Linux-Advocacy Digest #448
Linux-Advocacy Digest #448, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 03:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Scheme == Beginners language ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Windtrolls
and Authentic Linvocates)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating
Re: What I like about linux. ("Mike")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Mike Byrns")
Re: The Failure of the USS Yorktown (Steve Mading)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating ("Mike Byrns")
Updated Steve/Mike List -- 38 Fake Names (was: So ya' wanna' runLinux?...I have
a bridge for sale in Bklyn. (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Scheme == Beginners language
Date: 17 Aug 2000 01:29:11 -0400
Greg Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Scheme is not the easiest language if you come from a procedural
language background
Right. You have to unlearn the habit of "thinking like a computer" when
programming and relearn thinking like a human. See my "Intro to Scheme"
chapter from the URL below.
--
Bruce R. Lewis http://brl.sourceforge.net/
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:33:28 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
Is it really a bad thing, as long as they're all 'Linux'? If you're
referring to some signs in Mandrake and PPC of *kernel* fragmentation, I
guess that's a different issue.
Yes, THAT is what I was referring to, kernel fragmentation.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Windtrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:55:38 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:feAm5.6204$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
No, you said:
Other than support for "drag an drop" I am unaware of any service that
Explorer provides that fvwm does not. Even then most of the "drag and
drop" is provided by shared libraries and explorer proper.
My reply to that was that explorer provided other features that fvwm did
not.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8ndhhj$ner$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:Zmqm5.6144$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Are you following this discussion? The question was asked, what
functionality did explorer provide that fvwm did not. I am answering.
The question was if explorer was another window manager what features
would
it have to convince someone to cause someone to switch from fvwm to it.
Since the first question that you are now citing did not get a
responsive
answer, it was then it was replaced with this question.
Actually:
I asked of Stephen S. Edwards II
What is FVWM missing that explorer.exe provides for a working environment?
I recieved from Stephen this non-responsice reply:
In order to properly compare the two, you'd need to run
a wm that is comparable in functionality to EXPLORER.EXE,
in order to see how much RAM X will take up to provide the
wm for the user.
So I refined the original question as:
Other than support for "drag an drop" I am unaware of any service that
Explorer provides that fvwm does not. Even then most of the "drag and
drop"
is provided by shared libraries and explorer proper.
Imagine if explorer was another window manager for X, what features would
it
have that could cause someone to switch to it as their window manager?
To which you replied:
Hmm.. it's been a while since I used fvwm, but IIRC, fvwm doesn't provide
an
actual "desktop" that you can drag files or icons onto. It doesn't
provide
a file manager, either.
To which I replied:
To
Linux-Advocacy Digest #449
Linux-Advocacy Digest #449, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 05:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Gutenberg (Richard)
Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Truckasaurus)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating
Re: news article
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux (Ray Chason)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Ray Chason)
Re: Gutenberg ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: So ya' wanna' run Linux?...I have a bridge for sale in Bklyn. ("Spud")
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:07:00 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
Is it really a bad thing, as long as they're all 'Linux'? If you're
referring to some signs in Mandrake and PPC of *kernel* fragmentation, I
guess that's a different issue.
Yes, THAT is what I was referring to, kernel fragmentation.
Well, I'd have to say "yuck", because I know what kind of mess that will
be. But honestly, if the market demands that the kernel fragment, then
so be it. Is there any real *value* to maintaining (artificially, by
definition) a single kernel? Isn't a fragmented Linux kernel still at
least somewhat preferable to broad incompatibility? IOW, better
multiple Linux OS's than simply multiple OS's, IMHO.
That way, the geeks can keep their optimal engineering while the masses
enjoy their flashy-and-easy pablum, with still some chance at
intercompatibility. The best of all possible worlds, I think.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:09:15 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
I concur with all of this. If Linux does fragment it will because of
outside influences. The problem is that the fragmentation may already be
starting. I have already seen some signs of it with Mandrake and Linux PPC.
I think fragmentation is not only inevitable, it is optimal. As much as
Quite true. That's why, technologically, the Unix-hoard runs FAR
ahead of M$-ware, and the gap is widening all the time.
I agree. I wanted to say it at the time, but thought it might be too
distracting. The fact that Unix "fragmented" is why it is so widely
supported. Had it remained a single unified OS, it would be a
pseudo-mainframe curiosity, not the de facto standard. ;-)
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? (Ray Chason)
Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than (Glitch)
Re: Maximum Linux (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: MSN Drops Newsgroup Support (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: "pure" Linux?? (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: WA - UNIX System Admin - Wanted (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Andrew J. Brehm)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Perry Pip)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Perry Pip)
From: Ray Chason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Notebook/Windows rebate?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 07:53:26 GMT
"Colin R. Day" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But isn't an OEM of Windows bound to the computer? Selling the
OS separately in private may be a good idea, but doing it publicly
over the net is exposing your butt to the wrath of Microsoft.
A German court recently ruled that this was legal. That, of course, is
only of help if you live in Germany.
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/07/07/000707hnunbundle.xml
--
--===[ Ray Chason ]===--
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
People should respect the law, and the law should respect people.
Delenda est Windoze
--
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:17:44 -0400
From: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than
I think it's fine. Someday, Computer will like Tv todays, We don't need
to know what's in it, it's just a tool. On the other hand, nobody can
Even Tv's have repairmen though.
know it totally because it's made by hundreds of engineers.
--
All Get Paid Online--#1 Resource for get paid online!
http://www.all-get-paid-online.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: Maximum Linux
Date: 4 Aug 2000 15:45:28 +0200
In article 8md755$jei$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason people (including me) keep saying "X Windows" even
though it is "wrong" is because it's faster and rolls off the
tounge better. It's not my fault that the makers of X failed
to make the official names handy to pronounce. Sure, I could
say "X" but that's a bit too generic and sounds like I'm trying
to be generic on purpose when I say it (like calling it "foo").
"X11" isn't well known enough to be a good name for it either.
Don't get me wrong, I like this, err, thingy. I just really
hate the names I have to choose from to describe it.
Why does "X Windows" roll off the tongue any easier than "X"?
