.  We're on kernel 2.6.5-7.139  (SP1).  The error I get is
Cannot open master raw device '/dev/rawctl
/etc/modprobe.conf has the entry 'alias char-major-162 raw'
Betsie
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Re: Poll Results

2005-01-27 Thread Aristarc Diez Redorta
We're running SUSE both in z890 and G6.
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Re: Re-label a disk

2005-01-27 Thread Volker Sameske
Sure you can:

# dasdview -j /dev/dasdb
LINUX1
# fdasd /dev/dasdb
...
Command action
   ...
   v   change volume serial
   ...

Command (m for help): v
Please specify the new volume serial (6 characters).
(Press ENTER if you do not want to change it)

current: LINUX1
new: test99

volume identifier changed to 'TEST99'

Command (m for help): w
writing volume label...
writing VTOC...
rereading partition table...
# dasdview -j /dev/dasdb
TEST99

And make sure not to change the partition table, otherwise you will get rid
of your data :)

regards,
Volker

Linux on zSeries Development
Tel.: +49-(0)7031-16-2019
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 Cloning question. Can I change the label on a CDL formatted disk?  Are
 there any implications to eck3, reiser, swap or lvm?  Is there a Linux
tool
 I should use or can I get by with a ickdsf cpvol label command?

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