Re: GNOME

[John Summerfield]

Thang Pham wrote:

Yes, it was a firewall problem.



If ever a firewall prevents you from doing something, but you can use
ssh, there is port forwarding to help:

Read the man page until you understand thisL

ssh -L 8080:fred.local:80 fred.example.com




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Re: GNOME

[Eric Spencer]

It is probably a firewall issue. 

if you can get in via SSH, start yast, go to Network Services -> Remote 
Administration and check the box that says "allow remote administration" and 
"open port in firewall". 

If you are using autoyast to install you can poke a hole in the firewall during 
installation by supplying the tag 

5801 5901 ssh vnc in the  
section.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
> Scott Rohling
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: GNOME
> 
> Typically - you would run 'vncserver' from a command line -- and then use
> vncviewer to connect to the correct display  (:0, :1, etc)...
> 
> Scott Rohling
> 
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Thang Pham 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi, I installed a new Linux with GNOME desktop and X Windows, but I
> cannot
> > access the desktop using a VNC viewer.  Are there additional
> instructions
> > on how to set this up?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Thang   2455 South Road
> >  (Embedded
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> >
> >  pic41517.gif)
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Re: GNOME

[Gregg Levine]

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Michael MacIsaac  wrote:
>> Is the firewall dropping the packets?
> Sob ... I must confess ... Since Thang and I sit on the same aisle in
> Poughkeepsie, NY and work on the same systems, I had the luxury of SSHing
> into the system and "hacking about". It was after much ado that I tried an
> "iptables -L" and saw a bunch of rules in effect.  So this post was a "set
> up" - Thang has no choice but to answer "yes".
>
> In the words of Jerry Seinfeld often saying "Newman! ...", I think we can
> all say "Firewall ! ..."
>
> "Mike MacIsaac"    (845) 433-7061
>
> P.S. Life is a Seinfeld episode ... Serenity Now!

Hello!
To be honest Mike, and without even being familiar with your systems
and how they interact with all of you, that was my first guess.

Incidentally I disagree, life isn't a TV series about nothing. Life is
a Doctor Who episode, and in my case any of 11 of them.

But especially the eighth Doctor and the tenth Doctor. Stuff had a
nasty habit of landing on them.
-
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Re: GNOME

[Michael MacIsaac]

> Is the firewall dropping the packets?
Sob ... I must confess ... Since Thang and I sit on the same aisle in
Poughkeepsie, NY and work on the same systems, I had the luxury of SSHing
into the system and "hacking about". It was after much ado that I tried an
"iptables -L" and saw a bunch of rules in effect.  So this post was a "set
up" - Thang has no choice but to answer "yes".

In the words of Jerry Seinfeld often saying "Newman! ...", I think we can
all say "Firewall ! ..."

"Mike MacIsaac"(845) 433-7061

P.S. Life is a Seinfeld episode ... Serenity Now!

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Re: GNOME

[Thang Pham]

Yes, it was a firewall problem.





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From:   Michael MacIsaac/Poughkeepsie/i...@ibmus
To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
Date:   06/11/2010 05:31 PM
Subject:Re: GNOME
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> I cannot access the desktop using a VNC viewer.
Is the firewall dropping the packets?

"Mike MacIsaac"(845) 433-7061

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Re: GNOME

[Michael MacIsaac]

> I cannot access the desktop using a VNC viewer.
Is the firewall dropping the packets?

"Mike MacIsaac"(845) 433-7061

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Re: GNOME

[Thang Pham]

I have vncserver running by issuing: vncserver :1 -name root -geometry
800x600.
But when I use vncviewer from another system: vncviewer 10.1.100.2:1,
I get this error:

ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: No route to host

I can ssh to 10.1.100.2, but cannot open an X window to it.  I also notice
these errors in /root/.vnc/gpok2.endicott.ibm.com:1.log:

Window manager warning: Log level 32: could not find XKB extension.
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
Initializing nautilus-open-terminal extension

** (eggcups:2496): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030





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From:   Scott Rohling 
To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
Date:   06/11/2010 04:59 PM
Subject:Re: GNOME
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port 



Typically - you would run 'vncserver' from a command line -- and then use
vncviewer to connect to the correct display  (:0, :1, etc)...

Scott Rohling

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Thang Pham  wrote:

>
> Hi, I installed a new Linux with GNOME desktop and X Windows, but I
cannot
> access the desktop using a VNC viewer.  Are there additional instructions
> on how to set this up?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thang   2455 South Road
>  (Embedded
>  Phamimage
> moved to
>
>  file:
>
>  pic41517.gif)
>
>  Phone:(845) 433-7567Poughkeepsie, NY
>12601
>
>  e-mail:   thang.p...@us.ibm.com
>
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Re: GNOME

[Thang Pham]

I have vncserver running by issuing: vncserver :1 -name root -geometry
800x600.
But when I use vncviewer from another system: vncviewer 10.1.100.2:1,
I get this error:

ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: No route to host

I can ssh to 10.1.100.2, but cannot open an X window to it.





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12601

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From:   Scott Rohling 
To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
Date:   06/11/2010 04:59 PM
Subject:Re: GNOME
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port 



Typically - you would run 'vncserver' from a command line -- and then use
vncviewer to connect to the correct display  (:0, :1, etc)...

Scott Rohling

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Thang Pham  wrote:

>
> Hi, I installed a new Linux with GNOME desktop and X Windows, but I
cannot
> access the desktop using a VNC viewer.  Are there additional instructions
> on how to set this up?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thang   2455 South Road
>  (Embedded
>  Phamimage
> moved to
>
>  file:
>
>  pic41517.gif)
>
>  Phone:(845) 433-7567Poughkeepsie, NY
>12601
>
>  e-mail:   thang.p...@us.ibm.com
>
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Re: GNOME

[Scott Rohling]

Typically - you would run 'vncserver' from a command line -- and then use
vncviewer to connect to the correct display  (:0, :1, etc)...

Scott Rohling

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Thang Pham  wrote:

>
> Hi, I installed a new Linux with GNOME desktop and X Windows, but I cannot
> access the desktop using a VNC viewer.  Are there additional instructions
> on how to set this up?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thang   2455 South Road
>  (Embedded
>  Phamimage
> moved to
>
>  file:
>
>  pic41517.gif)
>
>  Phone:(845) 433-7567Poughkeepsie, NY
>12601
>
>  e-mail:   thang.p...@us.ibm.com
>
>
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GNOME

[Thang Pham]

Hi, I installed a new Linux with GNOME desktop and X Windows, but I cannot
access the desktop using a VNC viewer.  Are there additional instructions
on how to set this up?

Thank you,





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Re: Getting Gnome to behave

[Brad Hinson]

Mauro Souza wrote:

Your problem isn't with Gnome... You are using twm as your default window
manager... You can change it (as people already said) in your
${HOME}/.vnc/xstartup. Or you could start the service (service, not program)
vncserver for the entire box. Connecting to it will bring you to a login
screen, rather to your crude, barebone desktop...
If I am not mistaken, you can change twm for gnome-wm in your xstartup file
to bring up gnome.

Mauro
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Just to second this, replacing "twm &" with "gnome-wm &" in
~/.vnc/xstartup will give you the Gnome window manager.  To take it a
step further, if you want the Gnome menus, panels and such (full Gnome
desktop), replace with "gnome-session &".