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: MSN Drops Newsgroup Support
Date: 7 Aug 2000 20:55:00 +0200
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
In article 8lsbk2$mgb$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dealing with those pesky Internet standards the Microsoft way. Hmmm...
I wonder if MSN will offer a Linux advocacy message board?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-159.html?tag=st.ne.ni.rnbot.rn.
ni
They tried to give convenience as the reason, but there is no
competition for a newsgroup in an xterm with a keystroke-based interface
for convenience and speed, especially in large traffic situations where
you have to sift.
With web based things you have to point, click, and then _wait_ for each
message (sometimes each piece of a message) to download. And when they
have ads that auto-reload, caching becomes irrelevant.
I find slashdot unreadable for this reason, for example.
Slashdot is bearable if you use Junkbuster to suppress the ads.
May
Linux-Advocacy Digest #452
Linux-Advocacy Digest #452, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Andrew J. Brehm)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (aflinsch)
From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:24:06 +1000
"Donal K. Fellows" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8ngq7e$e86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 8ng0ul$l8p$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Stephen S. Edwards II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[worthless stuff elided]
Hmmm...
- Every argument he makes never has any facts in it.
- Has a smug and condesceding attitude.
- He has a very long and annoying .signature.
I dunno about you Christopher, but I've run out of
reasons to keep this guy viewable any longer.
*PLOINK!*
I ditched him for his stupid .sig ages ago. Most people round here
seem to be guilty from time to time of fact-free argument and bad
attitude, but very few hand out a (long) page full of canned diatribe
with every post...
As did I. Anyone with a .sig that big claiming to be a Unix engineer
clearly has serious problems with reality.
--
From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:32:06 +1000
"rj friedman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:53:28 Chris Wenham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
¯ Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
¯ being wrong and you being right. Stick your head in the sand
¯ and pretend all you want - but deep in your heart you have
¯ to face the fact that you are 100% full of shit.
¯ And why are you so full of coprolalia?
Full of what?
Needless profanity. It seems to be an OS/2 advocate characteristic.
¯ Just debate the facts, man...
What facts are there to debate. The United States of America
has spoken - MS has been proven guilty. The European Union,
China, Japan, and India have all opened investigations of
their own.
Sonny boy - for whatever ulterior motives he is coming
from/with - can try to say that he doesn't like the law so
No "ulterior motives" whatsoever. Keep on thinking it if you like, however,
it's keeping me very entertained.
therefore MS isn't guilty of anything. But half the world
has told him that he is full of shit. And all his pro-MS
America is "half the world" now ?
posturing aside, deep down in his heart he KNOWS he is full
of shit.
Cool, I always love being analysed by wanna-be psychiatrists.
¯ Jeez. If he's wrong then it ought to be
¯ easy.
IF??? Please tell me that you are not going to pretend that
MS WASN'T found guilty.
*sigh*
You still don't get it.
In any case, I don't ever recall having said they weren't.
--
From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:33:34 +1000
"JS/PL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Joseph" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Then let me be clear - your opinion has NO weight. why? You don't like
the
laws and you ignore the principles on which we establish facts and
truth.
Fine. Okay.
It is this very questioning of authority which founded the United States,
and it is his very attitude which makes him a (more) solid American.
I'm an Australian ;). Fortunately we also have a long history of Problems
With Authority.
--
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000
Linux-Advocacy Digest #453
Linux-Advocacy Digest #453, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 12:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? ("B. Joshua Rosen")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:06:56 GMT
"T" == T Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Said Chris Wenham in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
"T" == T Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
(I've noticed that I "seem" to be saying a lot that I, in fact,
didn't.)
Funny how that works, isn't it? Language is a wonderous thing. The way
you say something, what you choose to say, the things you avoid saying;
all of these are just as important as your words. Of course, a typical
troll tactic is to insist that all else must be ignored, particularly
when it shows that your words are empty, endless attempts at
misdirection and insinuation. I call it "intentional ignorance", and it
is a game I refuse to play.
Oh, am I being too harsh?
I understand the rage in your words, but not the words.
I think most Kitchentop PC buyers have [...]
First you say you're thinking, but then the rest is just you imagining
that you can second-guess the market. I've got no time and less
patience for it, thanks.
It looks like the part you snipped was "...prioritized what they're
willing to spend time learning. Most of them are looking for a vendor
they can trust so that they can just buy their PC, use it out of the
box and spend the rest of their time dealing with higher
priorities."
That's an opinion I infered from observation. I told you what was the
observation. I prefaced the opinions with "I think". And in regards
to the inferences I made, I would also be interested in evidence to
the alternatives.
Chris; the reason the desktop market 'belongs' to Windows and Linux
can't get into it is because Microsoft criminally prevented OEMs from
engaging in a free market.
*sigh*
Proven in a court of law, and all that, and I
don't feel like going over it all on Usenet yet again.
EXCELLENT! I THOUGHT I WAS IN AN ARGUMENT WHICH PUT ALL OF THAT
BEHIND IT!
Lets have a party to celebrate Max's realization: That the monopoly
and how it was enforced is a concept that's _undersood_!
How about we get back to talking about the original subject: How we
can sell more Linux boxes to the Kitchentop market? Huh? How about
that, eh? Here's my suggestion: I think that the presense of
technical support is a /major/ selling factor. AND GUESS WHAT? That's
what I've been talking about for the past six or seven posts! WHAT AN
OBSERVATION!
All the rest of this is just desperate trolling on your part.
No, let me tell you what's desparate: Someone who invents ulterior
motives and attributes them to his opponent because he's trying to
change the subject.
How about you stop trying to find reasons to call me a troll and
start finding reasons to support your argument? Here's a rehash of
mine, as to provide context when you remind us of yours:
In order to sell to the Kitchentop market, technical support must be
included as part of the package. I say this because I've directly
observed first-time home computer buyers and what their behavior
suggests are their primary concerns.
NOTE TO SPECTATORS: This point has nothing to do with Microsoft, its
monopoly, the Trilateral Comission, the Pope or the Queen Mum. It's
point is addressing the prospects of Free Software in a post-monopoly
era that may possibly follow a court ordered remedy.
