Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope, I still get the same message. Mary, try right-clicking and saving the document -- that often works for some reason. Or try another browser. Or try it from home... ...phsiii -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:36:50 -0400 Phil Smith III said: Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope, I still get the same message. Mary, try right-clicking and saving the document -- that often works for some reason. Or try another browser. Or try it from home... I don't remember specific levels, but there are also some levels of Acrobat reader 5 and 6 that have problems with some valid PDFs that they should be able to read. The message given is the corrupted PDF message. We discovered it a while ago, and had to make a big push recently to upgrade Acrobat Reader because one of the popular applications on campus created PDFs that caused this to happen a lot. /ahw ...phsiii -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:30 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info What would the goal of your POC be? z/VM does many things well - but running one thing only like one Oracle machine is not advisable. Run multiple Oracle machines in your POC. Be careful when comparing performance; show many virtual machines running Oracle, not one. Think business case. Show license savings and the excellent vertical and horizontal growth potential with z/VM in IFLs. Rapid deployment. I have no idea what SOA is other than vaporware and white papers, but, hey, if it's good for z/VM, I like it! David -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 3:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Thanks for your input everyone. Here are some answers to your questions. The driving forces here are pushing SOA. (I'm still trying to define what this means vs. our current processing architecture) I have seen some articles recently that point to Oracle on LINUX as being a good option for SOA. I am trying to find out what determines this. We currently run on a 2 CPU z-800 2066-0a2 (somewhere around 243 mips). We have a 2 LPAR multi-system sysplex for production running zos on one and zos.e on the other. Originally we had 1 Oracle data base on the zos.e side. And this worked well...for quite a while. We are now doing a lot more (9 data bases) and we are really juggling WLM to try to improve performance. We have divided the data bases over the 2 LPARS now. We have a lot of feeds coming in from other servers and users, replication, etc to keep the data base as current as possible for all the queries that come in. We also have 1 IFL (I believe 192 mips) running z/VM with a handful of LINUX (SLES 8) instances which are used mainly for file servers. One user successfully attempted to put Oracle on a LINUX instance a few years ago but their management chose another path before it was implemented. We are in the same branch with the DBAs so we have the possibility of laying out an Oracle instance in LINUX. We would like to do some type of proof of concept, but I've never done this before. Any and all suggestions/directions/comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone, Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richards.Bob Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Mary, It has been done quite successfully by numerous people on this list, but I am sure they want more specific information about your configuration in order to advise you further. Information like the number of databases, the number of servers, etc. License costs should be a definite pro. Also contact a local IBMer and see if you can subscribe to one of the z/Linux councils. Lots of good presentations available there, including one on Oracle just put out there recently by David Kreuter of VM-Resources Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are in the process of evaluating distributed database consolidations ourselves. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:30 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
If you know anybody talking Dutch, ask him/her what it means in Dutch, you will be surprised and never forget to smile when you hear SOA :) Marian --- Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
On 6/13/07, Marian Gasparovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you know anybody talking Dutch, ask him/her what it means in Dutch, you will be surprised and never forget to smile when you hear SOA :) Yep. That's probably why we hear a lot about it at conferences. The leaflets in the hospital waiting room state that when you have a SOA you should inform anyone you've been in contact with ;-) Rob ;-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
For those of us who don't know anyone who speaks Dutch, would you mind terribly providing some insight? Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! Marian Gasparovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDUTopic Subject 06/13/2007 07:55 Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU If you know anybody talking Dutch, ask him/her what it means in Dutch, you will be surprised and never forget to smile when you hear SOA :) Marian --- Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Well if you couldn't derive it based on Rob's comment, it is: Seksueel Overdraagbare Aandoening (Sexually Transmitted Disease) -Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:00 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info For those of us who don't know anyone who speaks Dutch, would you mind terribly providing some insight? Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! Marian Gasparovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Topic Subject 06/13/2007 07:55 Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU If you know anybody talking Dutch, ask him/her what it means in Dutch, you will be surprised and never forget to smile when you hear SOA :) Marian --- Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
SOA (was RE: Need z/VM-LINUX info
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Steve Mitchell For those of us who don't know anyone who speaks Dutch, would you mind terribly providing some insight? http://www.acronymfinder.com Second page of results for SOA.. -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kielek, Samuel Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:04 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Well if you couldn't derive it based on Rob's comment, it is: Seksueel Overdraagbare Aandoening (Sexually Transmitted Disease) -Sam Oh, gee, like THANKS A LOT. Now I won't be able to sit in any meeting where SOA is mentioned without suppressing laughter or at least have a weird smile flit across my face. GRIN -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Enter SOA Dutch into your favorite Google, don't even click on the first link, just read it. Marian --- Steve Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of us who don't know anyone who speaks Dutch, would you mind terribly providing some insight? Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! Marian Gasparovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Topic Subject 06/13/2007 07:55 Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU If you know anybody talking Dutch, ask him/her what it means in Dutch, you will be surprised and never forget to smile when you hear SOA :) Marian --- Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
