Re: intro, & request for advice ...
Also: If you have no money for Linux or z/VM - how do you plan to get the license for DB2 Connect ? = that's already been paid for, somewhere, in the past. -- Jay Brenneman -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: intro, & request for advice ...
>>> On 1/13/2010 at 09:58 AM, "Bonno, Tuco" wrote: -snip- > One Question, why go with free source code? > b/c this agency refuses to spend any money on this project Then you need to protect yourself for when problems arise, and getting it fixed takes longer than "the agency" would like. Put down in writing how they are handicapping you, and get their written response, and file it. I have customers in SC. They would likely be willing to talk with you and your management about how things are going for them, and how important support can be when "stuff" happens. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: intro, & request for advice ...
Also: If you have no money for Linux or z/VM - how do you plan to get the license for DB2 Connect ? -- Jay Brenneman -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On 1/13/10 9:01 AM, "Bonno, Tuco" wrote: > please allow me to introduce myself. > I am new to this listserver community. > I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm > mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm¹s > UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system > (HFS). The light will come to you, brother. Welcome aboard. > the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. > The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the > governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM > license or for anything else connected w/ this op.). Ask your local IBM representative for a z/VM loan. You REALLY REALLY will save lots and lots of pain and suffering by doing this. IBM has ways to do this for zero $$$ for proof-of-concept work if they think it's a good chance of success. It doesn't hurt to ask. > So I¹m also going to > need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of these > Œfree¹ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the marist.edu . > question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use (please > keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? CentOS is the only one you listed that is reasonably close enough to a supported commercial distribution that it might be comparable (it's functionally equivalent to the same RHEL release number). Debian has (in my opinion) superior package and system management tooling, but is not a supported platform for most commercial software (even though it works fine if you can get the commercial tools to install). We offer support for it and have made many commercial packages work, but if you're new to the game, it's not the right choice. Forget the Marist distribution even exists. It's ancient, unmaintained and also not supported by any commercial software. Both "blessed" commercial distributions (RHEL and SLES) can be downloaded at no charge from the respective company's web sites. You don't get support from the vendor in that mode, but at least you're running something the ISVs admit exists. > question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my own, > I¹ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I would like > to save some time and not have to download each one to check it out Š. There are redbooks available from IBM for RHEL and SLES. Those provide a pretty good cookbook, although they assume z/VM (see above. You *really* don't want to do this in an LPAR. Really.) > question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of > wisdom he/she would care to share? 1) Get a z/VM loan from IBM. LPARs are a huge pain. You'll be really really sorry if you try to do it that way. 2) If you have other Linux machines in your organization, try to get the same version for your mainframe POC. Many many things are the same, and any way you can say "look, mainframe linux isn't different" is a win. 3) Get your networking people involved *early*. They need to know what you're doing and that it's safe to let you do it. 4) You're going to want either layer 2 VSWITCH or layer 2 OSA connectivity for the Linux system. Everything else you're probably going to want to know is likely to be in the redbook. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Do you have an open systems group in your shop? Buy a large box of donuts and pay them a visit. Many quick answers can be found just down the hall in many shops. yes, thanks; I've touched base w/ that guy and he is being helpful One Question, why go with free source code? b/c this agency refuses to spend any money on this project Will you be putting any production applications on zLinux? db2connect Is there a detail play within your organization to use zLinux, or is this just a playground? no idea yet And push for zVM, that is where the magic begins, zVM co$t$ money, (other than free "evaluation copy") which this place doesn't want to spend thanks James Chaplin Systems Programmer, MVS, zVM & zLinux Base Technologies, Inc -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: intro, & request for advice ... please allow me to introduce myself. I am new to this listserver community. I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm’s UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system (HFS). I have been given a mission to install a Linux o/s on an IFL lpar on one of our Z9 mainframe platforms, and hence have found my way here, to this community. the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM license – or for anything else connected w/ this op.). So I’m also going to need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of these ‘free’ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the marist.edu . question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use (please keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my own, I’ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I would like to save some time and not have to download each one to check it out …. question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of wisdom he/she would care to share? thank you for your indulgence. /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
Re: intro, & request for advice ...
On 01/13/2010 09:32 AM, Melancon, Ruddy wrote: I have been in your situatuion before. I would try the Centos for your project since it is very closely related to Red Hat. This way if management were to decide to spring for a supported license you could use Red Hat and be comfortable with the result. And, more importantly, Red Hat has ways to bring you from CentOS to RHEL in a supported manner without requiring a OS reinstall, should your company ever chose to do so. The other options (Debian, Fedora, etc) don't have such methods to go from unsupported to supported without wiping everything and starting anew. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Tuco, I'm a newbie on this list, I've done z/OS programming for fewer years than you have but for longer than z/Linux. You might have seen me on the TCPIP list. A couple of thoughts - Production means that the agency expects to have the same level of infrastructure and operational support as z/OS. Since it's "On the Mainframe" they're ignoring a huge piece of infrastructure because we made it work for z/OS decades ago. We had z/Linux project go from "skunkworks" to production without resolving all the infrastructure and operational issues. It's not pretty. POR's, backup and recovery, accounting, management, the list of things that you don't take into account are impressive. We've spent several man months already and we're only part way through making our installation fully production ready and billable. I recommend that you push back. The only way I would run z/Linux on the LPAR without z/VM is very early proof of concept, and even then I'm not sure. HTH. Roger Oakes -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: intro, & request for advice ... please allow me to introduce myself. I am new to this listserver community. I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm’s UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system (HFS). I have been given a mission to install a Linux o/s on an IFL lpar on one of our Z9 mainframe platforms, and hence have found my way here, to this community. the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM license – or for anything else connected w/ this op.). So I’m also going to need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of these ‘free’ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the marist.edu . question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use (please keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my own, I’ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I would like to save some time and not have to download each one to check it out …. question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of wisdom he/she would care to share? thank you for your indulgence. /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
Re: intro, & request for advice ...