ADDENDUM TO NOTE: I have never changed the subject to deviate from
this. Not by pretending that the monopoly is anything more than
background to the issue. Not even by calling Max a troll, an idiot, a
silly person or a Republican. The author would APPRECIATE similar
restraint from Mr. Devlin, rather than lobbing around the word
"troll" as if character assasination was now the only thing that
could save his face.
It has nothing
to do with education, tech support, or technology.
It HAD nothing to do with education, tech support or technology. But
now it /can/. If the contracts which forced alternative operating
systems off most PCs have been nulled by the courts, then Free
Software must still have some intrinsic benefits beyond price and the
incarnated expression of free speech.
Regards,
Chris Wenham
--
From: "B. Joshua Rosen" [EMAIL
Linux-Advocacy Digest #454
Linux-Advocacy Digest #454, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 12:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous (Salvador
Peralta)
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux ("Rich C")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:34:25 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
I just have no idea of what you are saying. Are you saying my answer was
not an accurate answer to your question? How am I supposed to answer to
"was he mistaken?" if not by "yes, he was"?
It is lost in the mist of time, Roberto. I don't have time or patience
to backtrack to review your pedantic point.
If you are not willing to answer the questions, don't reply to the
posts.
An answer saying "I can not be bothered to reply" is not an answer.
I did answer the question. I just didn't give you the answer you wanted
to hear.
If you don't want others to answer your questions, don't ask them.
If the answer to your question id correct and useless, your question
is badly formulated.
Yea, sure. Heh.
Yup.
Suffice it to say that some
answers are technically correct, and still not simply useless, but
wrong, within the context of the discussion.
Suffice to say that you are willing to say anything, as long as
its insulting.
Yea, sure. Heh.
Well, you have tried many different insults, at least.
Perhaps you are more stupid than I expected. I honestly believed you
were just ignorant.
Stupid, ignorant, misinformed, misguided; I have the full range of human
failings. I don't deny it.
So why is it you are still unable to keep up with me in honest
discussion,
So you say.
and want to keep getting side-tracked into meta-discussions
where you malign my intent and work furiously to distract the
conversation by providing technically accurate but realistically useless
responses,
Coming from the man that believes the effect of the sticky bit
is a "t" that appears on his screen every once in a while.
and then arguing over whether they are accurate, rather than
whether they are cogent?
That word again.
--
Roberto Alsina
--
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:27:54 GMT
"T" == T Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Said Marty in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
Chris Wenham wrote:
"rj" == rj friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
being wrong and you being right. Stick your head in the sand
and pretend all you want - but deep in your heart you have
to face the fact that you are 100% full of shit.
And why are you so full of coprolalia?
Either you're talking *way* over his head or you just misspelled "crapola".
I think he meant "coprophilia", actually.
Coprolalia, literally translated, means "shit talk".
Regards,
Chris Wenham
--
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:35:18 GMT
"rj" == rj friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:53:28 Chris Wenham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
¯ Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
¯ being wrong and you being right. Stick your head in the sand
¯ and pretend all you want - but deep in your heart you have
¯ to face the fact that you are 100% full of shit.
¯ And why are you so full of coprolalia?
Full of what?
I usually look up words I don't understand :-)
¯ Just debate the facts, man...
What facts are there to debate.
I guess the ones listed in the Findings of Fact. If someone disagrees
with the court's findings, then I think Usenet is an excellent place
to take that argument. You MIGHT even find people willing to humor
you in a civilized manner ;-)
¯ Jeez. If he's wrong then it ought to be
¯ easy.
IF??? Please tell me that you are not going to pretend that
MS
Linux-Advocacy Digest #455
Linux-Advocacy Digest #455, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 14:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Will MS kill off Compaq and Gateway? (jlsue)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (KDE RULES) ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Gnome or KDE (Jim Richardson)
Info needed (Hector Vega)
Re: Rock and a hard place. (Binh Ngo)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux ("Nigel Feltham")
Decent Linux CDR software wanted. ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Windtrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
saysLinux growth stagnating
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates)
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you!
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux
Re: Why Does Microsoft Assume That They Know What I Want? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest (Richard)
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest (Richard)
From: jlsue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.windows.advocacy,comp.os.mac.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: Will MS kill off Compaq and Gateway?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:12:17 GMT
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:05:34 -0400, junekis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Here's a little speculation for you conspiracy buffs:
Microsoft has been heard saying for the last couple of years that they
are
having trouble coming up with upgrades to Windows that are compelling
enough
to cause people to upgrade - so to protect their revenues, they may have
to come
up with a version that is "rented" instead of purchased - you will write
a monthly
check for, say, $30 to microsoft every month as your "software bill".
[snip...]
Then again, maybe only IBM and Dell will be smart enough to survive a
great Microsoft Backstabbing!
Well, if Compaq relied solely on the MS/Intel PC business, you may
have a point there. However, since acquiring Tandem and Digital,
Compaq has *much* more to offer, and doesn't have to rest solely on
the MS world of computing.
Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq
(get rid of the in my address to e-mail)
--
From: "Ingemar Lundin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (KDE RULES)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:41:51 GMT
KDE has won the "war" long time ago, this is exactly what fragmentation
means in context of the Linux community!
/IL
"Unix vendors adopt Gnome desktop
--
From: "Stuart Fox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:31:32 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
No. I have a full understanding of the behavior of the individuals
listed in my .sig, and how to keep their behavior under control
As a Unix Systems Engineer (whatever that is), you should know about
something called a dr evil"killfile"/dr evil. Perhaps that's the best
way to "keep their behaviour under control", and avoid pissing off most of
the readers of this ng.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:57:31 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:58:20 GMT,
Tim Hanson, in the persona of [EMAIL PROTECTED],
brought forth the following words...:
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
The Ghost In The Machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
You had ones? All we had was zeros.
You were lucky.
We had to bang two rocks together to get the zeros...
I had to walk 10 miles, uphill, in the snow just to get the rocks!
You young whippersnappers had it easy! We had to quarry the rocks out
of the ground at the bottom of a frozen swamp using only our noses.
In the middle of a blizzard. And we were glad of it! You've never
had it so good...
Both ways? :-)
All three of them!
Donal.
