Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-12 Thread John Summerfield

rapp0...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Mark!

I really appreciate your comments - it is nice to know us novices didn't
screw things up!

We had considered every other alternative in preference to creating a 'boot
cart' and *then* performing the rest of the install off a DVD  that was
loaded into the HMC's DVD drive, but we always found some
technical/political reason why that would not be worth trying.

You mention creating two DVD's, and IPLing from the DVD reader within the
HMC - do you mean IPL'ing from the DVD directly?
I do not think that that is possible, because we need to specify an MVS
device address in the Activation Profile.
(I have a vague recollection of confguring an HMC workstation to emulate an
'internal reader' function, but I did not investigate further, because it
sounded a bit obscure to me, I guess I missed a trick there...)

One a similar vein, I used Windows/XP's Roxio Creator to 'burn an ISO image'
to DVD.

A friendly face on this forum suggested that a Windows-based DVD burn *would
not* properly create diectories, hard or symbolic links, thus rendering the
DVD corrupt from a Linux point of view.
I have had suspicions about my DVD burning techniques(!), and have spent
some time 'surfing the web' to confirm that burning software CD/DVDs is
fraught with problems.

Would it be true to say that I *must* burn the SLES DVD with a linux DVD
burner?


No.
I've used freeware imageburn (imgburn?) on Windows. That's fine. I've
used Nera that came with a DVD burner. It gets associated with .iso
files and does the right thing.

It's easy to test whether you've done it properly: insert disk in drive
on your windows box, and see what files are on it.

One file, you've stuffed it.
More than one, almost certainly it's okay.

The DVD image is a file. One can write any kind of file to optical media
- I once put a tarball onto CD accidentally. What is important is
agreement between the writer and the reader, and th ISO9660 standard
provides that agreement. However, Apple does things a little
differently, and Joliet is a MSFT  non-standard.



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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-12 Thread Clovis Pereira
 there's been a Boot from CD or FTP server capability in the HMC

If you have few time to use HMC, or the access is restrict, you can test
your media (CD/DVD) at home before use them.
It is possible on a workstation using Hercules 3.06 (Windows or Linux
flavor), command ipl_dvd.
If the DVD boots on Hercules, it will boot on HMC without problems. I use
this way to test media wrote from ISO files.
Regards, Clovis.

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-12 Thread Mark Post
 On 2/12/2009 at  7:45 AM, Clovis Pereira gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote: 
  there's been a Boot from CD or FTP server capability in the HMC
 
 If you have few time to use HMC, or the access is restrict, you can test
 your media (CD/DVD) at home before use them.

With SLES10, you can actually insert the media into a PC and boot from it.  It 
should bring up the rescue system.  From there, you can mount the DVD, 
configure the NIC, and start the NFS server to act as an installation server 
for your mainframe.  This also would act as a good test of the burning process. 
 ;)


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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-12 Thread Clovis Pereira

Very good.
I didn't know this. Going to experiment...
I hope other distros can work this way, to facilitate our life.
I'm trying to install one Debian ETCH for a month, on my free time, without
success. For my own knowledge, so, without any support, yet... With SLES I
didn't have any problem...
Thanks a lot, Mark.
Clovis.



   
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 On 2/12/2009 at  7:45 AM, Clovis Pereira gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote:
  there's been a Boot from CD or FTP server capability in the HMC

 If you have few time to use HMC, or the access is restrict, you can test
 your media (CD/DVD) at home before use them.

With SLES10, you can actually insert the media into a PC and boot from it.
It should bring up the rescue system.  From there, you can mount the DVD,
configure the NIC, and start the NFS server to act as an installation
server for your mainframe.  This also would act as a good test of the
burning process.  ;)


Mark Post

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-11 Thread rapp0...@googlemail.com
Hi Mark!

I really appreciate your comments - it is nice to know us novices didn't
screw things up!

We had considered every other alternative in preference to creating a 'boot
cart' and *then* performing the rest of the install off a DVD  that was
loaded into the HMC's DVD drive, but we always found some
technical/political reason why that would not be worth trying.

