Re: Fishin' for information
Brad, Below are two links to sites that list applications that have been ported to the mainframe linux platform. The first site is a listing of ISV venders that have ported their linux applications. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/solutions/s390da/linuxproduct.html This next site is a listing of IBM applications. You can download a matrix here. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/software.html Mark Post also maintains a website that has numerous links to other mainframe linux websites. http://linuxvm.org/ Being in a support role I work with many customers. I would have to say that the applications that are being run is a mixture. The most popular applications I can think of that many use are: Websphere, DB2, DB2 Connect, MQ, Tivoli, Oracle, Apache, Tomcat, Samba, Print applications, Regards, John IBM Advanced Technical Support Washington Systems Center, Endicott NY, 13760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 07/27/2005 01:14 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Fishin' for information All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? Booting the X terminals, yes, no problem. You want to carefully consider what the terminals are doing if you intend to use the platform as a compute server. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
Oh, goody. We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh, months. :-) But let's start off on the right foot: IBM System z9 109 on first reference, then z9-109 (note the dash and lack of slashes), please. It's one of those nasty trademark things. Evil Overlord note to self #32767: First against the wall when the revolution comes: lawyers and marketing droids who think up this kind of thing. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs product on zLinux? Yes. It's possible, but not practical unless you have an enormous amount of resources to burn in overhead. I can supply a desktop snapshot if you want to see it working, but at approximately 138:1 390 to Intel MIPS, I don't think you'd actually want to do anything real with it. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
No dash in IBM System z9 109. With dash as z9-109. Just like IBM eServer zSeries 990 vs. z990. Only different. We couldn't call it z9109 (no matter how way cool that would have been), so the dash makes its debut. Now don't ask me how one denotes the particular model of a z9-109. (z9-109-S52? Jim will have to tell us...) This is starting to sound like a spaceship name out of a EE Doc Smith space opera. Z9M9Z -- I can hardly wait for the arrival of the Arisians...8-( -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
I assume you have already memorized the first 100: http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html Jon snip Evil Overlord note to self #32767: First against the wall when the revolution comes: lawyers and marketing droids who think up this kind of thing. /snip -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
This has been a huge challenge for us. We are way overcommitting resources. The good thing is that VM handles it pretty well. -Original Message- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:12 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
With a 54-way System z/9-109? Sure... shogunx wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote: You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for 8000 users. I politely recommended that we NOT. -Original Message- From: shogunx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote: You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
That's funny. Surely, you made the correct choice... Little, Chris wrote: When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for 8000 users. I politely recommended that we NOT. -Original Message- From: shogunx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote: You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
It would have been interesting to try. -Original Message- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:29 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information That's funny. Surely, you made the correct choice... Little, Chris wrote: When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for 8000 users. I politely recommended that we NOT. -Original Message- From: shogunx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote: You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
WebSphere AS seems to be really taking off around here for several different things. I'd say the challenges are more political than technical. Getting all those server people to even consider that the mainframe as a viable platform has been difficult. Business conditions, though, with Sun in particular I think has help the mainframe side a great deal. Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:12 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Fishin' for information You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs product on zLinux? Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 Little, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 07/27/2005 01:47 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Fishin' for information It would have been interesting to try. -Original Message- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:29 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information That's funny. Surely, you made the correct choice... Little, Chris wrote: When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for 8000 users. I politely recommended that we NOT. -Original Message- From: shogunx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote: You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: Repeat after me, Slashes are for software...slashes are for software Silly me, I thought they were for disturbing fanfic. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Little, Chris wrote: It would have been interesting to try. It would have been quite painful. You can indeed boot NT just fine on Bochs on S/390 but I really can't recommend it. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Brad Brewer wrote: Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs product on zLinux? It works fine. But very inefficiently. You really don't want to go there, except to show that you *can*. http://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