-Brad



On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Romanowski, John (OFT) <
john.romanow...@oft.state.ny.us> wrote:


try changing twm to mwm in the xstartup file.


-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
Raymond Higgs
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:55 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Getting Gnome to behave


That's when the fun starts - every window that opens starts as a

'skeleton

like grid' attached to the mouse pointer - wherever I left-click the

real

window is placed.  This behavior is annoying and I can't figure out

how
to

get it to behave as one would expect.   Much Googling hasn't

enlightened
me

either.



Can anyone help me out here ??

Bern - VK2KAD

Edit ${HOME}/.vnc/xstartup to change your window manager.

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Re: Getting Gnome to behave

[Mauro Souza]

Your problem isn't with Gnome... You are using twm as your default window
manager... You can change it (as people already said) in your
${HOME}/.vnc/xstartup. Or you could start the service (service, not program)
vncserver for the entire box. Connecting to it will bring you to a login
screen, rather to your crude, barebone desktop...
If I am not mistaken, you can change twm for gnome-wm in your xstartup file
to bring up gnome.

Mauro
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Romanowski, John (OFT) <
john.romanow...@oft.state.ny.us> wrote:

> try changing twm to mwm in the xstartup file.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Raymond Higgs
> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:55 PM
> > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Getting Gnome to behave
> >
> > > That's when the fun starts - every window that opens starts as a
> > 'skeleton
> > > like grid' attached to the mouse pointer - wherever I left-click the
> > real
> > > window is placed.  This behavior is annoying and I can't figure out
> > how
> > to
> > > get it to behave as one would expect.   Much Googling hasn't
> > enlightened
> > me
> > > either.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me out here ??
> > >
> > > Bern - VK2KAD
> >
> > Edit ${HOME}/.vnc/xstartup to change your window manager.
> >
> > Ray Higgs
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Re: Getting Gnome to behave

[Romanowski, John (OFT)]

try changing twm to mwm in the xstartup file.

> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
> Raymond Higgs
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:55 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: Getting Gnome to behave
>
> > That's when the fun starts - every window that opens starts as a
> 'skeleton
> > like grid' attached to the mouse pointer - wherever I left-click the
> real
> > window is placed.  This behavior is annoying and I can't figure out
> how
> to
> > get it to behave as one would expect.   Much Googling hasn't
> enlightened
> me
> > either.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone help me out here ??
> >
> > Bern - VK2KAD
>
> Edit ${HOME}/.vnc/xstartup to change your window manager.
>
> Ray Higgs
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Re: Getting Gnome to behave

[Raymond Higgs]

Linux on 390 Port  wrote on 03/12/2009 08:35:20
PM:

> Not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes.
>
>
>
> I have access to a RHEL5 system running as a guest under zVM5.3
>
>
>
> As I am not very familiar with the Linux command set I thought I would
take
> the easy way out and use the GUI approach.
>
>
>
> I putty to the RHEL system and have started a VNCSERVER session.   When
I
> point my VNC Viewer at this instance from a Windows box I get a crude
> desktop with an Xterm window.   Into that Xterm I issue gnome-session.
>
>
>
> That's when the fun starts - every window that opens starts as a
'skeleton
> like grid' attached to the mouse pointer - wherever I left-click the
real
> window is placed.  This behavior is annoying and I can't figure out how
to
> get it to behave as one would expect.   Much Googling hasn't enlightened
me
> either.
>
>
>
> Can anyone help me out here ??
>
> Bern - VK2KAD

Edit ${HOME}/.vnc/xstartup to change your window manager.

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Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
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Getting Gnome to behave

[Bernie VK2KAD]

Not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes.



I have access to a RHEL5 system running as a guest under zVM5.3



As I am not very familiar with the Linux command set I thought I would take
the easy way out and use the GUI approach.



I putty to the RHEL system and have started a VNCSERVER session.   When I
point my VNC Viewer at this instance from a Windows box I get a crude
desktop with an Xterm window.   Into that Xterm I issue gnome-session.



That's when the fun starts - every window that opens starts as a 'skeleton
like grid' attached to the mouse pointer - wherever I left-click the real
window is placed.  This behavior is annoying and I can't figure out how to
get it to behave as one would expect.   Much Googling hasn't enlightened me
either.



Can anyone help me out here ??

Bern - VK2KAD






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Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Alan Cox]

On Iau, 2003-04-03 at 13:51, Esthon Medeiros wrote:
> Also you can use Webmin for many administrative tasks.

Also gnome is still WM independant.

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Esthon Medeiros]

Also you can use Webmin for many administrative tasks.

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 01:47:27PM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
>
>> There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K?
>
> Usually the X server comes with a "native window manager" mode, that
> allows you to simply run X-windows windows appear as local application's
> windows (sort-of)
>
>> No Linux/Intel desktops
>> here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window manager but have
>> the apps run on the mainframe?
>
> Please separate "desktop" from "window manager". The fact that the two
> are commonly done by the same application (KDE, gnome, icewm, etc.) does not
> mean that they are nececerally always done by the same.
>
> Gnome was originally WM-independent. Although this has changed, many
> people run gnome with icewm, enlightenment and other WMs. Gnome is their
> desktop, but gnome's official WM is not their WM.
>
> The same applies for KDE with e.g black-box or window maker.
>
>
> Now with windows you already have a desktop: your windows desktop. The X
> server's native WM tries to make your X programs run as good as possible
> in that desktop.
>
> Consider things like switching between X and non-X programs, and
> cut&paste between X and non-X programs.
>
>> Actually, this is more so that the sysadmins
>> can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative applications. I
>> don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X applications.
>
> Huh?
>
> putty (with X forwarding) is your friend. If you have a shell on a
> remote host.
>
> If not: install cygwin (http://cygwin.com, a.k.a
> http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin ). This will give you many useful X
> clients. WindowMaker included.
>
> --
> Tzafrir Cohen   +---+
> http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend|
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   +---+
>

--
Esthon Medeiros
zSeries - IBM Brazil

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Florian La Roche]

> Gnome works in WeirdX quite nicely, and weirdmind. Its not stunningly
> bandwidth efficient but it works. Gnome is supposed by several non
> Linux vendors on non Linux systems and any case it didn't run on a
> basic server without extensions is considered a bug

Some of the problems with non-XFree86 servers are hard to debug. ;-)
On the other side Linux is getting much better to cooperate with
the hardware and software around it...

greetings,

Florian La Roche

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Alan Cox]

On Iau, 2003-04-03 at 10:29, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> Though you should note that XFree86 currently sets the standard for the
> development of X, and most other servers are quite behind it.

In the area of compression XFree is way behind the curve. ssh told to
compress -9 outperforms the x protocol compresssor XFree ships when
handling remote X sessions

The current leader looks to be :
http://www.nomachine.com/dev_sources.php

> This isn't a big deal if you want to display a bunch of XTerms, but
> gnome and kde do use quite a few of those newer extentions.
>
> XFree86 will work, and others will simply or fail to start clients.

Gnome works in WeirdX quite nicely, and weirdmind. Its not stunningly
bandwidth efficient but it works. Gnome is supposed by several non
Linux vendors on non Linux systems and any case it didn't run on a
basic server without extensions is considered a bug

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 09:20:06AM +0200, Rob van der Heij wrote:
> Alan Cox wrote:
>
> >>There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
> >>X-Win32
> >>Mi/X
> >>Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)
> >
> >Also of course WeirdX and Weirdmind which are pure java
>
> But don't consider them all equal just because they mostly work. I admit
> that I did not try them all, but when I compared a commercial X-server
> with some of the cheap/free ones, I noticed significant difference in
> performance. Parts of the X-server implementation are optional and cause
> a lot of extra traffic and may slow you down.
>

Though you should note that XFree86 currently sets the standard for the
development of X, and most other servers are quite behind it.

