Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 02:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:40 GMT Said chrisv in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:00:22 GMT; drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US will never have personal freedom whilst their people are still continuosly brainwashed by Christian ideology. A. We're not. Most people I know don't go to church. Most people wouldn't vote for a politician that doesn't go to church. That's what counts. B. Why do you think an ignorant troll like yourself has the wisdom to pass this kind of judgement? Please provide the name of an atheist elected to federal office. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:41 GMT Said Mart van de Wege in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drsquare wrote: snip Canada, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Belgium, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Mexico, Poland... Ireland - abortion is illegal France - Paris commune massacre, Dreyfus affair, just as bad as US Germany - a perfect example of human rights preservation for all of history Spain- dictatorship until mid-70's Italy- not just the government abuses human rights So that leaves the Netherlands then? :) (and for fscks sake: it is 'the Netherlands' not 'Holland'. To someone from the southern and northern provinces, that's like calling a Southerner a Yankee). Well, believe it or not, Southerners in the US understand it when a foreigner calls them a Yankee. They'd never put up with it if they weren't in an international venue, of course, so Usenet is a no-man's-land, but, yes, people from Georgia expect Limeys (what they'd call 'furriners') to refer to them as Yanks or whatever. Still, I don't know near as much about Holland as I do about Georgia. So Holland is an area within the Netherlands? I guess an eastern or western province? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:42 GMT Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:31:44 [...] Ireland - abortion is illegal So they don't kill their own young. Sounds much more enlightened than the U.S. or Europe. Wow. That's cute. Chad is a pro-lifer. That would be a major score, if I could spank him in an abortion debate. You up for it, Chad? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:43 GMT Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:26:41 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:11:45 GMT
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #34Sat, 5 May 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: IE (Bob Hauck) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: MS should sue the pants off linux-mandrake (was: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!) (Ayende Rahien) Re: If Windows is supposed to be so thoroughly tested... (Roy Culley) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 13:43:41 -0400 Daniel Johnson wrote: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Being a better DOS than MS-DOS is damning it with faint praise. MS-DOS was *terrible*; DR-DOS was only slightly less terrible. Note: no response. I will ask again: Since Windows ran on top of DOS. And DR-DOS was a better DOS than MS-DOS, how can you support your point? (See above point) I have already supported it; I do so by poitned to important features that Windows has and DR-DOS has not. Ther you go AGAIN. WAS not IS. What did Windows/DOS have that Windows/DR-DOS did not? MS-DOS and DR-DOS were *both* lousy things to saddle Windows with. I'm not endorsing MS-DOS over DR-DOS; I'm endorsing Windows with as little of either as can be managed. Windows COULD NOT run without some DOS underneath. DR-DOS was superior. And Microsoft used it monoply power to push DR-DOS out of the market. [snip] They may have done, for all the good it did them. But it isn't what landed MS in trouble, as far as I can see. Thats becasue you refuse to see. Guess that's one way to look at it. -- Rick -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: IE Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:43:56 GMT On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:53:57 +0100, Michael Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch. I though all was fine and dandy on the telecoms front if you lived in the US. Seems we have a better deal sometimes after all... If I lived a few miles further north, I could get a cable modem and have a choice of phone company. But in general, I've found that the monopoly telcos in the US are about as responsive as BT is reputed to be. Six on my line. It actually took fifteen or twenty after accounting for DNS delays and such. Still, that's perfectly acceptable. Hmm. The delays before the page starts to download fluctuate fairly widely depending on the network load and your local DNS database. I run a local DNS on my LAN, so there will be a bit more delay for the initial lookup (but less for subsequent ones). Also, my ISP has their DNS a couple of network hops away from the POP I'm on. They are pretty good in other respects...can't have everything I guess. The actual page load was quite fast. The only problem is that it is another kind of user selectivity. Coding the alternatives and detection routines takes time because there is no actual request you can make for available fonts on a client's machine. This is where the dichotomy between what HTML was meant to be and what it is being used for comes in. The original idea was that the user was in control of presentation. I know you're talking about CSS, but CSS was an add-on to the original idea. Certainly fonts are one of those things where if you use them you need to know what the user has. But the HTTP protocol doesn't provide a way to get that information because in the original design the page was supposed to take what it was given, so to speak. By trying to make the web about presentation, you are fighting against fundmental assumptions of the system design. Even with CSS. And the thing is, I don't believe that the users really care that much. Some do, certainly, but two factors provide evidence that most do not: 1. The big growth of the web happened prior to CSS and sophisticated layout becoming widespread. 2. Things like Flash and PDF are not particularly popular with users. Sure, users will notice if your site is unusually cool in some respect. But I don't think that influences their decision whether to come back very much. The new embedded font standards are a possibility, but they depend on a new enough browser. Which is another reason to write pages that do not need it. I'm not talking about cutting edge flashy shit here, NS4 does
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #33 Sat, 31 Mar 01 04:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Earn some money with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (pete@-)
Re: Windows "speed" (GreyCloud)
Re: Stress Co-operation, not Hateful Competition ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Now I know (Terry Porter)
Re: NOTICE: Internet Cleaning ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software gloat! (GreyCloud)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (GreyCloud)
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Earn some money with Linux
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:34:24 -0500
Benjamin Lvovsky wrote:
OK. That's cool. But do Linux people actually BUY software? Everyone got
used to get it for free. Except $5 CDs because it's cheaper to buy then to
download and burn;) "FREE" software kills the market. It kills itself.