You mention creating two DVD's, and IPLing from the DVD reader within the
HMC - do you mean IPL'ing from the DVD directly?
I do not think that that is possible, because we need to specify an MVS
device address in the Activation Profile.
(I have a vague recollection of confguring an HMC workstation to emulate an
'internal reader' function, but I did not investigate further, because it
sounded a bit obscure to me, I guess I missed a trick there...)

One a similar vein, I used Windows/XP's Roxio Creator to 'burn an ISO image'
to DVD.

A friendly face on this forum suggested that a Windows-based DVD burn *would
not* properly create diectories, hard or symbolic links, thus rendering the
DVD corrupt from a Linux point of view.
I have had suspicions about my DVD burning techniques(!), and have spent
some time 'surfing the web' to confirm that burning software CD/DVDs is
fraught with problems.

Would it be true to say that I *must* burn the SLES DVD with a linux DVD
burner?

If you are in the UK, Mark I would appreciate a telephone conversation (no
committments offloaded on to you, I promise!), and I can provide my contact
details.

regards
Rapp





On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote:

  On 2/10/2009 at  1:10 AM, bruce woodley rapp0...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 -snip-
  (The Suse SLES10 SP1/SP2 install failed because of mismatch between the
  TAPEIPL modules and the memory resident INITRD file system. I guess no
 one
  at Suse/Novell thought anyone would install via a TAPEIPL in an native
 LPAR,
  so did not test it... :-( )

 That's kind of hard to believe, but it appears you are right.  :(
 TAPEIPL.IKR
 Linux version 2.6.16.54-0.2.5-default (ge...@buildhost) (gcc version 4.1.2
 20070115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP Mon Apr 14 17:24:07 UTC 2008

 VMRDR.IKR
 Linux version 2.6.16.60-0.21-default (ge...@buildhost) (gcc version 4.1.2
 20070115 (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP Tue May 6 12:41:02 UTC 2008

 I have no idea why no one else has run into this before.  I know lots of
 people have been doing LPAR installs.  Please try making a second copy of
 the DVD and IPLing from the DVD reader in the HMC.  That should work, and
 won't require any network access to get the IPL started.  In the meantime,
 I'm going to have a little, umm, chat with our QA folks.


 Mark

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-11 Thread Mark Post
 On 2/11/2009 at  4:05 PM, rapp0...@googlemail.com 
 rapp0...@googlemail.com
wrote: 
-snip-
 You mention creating two DVD's, and IPLing from the DVD reader within the
 HMC - do you mean IPL'ing from the DVD directly?
 I do not think that that is possible, because we need to specify an MVS
 device address in the Activation Profile.

No, there's been a Boot from CD or FTP server capability in the HMC for quite 
a long while now.  The downside to this is that once the Linux installer is up, 
it cannot access the DVD for the rest of the installation files, so you still 
need a server on the network to provide that.  (If you had z/VM installed, you 
could use the SLES10 Starter System for the installation source, but you said 
there's no way for that to happen.)

-snip-
 Would it be true to say that I *must* burn the SLES DVD with a linux DVD
 burner?

Absolutely not.  It's not the OS that does the burning of the media that 
matters, so much as it's the OS that serves up the media to the installation 
routines.  In the past, those of both SUSE and Red Hat have been sensitive to 
that, but it shouldn't be the case any more.

 If you are in the UK, Mark I would appreciate a telephone conversation (no
 committments offloaded on to you, I promise!), and I can provide my contact
 details.

No, I'm not in the UK, but that doesn't mean we can't talk.  Send me your info 
off list and we'll try to set up a time.


Mark Post

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-11 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 02/11/2009 at 04:06 EST, rapp0...@googlemail.com
rapp0...@googlemail.com wrote:

 You mention creating two DVD's, and IPLing from the DVD reader within
the
 HMC - do you mean IPL'ing from the DVD directly?
 I do not think that that is possible, because we need to specify an MVS
 device address in the Activation Profile.

You can IPL any LPAR from DVD, and you can specify the DVD in the
activation profile if you want it to IPL from DVD every time.  (Such as is
done on a z10 with the z/VM Evaluation Edition.)

 Would it be true to say that I *must* burn the SLES DVD with a linux DVD
 burner?

If you're burning from an .iso file, no.  The .iso file is a raw
uncompressed image that doesn't care about the organization of the media
contents, so it can contain an ISO 9660 or ISO 13346 (UDF) disk image. The
capabilities of the system that is burning or creating the .iso file
doesn't matter.

