Re: IOCDS for Redhat
Thanks for the plug. Some of the rest of us might get some mileage from it. Harold Grovesteen Mark Post wrote: Or, plug you could go to http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=HfBRh4TspiE~ for a no-cost 180-day trial of SLES10 SP1./plug :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
IOCDS for Redhat
I just came back from Share and we would like to try to bring up Linux on an lpar on our z9. I was told to remove all of the dasd except what Linux would be using. What else should or should not be included in this IOCDS? Anything else that might prove helpful? We plan to try this with CentOS-5. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
On Aug 20, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: I just came back from Share and we would like to try to bring up Linux on an lpar on our z9. I was told to remove all of the dasd except what Linux would be using. What else should or should not be included in this IOCDS? Anything else that might prove helpful? Yes. Run it under z/VM instead. Your life will be much more pleasant. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
Hi, You will also need your OSA cards and maybe some tape addresses. Are you going to be using native Lpar or zVM? Regards, -Jose -Original Message- From: Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:14 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: IOCDS for Redhat I just came back from Share and we would like to try to bring up Linux on an lpar on our z9. I was told to remove all of the dasd except what Linux would be using. What else should or should not be included in this IOCDS? Anything else that might prove helpful? We plan to try this with CentOS-5. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Scanned by McAfee SCM1 Scanned by Triple-S SCM1 - *Attention* This electronic message, including any attachments, contains information that may be legally confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error and delete it from your system.
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
For now, native with hopes of selling VM. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -Original Message- From: José L. Ramírez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:21 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IOCDS for Redhat Hi, You will also need your OSA cards and maybe some tape addresses. Are you going to be using native Lpar or zVM? Regards, -Jose -Original Message- From: Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:14 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: IOCDS for Redhat I just came back from Share and we would like to try to bring up Linux on an lpar on our z9. I was told to remove all of the dasd except what Linux would be using. What else should or should not be included in this IOCDS? Anything else that might prove helpful? We plan to try this with CentOS-5. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Scanned by McAfee SCM1 Scanned by Triple-S SCM1 - *Attention* This electronic message, including any attachments, contains information that may be legally confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error and delete it from your system. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:19 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IOCDS for Redhat On Aug 20, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: I just came back from Share and we would like to try to bring up Linux on an lpar on our z9. I was told to remove all of the dasd except what Linux would be using. What else should or should not be included in this IOCDS? Anything else that might prove helpful? Yes. Run it under z/VM instead. Your life will be much more pleasant. Adam Though I agree with you totally, many places are willing to shell out $0.00 and carve out an LPAR for a proof of concept type test. Many don't want the time, cost (minimal), and effort required to first install z/VM (especially if there are no z/VM literate people available), then install Linux. No offense to the OP, but this is likely to be especially true of a shop which is trying out CentOS instead of SUSE or RHEL. I know that it was the way here, before it was all bounced out the door because of insanity on the part of the then-management (since replaced) who thought that you could run Windows under Linux on a System z. They wanted to consolidate Windows SQL servers onto the System z. No, they did not want to run Oracle or DB2 or ..., only MS SQL Server. Again, these people are now gone - from the CIO down 2 levels of management. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
For now, native with hopes of selling VM. IBM will loan you VM for a trial, generally for free if you ask nicely. You'll waste a lot of time and effort getting Linux working in LPAR for no gain, and you lose a lot of the cool factor by only being able to create one Linux system. Talk to your IBM rep first. If nothing else, it will save you a POR to redefine the IOCDS -- with VM, it's safe to have all the devices, as VM knows how to play nice in that environment. You should also come to Hillgang -- the DC area VM and Linux users group. There's lots of friendly sorts out there near you. Talk to me about caBIG resources as well...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
No offense to the OP, but this is likely to be especially true of a shop which is trying out CentOS instead of SUSE or RHEL. Since both Novell and RH offer downloadable trial versions, it doesn't make a lot of sense to mess with CentOS if you're seriously considering production use. Just download the RHEL trial and be done with it if you're going to smoke the RedHat pipe. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
To directly answer your question: 1. Remove anything you don't want to give to the Linux test system. After all, if you don't know what you are doing (that is what a test system is for), then the Linux image, may be told to take and use devices that the production system(s) want. 2. Remove any defined but not being used devices. Like those of us that may have defined some 500 OSA triplits for each of their OSA ports. Not a big deal, but you may spend a lot of time with device sensing and scanning thru configuration files. Or better yet, just give the LPAR ONLY those devices you know you want. A few disk drives, a single OSA tripplet, and, perhaps a tape drive (a real one, no virtual ones). Ooops, almost forgot about the HMC console access. I'm a VM bigot, but if you don't have VM knowledge onsite, I would keep away from VM. It will be another layer of something you don't know about. That just leads to more problems. But if you have VM knowledge and/or have someone you can bring in with VM knowledge to get you going, VM takes away a lot of problems and worry. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/20/2007 12:13 PM I just came back from Share and we would like to try to bring up Linux on an lpar on our z9. I was told to remove all of the dasd except what Linux would be using. What else should or should not be included in this IOCDS? Anything else that might prove helpful? We plan to try this with CentOS-5. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