This isn't a big deal if you want to display a bunch of XTerms, but
gnome and kde do use quite a few of those newer extentions.

XFree86 will work, and others will simply or fail to start clients.

--
Tzafrir Cohen   +---+
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend|
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   +---+

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Rob van der Heij]

Alan Cox wrote:

There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
X-Win32
Mi/X
Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)


Also of course WeirdX and Weirdmind which are pure java
But don't consider them all equal just because they mostly work. I admit
that I did not try them all, but when I compared a commercial X-server
with some of the cheap/free ones, I noticed significant difference in
performance. Parts of the X-server implementation are optional and cause
a lot of extra traffic and may slow you down.
Rob

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Alan Cox]

On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 20:59, McKown, John wrote:
> Mark,
> I have an Xserver on Win2K. I was wondering how to run something like KDE or
> Gnome window manager on the Win2K machine and have it invoke the application
> on the mainframe. That seems to be what Tzafrir Cohen was saying that I
> could do. I already have the tunnelling working and running KDE on the
> mainframe Linux (OK, really on my test Linux/Intel since I don't have
> Linux/390 available yet). Tzafrir implies that I could run something like
> KDE on Win2K, but then it would invoke applications on the mainframe.

You can either use kdm/gdm to serve entire sessions or tools like ssh
with tunnels and then run "gnome-session".

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Alan Cox]

On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 20:53, Post, Mark K wrote:
> John,
>
> There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
> X-Win32
> Mi/X
> Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)

Also of course WeirdX and Weirdmind which are pure java

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[John Summerfield]

On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, McKown, John wrote:

> There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K? No Linux/Intel desktops
> here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window manager but have
> the apps run on the mainframe? Actually, this is more so that the sysadmins
> can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative applications. I
> don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X applications.

If you download the knoppix ISO, your admin types can run Linux without
actually installing it.

If you configure X properly (see the Linux for peanuts series at
Linuxworld), from your Knoppix system (as root) you can
X -query l390.example.com
login directly to the mainframe.

Alternatively, you can use ssh to connect to it and run various programs
from the commandline.



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Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello from Gregg C Levine
John, whose Xserver is it? I have here the MI-X one The FAQ they
supply gives accurate instructions for me to either Telnet over to the
Linux box, or SSH over to it. I also have VNC running here. Contact me
off list for advice..
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> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> McKown, John
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
> 
> Mark,
> I have an Xserver on Win2K. I was wondering how to run something
like KDE or
> Gnome window manager on the Win2K machine and have it invoke the
application
> on the mainframe. That seems to be what Tzafrir Cohen was saying
that I
> could do. I already have the tunnelling working and running KDE on
the
> mainframe Linux (OK, really on my test Linux/Intel since I don't
have
> Linux/390 available yet). Tzafrir implies that I could run something
like
> KDE on Win2K, but then it would invoke applications on the
mainframe.
> 
> 
> --
> John McKown
> Senior Technical Specialist
> UICI Insurance Center
> Applications & Solutions Team
> +1.817.255.3225
> 
> This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
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delete
> this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
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> distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it,
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
> > X-Win32
> > Mi/X
> > Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)
> >
> > The way you would do it would be to SSH to Linux/390.  If you have
X
> > forwarding turned on in /etc/sshd/sshd_config, then the
> > $DISPLAY variable
> > gets set automatically.  Then, all you have to do is invoke
> > things like
> > xterm, etc., and the window will open up in your X server on
> > your Windows
> > system.  You'll probably want to append a " &" to the end of
> > the command so
> > that your SSH session doesn't get tied up until you terminate
> > the X client.
> >
> > Mark Post
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:47 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
> >
> >
> > There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K? No
> > Linux/Intel desktops
> > here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window
> > manager but have
> > the apps run on the mainframe? Actually, this is more so that
> > the sysadmins
> > can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative
> > applications. I
> > don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X
> > applications.
> >
> >
> > --
> > John McKown
> > Senior Technical Specialist
> > UICI Insurance Center
> > Applications & Solutions Team
> > +1.817.255.3225
> >
> > This message (including any attachments) contains
> > confidential information
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is
> > protected by law.  If you are not the intended recipient, you
> > should delete
> > this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
or
> > distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based
> > on it, is
> > strictly prohibited.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:16 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:25:36AM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
> > >
> > > BTW: you dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work
with
> > > kde/gnome apps. You only need an X server and an X Window
> > manager for
> > > that. If the network performance is problematic, a local
> > > window manager
> > > will make your work much faster.
> > >
> > > Plus, the less you run on the big iron's CPU, the better.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tzafrir Cohen
+---+
> > > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best
friend|
> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+---+
> > >
> >

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 01:47:27PM -0600, McKown, John wrote:

> There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K?

Usually the X server comes with a "native window manager" mode, that
allows you to simply run X-windows windows appear as local application's
windows (sort-of)

> No Linux/Intel desktops
> here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window manager but have
> the apps run on the mainframe?

Please separate "desktop" from "window manager". The fact that the two
are commonly done by the same application (KDE, gnome, icewm, etc.) does not
mean that they are nececerally always done by the same.

Gnome was originally WM-independent. Although this has changed, many
people run gnome with icewm, enlightenment and other WMs. Gnome is their
desktop, but gnome's official WM is not their WM.

The same applies for KDE with e.g black-box or window maker.


Now with windows you already have a desktop: your windows desktop. The X
server's native WM tries to make your X programs run as good as possible
in that desktop.

Consider things like switching between X and non-X programs, and
cut&paste between X and non-X programs.

> Actually, this is more so that the sysadmins
> can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative applications. I
> don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X applications.

Huh?

putty (with X forwarding) is your friend. If you have a shell on a
remote host.

If not: install cygwin (http://cygwin.com, a.k.a
http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin ). This will give you many useful X
clients. WindowMaker included.

--
Tzafrir Cohen   +---+
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend|
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   +---+

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Post, Mark K]

John,

No, I don't believe that's what he meant.  Read his reply again: "BTW: you
dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work with kde/gnome apps.
You only need an X server and an X Window manager for that."

You can invoke the Gnome/KDE apps directly, just like xterm, and have the
display show up on your Windows system running the X server.


Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop


Mark,
I have an Xserver on Win2K. I was wondering how to run something like KDE or
Gnome window manager on the Win2K machine and have it invoke the application
on the mainframe. That seems to be what Tzafrir Cohen was saying that I
could do. I already have the tunnelling working and running KDE on the
mainframe Linux (OK, really on my test Linux/Intel since I don't have
Linux/390 available yet). Tzafrir implies that I could run something like
KDE on Win2K, but then it would invoke applications on the mainframe.