Just because you write something on Linux doesn't mean that you can't
keep YOUR code proprietarybecause, in fact, you CAN.
However, free software ups the ante by making it more difficult for
people to charge for crappy code...because someone will come along
and write something better, for free, just for the noteriety
(which usually translates into better salary in the job market).
"Bob Hauck" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:02:46 GMT, Benjamin Lvovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you mean I can I sell compiled with say G++ executables without
providing the source code? I thought GPL and other licences do not
allow that.
You can't modify g++ and sell that without providing source code. But
you can certainly compile your own code with g++ and keep it
proprietary. The GNU toolset is widely used in embedded systems, to
give one example of using g++ for proprietary projects.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
From: pete@- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: 31 Mar 2001 00:00:50 -0800
In article 9a3om1$6li$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "2 says...
And this is BEFORE the .NET platform goes to manufacturing.
wow! man, this .net and c-hash is so amazing. It has allready beat Sun
and Oracle and IBM and everyother company and technology out there
and it is not out yet!
what an amazing thing it must be.
you must be so brain dead, and the most idiot who ever posted anything
anywhere.
how much is billy paying you to come say all of this?
--
From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows "speed"
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:56:31 -0800
Barry Manilow wrote:
GreyCloud wrote:
Barry Manilow wrote:
"T. Mx Devlin" wrote:
NT is
certainly faster, and better able to handle I/O and multi-tasking.
I believe it has been shown over and over that NT is about 20% slower
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #32 Thu, 15 Feb 01 16:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Re: KDE Whiners (Mig)
Re: Oh dear...another 1 (nearly) bites the dust... ("whoever")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Mig)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Interesting article (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Craig Kelley)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Re: KDE Whiners (Matthias Warkus)
Re: KDE Whiners (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Re: Interesting article
Re: I will give MS credit for one thing
Re: and none of it is done with windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: and none of it is done with windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Someone, help me (please) (Exit: PhatLinux versus Windows 98) ("Johan De Clerck")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (The Ghost In The Machine)
From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: 15 Feb 2001 13:11:13 -0700
Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 14 Feb 2001 21:14:19 -0700, Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Protection schemes of any sort only lasted a few weeks in the eighties.
Now, nearly everybody has a computer.
It'll be only days before its' broken.
Think public-key encryption. Signed stuff cannot be broken with
technology when half the key resides outside of your control. When
was the last time a 1024bit RSA key was legitimately cracked?
Dont't bother trying to decrypt, just nop out the relevent routines,
thereby sidestepping the protection.
The crackers will have a patched version of Whistler on the streets before
MS's shrinkwrap hits the shelves.
What are these "shelves" that you're refering to? It will be a
subscription based service, where a bulk of the logic resides on a
non-hackable blackbox on the other end of your network connection.
That's Microsoft's dream. One box, one credit card, one nation with
intellectual chains.
Now, social engineering is another ball of wax.
Social engineering? From Microsoft?
Sure; a low-level certificate signer inadvertently gives out
Microsoft's private key that they use to sign drivers. That would be
all sorts of fun. :) Almost as much fun as grabbing the DNS entries
associated with their key .NET servers, or any one of many other
scenarios.
Of course, I'd never condone such actions -- I'd reccomend running
BSD or Linux instead. I always laugh when I talk to Windows software
pirates; the hypocrasy is amazing. (where are you Drestin Black?)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:12:41 -
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:49:12 +0100, Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim Hanson wrote:
I wonder if anyone is actually listening to that drivel. They ought to
get together with the KDE team!
