Re: Virus software?

2013-01-18 Thread Gregg Levine
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Don Williams  wrote:
> Sadly, multi-platform viruses have been created. It all depends on the
> hacker's intentions and abilities.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Dean,
> David (I/S)
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:27 AM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: Virus software?
>
> Thanks, but what could a virus jumping from a windows server do to a Linux
> server considering that it would be coded for one or the other?  The number
> of humans that have become infected with hoof and mouth disease is quite
> low.
>
> I am just extending the questioning because I deal with this yearly from the
> auditors. Once in a blue moon I feel guilty about lying to them.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark
> Post
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: Virus software?
>
>>>> On 1/16/2013 at 03:04 PM, "Dean, David (I/S)" 
> wrote:
>> We used Mcafee for a few years, but cut it off for lack of viruses
>> (none!) and decided to quit wasting the bandwidth.
>>
>> Brings up a good point, has anyone ever actually picked up a virus on
>> one of their zLinux boxes, we have not since 2004.  Am I living in a
>> fool's paradise?
>
> Yes and no.  Most people I've ever talked to about this seem to agree that
> such a tool is needed/desireable only when a LInux system is acting as some
> type of a file server for Windows clients.
>
>
> Mark Post
>

Hello!
In the early 90s a chap whose initials were RTM created a bug which as
it happens crippled a good portion of the Internet. In an interview
the chap complained that what he wrote actually went off too early and
made a big mess of things, and died too soon. He actually wanted the
thing to linger.

So ideally our concerns and problems to solve are appropriate.

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-18 Thread Don Williams
Sadly, multi-platform viruses have been created. It all depends on the
hacker's intentions and abilities.

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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Dean,
David (I/S)
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:27 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus software?

Thanks, but what could a virus jumping from a windows server do to a Linux
server considering that it would be coded for one or the other?  The number
of humans that have become infected with hoof and mouth disease is quite
low.

I am just extending the questioning because I deal with this yearly from the
auditors. Once in a blue moon I feel guilty about lying to them.



-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark
Post
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:36 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus software?

>>> On 1/16/2013 at 03:04 PM, "Dean, David (I/S)" 
wrote:
> We used Mcafee for a few years, but cut it off for lack of viruses
> (none!) and decided to quit wasting the bandwidth.
>
> Brings up a good point, has anyone ever actually picked up a virus on
> one of their zLinux boxes, we have not since 2004.  Am I living in a
> fool's paradise?

Yes and no.  Most people I've ever talked to about this seem to agree that
such a tool is needed/desireable only when a LInux system is acting as some
type of a file server for Windows clients.


Mark Post

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Evans
Stuxnet migrated from windows clients to another architecture and
apparently did a lot of damage to its non-windows target.  For microbes
higher species are just transports. (ok - maybe the "higher=windows"
analogy isn't so apt ;)

Mvh./Best Regards
Roger Evans, Autodata Norge A/S
http://www.autodata.no +47 93 25 92 36





On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 17:26 -0700, Mark Post wrote:

> >>> On 1/17/2013 at 09:26 AM, "Dean, David (I/S)"  
> >>> wrote:
> > Thanks, but what could a virus jumping from a windows server do to a Linux
> > server considering that it would be coded for one or the other?  The number
> > of humans that have become infected with hoof and mouth disease is quite 
> > low.
> >
> > I am just extending the questioning because I deal with this yearly from the
> > auditors. Once in a blue moon I feel guilty about lying to them.
>
> Nothing, but that's not the concern.  The exposure is that a Linux system 
> acting as a file server to Windows client could spread Windows malware 
> throughout the network.  There are two principles operating here:
> 1. "Defense in depth" by having multiple layers of screening.
> 2. Having a hybrid of screening products, each of which might catch something 
> the other won't.
>
>
> Mark Post
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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-17 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 1/17/2013 at 09:26 AM, "Dean, David (I/S)"  wrote: 
> Thanks, but what could a virus jumping from a windows server do to a Linux 
> server considering that it would be coded for one or the other?  The number 
> of humans that have become infected with hoof and mouth disease is quite low.
> 
> I am just extending the questioning because I deal with this yearly from the 
> auditors. Once in a blue moon I feel guilty about lying to them.

Nothing, but that's not the concern.  The exposure is that a Linux system 
acting as a file server to Windows client could spread Windows malware 
throughout the network.  There are two principles operating here:
1. "Defense in depth" by having multiple layers of screening.
2. Having a hybrid of screening products, each of which might catch something 
the other won't.