--
John McKown
Senior Technical Specialist
UICI Insurance Center
Applications & Solutions Team
+1.817.255.3225

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> -Original Message-
> From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
>
>
> John,
>
> There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
> X-Win32
> Mi/X
> Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)
>
> The way you would do it would be to SSH to Linux/390.  If you have X
> forwarding turned on in /etc/sshd/sshd_config, then the
> $DISPLAY variable
> gets set automatically.  Then, all you have to do is invoke
> things like
> xterm, etc., and the window will open up in your X server on
> your Windows
> system.  You'll probably want to append a " &" to the end of
> the command so
> that your SSH session doesn't get tied up until you terminate
> the X client.
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
>
>
> There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K? No
> Linux/Intel desktops
> here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window
> manager but have
> the apps run on the mainframe? Actually, this is more so that
> the sysadmins
> can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative
> applications. I
> don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X
> applications.
>
>
> --
> John McKown
> Senior Technical Specialist
> UICI Insurance Center
> Applications & Solutions Team
> +1.817.255.3225
>
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:16 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:25:36AM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
> >
>
> 
>
> >
> > BTW: you dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work with
> > kde/gnome apps. You only need an X server and an X Window
> manager for
> > that. If the network performance is problematic, a local
> > window manager
> > will make your work much faster.
> >
> > Plus, the less you run on the big iron's CPU, the better.
> >
> > --
> > Tzafrir Cohen   +---+
> > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend|
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   +---+
> >
>

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[McKown, John]

Mark,
I have an Xserver on Win2K. I was wondering how to run something like KDE or
Gnome window manager on the Win2K machine and have it invoke the application
on the mainframe. That seems to be what Tzafrir Cohen was saying that I
could do. I already have the tunnelling working and running KDE on the
mainframe Linux (OK, really on my test Linux/Intel since I don't have
Linux/390 available yet). Tzafrir implies that I could run something like
KDE on Win2K, but then it would invoke applications on the mainframe.


--
John McKown
Senior Technical Specialist
UICI Insurance Center
Applications & Solutions Team
+1.817.255.3225

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> -Original Message-
> From: Post, Mark K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
>
>
> John,
>
> There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
> X-Win32
> Mi/X
> Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)
>
> The way you would do it would be to SSH to Linux/390.  If you have X
> forwarding turned on in /etc/sshd/sshd_config, then the
> $DISPLAY variable
> gets set automatically.  Then, all you have to do is invoke
> things like
> xterm, etc., and the window will open up in your X server on
> your Windows
> system.  You'll probably want to append a " &" to the end of
> the command so
> that your SSH session doesn't get tied up until you terminate
> the X client.
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
>
>
> There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K? No
> Linux/Intel desktops
> here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window
> manager but have
> the apps run on the mainframe? Actually, this is more so that
> the sysadmins
> can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative
> applications. I
> don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X
> applications.
>
>
> --
> John McKown
> Senior Technical Specialist
> UICI Insurance Center
> Applications & Solutions Team
> +1.817.255.3225
>
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:16 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:25:36AM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
> >
>
> 
>
> >
> > BTW: you dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work with
> > kde/gnome apps. You only need an X server and an X Window
> manager for
> > that. If the network performance is problematic, a local
> > window manager
> > will make your work much faster.
> >
> > Plus, the less you run on the big iron's CPU, the better.
> >
> > --
> > Tzafrir Cohen   +---+
> > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend|
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   +---+
> >
>

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Post, Mark K]

John,

There are a number of X servers that run on Windows systems.
X-Win32
Mi/X
Xfree86 (part of Cygwin)

The way you would do it would be to SSH to Linux/390.  If you have X
forwarding turned on in /etc/sshd/sshd_config, then the $DISPLAY variable
gets set automatically.  Then, all you have to do is invoke things like
xterm, etc., and the window will open up in your X server on your Windows
system.  You'll probably want to append a " &" to the end of the command so
that your SSH session doesn't get tied up until you terminate the X client.

Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop


There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K? No Linux/Intel desktops
here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window manager but have
the apps run on the mainframe? Actually, this is more so that the sysadmins
can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative applications. I
don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X applications.


--
John McKown
Senior Technical Specialist
UICI Insurance Center
Applications & Solutions Team
+1.817.255.3225

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> -Original Message-
> From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:25:36AM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
>



>
> BTW: you dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work with
> kde/gnome apps. You only need an X server and an X Window manager for
> that. If the network performance is problematic, a local
> window manager
> will make your work much faster.
>
> Plus, the less you run on the big iron's CPU, the better.
>
> --
> Tzafrir Cohen   +---+
> http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend|
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   +---+
>

Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[McKown, John]

There is an X Window manager that runs on Win2K? No Linux/Intel desktops
here. Also would you tell me how I can run a local window manager but have
the apps run on the mainframe? Actually, this is more so that the sysadmins
can use things like linuxconfig and other administrative applications. I
don't think that we will actuall run many other types of X applications.


--
John McKown
Senior Technical Specialist
UICI Insurance Center
Applications & Solutions Team
+1.817.255.3225

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> -Original Message-
> From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:25:36AM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
>



>
> BTW: you dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work with
> kde/gnome apps. You only need an X server and an X Window manager for
> that. If the network performance is problematic, a local
> window manager
> will make your work much faster.
>
> Plus, the less you run on the big iron's CPU, the better.
>
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Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:25:36AM -0600, McKown, John wrote:
> I am actually testing this on Linux/Intel because we still don't have a
> Linux/390 system. Anyway I have two PCs at home. One runs Linux, the other
> Win2K. I have WinaXe as my Win2k/Xserver. I have gotten X11 tunneling
> working for simple xterms and the KDE desktop (slow on my 10Mb LAN) (enter
> "kde" on the SSH session). I cannot determine what to run to get Gnome
> running. I tried "gdm" and got an error about gdm wanting to be root. What
> starts the Gnome desktop?

BTW: you dont have to have a full kde/gnome environment to work with
kde/gnome apps. You only need an X server and an X Window manager for
that. If the network performance is problematic, a local window manager
will make your work much faster.

Plus, the less you run on the big iron's CPU, the better.

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Re: X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

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| working for simple xterms and the KDE desktop (slow on my 10Mb LAN) (enter
| "kde" on the SSH session). I cannot determine what to run to get Gnome
| running. I tried "gdm" and got an error about gdm wanting to be root. What
| starts the Gnome desktop?
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X11 SSH tunneling + Gnome desktop

[McKown, John]

I am actually testing this on Linux/Intel because we still don't have a
Linux/390 system. Anyway I have two PCs at home. One runs Linux, the other
Win2K. I have WinaXe as my Win2k/Xserver. I have gotten X11 tunneling
working for simple xterms and the KDE desktop (slow on my 10Mb LAN) (enter
"kde" on the SSH session). I cannot determine what to run to get Gnome
running. I tried "gdm" and got an error about gdm wanting to be root. What
starts the Gnome desktop?

I can get both Gnome and KDE going if I use XDMCP protocol, but that is
unencrypted. I want encryption for when this traffic is going through the
LAN at work.


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Re: Gnome

[John Summerfield]

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:28:25 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
> >I would rather spend the $30 to $50 for the CD than spend the time downloadi
> ng Linux.
>
> Couldn't agree more, but it seems that Knoppix (the original subject) has yet
>  to find
> outlets in the USA. Given the popularity elsewhere, it shouldnt take long.
>


If someone wants to send me $30 or so, I'll send them a Knoppix 3.1 CD. I have
it here, it's just a few moments to run off another copy. I'll have to check
expense (or simply add them).


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Re: Gnome

[Per Jessen]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:28:25 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>I would rather spend the $30 to $50 for the CD than spend the time downloading Linux.

Couldn't agree more, but it seems that Knoppix (the original subject) has yet to find
outlets in the USA. Given the popularity elsewhere, it shouldnt take long.