Actually accessing the *content* of the newly-burned media is an equine
that radiates energy at a different wavelength.

If the DVD is in UDF format, I would expect Windows XP or Vista to be able
to read it and follow the hard/soft links, as it is part of the UDF
standard.  If the DVD contains a UDF bridge to ISO 9660, then Windows
probably won't follow the links since Windows' support for ISO 9660 does
not include the Rock Ridge extensions that hold the POSIX data.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-10 Thread John Summerfield

bruce woodley wrote:

I am a newbie to Linux on z, but I have been given the go-ahead to install a
linux on z system subject to the constraints:


I thought you were making fine music!


1) I keep it quiet to avoid offending our Solaris admins
2) do not invite fee-charging external consultants
3) not not install z/VM
4) do not compromise the integrity of existing Mainframe-based systems

I work for a retail company in England, and I have proposed making use of
our normally idle Disaster Recovery mainframe (a z990 3-x model) to install
either Suse or Red Hat Linux distributions.


I/we elected to use the Native LPAR install method, using the tape loader
and install DVD inserted into the HMC.
Native LPAR because we do not (currently!) have z/VM, and
tape loader (tapeipl.ikr, parmfile, etc on a cart), followed by installing
packages on the DVD within the HMC, because our D/R network is isolated so
that I can't access a suitable server.

(The Suse SLES10 SP1/SP2 install failed because of mismatch between the
TAPEIPL modules and the memory resident INITRD file system. I guess no one
at Suse/Novell thought anyone would install via a TAPEIPL in an native LPAR,
so did not test it... :-( )

So I tried RHEL 5.2 which looked much more promising...

RHEL 5.2 booted off the tape, and I specified the configuration paramteer
values, and then Anaconda install intialised itself.

However during the very first rpm package install of
system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm, the following error message
dialog box is displayed:
Package Installation
 Error
The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm cannot be opened.
This is due to a missing file, a corrupt package, or a missing header
Please verify your installation source..
etc.
REBOOT   RETRY

Now, I regestered myself on  the Red Hat site, and downloaded a trial copy
of their distro.
I have noted the Installation Number, and I believe I have entered it in
correctly when I tried the install.

I have also been meticulous in checking the accurary of the DVD image when I
downloaded it (to a Windows Vista PC)

MD5 Verification:Run md5sum *.iso

I used Windows-Vista  Roxio CD/DVD burner to burn the ISO image to a DVD..


I have tried running through the RHEL 5.1 install several times, specifying
different install packages, but rpm validity checking always fails when
attempting to install system-config-services (which I guess is always the
1st package to install).


I am at a loss to work out what the most likely cause of this error is:

1) invalid entering of Instalation Number (does rpm use this unique key?),


rpm does not, but Anaconda does.



2) invalid or corrupt DVD (I would have thought unlikely, given that I
successfully extracted tapeipl.ikr and Initrd etc off it).

3) newbie ingnorance (a most likely cause?!)

I have *not* contacted Red Hat support directly, because I may get billed,
or an enterprising salesman may come knocking on my Department Managers
door.


I don't know, but I would expect some level of free support for
prospective customers. However, keeping it quiet becomes more difficult.




In order to generate some interest in Linux on a Mainframe, I have to
demonstrate what is possible without resorting to:

additional software (z/VM), or

additional costs (experienced consultants).

Both software and consultants can come later - once I have generated
sufficient interest by demonstrating a real system.


I am submitting this post in the hope that a more experienced individual may
provide me with some pointers that will help me make a success of Linux on
Mainframe!


I like to install Linux over a network. If you can get a PC close enough
(on the wire) that is a good start.

I've recently been deploying Windows using Linux. I downloaded the
systemrescuecd and followed obstructions to create a bootable USB drive.
There are instructions for doing this on Widows and on Linux. I used a 1
Gbyte USB disk, five bucks from the local officeworks.

I found once I have the USB booting, I can customise it further as I go.
All that's needed is a script or ten in the USB disk's root directory,
and vim is one of the text editors included.

One of the boot options it to cache itself in RAM, so as soon as it's
going I can pull the USB drive and put it safely in my pocket.