Oh yeah? When we had done all that we had to put it all into a card
reader and write about it, using vi!!
you were lucky, we didn't have vi, all we had was iii :)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #456
Linux-Advocacy Digest #456, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 15:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux ("Rich C")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux ("Rich C")
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's (Brian Langenberger)
Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Karel Jansens)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating ("Mike Byrns")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating ("Mike Byrns")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Josiah Fizer)
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. (Tim Kelley)
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Tim Kelley)
From: "Rich C" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:15:50 -0400
"Nathaniel Jay Lee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Milton wrote:
In a desperate attempt, to regain some legitimacy in the high-tech
software arena, Microsoft® is letting a an experienced 3rd party,
Mainsoft, port it's applications to the state of the art operating
system, Linux.
The results, so far, have been disappointing.
Brought to you by Windows 2000 Magazine
http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2874
:)
This sounds more like MS trying to find ways to make sure all of its
current security problems can be ported to Linux. Or a way of trying to
make Linux look bad in other ways. I just don't think MS is capable of
doing this in an attempt to look technically efficient. It is more than
likely to make Linux crash and burn. Or, as the article itself says, to
use poor and 'behind the times' apps on Linux to try and convince people
to move 'to Windows'. Of course, this is a little silly since a lot of
us moved FROM Windows to Linux.
Of course, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time either.
I think it's more of an attempt to carry forward MS's bloated, proprietary
document formats to other operating systems, to hold those users hostage as
well.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
--
From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:25:58 +1000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8nh80n$q6c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8ng5vn$6ft$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8ng5jh$uv4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8ne7hg$bk2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Sheesh. First you use TWM, and now mc running in an *xterm* ?
No, I never said I was using TWM.
My bad, it was fvwm, was it not ?
And you wonder why people accuse you of "cheating" ?
If the finctionality is equivalent, where is the cheating?
Because the functionality *isn't* the same - that's the point.
Explorer can and has done that since IE4.
Again, talking about the Windows Explorer (explorer.exe) NOT Internet
Explorer.
It is normal explorer, using the IE component from within it.
Or would you prefer good ol' wheel-reinventing and have FTP implemented
in
explorer *and* internet explorer ?
What version of Windows Explorer are you considering?
IIRC, you can do this once you've installed IE4 (and its "shell
integration") on whatever version of Windows you are running.
--
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:12:56 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
One thing I am glad, they never got as bad as Voyager. Voyager should
be
subtitled "one series too many".
Voyager was good if you didn't think of it as a Star Trek spin-off.
For me it lost a lot of its credibility in the first season. In the first
episode it is stated that Voyager outclassed any ship in the delta
quaderant. In terms of speed, fire power, and technology.
In that first episode they
Linux-Advocacy Digest #457
Linux-Advocacy Digest #457, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating ("Drestin Black")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Josiah Fizer)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Anthony D. Tribelli")
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux Presidential Candidates? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...) (mark)
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you!
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:16:44 -0500
Tim Kelley wrote:
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
You're happily married? God I feel sorry for your husband. He probably
comes home every night to a different personality and a different 'mood'
within that personality. Tell me something, how does he feel about your
multiple personalities and overall childish behavior?
Well, I suppose he never sees it. After all, you wouldn't want anyone
you actually 'know' to see this side of you (or these sides of you).
Her husband is only one more of his personalities. Actually,
steve/claire/heather/keys88 is a guy, so we really have a
personality recursion loop where Steve is talking though claire
(his wife) about his husband (steve?).
You know, you're probably right. I would suppose that the kids are all
personality splits too. One thing about it, you would never be lonely.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
--
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: 17 Aug 2000 14:36:02 -0500
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8nfes0$9ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
snip
You have given a non-denial denial. You challenge my reasons
for suspecting you of having a financial tie to Microsoft, but
you don't deny that you have financial ties to Microsoft.
These ties could be anything from preferred treatment within MSDN
to a contract as a Microsoft Press Agent. Do you deny, without
qualifications, that you have any financial motives for supporting
Microsoft?
I state for the record and without any qualification that I do not have ANY
financial motives for supporting Microsoft. I have NEVER received ANY
preferred treatment within MSDN nor am I a MS Press Agent. I do not and
never have worked for MS. I have never received a single penny from MS for
any reason(except a software rebate once or twice, I think). I do not have
any financial ties to Microsoft.
My company and I uses and resells some MS products and we profit from doing
this. THAT is how I profit from "MS doing well."
Drestin Black
(however, after writing a negative post about a linux distribution, the
distributor never did offer to send me another free copy, so I *could* be
considered to have been influenced by their actions... grin)
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:38:04 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
"JS/PL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to consumers Microsoft is just_another_choice.
Ask twenty consumers at Wal-Mart or Circuit City what other "choice" is
available besides Microsoft.
Curtis
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:03:30 GMT
"Josiah" == Josiah Fizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chris Wenham wrote:
I must be missing something, or you are. I thought Everblue was the
effort to port the X window toolkit to OS/2's Presentation Manager to
make it easier to port X applications and run them seamlessly.
Someone could do the same with Windows - making it easier to port X
applications and run
Linux-Advocacy Digest #458
Linux-Advocacy Digest #458, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Joe Ragosta)
Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux ("John Hill")
Re: Star Trek Voyager (was: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's) (Craig
Kelley)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joe Ragosta)
Re: Linux Presidential Candidates? (Tim Kelley)
Spammers and such. (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Craig Kelley)
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's ("KLH")
Re: Linux Presidential Candidates? (Craig Kelley)
From: Joe Ragosta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:17:06 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Lars Träger wrote:
Bob B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You guys RUINED the NT Brand by over promising and giving it a bad
reputation as it was evaluated by standards to which it could not
achieve. NT was a good PC OS but boy was it over sold and MS had to
dump
the NT Brand to be taken seriously --
Yes, NT was a failure in the marketplace and they had to change
the name. Just like Apple OS 9 is a failure and they had to
introduce OS X.
Apple changed the name because it is a completely different OS.
OS X is "OS ten" It's a minor change in name relative to the BSD roots
of the
OS.
I've wondered about that. They basically did three things by choosing OS
X:
1. Created a nomenclature which is going to be mispronounced. Regularly.
2. Made it look like OS X is only a one step change from Mac OS 9.x.
3. Made it effectively impossible to continue to improve Mac OS 9.x if
they choose to do so.