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

I would rather spend the $30 to $50 for the CD than spend the time downloading Linux.

-Original Message-
From: John Summerfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


> One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends t
> o work better than new hardware.  Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is les
> s likely to work.
>
> At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux aga
> in.  I probably will not try to download a version though.  I don't have a CD
>  writer at work, and I don't have broadband at home.  I estimate it would tak
> e about 60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that m
> y dialup would stay connected that long.


I have downloaded several releases of RHL through my modem. It's feasible - you
use an ftp client (or better, rsync) that can restart.

As you note, it takes time.

A good alternative is to download just the packages you need and lay them out in
the proper structure, and install from hard disk.

If you're looking at Red Hat Linux 7.3, I can give you a minimal list of
packages that should get you to a commandline system. I have a basic system
(admittedly not created with Red Hat's installer) which runs to less then 110
Mbytes last I counted it.


>
> -Original Message-
> From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Gnome
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:43:06 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
> >Are you telling me that you can guarantee that this will work on any system?
>
> No. But the fact that it works on my 5 year old Toshiba laptop seems a
> good indication. Laptops have always been difficult at best, so when
> knoppix installed immediately, well. Apart from that, I have installed
> Linux & KDE more times than I care to remember - it /does/ work.
>
> >Also, I think you missed the part ware I said I was installing on a Macintos
> h,
> >which knoppix does not support.
>
> Sorry, I did miss that bit.
>
> /Per
>
> regards,
> Per Jessen, Zurich
> http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
>

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Re: Gnome

[John Summerfield]

> One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends t
> o work better than new hardware.  Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is les
> s likely to work.
>
> At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux aga
> in.  I probably will not try to download a version though.  I don't have a CD
>  writer at work, and I don't have broadband at home.  I estimate it would tak
> e about 60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that m
> y dialup would stay connected that long.


I have downloaded several releases of RHL through my modem. It's feasible - you
use an ftp client (or better, rsync) that can restart.

As you note, it takes time.

A good alternative is to download just the packages you need and lay them out in
the proper structure, and install from hard disk.

If you're looking at Red Hat Linux 7.3, I can give you a minimal list of
packages that should get you to a commandline system. I have a basic system
(admittedly not created with Red Hat's installer) which runs to less then 110
Mbytes last I counted it.


>
> -Original Message-
> From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Gnome
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:43:06 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
> >Are you telling me that you can guarantee that this will work on any system?
>
> No. But the fact that it works on my 5 year old Toshiba laptop seems a
> good indication. Laptops have always been difficult at best, so when
> knoppix installed immediately, well. Apart from that, I have installed
> Linux & KDE more times than I care to remember - it /does/ work.
>
> >Also, I think you missed the part ware I said I was installing on a Macintos
> h,
> >which knoppix does not support.
>
> Sorry, I did miss that bit.
>
> /Per
>
> regards,
> Per Jessen, Zurich
> http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
>

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Re: knoppix (was: Gnome)

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:08:13PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

> Absolutely. And since you're looking to do an actual install anyway, knoppix
> won't do you much good.

As a matter of fact, it will.

http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1104.barr.html

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Re: Gnome

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:40:21PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

> But knoppix does /just/ that. What can be easier than placing the CD in
> the tray, hit load, then reboot ? No HDD partitioning, no install, no
> nothing, but Linux & KDE up and running in 5mins flat.  Not even Windows
> can do that.

Are you implying that Windows is either fast or simple to install?  In my
experience, it is neither, and the vast majority of users have never even
attempted it.

--
 - mdz

knoppix (was: Gnome)

[Per Jessen]

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:49:47 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>I have not been able to find anything that says if wget is available on the
>GNU CD for Windows, or not.  In any case I think it would be easier to buy
>something like Red Hat.  Even split over several sessions, 60 hours is a
>long time to tie up a phone line.

Absolutely. And since you're looking to do an actual install anyway, knoppix
won't do you much good.
I just tried running knoppix on my wifes Compaq Evo N610C laptop, which is pretty
much brandnew. Runs fine, except for some minor problem with the video.  I don't
know how old my knoppix version is, but I would whatever it is has been fixed
in a more recent version.

/Per

>
>-Original Message-
>From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:48 AM
>To: Fargusson.Alan
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Gnome
>
>
>On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
>>One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends
>>to work better than new hardware.  Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is
>>less likely to work.
>
>I'll try that - we have a fairly new compaq. Although my impression has
>been that (most) manufacturers are very good at working with eg. the
>kernel-developers.
>
>I've just tried a Fujitsu-Siemens ready-made Intel system - no probs whatsoever.
>Granted, this is probably a 100% standard system (and certainly not a laptop), so ...
>
>>At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux again.
>>I probably will not try to download a version though.  I don't have a CD writer
>>at work, and I don't have broadband at home.  I estimate it would take about
>>60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that my dialup
>>would stay connected that long.
>
>You could try using 'wget -r' - even with interruptions, that tends to work fine.
>That's what I used before we got ADSL a couple of months ago. Uh, wait - maybe
>try a download manager for MSIE or Netscape ? I don't know if you wget exists
>for Windows or Mac.
>
>The c't CDROM is 688M, but also has openoffice, mozilla and probably lots of
>other stuff included.
>
>/Per
>
>regards,
>Per Jessen, Zurich
>http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
>
>
>


regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

I have not been able to find anything that says if wget is available on the GNU CD for 
Windows, or not.  In any case I think it would be easier to buy something like Red 
Hat.  Even split over several sessions, 60 hours is a long time to tie up a phone line.

-Original Message-
From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:48 AM
To: Fargusson.Alan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends 
>to work better than new hardware.  Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is 
>less likely to work.

I'll try that - we have a fairly new compaq. Although my impression has
been that (most) manufacturers are very good at working with eg. the 
kernel-developers. 

I've just tried a Fujitsu-Siemens ready-made Intel system - no probs whatsoever. 
Granted, this is probably a 100% standard system (and certainly not a laptop), so ... 

>At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux again.  
>I probably will not try to download a version though.  I don't have a CD writer 
>at work, and I don't have broadband at home.  I estimate it would take about 
>60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that my dialup 
>would stay connected that long.

You could try using 'wget -r' - even with interruptions, that tends to work fine.
That's what I used before we got ADSL a couple of months ago. Uh, wait - maybe
try a download manager for MSIE or Netscape ? I don't know if you wget exists
for Windows or Mac.

The c't CDROM is 688M, but also has openoffice, mozilla and probably lots of
other stuff included. 

/Per

regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

knoppix (was: Gnome)

[Per Jessen]

Regarding knoppix -

try these:

http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=interview-knoppix
http://thetechnozone.com/pcbuyersguide/software/system/Review-Knoppix_Linux.html

I've only really tried knoppix once or twice, and was just impressed! Personally
I've used SuSE for years, but will probably swap to Debian in the near future.
But, if you've never tried Linux and you're just curious, knoppix is the answer.

/Per

regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Per Jessen]

On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends
>to work better than new hardware.  Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is
>less likely to work.

I'll try that - we have a fairly new compaq. Although my impression has
been that (most) manufacturers are very good at working with eg. the
kernel-developers.

I've just tried a Fujitsu-Siemens ready-made Intel system - no probs whatsoever.
Granted, this is probably a 100% standard system (and certainly not a laptop), so ...