SOA (was: Need z/VM-LINUX info)
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 07:16, Evans, Kevin R wrote: I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. I've always thought it meant Service Occasionally Available. :-) - MacK. - Edmund R. MacKenty Software Architect Rocket Software, Inc. Newton, MA USA -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Nope, I still get the same message. Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Try it again. I re-uploaded it, and it seems to check out now. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Link worked OK for me K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Nope, I still get the same message. Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Try it again. I re-uploaded it, and it seems to check out now. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
The 'trade press' doesn't help, either. Every article has a different definition. Every 'consultant/analyst' report/insert your favorite color here -paper says everyone should be doing 'it', and if you're not, you're not 'agile', or competitive, or ... Major FUD factor here. And then the next article discusses how expensive it is, but that you should not look at/for ROI on all that investment in money, time, etc, but instead look at businesss flexibility and agility. 'They' talk about 'it' here, too, a lot, and the SOA term is thrown around very liberally, but more because it's the 'in' thing, and because 'Gartner says... ', than anything else. Cynically, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/13/2007 4:16 AM I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. K -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Every article has a different definition. Every 'consultant/analyst' report/insert your favorite color here -paper says everyone should be doing 'it', and if you're not, you're not 'agile', or competitive, or ... Major FUD factor here. Is it just me, or does no one in the computer science field get taught how to do basic literature searches for past inventions? *Major* ancient history. All SOA is is a way to wrap existing apps in a framework, find the apps in a directory, and communicate input and results in a standardized way. Doesn't solve the problem of who can use the app, how it should be used, or whether the app is even useful in that form. It's just a rehash of object wrapper/broker capability published in the XNS Reference Architecture circa 1972 or so. Or NCS. Or Corba. Or DOM. Or any of dozens of other distributed object reference technologies over the past 3-4 decades. I annoy numerous people every time I point out that there is absolutely nothing new about this concept, and have them actually do the homework on how their SOA commentary or strategy is different that the dozen or so times this has been tried before. I ask them to focus on why the previous efforts failed, both technically and organizationally. Usually, they don't come back. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Mary, Try right-clicking on the link, downloading it to your local machine, and opening it locally. You might have the bug in some of the Windows browsers that caused bad parms to be passed to plugins. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Sorry Dave, But this is one of my pet peeves, here. I probably should have pulled out my Soapbox On. Is it just me, or does no one in the computer science field get taught how to do basic literature searches for past inventions? Doesn't really matter what is being taught. The problem, here, at least, and probably other places, is that management isn't doing basic literature searches, whether or not they know/were taught how. Here, we seem to be suffering from Drive-by Management (from Scott Adams' Dilbert), or Management by Airline Magazine/Consultant Report/... As the articles and reports change, so does the 'strategic direction'. Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/13/2007 9:24 AM snip. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:13:38 -0700 David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'trade press' doesn't help, either. Every article has a different definition. Every 'consultant/analyst' report/insert your favorite color here -paper says everyone should be doing 'it', and if you're not, you're not 'agile', or competitive, or ... Major FUD factor here. The consultant and analyst exist to sell their own services, which require that they are therefore the only one doing the right version of something you need to be. Even more impressive is the business model used by some market analysts and trend analysts who ask everyone what they are doing, summarize the answer and sell it back to the people the asked. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
But this is one of my pet peeves, here. Doesn't really matter what is being taught. The problem, here, at least, and probably other places, is that management isn't doing basic literature searches, whether or not they know/were taught how. Mine too. I suppose it's not limited to CS -- I used to get the same problem when I taught business students as well. Annoying as all get out. A few students got a real surprise when they asked me why I failed their design essays as plagiarism. Here, we seem to be suffering from Drive-by Management (from Scott Adams' Dilbert), or Management by Airline Magazine/Consultant Report/... As the articles and reports change, so does the 'strategic direction'. One leads to the other, I'm afraid. They don't know what's been done before, and thus have no effective BS detector. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
I find some of the reasoning in this thread very interesting. We are in the middle of moving a lot of our Oracle out of AIX and SUN to zVM/Linux. This was done to improve RAS and to reduce Oracle-batch turn-around time. We use RAC not only to improve availability but also to separate batch from on-line processing. We are now contemplating Oracle under zOS (we have DB2) for those applications that require even better availability. When you think about it, zOS is rock solid compared to Linux. SOA, which is being pursued by our developers, has not come up as a reason not to move to zOS. I am going to ask the question. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
