Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Mark Post wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 10:52 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fuzzy Logic wrote: John, she posted times in EDT and CET. I see no reason why posting in the timezone of origination is not acceptable. Could you explain more clearly why giving times as she did is not okay? because, unless I missed something, this was a net meeting. Isn't that what Live Virtual Class means? You're assuming that anything being held on the net means the whole world is the target audience. That would be a bad assumption, particularly for companies such as IBM that have different products/licensing/pricing for different parts of the work. -snip- If you are inviting me, then tell me the time and date in something I can easily translate to my time. I have doubts you (or anyone else in Oz) was a target of the invitation. I've reread Pamela's invitation, and it doesn't support this view. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Looks like Tim is a little out of date now g 15-Aug-07 Microsoft Joins CalConnect: The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium welcomes Microsoft as a member of the Consortium Pulled directly from the CalConnect website. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hare, Tim Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:04 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) A slight correction - ICS (aka iCalendar or RFC 2445) files have dates in ISO format, but they are NOT required to be in UTC. The standard allows timezone definitions and references to them within the file. Often UTC is used because it makes it easier, but it's not required. They also allow floating time, expressly for some cases where you want to load events into your (insert name of device / user agent her) but you don't want to have to change the time zone on it when you travel.. for example, when I go to SHARE I get the events in floating time so I can just load them in the PDA and leave the time alone. Partly because of these, and other issues, there are many interoperability problems with calendars. The Calendar Scheduling Consortium (www.calconnect.org) exists to work on those issues, and has I believe mades some progress. You might want to check them out. Many vendors are members, as well as universities and open source projects. Regrettably, Microsoft has not joined - although I believe they may have attended one or more interop tests. I do agree that it would be nice to have an iCalendar (RFC2445 not Apple's product) attachment whenever there's event data. Tim Hare Senior Systems Programmer Florida Department of Transportation Tel: +1 (850) 414-4209 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:21 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or In John's defense, it is a bit annoying that people in the US tend to assume that the US is the center of the known universe (thank goodness it's not). Since he's in Australia, that 16 hour time difference is Not Fun At All for non-US attendees to US events, particularly for those in Asia. Trying to schedule conference calls with people in Japan and China is a major PITA. A possible solution would be to add a ICS (Internet Calendar Service) meeting notice to the posting (would require some work on the mailing list server to permit .ICS files to pass the attachment filter). Times and dates in ICS notices are in ISOdate format with times in UTC, and Notes (finally!) can generate and understand them properly, as does Outlook/Exchange and the other similar widgets. Then the meeting schedule would appear in the proper local time. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Looks like Tim is a little out of date now g 15-Aug-07 Microsoft Joins CalConnect: The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium welcomes Microsoft as a member of the Consortium Pulled directly from the CalConnect website. K 8-) Note: the Visigoth Covert Legion wins again... 8-) The MSofties can be a rather hardheaded lot. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
A slight correction - ICS (aka iCalendar or RFC 2445) files have dates in ISO format, but they are NOT required to be in UTC. The standard allows timezone definitions and references to them within the file. Often UTC is used because it makes it easier, but it's not required. They also allow floating time, expressly for some cases where you want to load events into your (insert name of device / user agent her) but you don't want to have to change the time zone on it when you travel.. for example, when I go to SHARE I get the events in floating time so I can just load them in the PDA and leave the time alone. Partly because of these, and other issues, there are many interoperability problems with calendars. The Calendar Scheduling Consortium (www.calconnect.org) exists to work on those issues, and has I believe mades some progress. You might want to check them out. Many vendors are members, as well as universities and open source projects. Regrettably, Microsoft has not joined - although I believe they may have attended one or more interop tests. I do agree that it would be nice to have an iCalendar (RFC2445 not Apple's product) attachment whenever there's event data. Tim Hare Senior Systems Programmer Florida Department of Transportation Tel: +1 (850) 414-4209 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:21 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or In John's defense, it is a bit annoying that people in the US tend to assume that the US is the center of the known universe (thank goodness it's not). Since he's in Australia, that 16 hour time difference is Not Fun At All for non-US attendees to US events, particularly for those in Asia. Trying to schedule conference calls with people in Japan and China is a major PITA. A possible solution would be to add a ICS (Internet Calendar Service) meeting notice to the posting (would require some work on the mailing list server to permit .ICS files to pass the attachment filter). Times and dates in ICS notices are in ISOdate format with times in UTC, and Notes (finally!) can generate and understand them properly, as does Outlook/Exchange and the other similar widgets. Then the meeting schedule would appear in the proper local time. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