>At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux again.
>I probably will not try to download a version though.  I don't have a CD writer
>at work, and I don't have broadband at home.  I estimate it would take about
>60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that my dialup
>would stay connected that long.

You could try using 'wget -r' - even with interruptions, that tends to work fine.
That's what I used before we got ADSL a couple of months ago. Uh, wait - maybe
try a download manager for MSIE or Netscape ? I don't know if you wget exists
for Windows or Mac.

The c't CDROM is 688M, but also has openoffice, mozilla and probably lots of
other stuff included.

/Per

regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends to work 
better than new hardware.  Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is less likely to work.

At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux again.  I 
probably will not try to download a version though.  I don't have a CD writer at work, 
and I don't have broadband at home.  I estimate it would take about 60 hours to 
download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that my dialup would stay connected 
that long.

-Original Message-
From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:43:06 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>Are you telling me that you can guarantee that this will work on any system?

No. But the fact that it works on my 5 year old Toshiba laptop seems a
good indication. Laptops have always been difficult at best, so when
knoppix installed immediately, well. Apart from that, I have installed
Linux & KDE more times than I care to remember - it /does/ work.

>Also, I think you missed the part ware I said I was installing on a Macintosh,
>which knoppix does not support.

Sorry, I did miss that bit.

/Per

regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Per Jessen]

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:43:06 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>Are you telling me that you can guarantee that this will work on any system?

No. But the fact that it works on my 5 year old Toshiba laptop seems a
good indication. Laptops have always been difficult at best, so when
knoppix installed immediately, well. Apart from that, I have installed
Linux & KDE more times than I care to remember - it /does/ work.

>Also, I think you missed the part ware I said I was installing on a Macintosh,
>which knoppix does not support.

Sorry, I did miss that bit.

/Per

regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

OT iMac & Linux (was Re: Gnome)

[Rod Furey]

I run Linux on an iMac as well. My research pointed me to using
YellowDog Linux rather than SuSE. Once you read the install instructions
and do the pre-install planning, it works pretty well (including KDE,
GNOME, music etc.) although I strongly suggest that if you're running OS
9 or OS X that you put them in and update them to whatever you need
first. I've got it on a 400MHz iMac with 64 Mb of memory.
You should note that older models may need more work than newer models.
The installation instructions (on the web site) point out gotchas for you.
Curiously enough, I also run OS X on this box, even though Apple
recommend twice as much memory. It runs. Erm... let me see - it walks.
Actually, it's not as bad as I expected. However, since this iMac will
become my gateway box, it doesn't really matter (as the current gateway
PC is on its last legs and keeps making strange noises). It's a shame
that the people who make the USB ISDN adapter only provide i386 Linux
drivers and not PPC ones. Still, I can use OS X to connect to the net
and that works so that'll do me for now.
The overriding performance factor that I've seen with OS X is memory. On
the 2 boxes that I've got with 128Mb, it's functionally acceptable but
don't try to do too much at one or else it pages like mad. The box with
256Mb is a lot better in terms of performance and keeps the other half
quite happy (moans and groans about MS Word docs aside - the sooner
OpenOffice.org come up with a full build that he can use, the happier
I'll be 'cos I can install that for him and then he'll be happy).
Rod (if you're running OS X, then fink is your friend)

Re: Gnome

[Alan Cox]

On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 18:14, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
> On the G4 there was a problem with the video card driver that required a rebuild of 
> the kernel, which I could not do because there was a problem with the video card 
> driver that required a rebuild of the kernel...  I could not work around this 
> because the video would not even work in character mode.  I think SuSE has yet to 
> work around this problem.

Mac is hassle. On most modern PC systtems and distributions its

Insert CD
set language
set keyboard type
Hit ok a few times
Wait

Enjoy

Re: Gnome

[Per Jessen]

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:13:03 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>Some people get lucky.  That does not make for a system that is easy to
>install for everyone.

But knoppix does /just/ that. What can be easier than placing the CD in the tray,
hit load, then reboot ? No HDD partitioning, no install, no nothing, but
Linux & KDE up and running in 5mins flat.
Not even Windows can do that.


/Per



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

Are you telling me that you can guarantee that this will work on any system?

Also, I think you missed the part ware I said I was installing on a Macintosh, which 
knoppix does not support.

-Original Message-
From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:40 PM
To: Fargusson.Alan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:13:03 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:

>Some people get lucky.  That does not make for a system that is easy to 
>install for everyone.

But knoppix does /just/ that. What can be easier than placing the CD in the tray,
hit load, then reboot ? No HDD partitioning, no install, no nothing, but
Linux & KDE up and running in 5mins flat.
Not even Windows can do that.


/Per 



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Post, Mark K]

Or, you could say that some people get unlucky.  That doesn't make for a
system that is difficult to install for everyone.

A few weeks ago, I got handed a Compaq Armada 7800 laptop.  I grabbed my
Slackware CD, booted up with it, did the install (including KDE) and had
things working in about an hour.  That seems to be the more usual experience
these days as opposed to what happened to you.

Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


Some people get lucky.  That does not make for a system that is easy to
install for everyone.

-Original Message-
From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:45:29 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
>I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is just to
hard to
>get GUI working on Linux.

Oh, please. Try www.knoppix.org - download a CD-image, burn a CD, then
boot your system from CD. Works fine.

A couple of weeks ago, the german c't magazine came with a Knoppix CD
included -
booted just fine, even on my old Toshiba 64M laptop. And you don't even need
to install anything.



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

Some people get lucky.  That does not make for a system that is easy to install for 
everyone.

-Original Message-
From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:45:29 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
>I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is just to hard to
>get GUI working on Linux.

Oh, please. Try www.knoppix.org - download a CD-image, burn a CD, then
boot your system from CD. Works fine.

A couple of weeks ago, the german c't magazine came with a Knoppix CD included -
booted just fine, even on my old Toshiba 64M laptop. And you don't even need
to install anything.



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Per Jessen]

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:45:29 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
>
>I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is just to hard to
>get GUI working on Linux.

Oh, please. Try www.knoppix.org - download a CD-image, burn a CD, then
boot your system from CD. Works fine.

A couple of weeks ago, the german c't magazine came with a Knoppix CD included -
booted just fine, even on my old Toshiba 64M laptop. And you don't even need
to install anything.



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich
http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

On the G4 there was a problem with the video card driver that required a rebuild of 
the kernel, which I could not do because there was a problem with the video card 
driver that required a rebuild of the kernel...  I could not work around this because 
the video would not even work in character mode.  I think SuSE has yet to work around 
this problem.

On the iMac the configuration of X11 would fail.  I think this was due to the iMac 
video having an odd memory configuration (I forget the actual error message).  It has 
6M of video ram, which is an unusual size.  I tried several different ways of 
configuring the video including YaST, xconfig (or something like that), and editing 
the configuration files with vi (based on a configuration from the iMac Linux web 
page).  Nothing worked for me.  BTW: SuSE has not yet responded to my e-mail, other 
than a caned response that said not to expect much.

Basically I spent many hours trying to get a Linux GUI working, and finally gave up.  
Since I have had to learn Visual C on the job it is much easier for me to use Windows 
for GUI, and USS for command line.  We don't have zLinux yet.

-Original Message-
From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


What is the problem you were having? My experience has been just the
opposite. With Redhat, SuSE, and  Slackware I was able to get a GUI pretty
much 'out of the box'. Some twiddling was needed with Slackware. Nothing
rocket science.