Why is it that you wouldn't recommend it? Performance issues? Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 07/27/2005 01:53 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Fishin' for information On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Little, Chris wrote: It would have been interesting to try. It would have been quite painful. You can indeed boot NT just fine on Bochs on S/390 but I really can't recommend it. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
I guess this falls under the title 'Lord of the Protocols'. Perhaps a subtitle of 'Slashmaster' may be in order... :) Alan Altmark wrote: On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:23 EST, Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With a 54-way System z/9-109? Sure... Oh, goody. We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh, months. :-) But let's start off on the right foot: IBM System z9 109 on first reference, then z9-109 (note the dash and lack of slashes), please. It's one of those nasty trademark things. Repeat after me, Slashes are for software...slashes are for software ;-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Brad Brewer wrote: Why is it that you wouldn't recommend it? Performance issues? Yeah. x86 compute cycles are cheap. S/390 computer cycles are expensive. S/390 cycles being used to emulate x86 cycles are silly. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fishin' for information
Let's just stick with calling it the 2094 - no slash, spaces, dots, or even commas :) Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Little, Chris Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:53 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Fishin' for information so it's with the dash or without? (note to self: slashes are for hardware, slashes are for hardware . . . .) : -Original Message- From: Alan Altmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:23 EST, Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With a 54-way System z/9-109? Sure... Oh, goody. We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh, months. :-) But let's start off on the right foot: IBM System z9 109 on first reference, then z9-109 (note the dash and lack of slashes), please. It's one of those nasty trademark things. Repeat after me, Slashes are for software...slashes are for software ;-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Also, why do you want to emulate something as boring as an x86? Pick a *fun* system: http://www.fsf.net/~adam/Pitfall-on-390-desktop.png Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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I entirely agree, but outside those of use who know better ;, there is the myth that the mainframe is this unbelievable cpu workhorse. Therre are some here who equate mainframe with supercomputer. It is difficult to dispose of these ideas. Sometimes proof is the only antidote. -Original Message- From: Adam Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:54 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Little, Chris wrote: It would have been interesting to try. It would have been quite painful. You can indeed boot NT just fine on Bochs on S/390 but I really can't recommend it. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On 7/27/05, Richard Pinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was Hercules part of this entanglement? And if it was, was Hercules running under Linux or Windows? I'm not sure what Adam's arrangement was, but I've run Bochs on CentOS 3.4 for S/390 (RHEL 3 Update 4) under Hercules on Fedora Core 3 x86_64 on a dual processor 3.0 GHz Xeon with 2GB RAM and performance was pitiful even with two processors assigned to Hercules and 1GB RAM assigned. It took over an hour to install MS-DOS. -Tim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On 7/27/05, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Herc on a modern box would give you, what, about 40 MIPS? So it'd be about 1/5 the speed, which would be even more intolerable for actual work, but you could do it. I wrote a quick little benchmark yesterday to try to determine the theoretical maximum MIPS. I ran the test under the recently released CentOS 4.1 for S/390. When I ran the test using one processor I was able to hit about 50 MIPS. I then split it into four processes (I have 2 real processors + 2 hyperthreaded) and was able to get 76 MIPS. During actual Linux usage with multiple processors and multitasking I'm usually in the 40 - 60 MIPS range. As I said above, this on a dual 3.0 GHz Xeon system with 2GB RAM now running Fedora Core 4 x86_64. The benchmark program is just a little hack but if anyone wants to see it, here's the code: http://timbo87.home.comcast.net/temp/herc/benchmark.c -Tim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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That's funny. Surely, you made the correct choice... Don't call me Shirley... Some people are like Slinkies... Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Gordon Wolfe, Ph. D. (425)865-5940 VM Technical Services, The Boeing Company -- From: Rich Smrcina Reply To: Linux on 390 Port Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:29 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information That's funny. Surely, you made the correct choice... Little, Chris wrote: When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for 8000 users. I politely recommended that we NOT. -Original Message- From: shogunx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fishin' for information On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote: You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries. Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies. X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals? The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive. Brad Brewer wrote: All, I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other applications using zLinux? Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one? Thanks in advance. Brad Brewer Humana Inc. Technical Services System Software (502)580-3086 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
