Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-07 Thread Brad Hinson
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 07:19 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
 Massimiliano Belardi wrote:
  Hi Guys,
 does anybody know if Fedora-DS is included on RedHat for Linux
  distribution? Anybody tryied to compile it from source to System z
  platform?
  Thanks
  Max

 I did a bit of digging around, and concluded that when it's released for
 RHEL it will be Red Hat Directory Server.

 I also concluded that releases are distressingly infrequent:-(

 Perhaps if some here joined a list and started asking questions about DS
 on Z, it would inspire some more interest.


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Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Massimiliano Belardi

Hi Guys,
   does anybody know if Fedora-DS is included on RedHat for Linux
distribution? Anybody tryied to compile it from source to System z platform?
Thanks
Max

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Mark Post
 On Thu, Sep 6, 2007 at  6:05 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Massimiliano Belardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hi Guys,
 does anybody know if Fedora-DS is included on RedHat for Linux
 distribution? Anybody tryied to compile it from source to System z platform?

What is it?  If the package name contains the string fed then I didn't see it 
on the RHEL5 DVD.


Mark Post

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Tom Shilson
Fedora-DS is Fedora Directory Server, an open-source LDAP server.  That is
all I know.

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Max Belardi

Mark Post ha scritto:

On Thu, Sep 6, 2007 at  6:05 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],


Massimiliano Belardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Guys,
does anybody know if Fedora-DS is included on RedHat for Linux
distribution? Anybody tryied to compile it from source to System z platform?



What is it?  If the package name contains the string fed then I didn't see it 
on the RHEL5 DVD.


Mark Post

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Is the Directory Server...
http://directory.fedoraproject.org/

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread David Boyes
  What is it?  If the package name contains the string fed then I
didn't
 see it on the RHEL5 DVD.

http://www.directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Documentation

It does build cleanly from source on RHEL5 (although it takes a
gawd-awful amount of CPU to do it -- *definitely* don't do this during
the day if you don't have CPU to burn). 

As to what it does, it's basically an integrated LDAP server that makes
things like replicating from Active Directory and gives you Linux based
management tools for the environment, so the Linux and Windows
environment can get along better. The tools are still a bit flaky in
places, but it's got lots of docs and seems to work OK. 

At some point, it'd probably be worth creating an appliance out of this
thing as an integration point to ease transition to Linux-based
environments. 

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Mark Post
 On Thu, Sep 6, 2007 at 10:24 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom
Shilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Fedora-DS is Fedora Directory Server, an open-source LDAP server.  That is
 all I know.

Tom, Thanks.  I found the package on the Fedora download page.  The name starts 
with fedora-ds so it doesn't seem to be on RHEL5.  I tried to build it from 
source on one of my Slack/390 systems, but it wanted at least one package I 
don't build, which is the Mozilla LDAP SDK.  So, I can't say if it will build 
cleanly on s390/s390x or not.


Mark Post

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Adam Thornton

On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Tom Shilson wrote:


Fedora-DS is Fedora Directory Server, an open-source LDAP server.
That is
all I know.


If it's not, OpenLDAP is certainly available and works quite well.

Adam

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread McKown, John
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 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of David Boyes
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:57 AM
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
 Subject: Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z
 
 
   What is it?  If the package name contains the string fed then I
 didn't
  see it on the RHEL5 DVD.
 
 http://www.directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Documentation
 
 It does build cleanly from source on RHEL5 (although it takes a
 gawd-awful amount of CPU to do it -- *definitely* don't do this during
 the day if you don't have CPU to burn). 
 
 As to what it does, it's basically an integrated LDAP server 
 that makes
 things like replicating from Active Directory and gives you 
 Linux based
 management tools for the environment, so the Linux and Windows
 environment can get along better. The tools are still a bit flaky in
 places, but it's got lots of docs and seems to work OK. 
 
 At some point, it'd probably be worth creating an appliance 
 out of this
 thing as an integration point to ease transition to Linux-based
 environments. 
 

Would this be a case for having a z/Linux hosted on Hercules/390 on a
x86 platform? I don't see the need for the reliability and scalability
for this sort of thing. This test environment could be accessable via
NFS or some other method to actually copy compiled modules to the real
System z environment. Of course, it would not be useful for actual
system level testing, but for just compiling and initial testing, it
might be useful.