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I sympathize with you.  I tried to get Gnome working on an iMac and a G4
Macintosh, with SuSE Linux.  Both were failures.

I didn't have any success with KDE either.

I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is just to
hard to get GUI working on Linux.

On the up side, my new Dell with Windows/XP has been working for months
without a single crash.  I am running MacOS X on the G4 now, but I am about
to give up on it.  The Dell is actually working better for me. Also some of
the software I use is not available for the Mac.  It isn't available for
Linux either of course.  I was using Virtual PC, but that was much to slow
for me.  For some reason Visual C is very slow on VPC.

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Illingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


Thanks.

I believe that I made it through about half of those, and then gave up. I
was just surprised that GNOME wasn't somehow more 'self-contained' like
the MySQL or Webmin rpm's were.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/03 06:07PM >>>
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:08, Post, Mark K wrote:
> Welcome to RPM.
>
> You could try this:
> cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
> rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*

up2date is your friend, or apt 8)

If I remember rightly the basic order is

glib
gtk+
imlib
ORBit
audiofile
libxml
gnome-libs
gdk-pixbuf
libghttp
libglade
libgtop
gnome-print
control-center
gnome-core

but thats offhand

Re: Gnome

[James Melin]

What is the problem you were having? My experience has been just the
opposite. With Redhat, SuSE, and  Slackware I was able to get a GUI pretty
much 'out of the box'. Some twiddling was needed with Slackware. Nothing
rocket science.



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I sympathize with you.  I tried to get Gnome working on an iMac and a G4
Macintosh, with SuSE Linux.  Both were failures.

I didn't have any success with KDE either.

I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is just to
hard to get GUI working on Linux.

On the up side, my new Dell with Windows/XP has been working for months
without a single crash.  I am running MacOS X on the G4 now, but I am about
to give up on it.  The Dell is actually working better for me. Also some of
the software I use is not available for the Mac.  It isn't available for
Linux either of course.  I was using Virtual PC, but that was much to slow
for me.  For some reason Visual C is very slow on VPC.

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Illingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


Thanks.

I believe that I made it through about half of those, and then gave up. I
was just surprised that GNOME wasn't somehow more 'self-contained' like
the MySQL or Webmin rpm's were.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/03 06:07PM >>>
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:08, Post, Mark K wrote:
> Welcome to RPM.
>
> You could try this:
> cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
> rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*

up2date is your friend, or apt 8)

If I remember rightly the basic order is

glib
gtk+
imlib
ORBit
audiofile
libxml
gnome-libs
gdk-pixbuf
libghttp
libglade
libgtop
gnome-print
control-center
gnome-core

but thats offhand

Re: Gnome

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello from Gregg C Levine
That's decidedly very interesting. And yes, I sympathize with you, as
well. But here, I have gotten a GUI to work on my Slackware Linux
setup. Each time, it has been either a native X-Windows, or that of
KDE, or once, or twice Gnome.

Yes, it is difficult. Tux, wants everything perfect, when we choose to
run a GUI. But not impossible. There are scads of books out there,
that explain how to set such a GUI up. I haven't found a good solution
for one thing, and probably won't, as a matter of fact. 
And Gnome is more particular about how things are setup. The system
needs a root password, even when it is a single user system that is
being setup. Just my opinions here folks. And only working, in NYC.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Fargusson.Alan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gnome
> 
> I sympathize with you.  I tried to get Gnome working on an iMac and
a G4
> Macintosh, with SuSE Linux.  Both were failures.
> 
> I didn't have any success with KDE either.
> 
> I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is
just to hard to get GUI
> working on Linux.
> 
> On the up side, my new Dell with Windows/XP has been working for
months
> without a single crash.  I am running MacOS X on the G4 now, but I
am about to
> give up on it.  The Dell is actually working better for me. Also
some of the software
> I use is not available for the Mac.  It isn't available for Linux
either of course.  I was
> using Virtual PC, but that was much to slow for me.  For some reason
Visual C is
> very slow on VPC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kenneth Illingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Gnome
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I believe that I made it through about half of those, and then gave
up. I was just
> surprised that GNOME wasn't somehow more 'self-contained' like  the
MySQL or
> Webmin rpm's were.
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/03 06:07PM >>>
> On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:08, Post, Mark K wrote:
> > Welcome to RPM.
> >
> > You could try this:
> > cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
> > rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*
> 
> up2date is your friend, or apt 8)
> 
> If I remember rightly the basic order is
> 
> glib
> gtk+
> imlib
> ORBit
> audiofile
> libxml
> gnome-libs
> gdk-pixbuf
> libghttp
> libglade
> libgtop
> gnome-print
> control-center
> gnome-core
> 
> but thats offhand

Re: Gnome

[Fargusson.Alan]

I sympathize with you.  I tried to get Gnome working on an iMac and a G4 Macintosh, 
with SuSE Linux.  Both were failures.

I didn't have any success with KDE either.

I think this is the main reason people still use Windows.  It is just to hard to get 
GUI working on Linux.

On the up side, my new Dell with Windows/XP has been working for months without a 
single crash.  I am running MacOS X on the G4 now, but I am about to give up on it.  
The Dell is actually working better for me. Also some of the software I use is not 
available for the Mac.  It isn't available for Linux either of course.  I was using 
Virtual PC, but that was much to slow for me.  For some reason Visual C is very slow 
on VPC.

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Illingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnome


Thanks.

I believe that I made it through about half of those, and then gave up. I was just 
surprised that GNOME wasn't somehow more 'self-contained' like  the MySQL or Webmin 
rpm's were.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/03 06:07PM >>>
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:08, Post, Mark K wrote:
> Welcome to RPM.
>
> You could try this:
> cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
> rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*

up2date is your friend, or apt 8)

If I remember rightly the basic order is

glib
gtk+
imlib
ORBit
audiofile
libxml
gnome-libs
gdk-pixbuf
libghttp
libglade
libgtop
gnome-print
control-center
gnome-core

but thats offhand

Re: Gnome

[Alan Cox]

On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 13:19, Kenneth Illingsworth wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> I believe that I made it through about half of those, and then gave up. I was just 
> surprised that GNOME wasn't somehow more 'self-contained' like  the MySQL or Webmin 
> rpm's were.

Gnome is in many parts for two reasons

1. Chunks of it (glib, gtk, imlib, ORbit, audiofile, lixml,gdk-pixbuf, libglade) are 
not
just for Gnome

2. Its much easier to maintain a set of packages and to pick what you want to
install. Tools like apt-get, gnorpm and up2date can figure out what to install
for you.

up2date -u gnome-core should get you roughly to the right place

Re: Gnome

[Kenneth Illingsworth]

Thanks.

I believe that I made it through about half of those, and then gave up. I was just 
surprised that GNOME wasn't somehow more 'self-contained' like  the MySQL or Webmin 
rpm's were.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/03 06:07PM >>>
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:08, Post, Mark K wrote:
> Welcome to RPM.
>
> You could try this:
> cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
> rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*

up2date is your friend, or apt 8)

If I remember rightly the basic order is

glib
gtk+
imlib
ORBit
audiofile
libxml
gnome-libs
gdk-pixbuf
libghttp
libglade
libgtop
gnome-print
control-center
gnome-core

but thats offhand

Re: Gnome

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Ryan Ware wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tzafrir Cohen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:47 PM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: Gnome

[ snip ]

> > Repeast until all dependencies are satisfied (in that case the rpm command
> > will succeed)
> >
> My, what fun.
>

This is when you don't want to use up2date, don't want to setup apt, and
can't figure things out manually.