actually I find linux rock solid. 200 servers; production 1+ year; no linux software outages. Nuthin' wrong with that! David -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Yu Safin Sent: Wed 6/13/2007 1:19 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info I find some of the reasoning in this thread very interesting. We are in the middle of moving a lot of our Oracle out of AIX and SUN to zVM/Linux. This was done to improve RAS and to reduce Oracle-batch turn-around time. We use RAC not only to improve availability but also to separate batch from on-line processing. We are now contemplating Oracle under zOS (we have DB2) for those applications that require even better availability. When you think about it, zOS is rock solid compared to Linux. SOA, which is being pursued by our developers, has not come up as a reason not to move to zOS. I am going to ask the question. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
We are now contemplating Oracle under zOS (we have DB2) for those applications that require even better availability. When you think about it, zOS is rock solid compared to Linux. It better be. There's certainly been a bunch of code written to make sure that it is. SOA, which is being pursued by our developers, has not come up as a reason not to move to zOS. I am going to ask the question. It won't come up. IBM and others have spent a fair amount of money making sure that Linux and z/OS can participate (mostly to save older apps from moving off the platform). It's not cheap to do, though -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
On 6/13/07, David Kreuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually I find linux rock solid. 200 servers; production 1+ year; no linux software outages. Nuthin' wrong with that! David David, No disagreement here. We have been running Linux for z-Series for over two years without a single incident. Compared to AIX and SUN I would say hardly any difference even when Linux is the new kid in the block. I was the one who championed Linux.around here but I have also been very clear that it is a newer OS compared to the other OS so it may show up when you least expect it. I guess I have beent trying to set up an expectation. I have also being with zOS/MVS since 1982. The difference is that zOS can handle more hic ups than Linux without an impact. I saw that over and over again early on in my career when we spent a lot of money in fault-tolerant systems just to see MVS be more reliable with higher availability. You alwys pay more when you go from 99.99% availability to 99.%. That is the level I am talking about. It is not always the best use of money unless your business demand it (think NASA). -- Yours truly, Yu -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Shouldn't you have had a Soapbox On/ there ? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Stuart Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:45 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Sorry Dave, But this is one of my pet peeves, here. I probably should have pulled out my Soapbox On. Is it just me, or does no one in the computer science field get taught how to do basic literature searches for past inventions? Doesn't really matter what is being taught. The problem, here, at least, and probably other places, is that management isn't doing basic literature searches, whether or not they know/were taught how. Here, we seem to be suffering from Drive-by Management (from Scott Adams' Dilbert), or Management by Airline Magazine/Consultant Report/... As the articles and reports change, so does the 'strategic direction'. Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/13/2007 9:24 AM snip. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Hmm, that's strange. I still can't get to it. I can get to the DGTIC - one, but not the Nationwide - one. Anyone have any suggestions? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:11 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Link worked OK for me K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Nope, I still get the same message. Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Try it again. I re-uploaded it, and it seems to check out now. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Never mind, I went to the web site and was able to find it without the link. I was then able to open it. Thanks! Mary :-) -Original Message- From: Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:22 PM To: 'Linux on 390 Port' Subject: RE: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hmm, that's strange. I still can't get to it. I can get to the DGTIC - one, but not the Nationwide - one. Anyone have any suggestions? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:11 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Link worked OK for me K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Nope, I still get the same message. Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Try it again. I re-uploaded it, and it seems to check out now. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” George Santayana Evans, Kevin R wrote: Is it just me, or does no one in the computer science field get taught how to do basic literature searches for past inventions? Doesn't really matter what is being taught. The problem, here, at least, and probably other places, is that management isn't doing basic literature searches, whether or not they know/were taught how. Here, we seem to be suffering from Drive-by Management (from Scott Adams' Dilbert), or Management by Airline Magazine/Consultant Report/... As the articles and reports change, so does the 'strategic direction'. -- DJ V/Soft -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:47:53 -0500 Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” George Santayana History repeats itself, it has to as nobody is listening -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it George Santayana And do an even worse job at making the same mistakes. *grump* -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Need z/VM-LINUX info
Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Mary, It has been done quite successfully by numerous people on this list, but I am sure they want more specific information about your configuration in order to advise you further. Information like the number of databases, the number of servers, etc. License costs should be a definite pro. Also contact a local IBMer and see if you can subscribe to one of the z/Linux councils. Lots of good presentations available there, including one on Oracle just put out there recently by David Kreuter of VM-Resources Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are in the process of evaluating distributed database consolidations ourselves. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:30 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Take a look at the following presentations: DGTIC - http://www.linuxvm.org/present/SHARE108/S9230.pdf Nationwide - http://www.linuxvm.org/present/SHARE107/S9212jv.pdf Also, the latest edition of z/Journal has an article on DGTIC and its migration of Oracle databases. Neale On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 06:30 -0500, Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM wrote: Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