[way OT] Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
On 8/24/07, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why, for this kind of event, I suggest GMT. I know when and whether I have daylight saving. I was worried this would only go until they get Windows to drop the time-ball http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timeball.htm and that would automatically set their system clock to local time... But reading the web site I notice that already has happened: NB In summer it drops at 13:00 (1pm) BST or 12:00 (Noon) GMT. When we ran international VM systems in IBM, there really was no concept of local time so we ran the systems at GMT+0 which saved us the trouble of time zone changes too. Just had to remember that the maintenance windows for various applications changed along with the support group's DST schedule :-) Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Assuming that the sender's PC has the right 'real' time and timezone set, that the sender's machine has the same AND that Microsoft hasn't buggered up the DST offsets again... ...phsiii (not aimed at you, David, just that I've been burned by this too often to trust it 100%!) True enough. GIGO. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 10:52 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fuzzy Logic wrote: John, she posted times in EDT and CET. I see no reason why posting in the timezone of origination is not acceptable. Could you explain more clearly why giving times as she did is not okay? because, unless I missed something, this was a net meeting. Isn't that what Live Virtual Class means? You're assuming that anything being held on the net means the whole world is the target audience. That would be a bad assumption, particularly for companies such as IBM that have different products/licensing/pricing for different parts of the work. -snip- If you are inviting me, then tell me the time and date in something I can easily translate to my time. I have doubts you (or anyone else in Oz) was a target of the invitation. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Even for those of us located in the US, NY Time isn't one of the standard, recognized time zones. EDT or EST would be much more useful, and could probably also be translated by most readers. NY Time could potentially send someone on a research binge to see just what it might be. Knowing several New York'ers, 10am NY time could be anywhere from 8:15am to 1:25pm :-) -- .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW /( )\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 ^^-^^ - In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 8/22/07 4:18 AM, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pamela Christina from hot humid Endicott NY wrote: ...ooops..forgot to say this in the first posting. Dr. Brian Wade will be presenting Virtualization Basics on the Aug 14. Live Virtual Class. In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Mark Post [ somebody ] wrote: In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or I suppose eventually the world will migrate to using stardate, and the concept of local time will become antiquated. :-) (And the USA will go metric before then.) -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or In John's defense, it is a bit annoying that people in the US tend to assume that the US is the center of the known universe (thank goodness it's not). Since he's in Australia, that 16 hour time difference is Not Fun At All for non-US attendees to US events, particularly for those in Asia. Trying to schedule conference calls with people in Japan and China is a major PITA. A possible solution would be to add a ICS (Internet Calendar Service) meeting notice to the posting (would require some work on the mailing list server to permit .ICS files to pass the attachment filter). Times and dates in ICS notices are in ISOdate format with times in UTC, and Notes (finally!) can generate and understand them properly, as does Outlook/Exchange and the other similar widgets. Then the meeting schedule would appear in the proper local time. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
On 8/23/07, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asia. Trying to schedule conference calls with people in Japan and China is a major PITA. And once you get used to a time that works for folks in Europe, Oz and US, they start doing DST at different times and in different directions... A possible solution would be to add a ICS (Internet Calendar Service) I am not going to hold my breath. Even without interfacing with other systems, Notes already got it wrong on its own. And you don't have to try very hard (like accepting an invitation from someone in another time zone, and then travel to that time zone for the meeting in the period where one end already went back in time and the other did not). /me thinks the only savings from DST is in the conference calls that you miss because you're too late or had two things at the same time :-) Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Fuzzy Logic wrote: John, she posted times in EDT and CET. I see no reason why posting in the timezone of origination is not acceptable. Could you explain more clearly why giving times as she did is not okay? because, unless I missed something, this was a net meeting. Isn't that what Live Virtual Class means? People in .uk, .jp, .au etc don't generally understand US times. Mostly, they understand where they are relative to GMT/UTC. If you are inviting me, then tell me the time and date in something I can easily translate to my time. If it's not a net meeting, then of course I don't need to be able to translate to my time, as I won't be there. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Mark Post wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 5:18 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pamela Christina from hot humid Endicott NY wrote: ...ooops..forgot to say this in the first posting. Dr. Brian Wade will be presenting Virtualization Basics on the Aug 14. Live Virtual Class. In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or If you want to talk to me, best choose a language and idiom I understand. If you want to sell me something (in any sense of the phrase) and don't care enough to do that, you don't really want my business. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/23/07, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asia. Trying to schedule conference calls with people in Japan and China is a major PITA. And once you get used to a time that works for folks in Europe, Oz and US, they start doing DST at different times and in different directions... That's why, for this kind of event, I suggest GMT. I know when and whether I have daylight saving. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A possible solution would be to add a ICS (Internet Calendar Service) meeting notice to the posting (would require some work on the mailing list server to permit .ICS files to pass the attachment filter). Times and dates in ICS notices are in ISOdate format with times in UTC, and Notes (finally!) can generate and understand them properly, as does Outlook/Exchange and the other similar widgets. Then the meeting schedule would appear in the proper local time.=20 Assuming that the sender's PC has the right 'real' time and timezone set, that the sender's machine has the same AND that Microsoft hasn't buggered up the DST offsets again... ...phsiii (not aimed at you, David, just that I've been burned by this too often to trust it 100%!) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Pam, I went to http://www.vm.ibm.com/events/ to look at this class after the event. Is this the correct URL for that? Clicking on the event still asks for registration. Do I still need to go through that to look at the presentation post-event. Thanks, Kevin Evans -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamela Christina in warm sunny Endicott NY Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:25 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) Here's info about the next in the series of Live Virtual Classes (webcasts). The price is right (no charge, no travel). If you can't get to SHARE or System z Expo, why not try and LVC. Or even if you can get to the events, listen in to the call, and then you'll free up a time slot on your conference agenda for something else. Title: Virtualization Basics Abstract: The latest buzz word in the industry seems to be virtualization. As we have learned over the years, one needs to be careful with buzzwords. This presentation will not cover all the possible definitions for virtualization. It will give you a strong understanding of what virtualization means in the context of the z/VM hypervisor, and this can be used to contrast with what others are calling virtualization. Key topics covered in this presentation include: the virtual machine model, the key components of z/VM, the role of the SIE instruction, and the virtualization and management of various resources (processor, memory, and I/O). Audience: Customers, IBMers, ISVs and Business Partners This 90-minute LVC will be conducted on Tuesday, August 14 starting at 10:00 Eastern U.S./4:00 p.m. CET and recorded for subsequent replay. The replay will be available 1 week after the live session via a link on the z/VM website (http://www.vm.ibm.com/) Important: Enroll for this session by EOD Monday, August 13 with this URL: https://asp22.centra.com:443/Reg/main/00013c73780113c2f41183002cd1/e n_US There is no tuition to participate in this session, however you must enroll at least 1 business day ahead of the session date to enable your participation. The LVC will be delivered using the Centra tool that employs Voice over IP (VoIP) technology to provide both the audio as well as the visuals to your Windows workstation. Each participant must enroll individually, ie. no sharing of LVC logins is supported. After enrolling in the LVC, you should run a a System Check via the following URL to verify your workstation meets the following minimum requirements. System Check: https://stg.centra.com/SysCheck/main/Customers/ibmstg Windows 2000 or Windows XP Internet Explorer 5.01, Netscape 7.2, Firefox 1.0 or later. 28.8 kbps or faster Internet connection P350+ MHz, 128+ MB memory 800x600 16-bit color display or better sound card and speakers (to hear the audio portion of the LVC) microphone (required if you want to ask a question during the LVC) For LVC info and comments about them, contact Dick Kendrick +1.469.718.0048 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want to access the replays, or see what else is on the events calendar for z/VM and more... http://www.vm.ibm.com/events/ Regards, Pam C Dame Pamela the Publicist -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Pamela Christina from hot humid Endicott NY wrote: ...ooops..forgot to say this in the first posting. Dr. Brian Wade will be presenting Virtualization Basics on the Aug 14. Live Virtual Class. In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 5:18 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pamela Christina from hot humid Endicott NY wrote: ...ooops..forgot to say this in the first posting. Dr. Brian Wade will be presenting Virtualization Basics on the Aug 14. Live Virtual Class. In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