OK... now i've got it . youre the Gnome equivalent of flatfish.
What makes you think he's necessarily in GNOME's corner?
One can detest KDE without being a GNOME booster or even
a GNOME user really. By pushing a false dichotomy, you
are more of a flatfish.
Now we just miss someone like you two from 1) KDE 2) XFCE 3) WindowMaker
4) Enlightenment 5) Blackbox 6) The rest
You can call your team 7 idiots and a fish
[deletia]
--
...then there's that NSA version of Linux...
This would explain the Mars polar lander problem.
Kyle Jacobs, COLA
|||
/ | \
--
From: Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:08:26 +0100
Tim Hanson wrote:
Its certainly not what we in Europe are used to.
If "we in Europe" can't get used to it, "we in Europe" need to get out
of the global software market. It's a dog's life.
How do you know its a dogs life?
Why the heck should there
be a link to Ximian when one searches for "TheKompany" or "TrollTech" or
"KDE" ??
Why not? For Ximian it's good business.
Yes... but probably illegal here
[cut
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #31Wed, 3 Jan 01 12:13:02 EST Contents: Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (chrisv) Re: Uptimes (T. Max Devlin) Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Craig Kelley) Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Craig Kelley) Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (hackerbabe) Re: Conclusion (T. Max Devlin) Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Uptimes (T. Max Devlin) Re: Uptimes (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why Hatred? (Craig Kelley) Linux Modems ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (*) From: chrisv [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal? Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:10:22 GMT T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, having no case, you do not post *SPECIFICS*! That's because its a conversation, moron, not an official court case. You lost the argument, buddy. Badly. -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Uptimes Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:14:37 GMT Said JSPL in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:38:51 -0500; "Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:92vart$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... "JSPL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... "Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:92t60g$cks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... "JSPL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The only thing I've seen are either an inability to display uptime or wildly impossible to believe number such as 13 or so pollings on a server showing time since last reboot to be "zero". (sauder.com). Or the assinine assumption that Netcraft is the only entity on earth that seems to be aware of all these popular sites going down every few days. www.walmart.com I wasn't aware IIs 5.0 had been ported to Linux. Sounds fishy to me :-) It wasn't. The server identify itself as IIS5, btw. But trying to go to http://www.walmart.com/thispagedoesnotexist.gsp The response isn't unlike *anything* that I've seen coming from IIS Not to mention that the file path is totally un-windows one. They appear to be using a shopping program called cart.gsp and most web pages use the extension .gsp. Anyone have any info on what that is? GSP stand for GNU Server Pages A Java servlet which storngly resemeble ASP http://www.bitmechanic.com/projects/gsp/ That pretty much answers my question! And proves that netcraft is wrong (again). Exqueeze me? In point of fact, it proves that you don't know what you're talking about, and that the OS is, as stated by Netcraft, derived from the network characteristics, not the server strings in the HTTP response. So walmart configured their web server to identify itself as IIS5, for some reason*, even though it is obviously a Linux box running a non-IIS server. (Does apache itself support gsp, or do you need something else? I've never heard of it, before, but I positively LOVE the idea, even though I hate gsp; I don't think ASP sucks only because its monopoly crapware, I think it sucks to begin with. ;-}) *The only reasons I can think of for doing this would be: a) Someone at Walmart figures it can't hurt to pretend that you're using monopoly crapware b) Walmart has a lock-in contract with Microsoft which requires that they "use" IIS5, but they don't want to because its crapware. c) Just to blow the minds of people like Ayende and JSPL and Erik. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive! http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html -- From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? Date: 03 Jan 2001 09:17:15 -0700 "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Craig Kelley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If there were any truth to it, then they wouldn't have to leverage their desktop presence to coerce NT sales, which was the root of the Netscape trial. If they are so much "smarter, more visionary, more creative, more tenacious, more action-focused, more ambitious and more successful" then why did (and do) they resort to sneaky back-end deals involving pre-loading and such? Covering all their bases? Basically, why can't I get a Sony Vaio without Windows on it? Why do I have
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("PLZI")
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (mlw)
Re: Side by side (sfcybear)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (Bas van der Meer)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (David Dorward)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (Bas van der Meer)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Steve Mading)
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake (JoeX1029)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Chris J/#6)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) (Steve Mading)
Re: OS stability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: sfcybear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:19:53 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:02:08 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
Does the word EMPHASIS mean anything to you?
If half the article has "emphasis", then it's no longer "emphasis",
Why is it that it is not imphassis??? can't you emphasise an intire
sentance with out shouting? I can do serveral in a row without
shouting.. It had become obvious that the person was not paying
attention to what was being writen so heavy emphasis was required.