Mark Post

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-17 Thread Dean, David (I/S)
Thanks, but what could a virus jumping from a windows server do to a Linux 
server considering that it would be coded for one or the other?  The number of 
humans that have become infected with hoof and mouth disease is quite low.

I am just extending the questioning because I deal with this yearly from the 
auditors. Once in a blue moon I feel guilty about lying to them.



-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Post
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:36 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus software?

>>> On 1/16/2013 at 03:04 PM, "Dean, David (I/S)"  wrote: 
> We used Mcafee for a few years, but cut it off for lack of viruses 
> (none!) and decided to quit wasting the bandwidth.
> 
> Brings up a good point, has anyone ever actually picked up a virus on 
> one of their zLinux boxes, we have not since 2004.  Am I living in a 
> fool's paradise?

Yes and no.  Most people I've ever talked to about this seem to agree that such 
a tool is needed/desireable only when a LInux system is acting as some type of 
a file server for Windows clients.


Mark Post

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-17 Thread Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission
There are some (rare) viruses that have been coded for both Windows and
Linux, but they are compiled for the x86 platform. Unless you are
talking about a true cross-platform executable (Java?, Flash?) or
something created specifically for zLinux, then something coming from
Windows isn't going to do anything on system z. The one case for having
a virus scanner on zLinux is, as someone mentioned, to prevent zLinux
from propagating an x86 infection to other boxes without being affected
itself.

Peter

I've seen their type before -- the problem is real, their solution is
nonsense, but they feel like everyone should line up behind them because
the problem is real. - Anonymous
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Dean, David (I/S)
Sent: January 17, 2013 09:27
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus software?

Thanks, but what could a virus jumping from a windows server do to a
Linux server considering that it would be coded for one or the other?
The number of humans that have become infected with hoof and mouth
disease is quite low.

I am just extending the questioning because I deal with this yearly from
the auditors. Once in a blue moon I feel guilty about lying to them.



-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Mark Post
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:36 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Virus software?

>>> On 1/16/2013 at 03:04 PM, "Dean, David (I/S)" 
wrote: 
> We used Mcafee for a few years, but cut it off for lack of viruses 
> (none!) and decided to quit wasting the bandwidth.
> 
> Brings up a good point, has anyone ever actually picked up a virus on 
> one of their zLinux boxes, we have not since 2004.  Am I living in a 
> fool's paradise?

Yes and no.  Most people I've ever talked to about this seem to agree
that such a tool is needed/desireable only when a LInux system is acting
as some type of a file server for Windows clients.


Mark Post

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-16 Thread R P Herrold

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013, Mark Post wrote:


Yes and no.  Most people I've ever talked to about this seem
to agree that such a tool is needed/desireable only when a
LInux system is acting as some type of a file server for
Windows clients.


heh -- yeah -- PCI / CISP assessors are really literal
minded 'people' ;)

Some require it regardless, without a care for the sense of a
matter

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-16 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 1/16/2013 at 03:04 PM, "Dean, David (I/S)"  wrote: 
> We used Mcafee for a few years, but cut it off for lack of viruses (none!) 
> and decided to quit wasting the bandwidth.
> 
> Brings up a good point, has anyone ever actually picked up a virus on one of 
> their zLinux boxes, we have not since 2004.  Am I living in a fool's 
> paradise?

Yes and no.  Most people I've ever talked to about this seem to agree that such 
a tool is needed/desireable only when a LInux system is acting as some type of 
a file server for Windows clients.


Mark Post

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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-16 Thread Dean, David (I/S)
We used Mcafee for a few years, but cut it off for lack of viruses (none!) and 
decided to quit wasting the bandwidth.

Brings up a good point, has anyone ever actually picked up a virus on one of 
their zLinux boxes, we have not since 2004.  Am I living in a fool's paradise?

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Veencamp, 
Jonathon D.
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Virus software?

Lee,

You also might want to consider rkhunter, and more importantly Tripwire(AIDE).

I would expect most Linux exploits to be buffer overflows and whatnot giving 
root access, rather than file based viruses.

Regards,
Jon Veencamp
Federated Insurance
jdveenc...@fedins.com

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Subject: Virus software?

Hi all   Is Clam still the only virus software for Linux on Z?
Thanks,
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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-16 Thread Veencamp, Jonathon D.
Lee,

You also might want to consider rkhunter, and more importantly Tripwire(AIDE).

I would expect most Linux exploits to be buffer overflows and whatnot giving 
root access, rather than file based viruses.

Regards,
Jon Veencamp
Federated Insurance
jdveenc...@fedins.com

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Stewart
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Subject: Virus software?

Hi all   Is Clam still the only virus software for Linux on Z?
Thanks,
Lee
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Re: Virus software?