--
From: "John Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:26:35 +0100
Milton wrote in message ...
In a desperate attempt, to regain some legitimacy in the high-tech
software arena, Microsoft® is letting a an experienced 3rd party,
Mainsoft, port it's applications to the state of the art operating
system, Linux.
The results, so far, have been disappointing.
Could they be anything else ?
Brought to you by Windows 2000 Magazine
http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2874
:)
--
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Star Trek Voyager (was: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's)
From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Aug 2000 15:30:41 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
One thing I am glad, they never got as bad as Voyager. Voyager should
be
subtitled "one series too many".
Voyager was good if you didn't think of it as a Star Trek spin-off.
For me it lost a lot of its credibility in the first season. In the first
episode it is stated that Voyager outclassed any ship in the delta
quaderant. In terms of speed, fire power, and technology.
In that first episode they first encountered a hostile alien race. Through
out that first season they kept encountering that same race, not only the
same race but the same individuals in that race and the same ships.
Through out that season they kept talking about travling straight back home,
but then given their superior speed they should not have been encountering
the same ships and individuals unless they were flying in circles.
In other seasons it is learned that the delta quaderant is the location of
the home Borg and they are well know by the inhabitants there. Which
invalidates the statement of their ship outclassing anything in the
quaderant.
Geeez.. Talk about nit picking. :)
Voyager is just like any other form of entertainment (and any other
form of Star Trek), there are some good episodes and some bad ones.
Personally, I enjoyed DS9 the most of all the series; it actually
became somewhat of a soap opera, but it also allowed for much more
character development than the status-quo series (tos, tng, voy) where
most every episode had to leave the envoronment in the same condition
that it started with.
Voyager is kinda cool in that they can totally screw up the delta
quadrant and not be responsible for messing up the other trek
timelines; but they don't take advantage of that very often. I'm
looking forward the the season premeire; I've heard that they get home
this
Linux-Advocacy Digest #459
Linux-Advocacy Digest #459, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 19:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )) Open source: an idea whose time has come (phil hunt) From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:23:32 GMT In article XDhl5.5147$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:8n2uj7$r4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... ATT decided to use UNIX to control it's switching systems. Since they made this decision prior to divestiture, all of the Baby Bells were dependent on UNIX too. What would happen if your company's telephone system stopped working for an hour or two? How about if an entire city came "unplugged"? You do realize that ATT and the bells have always used redundancy. switches fail, but they've always had extensive cutovers and the ability to re-route around failures. Yes. I was a developer on one of the first computerized Directory Assistance systems to go nationwide. We had developed the original using PDP-11s and a hacked up version of RT-11, with one of the very first clustered systems. We ran 8 PDP-11/44 processors per cluster, connected to up to 32 group controllers, each group controller supported up to 24 8085/8088 processors and up 20 terminal cluster controllers. Each cluster controller served up to 20 terminals. Each data volume was redundantly stored on 3 drives, more for better performance. Keep in mind that a PDP-11/44 was about as fast and had about as much memory as a PC/XT. With our additional support processors, each SCU (pdp-11 with supporting 8008 group controller and 4004 drive controller (essentially a bridge between ESDI and something like SCSI) we could get almost as much power as a PC/AT. These systems had down-times of 15 minutes/year or 3 parts/million. When we won the 2ADA bid, (just before devistature) we began moving the whole thing to UNIX. Furthermore, we ended up deploying it at British Telecomm. It was amazing. The entire UNIX development took less time than a single upgrade revision (minor structure changes) to the legacy system. What made the job so much easier was that we didn't have to reinvent the wheel to do simple things like queue jobs to the printer (lpr), generate formatted reports (tbl | nroff), route messages (ip), connect to remote computers (tcp), and create databases (awk, sed, grep). We didn't even have to create relational databases (split, join). And when we did have a huge table we didn't have to create an ISAM (dbm). Keep in mind that this in 1983, about 7 years before the first SQL databases appeared for UNIX. The culture of UNIX was "It will fail, what will you do?". As a result, code was much more carefully tested, reliable code was packaged into self-contained units that could be linked together without risk of breaking the components. UNIX developers also came up with things like RAID, Clustering, and hot-standby or active-redundant systems that could cutover in a matter of milliseconds. RAID was developed as a means of producing faster, more inexpensive disk subsystems. One of my supervisors, Anita Freeman, was on the SCSI draft committee when the SASI standard was being formalized to the ANSII SCSI standard. Almost from the very beginning, Anita had the goal of supporting redundancy within SCSI. Anita had worked on the projects decribed above. She knew that we needed the ability to quickly update multiple drives concurrently. The concept of RAID was implemented in ESDI and SASI long before the formal buzzword/acronym evolved for the SCSI version. When they first announced RAID-1 my CCI colegues chuckled and said "Gee, I wonder where they got that idea from" - of course, they were doing "RAID" back in 1978. Of course, back in those days, it was RAED - Redundant Array of Expensive Drives. Redundancy was added because it made sense, but was not the primary motivation. RAID-0 reduced the latency and fetch time for large files. RAID-1 was specifically designed for high performance, high availability databases. RAID-5 became popular because you could get more storage into fewer drives - and this was only practical when you kept the drives pretty much synchronized (since you had to read all stripes each time data was written to create the ECC drive. Eventually, UNIX even found it's way into things like Air Traffic Control, Military tactical systems, and even strategic systems like Norad and SAC. Although these systems were primarily mainframe based until recent years. Mainframe - as in OS/370? Most of the tactical and strategic systems were implemented on supercomputers using either ADA or a combination of ADA and UNIX. I used to chuckle when ininformed managers would
Linux-Advocacy Digest #462
Linux-Advocacy Digest #462, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Spammers and such.
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest (Richard)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates)
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest (Richard)
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: there are plenty of good paradigms (Richard)
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Linux Presidential Candidates? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Spammers and such.
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:08:53 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I have been getting an awful lot of spam lately. Almost all of it is
coming from this newsgroup being scanned for email addies.