It sounds interesting to me. At the DGTIC in Quebec we have almost 200 servers running Oracle on 3 IFLs. None of this was work drained from z/OS. First off I would do the math; if you are new to z/VM, does the cost of IFL(s) and z/VM offset the reduction in MIPS of you remove Oracle from z/OS? Will your z/OS licensing costs be reduced? If yes this may be a winning strategy. What are the future growth plans? I'd be sad to Oracle repatriated to another platform. With Oracle the license is per IFL, not image - so you may be able to run a lot of Oracle critters with few licenses. Don't think you will achieve that licensing savings on Unix. But it depends on how many servers you will be running Oracle on. Is this all data centre or do you have an application or management sponsor? David Kreuter -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 7:30 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Thanks for your input everyone. Here are some answers to your questions. The driving forces here are pushing SOA. (I'm still trying to define what this means vs. our current processing architecture) I have seen some articles recently that point to Oracle on LINUX as being a good option for SOA. I am trying to find out what determines this. We currently run on a 2 CPU z-800 2066-0a2 (somewhere around 243 mips). We have a 2 LPAR multi-system sysplex for production running zos on one and zos.e on the other. Originally we had 1 Oracle data base on the zos.e side. And this worked well...for quite a while. We are now doing a lot more (9 data bases) and we are really juggling WLM to try to improve performance. We have divided the data bases over the 2 LPARS now. We have a lot of feeds coming in from other servers and users, replication, etc to keep the data base as current as possible for all the queries that come in. We also have 1 IFL (I believe 192 mips) running z/VM with a handful of LINUX (SLES 8) instances which are used mainly for file servers. One user successfully attempted to put Oracle on a LINUX instance a few years ago but their management chose another path before it was implemented. We are in the same branch with the DBAs so we have the possibility of laying out an Oracle instance in LINUX. We would like to do some type of proof of concept, but I've never done this before. Any and all suggestions/directions/comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone, Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richards.Bob Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Mary, It has been done quite successfully by numerous people on this list, but I am sure they want more specific information about your configuration in order to advise you further. Information like the number of databases, the number of servers, etc. License costs should be a definite pro. Also contact a local IBMer and see if you can subscribe to one of the z/Linux councils. Lots of good presentations available there, including one on Oracle just put out there recently by David Kreuter of VM-Resources Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are in the process of evaluating distributed database consolidations ourselves. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:30 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Thanks, Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neale Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:10 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Take a look at the following presentations: DGTIC - http://www.linuxvm.org/present/SHARE108/S9230.pdf Nationwide - http://www.linuxvm.org/present/SHARE107/S9212jv.pdf Also, the latest edition of z/Journal has an article on DGTIC and its migration of Oracle databases. Neale On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 06:30 -0500, Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM wrote: Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Try it again. I re-uploaded it, and it seems to check out now. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
What would the goal of your POC be? z/VM does many things well - but running one thing only like one Oracle machine is not advisable. Run multiple Oracle machines in your POC. Be careful when comparing performance; show many virtual machines running Oracle, not one. Think business case. Show license savings and the excellent vertical and horizontal growth potential with z/VM in IFLs. Rapid deployment. I have no idea what SOA is other than vaporware and white papers, but, hey, if it's good for z/VM, I like it! David -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 3:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Thanks for your input everyone. Here are some answers to your questions. The driving forces here are pushing SOA. (I'm still trying to define what this means vs. our current processing architecture) I have seen some articles recently that point to Oracle on LINUX as being a good option for SOA. I am trying to find out what determines this. We currently run on a 2 CPU z-800 2066-0a2 (somewhere around 243 mips). We have a 2 LPAR multi-system sysplex for production running zos on one and zos.e on the other. Originally we had 1 Oracle data base on the zos.e side. And this worked well...for quite a while. We are now doing a lot more (9 data bases) and we are really juggling WLM to try to improve performance. We have divided the data bases over the 2 LPARS now. We have a lot of feeds coming in from other servers and users, replication, etc to keep the data base as current as possible for all the queries that come in. We also have 1 IFL (I believe 192 mips) running z/VM with a handful of LINUX (SLES 8) instances which are used mainly for file servers. One user successfully attempted to put Oracle on a LINUX instance a few years ago but their management chose another path before it was implemented. We are in the same branch with the DBAs so we have the possibility of laying out an Oracle instance in LINUX. We would like to do some type of proof of concept, but I've never done this before. Any and all suggestions/directions/comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone, Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richards.Bob Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Mary, It has been done quite successfully by numerous people on this list, but I am sure they want more specific information about your configuration in order to advise you further. Information like the number of databases, the number of servers, etc. License costs should be a definite pro. Also contact a local IBMer and see if you can subscribe to one of the z/Linux councils. Lots of good presentations available there, including one on Oracle just put out there recently by David Kreuter of VM-Resources Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are in the process of evaluating distributed database consolidations ourselves. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:30 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