You are not adding to the topic being discussed your just here pissin'.
I have contributed in many ways my self, but I don't come into a thead
and do nothing but insult people without even trying to adress the
topic. If you are truley a contributer you would know not to do that.
Now, are you going to contibute to the debate about servers being able
to be secure even after runing for a long time or are you going to piss
and insult people some more?
--
Donovan
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
From: "PLZI" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:32:23 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
PLZI wrote:
This of course can be done with a cute little kludge (ie. using the shell
Everything in from Redmond is a Kludge
Right.
They should rename the company Microkludge.
Right.
- ADSI, my best friend. Manage any user information in LDAP (or use it
for
you are an idiot.
Right. And that is all you had to say. Well. I guess everybody now knows your
look on life. Is it uncomfortable to walk around with your fingers so deep in
your ears?
Ah, I know. This is futile. So very futile. Try to be a good advocate, and
all you get are these wannabe-31337-nixadmins who burst into bitter tears and
start calling you names every time you try to educate them.
*plonk*
- PLZI
--
From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:38:53 -0500
James Hutchins wrote:
Remember how Motif became the darling and crowded out all of its
competitors within very few years? Is that what will happen with GTK+ and
Qt?
I was about to switch from Motif to Qt, but have gotten advice from
several sources suggesting Qt failed to get adopted as the darling of the
unix community and GTK+ has succeeded, so Qt will not be around, or will
be a hanger-on.
Seems like when a tool doesn't "win", all kinds of things happen, like
ancilliary tools don't get developed for it, it isn't kept up with new
developments, good books about it (and about using various tools in
conjunction with it, like databases, graphics libraries, etc.) don't
appear, etc.
Thoughts?
Jim
I have looked at both gtk and qt, I am amazed that gtk is not ridiculed
more.
The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
anti-c++. I do not understand why. The whole gnome infrastructure seems
to go through hoops to accomplish what C++ gives you for free, and
despite arguments to the contrary, C++ can do all the neat and efficient
things that C can do, the same way. So, using C++, as a C with classes,
would have made the whole gnome project much more robust and readable.
Wh
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #29 Tue, 19 Sep 00 20:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Richard)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (Steve Mading)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (Steve Mading)
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform (IE for Linux) (Steve Mading)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (WickedDyno)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (WickedDyno)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (WickedDyno)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Steve Mading)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:12:17 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
jabali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When IBM tried
to produce a non-clonable prodcut - PS2 (sic) - they lost out and
virtually had to get out of the PC market.
The PS/2 was not unclonable, and IBM did not get out of the PC market.
IBM offered to license the MCA, but their lawyers convinced them to
require terms that noone in his right mind would accept unless he was
the new boy on the block. Specifically, in order to get a license for
the MCA you had to agree to pay IBM a hefty fee for prior use of the
ISA.
BTW, there was at least one clone of the ABIOS for the PS/2. But, as I
said, if you had been selling clones of the old PC, PC/XT or PC/AT then
the license terms for the MCA were prohibitive.
--
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
"A BIND is a terrible thing to waste"
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 19 Sep 2000 18:24:15 -0500
Great - a totally unsubstantiated rumor spread by Cringley - and people
actually replied?
ANYONE who has been to the Redmond campus KNOWS that 99% of this is entirely
untrue. The only unix running there is NOT running the infrastructure. I
challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Hows that "Hotmail runs 99% on BSD"
stand up today? MSN on apache/solaris? hahahaha
This is pathetic - how low does cringley have to go to prove he's a MS
hater.
"petilon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8pu3pp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/08/28/000828opcringe_cto.xml
Excerpts:
Unix in Redmond
I was going to avoid writing about Microsoft this week, but how could I
resist sharing these tidbits from ex-Microsofties? These former Microsoft
employees have written in to set the record straight about what's really
going on behind the scenes at a few of the software giant's subsidiaries.
When Microsoft acquired Linkexchange (now bCentral), company officials
tried to get rid of Oracle databases in favor of the company's own SQL
Server.
"Some of the best folks from Redmond came down to make the change, but
after two or three months they gave up and switched back to Oracle on
Solaris, where it remains today," this reader wrote.
Another former bCentral employee says Microsoft mentions Linux in its
help-wanted ads for bCentral just to lure unsuspecting enthusiasts to
come work there. The OSes in place were primarily FreeBSD, BSD/OS, and
Solaris. That is, until Microsoft tried to migrate more of the systems
to Windows NT and 2000.