Anyway, I wanted to pose a question to the group to see if it's
something everyone has noticed. In the past couple of months, I keep
getting more and more spam. I didn't sign up for anything more (but
have posted a lot to this and a couple of other newsgroups), and I
haven't dealt with a lot of the companies in question. But, I have
noticed that the more recent spam attacks have been adding a line
about complying with all spamming laws and such. It's my assumption
they just put that line in there so that people 'think' they comply
with the law, when in fact they are just skirting it anyway.
My question is, has anyone else noticed this? And if so, is anyone
familiar with the law in question and whether or not they are actually
'fully complying' with said law? I'm just curious about this little
subject and wondered what the group had to say.
I have noticed this as well. I have not responded to any of them except for
the one that really went overboard. Those few that I have responded to are
not around any more. evil grin
I don't know just what the law says about this. Normal spam I treat like
junk mail I toss it away. Those that arrive under false pretenses or are
clear scams that could hurt the less warry, I take action on.
As of now I have received two spams made to appear as email followups to my
postings in COLA. There have been some other ploys like the spam email that
begins with "This is NOT spam, this is a reply to your request for further
information". They are not directing that comment to the addresse but to
any authorities that the addresse might take the spam to for action.
--
From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:17:04 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The closest that psychology has to do with rationality is that it
*uses* rationality as an ideal; psychology has no say in what is and
isn't rational. It's PHILOSOPHY that defines *ALL* of those things!
Whether or not they define those terms is irrelevant to whether
psychologists have useful things to say about them.
A perfectly valid point. And the answer to your implicit question is
'no'. PsychologY (1) does not have anything useful to say about the
interrelationships between self-interest, rationality, interest of
others, and morality. These are things that are completely within
the domain of philosophy. What psychology has a lot to say about is
how and why rationality breaks down, under what conditions morality
develops, how strong people's self-interest is, et cetera. But this
is not what I was talking about, is completely outside of the context
of the discussion (which revolved around whether these things are
mutually exclusive or not) and is *waay* outside of its scope.
(Sorry Morphis, but if you're going to take potshots in the dark,
be prepared to miss *big time*. And why didn't you think to cut
me some slack for having to deal with Perry?)
Most psychologists I have met share that "delusion".
And *NO* philosopher I've met has thought that there is a large
overlap between any of these things.
How many philosophers you met? How many have discussed this topic
in your presence? What year in school are you?
If you re-read the objection Perry had to which I was responding, you
may understand exactly why I phrased myself that way. I *could* have
stated that "very few philosophers believe there is a large overlap
between self-interest, rationality and morality -- and the few that do
are morons" but I didn't because I want my argument with Perry to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #464
Linux-Advocacy Digest #464, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 22:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (Tim Hanson) Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. (OSguy) Om (Sphere) From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:58:57 GMT "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Windows 2000 appears to still have severe performance limitations, and reliability may actually be getting worse." I reviewed the posting to which you were responding. This quote is not in that posting. To my knowledge (both research and experience), Windows 2000 is much more reliable than NT 4.0 and is the most reliable operating system Microsoft has produced yet. ...a low bar, indeed. There have been reports of people having to rebuild the entire server more often (semiannually with NT, quarterly with Win2K), but this may be inexperience, new Win2K procedures that NT admins haven't mastered yet, or a remaining glitch that Microsoft could easily fix with a service pack. ...or two or five I don't have enough direct experience with Windows 2000 to assess it either way. Put simply. Given the choice between upgrading from Windows 95 to Windows 98, Windows NT, or Windows 2000, I'd choose 2000. I'd probably choose it over ME too. If I want a video game, I'll buy a $200 Nintendo, not a $2000 PC. You sir, are either blind or a flat-out liar. My eyes are quite good. As for making the statement you have attributed to me. Which of us is the liar? (I'll recheck again if you'd like?) -- Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer http://www.open4success.com Linux - 42 million satisfied users worldwide and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. -- When in doubt, use brute force. -- Ken Thompson -- From: OSguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:16:09 -0500 I like Xcdroast (which does use cdrecord and mkisofs programs). It has done very well for me in Burning both audio and data CDs with a mix of ISO9660 and Joilet filesystems. I will be even happier for a version of Xcdroast that will have the option to Erase a CDRW disk. Nigel Feltham wrote: This may be the wrong group for this question but does anyone here know of a good linux CDR writing package similar to 'Win on CD'. I have tried kisofs and gtoaster but both of these have problems which make them unsuitable for my intended purposes. Neither of them have percentage bars to show how far the image creation and writing operations have completed so far. gtoaster cannot make images without copying all files to a local directory and kisofs makes it difficult to delete individual directories from the filetree added to cd project. Maybe I will have more success with xcdroast but it also looks like it may be unsuitable. Perhaps if nothing currently available suits my purposes then the maintainers of current software could at least make a note of my criticism of their products and use this to improve things in future versions and until then I will keep my home machine dualboot with windblows used for CD writing and linux for normal use. -- From: Sphere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Om Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:08:05 GMT #include stdio.h #include string.h #include ctype.h #include stdlib.h typedef unsigned char DVD40bitKey[5]; void CSSdescramble(DVD40bitKey *key); void CSSdescrambleSector(DVD40bitKey *key, unsigned char *sec); void CSStitlekey1(DVD40bitKey *key, DVD40bitKey *im); void CSStitlekey2(DVD40bitKey *key, DVD40bitKey *im); void CSSdecrypttitlekey(DVD40bitKey *tkey, DVD40bitKey *dkey); int CSScracker(int StartVal, unsigned char* pStream,DVD40bitKey *pkey); int CSScrackerDVD(int StartVal, unsigned char* pCrypted, unsigned char* pDecrypted, DVD40bitKey*StreamKey, DVD40bitKey *pkey); #define once 0x33 #define upon 0x73 #define a_time 0x3b #define there 0x26 #define was 0x63 #define a_horrible 0x23 #define ogre 0x6b #define named 0x76 #define judge 0x3e #define kaplan 0x7e #define who 0x36 #define hated 0x2b #define all_the 0x6e #define little 0x2e #define people 0x66 #define and_loved 0x7b #define only 0xd3 #define the_rich 0x93 #define and_powerfull 0xdb #define corporations 0x06 #define who_could 0x43 #define buy 0x03 #define many 0x4b #define expensive 0x96 #define lawyers 0xde #define this_bad 0x9e #define man 0xd6 #define decided 0x0b #define to_help 0x4e #define his 0x0e #define rich_and 0x46 #define powerfull 0x9b #define friends 0x57 #define steal 0x17 #define
Linux-Advocacy Digest #463
Linux-Advocacy Digest #463, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Star Trek Voyager (was: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's) (Michael
Vester)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Marty)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Marty)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Marty)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Stephen S. Edwards II)
From: Michael Vester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Star Trek Voyager (was: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:10:34 -0700
Craig Kelley wrote:
Voyager is just like any other form of entertainment (and any other
form of Star Trek), there are some good episodes and some bad ones.