2013-01-16 Thread Carol McGowan
I heard trend micro runs there




From:   "Veencamp, Jonathon D." 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU,
Date:   01/16/2013 01:54 PM
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Lee,

You also might want to consider rkhunter, and more importantly
Tripwire(AIDE).

I would expect most Linux exploits to be buffer overflows and whatnot
giving root access, rather than file based viruses.

Regards,
Jon Veencamp
Federated Insurance
jdveenc...@fedins.com

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Stewart
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Subject: Virus software?

Hi all   Is Clam still the only virus software for Linux on Z?
Thanks,
Lee
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Virus software?

2013-01-16 Thread Lee Stewart

Hi all   Is Clam still the only virus software for Linux on Z?
Thanks,
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Re: Linux on z/Series and Anti-virus software

2004-10-15 Thread Rozonkiewiecz, Mitchell P
This doesn't list the current Computer Associates offerings, including
AntiVirus for Linux/390

You can find the AV details here

http://ca.com/technologies/subsolution.jsp?id=4874

 
Mitch Rozonkiewiecz
Development, CA


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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Alan Altmark
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux on z/Series and Anti-virus software

On Friday, 10/15/2004 at 10:17 EST, James Melin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What are the current leading anti-virus software vendors that have a
> product that runs native under linux on z/Series?
>
> I've seen options that require me to NFS mount my disk, and other
things.
> I've seen a few anti-virus probrams that run native, but our
management
> doesn't want a 'small fish' as it were. They are looking for an AV
vendor
> that has some legs... is going to be here in 5 years. That sort of
thing.
>
> Recommendations?

Try http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/apps/sec.html.

This site is worth bookmarking.

Alan Altmark
Sr. Software Engineer
IBM z/VM Development

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Re: Linux on z/Series and Anti-virus software

2004-10-15 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 15, 2004, at 9:28 AM, Brandon Darbro wrote:
James Melin wrote:
What are the current leading anti-virus software vendors that have a
product that runs native under linux on z/Series?
I've seen options that require me to NFS mount my disk, and other
things.
I've seen a few anti-virus probrams that run native, but our
management
doesn't want a 'small fish' as it were. They are looking for an AV
vendor
that has some legs... is going to be here in 5 years. That sort of
thing.
Recommendations?

TrendMicro Server Protect.
It surpassed our requirements and wishes.

Your management probably isn't going to be interested in ClamAV, since
there isn't a vendor per se, since it's an Open Source project--but
hey, you'd have the source code.  And, uh, I happen to know you could
buy third-party support.  It works quite well on Debian, and I assume
it works fine on the other distros.  They seem good about timely
database updates.  http://www.clamav.net.
However, virus scanning is by its nature CPU intensive, so using your
S/390 to do it may not be the right approach; of course that depends on
how much CPU you have, how much scanning you need to do, and how badly
you don't want to use the network to hand the workload to some other
machine.
Adam
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Re: Linux on z/Series and Anti-virus software

2004-10-15 Thread Brandon Darbro
James Melin wrote:
What are the current leading anti-virus software vendors that have a
product that runs native under linux on z/Series?
I've seen options that require me to NFS mount my disk, and other things.
I've seen a few anti-virus probrams that run native, but our management
doesn't want a 'small fish' as it were. They are looking for an AV vendor
that has some legs... is going to be here in 5 years. That sort of thing.
Recommendations?

TrendMicro Server Protect.
It surpassed our requirements and wishes.
*Brandon
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Re: Linux on z/Series and Anti-virus software

2004-10-15 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 10/15/2004 at 10:17 EST, James Melin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What are the current leading anti-virus software vendors that have a
> product that runs native under linux on z/Series?
>
> I've seen options that require me to NFS mount my disk, and other
things.
> I've seen a few anti-virus probrams that run native, but our management
> doesn't want a 'small fish' as it were. They are looking for an AV
vendor
> that has some legs... is going to be here in 5 years. That sort of
thing.
>
> Recommendations?

Try http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/apps/sec.html.

This site is worth bookmarking.

Alan Altmark
Sr. Software Engineer
IBM z/VM Development

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Linux on z/Series and Anti-virus software

2004-10-15 Thread James Melin
What are the current leading anti-virus software vendors that have a
product that runs native under linux on z/Series?

I've seen options that require me to NFS mount my disk, and other things.
I've seen a few anti-virus probrams that run native, but our management
doesn't want a 'small fish' as it were. They are looking for an AV vendor
that has some legs... is going to be here in 5 years. That sort of thing.

Recommendations?

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