It includes an NFS server (that's what you need to serve up the install
image), ssh client and server, and if you must, a GUI.

The other possibility for practice, is to download hercules (I think
it's included in Fedora) and emulate a zSeries at home. It's not as
fast, but it is _very_ quiet.




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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-10 Thread Brad Hinson

rapp0...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Jax!
That was quick - I was anticipating a turn-around time of 24 hours or so!

I believe that we did find this rpm directory on the DVD, (along with many
others), but we were not able to rpm -V it because we do not have any linux
(of any distro on any platform) at work.

However, I have been given a Solaris Live CD (by the Solaris admins!),but I
do not think Sun use rpm packaging method, so I do not think that this would
help me.



Can you use the Solaris Live CD to boot a system on the same network
(possibly a laptop)?  If so, one idea is to boot Solaris on the laptop,
mount the DVD locally, then share that out via NFS/HTTP/FTP.  Then you
could perform a network install and point to this system.  This assumes
though, that you can eject the Solaris Live CD, or you have an external
DVD drive though.

If not, you can download a Fedora 10 LiveCD:

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

You can boot with the command-line option live_ram.  If you have
roughly 1 GB RAM or more, this option loads everything into RAM so you
can eject the DVD and reuse the drive.  Then use that as the
NFS/HTTP/FTP installation server.

-Brad


On my Fedora system at home, I do not have a DVD drive, so I cant rpm -V
there.


I will pass on your response to some mainframers within my team at work, and
see if we can see a way forward.

regards
rapp01




On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jack Woehr j...@well.com wrote:


bruce woodley wrote:


Package Installation
Error
The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm cannot be opened.
This is due to a missing file, a corrupt package, or a missing header
Please verify your installation source..
etc.
REBOOT   RETRY




 One think you could check is whether or not the file

system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm
is or is not present anywhere on the DVD. If it is not you can probably
find it somewhere and compose
yourself a new ISO with the missing file present.

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Post
 On 2/10/2009 at  1:10 AM, bruce woodley rapp0...@googlemail.com wrote: 
-snip-
 (The Suse SLES10 SP1/SP2 install failed because of mismatch between the
 TAPEIPL modules and the memory resident INITRD file system. I guess no one
 at Suse/Novell thought anyone would install via a TAPEIPL in an native LPAR,
 so did not test it... :-( )

That's kind of hard to believe, but it appears you are right.  :(
TAPEIPL.IKR
Linux version 2.6.16.54-0.2.5-default (ge...@buildhost) (gcc version 4.1.2 
20070115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP Mon Apr 14 17:24:07 UTC 2008

VMRDR.IKR
Linux version 2.6.16.60-0.21-default (ge...@buildhost) (gcc version 4.1.2 
20070115 (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP Tue May 6 12:41:02 UTC 2008

I have no idea why no one else has run into this before.  I know lots of people 
have been doing LPAR installs.  Please try making a second copy of the DVD and 
IPLing from the DVD reader in the HMC.  That should work, and won't require any 
network access to get the IPL started.  In the meantime, I'm going to have a 
little, umm, chat with our QA folks.


Mark

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RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-09 Thread bruce woodley
I am a newbie to Linux on z, but I have been given the go-ahead to install a
linux on z system subject to the constraints:
1) I keep it quiet to avoid offending our Solaris admins
2) do not invite fee-charging external consultants
3) not not install z/VM
4) do not compromise the integrity of existing Mainframe-based systems

I work for a retail company in England, and I have proposed making use of
our normally idle Disaster Recovery mainframe (a z990 3-x model) to install
either Suse or Red Hat Linux distributions.


I/we elected to use the Native LPAR install method, using the tape loader
and install DVD inserted into the HMC.
Native LPAR because we do not (currently!) have z/VM, and
tape loader (tapeipl.ikr, parmfile, etc on a cart), followed by installing
packages on the DVD within the HMC, because our D/R network is isolated so
that I can't access a suitable server.

(The Suse SLES10 SP1/SP2 install failed because of mismatch between the
TAPEIPL modules and the memory resident INITRD file system. I guess no one
at Suse/Novell thought anyone would install via a TAPEIPL in an native LPAR,
so did not test it... :-( )

So I tried RHEL 5.2 which looked much more promising...