--
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir

Re: Gnome

[Alan Cox]

On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:08, Post, Mark K wrote:
> Welcome to RPM.
>
> You could try this:
> cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
> rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*

up2date is your friend, or apt 8)

If I remember rightly the basic order is

glib
gtk+
imlib
ORBit
audiofile
libxml
gnome-libs
gdk-pixbuf
libghttp
libglade
libgtop
gnome-print
control-center
gnome-core

but thats offhand

Re: Gnome

[Ryan Ware]

> -Original Message-
> From: Tzafrir Cohen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:47 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Gnome
>
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Kenneth Illingsworth wrote:
>
> > I am running RH Linux v7.2 with one PHP/MySQL test application that has
> > performed well. I was interested in installing the Gnome desktop. I
> > elected to try and duplicate past success and tried to utilize Webmin to
> > install the RPM files. However, I ran into a lot of dependency problems.
> > Is there more of a cookbook approach to installing a desktop on this
> > virtual server?
> >
>
> What dependency is not satisfied?
>
> If you can't figure it out yourself, then search for it in rpmfind.net:
>
> Suppose it is "libbarbi.so.2"
>
> go to http://rpmfind.net/
>
> type in the search box:
>
>   libbarbi.so.2
>
> From the answers select *only* one from "RedHat 7.2" or "RedHat 7.2
> Updates": this is the package you need to install. Add it to the 'rpm -Uv'
> command-line that failed due to missing dependencies.
>
> Repeast until all dependencies are satisfied (in that case the rpm command
> will succeed)
>
My, what fun.

Re: Gnome

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Kenneth Illingsworth wrote:

> I am running RH Linux v7.2 with one PHP/MySQL test application that has
> performed well. I was interested in installing the Gnome desktop. I
> elected to try and duplicate past success and tried to utilize Webmin to
> install the RPM files. However, I ran into a lot of dependency problems.
> Is there more of a cookbook approach to installing a desktop on this
> virtual server?
>

What dependency is not satisfied?

If you can't figure it out yourself, then search for it in rpmfind.net:

Suppose it is "libbarbi.so.2"

go to http://rpmfind.net/

type in the search box:

  libbarbi.so.2

>From the answers select *only* one from "RedHat 7.2" or "RedHat 7.2
Updates": this is the package you need to install. Add it to the 'rpm -Uv'
command-line that failed due to missing dependencies.

Repeast until all dependencies are satisfied (in that case the rpm command
will succeed)

--
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir

Re: Gnome

[Post, Mark K]

Welcome to RPM.

You could try this:
cd /to/directory/with/RPMs
rpm -Uvh --test gnome-*

and see what's left over to be specified.  :)

Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Illingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Gnome


I am running RH Linux v7.2 with one PHP/MySQL test application that has
performed well. I was interested in installing the Gnome desktop. I elected
to try and duplicate past success and tried to utilize Webmin to install the
RPM files. However, I ran into a lot of dependency problems. Is there more
of a cookbook approach to installing a desktop on this virtual server?

Gnome

[Kenneth Illingsworth]

I am running RH Linux v7.2 with one PHP/MySQL test application that has performed 
well. I was interested in installing the Gnome desktop. I elected to try and duplicate 
past success and tried to utilize Webmin to install the RPM files. However, I ran into 
a lot of dependency problems. Is there more of a cookbook approach to installing a 
desktop on this virtual server?

Re: Kde & Gnome on RedHat 7.2 s390 arch

[paultz]

Hi, Max.

You probably already found your answer, but if not try 'startkde' or
'gnome-session' from your X window to start up the respective desktops.

Regards,
Paul




Hello,
   I've just installed Linux RedHat 7.2 on VM image. During installation
=
i've selected x11 applications and desktop environment as Kde and Gnome.
=
After installation i've also checked with "rpm -qa" command if packages
=
was installed and everithings seems to be fine, but I'm not able to =
launch both environment kde & Gnome: infact searching in to directories
=
is not possible to find any executable file such ./kde or ./gnome
Some suggestions?

Max

Re: Kde & Gnome on RedHat 7.2 s390 arch

[Sergey Korzhevsky]

Get book at
ftp://nozzle.suse.de/pub/suse/s390/sles7-beta/31-bit/cd1/sles7_s390_en.pdf
and read chapter about
X-Windows system.



WBR, Sergey



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Hello,
   I've just installed Linux RedHat 7.2 on VM image. During installation
   i've selected x11 applications and desktop environment as Kde and Gnome.
   After installation i've also checked with "rpm -qa" command if packages
   was installed and everithings seems to be fine, but I'm not able to
   launch both environment kde & Gnome: infact searching in to directories
   is not possible to find any executable file such ./kde or ./gnome
Some suggestions?

Max

Kde & Gnome on RedHat 7.2 s390 arch

[Massimiliano Belardi]

Hello,
   I've just installed Linux RedHat 7.2 on VM image. During installation i've selected 
x11 applications and desktop environment as Kde and Gnome. After installation i've 
also checked with "rpm -qa" command if packages was installed and everithings seems to 
be fine, but I'm not able to launch both environment kde & Gnome: infact searching in 
to directories is not possible to find any executable file such ./kde or ./gnome
Some suggestions?

Max

Re: GNOME on vm/s390

[John Summerfield]

> I have Hummingbird Exceed running on my windows 2000 workstation.
> XDM is running on Linux under vm.
> I'm able to login to the Linux via XDM which then brings up the KDE desktop
> environment on my workstation.
> I have a user that would like to use the GNOME desktop.
> My question is how can I invoke GNOME instead of KDE once I've logged in via
> XDM.


I think your user needs to run switchdesk - it's ages since I did it
though, and my memory's imperfect.


--
Cheers
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Note: mail delivered to me is deemed to be intended for me, for my
disposition.

==
If you don't like being told you're wrong,
be right!

Re: GNOME on vm/s390

[Matt Lashley]

Hi Rich -

I use Exceed on Win 2000 too and I've switched from using xdm to kdm.  kdm
gives a better login interface *and it gives a user the ability to choose
from the various window managers installed on the system.

Of course I'm still a greenhorn s

Matt Lashley
Systems Programmer
State of Idaho




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I have Hummingbird Exceed running on my windows 2000 workstation.
XDM is running on Linux under vm.
I'm able to login to the Linux via XDM which then brings up the KDE desktop
environment on my workstation.
I have a user that would like to use the GNOME desktop.
My question is how can I invoke GNOME instead of KDE once I've logged in
via
XDM.

Thanks.

Rich Blair | Sr. Systems Programmer
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GNOME on vm/s390

[Rich Blair]

I have Hummingbird Exceed running on my windows 2000 workstation.
XDM is running on Linux under vm.
I'm able to login to the Linux via XDM which then brings up the KDE desktop
environment on my workstation.
I have a user that would like to use the GNOME desktop.
My question is how can I invoke GNOME instead of KDE once I've logged in via
XDM.

Thanks.

Rich Blair | Sr. Systems Programmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

ASG |  <http://www.asg.com/> asg.com
1333 Third Avenue South
Naples, Florida 34102  USA

Tel: 941.435.2243
Fax: 941.213.3717
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