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Mark Post
 On Thu, Sep 6, 2007 at 10:56 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], David
Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
-snip-
 http://www.directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Documentation
 
 It does build cleanly from source on RHEL5 (although it takes a
 gawd-awful amount of CPU to do it -- *definitely* don't do this during
 the day if you don't have CPU to burn). 

I suspect that's because this is the rebranding of the Netscape Directory 
Server that Red Hat bought so many moons ago.  (Hence the reliance on so many 
thinks like nspr, nss, Mozilla  LDAP SDK, etc.)  As one who's built 
Netscape/Mozilla packages any number of times, I can tell you they _all_ suck 
CPU horribly.


Mark Post

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Mark Post
 On Thu, Sep 6, 2007 at 12:32 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], McKown,
John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
-snip-
 Would this be a case for having a z/Linux hosted on Hercules/390 on a
 x86 platform? I don't see the need for the reliability and scalability
 for this sort of thing. This test environment could be accessable via
 NFS or some other method to actually copy compiled modules to the real
 System z environment. Of course, it would not be useful for actual
 system level testing, but for just compiling and initial testing, it
 might be useful.

I would say no.  It would be far better to do cross-compiles, rather than 
emulating an entire architecure to do native compiles.


Mark Post

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread David Boyes
 Would this be a case for having a z/Linux hosted on Hercules/390 on a
 x86 platform? I don't see the need for the reliability and scalability
 for this sort of thing. 

I would say that something like a Fedora-DS appliance probably isn't the
place you'd make that argument. If you're going to do something like
that involving any Intel system, you should skip the 390 emulation and
just do it directly on the Intel system. Directory servers are usually
high-utilization boxes, particularly busy ones that also host the
database back end. 

Wrt to using Herc on Intel boxes as a compile farm, again, just use the
cross-compilation tools that are already in gcc and run it native. Gcc
has the capability to generate object code for any architecture it
supports (provided you have the right libraries and header files
available) as part of the basic structure of the compiler. You don't
need to emulate the entire environment if you're just going to build
modules (and it's a lot faster that way). 

 Of course, it would not be useful for actual
 system level testing, but for just compiling and initial testing, it
 might be useful.

For general experimentation, maybe. Otherwise, get z/VM. It's a more
effective way to do testing, and you can just go and deploy it via DDR
once you're done. 

Now, if we're convincing IBM to license VM on Herc, that's a different
story...8-)

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread David Boyes
 I suspect that's because this is the rebranding of the Netscape
Directory
 Server that Red Hat bought so many moons ago.  

Ah. Yes, that would explain the distinct odor of frying bacon from the
machine room. 

Playing with it, it's actually kind of nice -- the UI is something that
could be loosed on an unwary Windows admin without a lot of
re-education. Goes well with our clustered MySQL appliance with a little
tinkering. 

- db

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Evans, Kevin R
Boy, I haven't heard it called a machine room for eons. You are
showing your age here, David.

G

Kevin

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David Boyes
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Subject: Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

 I suspect that's because this is the rebranding of the Netscape
Directory
 Server that Red Hat bought so many moons ago.

Ah. Yes, that would explain the distinct odor of frying bacon from the
machine room.

Playing with it, it's actually kind of nice -- the UI is something that
could be loosed on an unwary Windows admin without a lot of
re-education. Goes well with our clustered MySQL appliance with a little
tinkering.

- db

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread David Boyes
 Boy, I haven't heard it called a machine room for eons. You are
 showing your age here, David.
 G

Vintage, laddie, vintage. 

I *improve* with age, particularly when influenced by bottles... 8-)

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread Evans, Kevin R
Believe me, I speak vintage also g

K

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 Boy, I haven't heard it called a machine room for eons. You are
 showing your age here, David.
 G

Vintage, laddie, vintage.

I *improve* with age, particularly when influenced by bottles... 8-)

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Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z

2007-09-06 Thread John Summerfield

Massimiliano Belardi wrote:

Hi Guys,
   does anybody know if Fedora-DS is included on RedHat for Linux
distribution? Anybody tryied to compile it from source to System z
platform?
Thanks
Max


I did a bit of digging around, and concluded that when it's released for
RHEL it will be Red Hat Directory Server.

I also concluded that releases are distressingly infrequent:-(

Perhaps if some here joined a list and started asking questions about DS
on Z, it would inspire some more interest.


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