Personally, I enjoyed DS9 the most of all the series; it actually
became somewhat of a soap opera, but it also allowed for much more
character development than the status-quo series (tos, tng, voy) where
most every episode had to leave the envoronment in the same condition
that it started with.
Voyager is kinda cool in that they can totally screw up the delta
quadrant and not be responsible for messing up the other trek
timelines; but they don't take advantage of that very often. I'm
looking forward the the season premeire; I've heard that they get home
this year...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
I gave up on the Star Trek formula after the end of TNG.
Babylon 5 is unconditionally the greatest television show
ever. 110, one hour episodes and 5 television movies to tell
an epic story. Many well developed characters and all sorts of
real life parables. In many respects, Babylon 5 was much like
the original Star Trek when it came to making a statement
about who and what we are.
It was remarkable that a science fiction show of Babylon 5
quality could ever be produced. It is way beyond the
understanding of a television producer's brain. The %95 crap
on the airwaves is evidence that a television producer has a
very low functioning mind capable of such works as Hercules,
Xena, BeastMaster, Ali McBeal, E.R., Survivor, Big Brother,
and the list goes on.
Babylon 5 was much more realistic in the science department
than Star Trek. The only real stretch were the jump gates and
hyperspace. It would have made a very slow story if it took
decades or centuries to travel between the stars. But no
transporters, replicators, holi-decks or other Star Trek
magical devices.
In the Star Trek universe, they seem able enough to control
the conversion of mass like a human being into energy and back
again but they can't build an instrument panel that does not
blow up (the biggest cause of Star Trek casualties). Star Trek
writers obviously have no knowledge of science. In the 20th
century, man could build instrument panels that do not blow
up, why not in the 24th century? Are the writers so desperate
that they have to kill characters with that same old, stupid
senerio?
I used to be a big Star Trek (original) fan but Babylon 5 has
taken that place. Babylon 5 will be the benchmark for a long
time. Farscape is turning out to be pretty good series too. It
has interesting characters, good writing and reasonable
science. Season 2 starts here on September 12. Starship
Troopers is a great half hour CGA effort. Very likable
characters and a real nasty enemy. It is great to see the good
guys in trouble not because of their incompetence but because
the bad guys are really bad. The series is much better than
the movie. The science is much more plausible than Star Trek.
The gadgets they use in Starship Troopers are quite
fascinating and represent good "science" fiction.
On the other hand, in Battlestar Galactica, the Cylons simply
had to set up a "free liquor" planet in front of the fleet.
Good-bye Colonial Warriors, since they would be drinking and
womanizing instead of defending the fleet. The Colonial
Warriors had only one responsible adult and it was not Lorne
Greene. Colonel Tigh (Terry Carter) was the only one that put
honor and duty before getting drunk and screwing around. The
enemy, the Cylons, were pretty pathetic too. Hollywood extra's
stumbling around in cardboard boxes wrapped in aluminum foil.
How far have we come since 1980. Never let Glen Larson produce
a science fiction show again.
Michael Vester
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #465
Linux-Advocacy Digest #465, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 23:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )) Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux (sfcybear) Re: Om (mlw) Re: news article (Tim Hanson) Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than Crack-Cocaine) (Me) Re: It's official, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Microsoft=AE?= porting applications to (Tim Hanson) Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Donovan Rebbechi) Re: It's official, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Microsoft=AE?= porting applications to (Tim Hanson) Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious (Jim Richardson) Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Jim Richardson) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Jim Richardson) Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than (Gary Hallock) Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Jerry McBride) From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:04:12 GMT In article LUWl5.17170$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:8mg4e0$sml$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... snip Lycos has tried Windows NT three times. lie. The first time, they tried to run an array of NT 3.51 servers against Sun servers. The were allowed to announce that they were using NT, and users were given the options and counts for each server. You could pick either. NT failed so badly that Lycos pulled the plug on it. They issued a carefully worded announcement (designed to slip past the Microsoft NDA censors) which - if you read between the lines - said "We had so many problems we just decided that we couldn't afford the hassle, no matter how much free stuff Microsft was willing to give us". More lies. How old are you Drestin? What were YOU doing in 1994! How many web sites had YOU hosted! I had already put Dow Jones on the site, had worked with techical leaders at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and was in communication via e-mail with Marc Andreeson and the founders of Lycos, Yahoo, and Infoseek. see http://www.open4success.com/Olnews Lycos was one of the first commercial web-based search engines (WAIS Inc, with whom I was working, was the first). They originally implemented using Sun machines. Initially Sparc 20s then 6s and then Enterprise 1000s. When NT 4.0 came out, Lycos waited until after Service pak 3, and again tried using NT 4.0 strictly as a front-end server. Again, they found that the overhead was too expensive. The trial was unplugged before they even got out. even more lies. I got this one via a usenet post, so it could be bogus. It was during 1997 when I switched from Online-Newpapers mailing lists to dejanews. I'm not sure which source. I know Microsoft had been putting a lot of pressure on everybody to put NT into high-profile server roles. It's certainly likely that they were approached, ran some preliminary tests, and simply decided not to even attempt to put it into production. This time, Microsoft is pulling out all the stops. They are planning to support 1000 Windows 2000 servers as "front-ends". Lycos could still pull the plug and switch to Linux or FreeBSD, but this way they get free hardware, software, installation, and support. one way of putting it... And if this test failed, Microsoft will insist that Lycos honor the clause of the agreement which forbids it from publishing information that could damage the brand name. You don't really think that Microsoft will be willing to have Lycos print on it's home page "Microsoft bombs again" do you? Don't expect to find either of the above tests on the Microsoft site. Microsoft burns the dead bodies. a... so convienient... and I supposed MS also killed EVERYONE involved in the project, present and ex-employees and burned their dead bodies too? I didn't mean that Microsoft actually killed anybody. I'm just saying that you aren't going to see many public disclosures of Microsoft failures. Certainly not on the Microsoft site (even in the "here's what NOT to do section"). When news of a virus or killer bug does leak out, Microsoft announces a trivial patch that is supposed to fix it. Which raises the question - how could Melissa, Explore-zip, Iloveyou, and 'resume' have succeeded if Microsoft supposedly closed the security hole? 1994 was a long time ago in web-years. The average Internet consultant stays with a client for 12-18 months in a "long term" engagement. The average venture-capital/pre-IPO employee stays long enough for his options to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #28 Fri, 18 Aug 00 00:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Tim Hanson)
Re: Info needed (Tim Hanson)
Re: MCSE != Engineer (Was: Microsoft MCSE (David M. Cook)
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come (Tim Hanson)
Re: Steve/Mike's 37th Fake Name (was: So ya' wanna' run Linux?...I have a bridge for
sale in Bklyn. (David M. Cook)
Re: It's official, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Microsoft=AE?= porting applications to (Tim
Hanson)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Craig Kelley)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? ("B. Joshua Rosen")
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:12:56 GMT
Truckasaurus wrote:
So, to all you Windows advocates, who have claimed that the Linux/Open
Source communities will fragment and drown in quarrelling:
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO48629,00.html:
"Unix vendors adopt Gnome desktop
By DOMINIQUE DECKMYN
(August 16, 2000) Desktop Linux gained momentum on the first day of
LinuxWorld in San Jose, as vendors including Red Hat Inc., Hewlett-
Packard Co., IBM, Compaq Computer Corp., Sun Microsystems Inc. and VA
Linux Systems Inc. joined to form the Gnome Foundation."