RHEL 5.2 booted off the tape, and I specified the configuration paramteer
values, and then Anaconda install intialised itself.

However during the very first rpm package install of
system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm, the following error message
dialog box is displayed:
Package Installation
 Error
The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm cannot be opened.
This is due to a missing file, a corrupt package, or a missing header
Please verify your installation source..
etc.
REBOOT   RETRY

Now, I regestered myself on  the Red Hat site, and downloaded a trial copy
of their distro.
I have noted the Installation Number, and I believe I have entered it in
correctly when I tried the install.

I have also been meticulous in checking the accurary of the DVD image when I
downloaded it (to a Windows Vista PC)

MD5 Verification:Run md5sum *.iso

I used Windows-Vista  Roxio CD/DVD burner to burn the ISO image to a DVD..


I have tried running through the RHEL 5.1 install several times, specifying
different install packages, but rpm validity checking always fails when
attempting to install system-config-services (which I guess is always the
1st package to install).


I am at a loss to work out what the most likely cause of this error is:

1) invalid entering of Instalation Number (does rpm use this unique key?),

2) invalid or corrupt DVD (I would have thought unlikely, given that I
successfully extracted tapeipl.ikr and Initrd etc off it).

3) newbie ingnorance (a most likely cause?!)

I have *not* contacted Red Hat support directly, because I may get billed,
or an enterprising salesman may come knocking on my Department Managers
door.


In order to generate some interest in Linux on a Mainframe, I have to
demonstrate what is possible without resorting to:

additional software (z/VM), or

additional costs (experienced consultants).

Both software and consultants can come later - once I have generated
sufficient interest by demonstrating a real system.


I am submitting this post in the hope that a more experienced individual may
provide me with some pointers that will help me make a success of Linux on
Mainframe!


Regards

Rapp

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-09 Thread Jack Woehr

bruce woodley wrote:

Package Installation
 Error
The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm cannot be opened.
This is due to a missing file, a corrupt package, or a missing header
Please verify your installation source..
etc.
REBOOT   RETRY





One think you could check is whether or not the file
system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm
is or is not present anywhere on the DVD. If it is not you can probably
find it somewhere and compose
yourself a new ISO with the missing file present.

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-09 Thread rapp0...@googlemail.com
Hi Jax!
That was quick - I was anticipating a turn-around time of 24 hours or so!

I believe that we did find this rpm directory on the DVD, (along with many
others), but we were not able to rpm -V it because we do not have any linux
(of any distro on any platform) at work.

However, I have been given a Solaris Live CD (by the Solaris admins!),but I
do not think Sun use rpm packaging method, so I do not think that this would
help me.

On my Fedora system at home, I do not have a DVD drive, so I cant rpm -V
there.


I will pass on your response to some mainframers within my team at work, and
see if we can see a way forward.

regards
rapp01




On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jack Woehr j...@well.com wrote:

 bruce woodley wrote:

 Package Installation
 Error
 The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm cannot be opened.
 This is due to a missing file, a corrupt package, or a missing header
 Please verify your installation source..
 etc.
 REBOOT   RETRY




  One think you could check is whether or not the file
 system-config-services-0.9.4-1.e15.noarch.rpm
 is or is not present anywhere on the DVD. If it is not you can probably
 find it somewhere and compose
 yourself a new ISO with the missing file present.

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Re: RHEL 5.2 Native LPAR install problem: Anaconda reports rpm 'corruption' error when attempting to install first package

2009-02-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 02/10/2009 at 01:10 EST, bruce woodley
rapp0...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I have also been meticulous in checking the accurary of the DVD image
when I
 downloaded it (to a Windows Vista PC)

 MD5 Verification:Run md5sum *.iso

 I used Windows-Vista  Roxio CD/DVD burner to burn the ISO image to a
DVD.

 I have tried running through the RHEL 5.1 install several times,
specifying
 different install packages, but rpm validity checking always fails when
 attempting to install system-config-services (which I guess is always
the
 1st package to install).

IIRC, Windows doesn't support some of the DVD extensions used by Linux,
particularly if the filesystem has symbolic links in it.  Try putting the
DVD in a Linux or other Unix FTP server.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

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