I think the answer depends on whether this is simply a 'proof of concept' or if the result is supposed to be a supportable solution. I'm guessing that for now, it's proof of concept.. so as Ruddy suggested, CentOS might be a good choice since it's RH based. I'm sure RH and Novell provide 'trial' periods too. Ultimately, as others have said - you'll need to choose one of the supported Linux distros for DB2Connect if your goal is a vendor-supportable solution. And even if proof of concept -- it's a 'good thing' to try and start with supported solutions and not have to start over when you've proved your concept and now want to run with it. Scott On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Bonno, Tuco wrote: > please allow me to introduce myself. > I am new to this listserver community. > I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm > mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm’s > UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system > (HFS). > I have been given a mission to install a Linux o/s on an IFL lpar on one of > our Z9 mainframe platforms, and hence have found my way here, to this > community. > the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. > The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the > governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM > license – or for anything else connected w/ this op.). So I’m also going > to need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of > these ‘free’ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the > marist.edu . > question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use > (please keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? > question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my > own, I’ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I > would like to save some time and not have to download each one to check it > out …. > question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of > wisdom he/she would care to share? > > thank you for your indulgence. > > /s/ tuco bonno > graduate, College of Conflict Management; > University of Southeast Asia; > "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! " > > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Certainly from a support standpoint, DB2 Connect and most vendor software is not certified on the 'free' Linux distributions. You will need a supported distribution from Novell or RedHat. It is possible that the vendor will not even license the software without a supported distribution. If you do get a license, the software may not install due to install-time checks. If you manage to get past all that and have problems you will have no one to call. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: intro,& request for advice ... please allow me to introduce myself. I am new to this listserver community. I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm’s UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system (HFS). I have been given a mission to install a Linux o/s on an IFL lpar on one of our Z9 mainframe platforms, and hence have found my way here, to this community. the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM license – or for anything else connected w/ this op.). So I’m also going to need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of these ‘free’ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the marist.edu . question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use (please keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my own, I’ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I would like to save some time and not have to download each one to check it out …. question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of wisdom he/she would care to share? thank you for your indulgence. /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !!" -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2010 - Apr 9-13, 2010 Covington, KY -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: intro, & request for advice ...
I have been in your situatuion before. I would try the Centos for your project since it is very closely related to Red Hat. This way if management were to decide to spring for a supported license you could use Red Hat and be comfortable with the result. Otherwise the Debian will probably meet you needs. By the way I have not installed DB2Connect under Linux as yet so this is purely from a Linux perspective. Ruddy Melancon Alabama Dept of Transportation -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: intro, & request for advice ... please allow me to introduce myself. I am new to this listserver community. I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm’s UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system (HFS). I have been given a mission to install a Linux o/s on an IFL lpar on one of our Z9 mainframe platforms, and hence have found my way here, to this community. the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM license – or for anything else connected w/ this op.). So I’m also going to need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of these ‘free’ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the marist.edu . question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use (please keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my own, I’ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I would like to save some time and not have to download each one to check it out …. question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of wisdom he/she would care to share? thank you for your indulgence. /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
Re: intro, & request for advice ...
This is a great place to start as you start working with Linux. Also keep www.google.com/linux as quick starting point to finding answers. Do you have an open systems group in your shop? Buy a large box of donuts and pay them a visit. Many quick answers can be found just down the hall in many shops. Also set up one or two x86 boxes at home to play with, and install Linux on them, just to keep as a sandbox to test your ideas. One Question, why go with free source code? Will you be putting any production applications on zLinux? Is there a detail play within your organization to use zLinux, or is this just a playground? If this will be a high value application for users that need 7 x 24 x 365 access, then you may want to invest in some system support, both SUSE and RED HAT are great with their support for the z390x platform. And push for zVM, that is where the magic begins, virtualization! New server fully loaded in less than 10 minutes. Seeing the ".gov" in your email, someone has to be accountable to the performance with application running on zLinux. James Chaplin Systems Programmer, MVS, zVM & zLinux Base Technologies, Inc -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: intro, & request for advice ... please allow me to introduce myself. I am new to this listserver community. I am an mvs systems programmer w/ about 30 years experience with ibm mainframe o/s-s (s360 thru z/os), plus about 12 years experience w/ ibm’s UnixSystemsServices/OpenEdition, and its related hierarchical file system (HFS). I have been given a mission to install a Linux o/s on an IFL lpar on one of our Z9 mainframe platforms, and hence have found my way here, to this community. the PURPOSE of the Linux IFL lpar will be to host DB2Connect. The install is going to be standalone directly into the IFL lpar (the governmental agency I work for does not wish to spend any money for a Z/VM license – or for anything else connected w/ this op.). So I’m also going to need a FREE distribution of Linux. So far I have discovered about 3 of these ‘free’ Linuxes: Centos, Debian, and the one available from the marist.edu . question: can anyone offer me some advice on which one I should use (please keep in mind the purpose is to host DB2Connect) ? question: can anyone recommend any good cookbook manuals to use? on my own, I’ve discovered quite a few books out there on the internet, but I would like to save some time and not have to download each one to check it out …. question: anyone have any gp (general purpose, across the board) words of wisdom he/she would care to share? thank you for your indulgence. /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