Not only is Gnome manifesting itself as a popular Desktop environment
in Linux - Gnome seems to bind different UNIX vendors together, where
we all know that the (commercial) UNIX commuity is traditionally a
fragmented one.
In your face, Windows advocates! Linux fragmentation my butt!
I think its healthy, regardless of all the doom mongers' whining. I'm
no KDE fan myself, but I know a lot of Windows users who may not have
switched had it not been for it. Maybe the extra pressure from this
push toward GNOME will prod KDE into dumping that ridiculous licensing /
kickback scheme.
--
If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door.
-- Paul Beatty
--
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Info needed
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:13:33 GMT
Hector Vega wrote:
Hi, for an investigation, I would like to have the addresses of web
pages with information regarding the use of Linux by Government
agencies, or Laws prohibiting the use of non Open Source Software by
Government.
Thanks in advance.
Second that.
--
If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door.
-- Paul Beatty
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: MCSE != Engineer (Was: Microsoft MCSE
Date: 18 Aug 2000 03:19:57 GMT
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:44:32 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's sad. I think you would find Engineering school very rewarding.
I have a B.S. in Physics, and I'm Physics grad school drop out (UT@Austin).
It was the Linux hobby that got me my last 2 jobs, though.
Dave Cook
--
From: Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:23:35 -0400
On 18 Aug 2000 00:49:54 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You'll never get at the .MDB file from outside Access except via ODBC,
but, fortunately, you can write VBA code inside Access to export your
database - including its structure, queries, etc. - into XML, SQL DDL
statements, or any other format that might be useful for
reconstructing the database in an SQL environment (in Linux or
anyplace else).
Access should output to CSV or TSV.
--
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:23:49 GMT
Steve Mentzer wrote:
Let's take these events one by one:
Ok...
(1) Open-Sourcing StarOffice
StarOffice was previously available on a "free beer" licence. Now it is
being open sourced. This will make it future-proof: the software will
never go away, and will always get upgraded to work with new environments,
so long as a (small) minimal number of users are
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #28 Fri, 18 Aug 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: there are plenty of good paradigms ("Ostracus")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (Tim Hanson)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Tim Hanson)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Tim Hanson)
GNOME KDE, and the motivation for creation... (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come (Tim Hanson)
Re: GNOME KDE, and the motivation for creation... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Om ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:28:04 -0500
"Tim Hanson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In your face, Windows advocates! Linux fragmentation my butt!
I think its healthy, regardless of all the doom mongers' whining. I'm
no KDE fan myself, but I know a lot of Windows users who may not have
switched had it not been for it. Maybe the extra pressure from this
push toward GNOME will prod KDE into dumping that ridiculous licensing /
kickback scheme.
I don't know about you, but if I'd just spent the last what, 2-3 years
working my ass off on developing something like KDE and then the majority of
the Linux/unix community decides to go with a competing effort, I'd be
rather pissed that I had wasted the last 3 years of my life doing virtually
nothing.
That can't be good for the morale of open source developers.
--
From: "Ostracus" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: there are plenty of good paradigms
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:27:27 -0500
In article 8ne9g7$8ni$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K.
Fellows) wrote:
snip
Why is godhood so much hard work?
And remember we have only two more days to finish. :)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellowshttp://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: 18 Aug 2000 04:28:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Kelley) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Mike Byrns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, but we have a choice under Linux of whether we want to
significantly add to our program's bulk, or to just use the one-line
fork() call. Forking is fairly scalable, but not as scalable as
threads in most situations. The problem is, 90% of the time (my
time, anyway) you don't care if the process is extremely scalable
and you can ditch a bunch of complexity by using processes instead.
And if using fork() ends up consuming too many resources, you can just
fork out for a more powerful platform! g Sorry, just couldn't
resist.
Yep, Linux does provide a good path to powerful OSes like AIX.
I would think that since Linux is so very close to POSIX.1 and
POSIX.2 compliance, that it would make a decent path to nearly
any other UNIX variant, no?
While my dislike of the Linux kernel is well known, I can say
that migrating most of my UNIX application data from Linux to
IRIX was rather painless.
--
.-.
|[_] | Stephen S. Edwards II | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount/
| = :| -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|-| "Even though you can't see the details, you can sense them.
| | And that is what makes great computer graphics."
|_..._| -- Robert Abel of Abel Image Research
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: 18 Aug 2000 04:36:00 GMT