*) I've been trying to that VM trial for several weeks. IBM has not been helpful. If I ever get it, I'll have to learn VM but that's OK with me. *) I was not able to find a RHEL trial, I'll go look again. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -Original Message- From: David Boyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:29 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IOCDS for Redhat No offense to the OP, but this is likely to be especially true of a shop which is trying out CentOS instead of SUSE or RHEL. Since both Novell and RH offer downloadable trial versions, it doesn't make a lot of sense to mess with CentOS if you're seriously considering production use. Just download the RHEL trial and be done with it if you're going to smoke the RedHat pipe. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
*) I've been trying to that VM trial for several weeks. IBM has not been helpful. If I ever get it, I'll have to learn VM but that's OK with me. I've forwarded your note to a couple IBMers who should be able to crack something loose for you. If not, they'll find out why. Also, there's probably some one around DC who'll spare you a morning to get you started on your VM install and ops. It's really one page; not much to know, and remember, the first taste is free...8-) VM is addictive; one look and you'll wonder why you ever put up with LPARs...8-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
Don't forget to come along to the HILLGANG meetings where you'll find other people doing or have done what you're doing. On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 13:37 -0400, David Boyes wrote: Also, there's probably some one around DC who'll spare you a morning to get you started on your VM install and ops. It's really one page; not much to know, and remember, the first taste is free...8-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
zVM is definitively the way to go, our experience in zVM was none and still we were able to install/configure zVM without major problems. If your are still going to use CentOS instead of RedHat or SUSE you may want to take a look at the following RedBook, it's oriented to RedHat so it should also apply to CentOS. The first chapters talk about zVM installation: http://linuxvm.org/Present/misc/virt-cookbook-RH5.pdf. Regards, -Jose -Original Message- From: David Boyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IOCDS for Redhat *) I've been trying to that VM trial for several weeks. IBM has not been helpful. If I ever get it, I'll have to learn VM but that's OK with me. I've forwarded your note to a couple IBMers who should be able to crack something loose for you. If not, they'll find out why. Also, there's probably some one around DC who'll spare you a morning to get you started on your VM install and ops. It's really one page; not much to know, and remember, the first taste is free...8-) VM is addictive; one look and you'll wonder why you ever put up with LPARs...8-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Scanned by McAfee SCM1 Scanned by Triple-S SCM1 - *Attention* This electronic message, including any attachments, contains information that may be legally confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error and delete it from your system.
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 1:33 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *) I've been trying to that VM trial for several weeks. IBM has not been helpful. If I ever get it, I'll have to learn VM but that's OK with me. I can get that fixed. Len Santalucia of IBM will help out. Stay tuned off-list. *) I was not able to find a RHEL trial, I'll go look again. Brad Hinson should be able to fix that. Red Hat recently (?) changed their download policy. Now everything goes through some sort of gatekeeper now, and the web site doesn't talk about System z at all. :( Or, plug you could go to http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=HfBRh4TspiE~ for a no-cost 180-day trial of SLES10 SP1./plug :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
I've no problem with the plug but our Linux guys use Red Hat on the other servers. Since it's an uphill swim already, I've gotta go with the path of least resistance. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -Original Message- From: Mark Post [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:59 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IOCDS for Redhat On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 1:33 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *) I've been trying to that VM trial for several weeks. IBM has not been helpful. If I ever get it, I'll have to learn VM but that's OK with me. I can get that fixed. Len Santalucia of IBM will help out. Stay tuned off-list. *) I was not able to find a RHEL trial, I'll go look again. Brad Hinson should be able to fix that. Red Hat recently (?) changed their download policy. Now everything goes through some sort of gatekeeper now, and the web site doesn't talk about System z at all. :( Or, plug you could go to http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=HfBRh4TspiE~ for a no-cost 180-day trial of SLES10 SP1./plug :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IOCDS for Redhat
The link to the Red Hat trial is: http://www.redhat.com/rhel/details/eval/ Shoot me a note after you fill out that form and I'll get the request expedited. -Brad On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 14:14 -0400, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: I've no problem with the plug but our Linux guys use Red Hat on the other servers. Since it's an uphill swim already, I've gotta go with the path of least resistance. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -Original Message- From: Mark Post [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:59 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IOCDS for Redhat On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 1:33 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *) I've been trying to that VM trial for several weeks. IBM has not been helpful. If I ever get it, I'll have to learn VM but that's OK with me. I can get that fixed. Len Santalucia of IBM will help out. Stay tuned off-list. *) I was not able to find a RHEL trial, I'll go look again. Brad Hinson should be able to fix that. Red Hat recently (?) changed their download policy. Now everything goes through some sort of gatekeeper now, and the web site doesn't talk about System z at all. :( Or, plug you could go to http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=HfBRh4TspiE~ for a no-cost 180-day trial of SLES10 SP1./plug :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Brad Hinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Support Engineer Lead, System z Red Hat, Inc. (919) 754-4198 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