According to this source, Microsoft had to quadruple the number of
servers when it moved to its own operating systems.
For the most part, according to our ex-Microsoftie, the company's money-
making Web properties are all based around Unix, with Hotmail 99 being
99 percent FreeBSD, MSN using some Apache on Solaris, bCentral ad servers
on 100 percent FreeBSD, and WebTV pretty much entirely Solaris.
"Internally when Windows 2000 was announced, people were told not to
even think about using it for production because it was too unstable,"
says this ex-Microsoftie.
So much for mature software written by professionals. It seems that,
internally, Microsoft prefers the stuff "written by college kids in their
basements."
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From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:26:48 GMT
Brian Langenberger wrote:
If one ignores all the current file naming conventions, there are
two problems at need to be solved:
1) The system needs to know what programs can act upon a given file.
But this is wrong. You aren't doing typing, you're doing type CHE
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #28Thu, 3 Aug 00 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix (Tim Palmer)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Tim Palmer)
Re: Linux can save you money on electricity! (Tim Palmer)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Tim Palmer)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Tim Palmer)
Re: How Can I contribute? (Tim Palmer)
maximum (?) linux (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ("sandrews")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fred Moody and BugTraq: Is Someone Lying About Linux? (Jim Broughton)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Gary Hallock)
Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR (MK)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Seán Ó Donnchadha)
Re: Linux or Windows 2000 (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: maximum (?) linux (OSguy)
Re: Free WebSphere Homepage Builder 4.0 for Linux (OSguy)
From: Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix
Date: 3 Aug 2000 17:59:54 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2 Aug 2000 16:16:46 -0500, Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Colin R. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim Palmer wrote:
[deletia]
Explain to the end-user how to compile/install a framebuffer
SVGA kernel.
Why?
Because they half to to make their graffics work.
I have graphics, and I haven't compiled a framebuffer SVGA kernel.
You must have one of the holy graffix cards that Lie-nux actulley SUPPORT'S.
The fastest gaming card today is officially and fully supported
by the chipset vendor: Geforce II.
Contemporary chipsets from the other major vendors are also supported
including that problem child: ATI.
Only a plobem on Linux. Windows has no prolbem at all with it.
3dfx has supported Linux in some form or another for over 2 years.
Matrox users are enthusiastic enough to fend for themselves quite
nicely. John Carmack even lent a hand to their efforts.
So you say. Probly most Matrix users hue triyed Lixnu went back to Win.
[deletia]
Window's 98.
It's a somewhat improved Windows 95, but it's hardly a revolution.
Colin Day
It wa a hell of an emprovement over DOS.
An abacus is an improvement over DOS.
An abacus is an immprovement over Lie-nxu.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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/ | \
--
From: Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 3 Aug 2000 18:00:05 -0500
Mark Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry. I evidently had you confused with someone who, before arguing with another
person, would bother to find out if, in fact, there was an actual disagreement. I
apologize.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/18/00
at 05:18 PM, Mark Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
BZZZT! Wrong. If you read my messages, you will see that I never said what
you ascribe to me. In fact, I have stated that I agree with government
oversight of business and believe that there are things which government does
best. Your last statement, with the exception of calling me a "jerk," is
something I might have said (although I would have worked on the spelling a
bit).
If you want to argue, find out if you really disagree before you go attacking
people. You come off looking like a jerk, yourself.
BZZZT what hell makes you think everyone reads everything you say?
BT you made blanket, black/white statement. If I have it wrong, its not
my mis-interpretation, but your lack of clearly stating what you really mean.
-- But lets see what you really know. Why don't you give your of the things
government has blotched and that business didn't.
BZT I have repetitive motion injuries to both hands that lead errors.
Frankly, I didn't the post significant enough to make extra work of it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even a cursory reading of history should convince you otherwise.
No. A cursory reading results in knee-jerk answers, as you have shown. A
thoughtful, reflective reading leads one to analysis and different answers.
-- Is government perfect? No. People aren't either and certainly not people
driven only by the profit motive -- which you are suggesting would do a better
job on everything if left alone.
Try the cursory reading, at the least, and come back prepared to discuss the
issue.
You're be
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Jun 00 22:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: What UNIX is good for. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The MEDIA this year! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Processing data is bad! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux is awesome! (Gary Hallock)
Re: The Linux Challenge ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Charlie Ebert)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:21:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:37:51 -0400, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pete Goodwin wrote:
No of course not. I only worked on it for about 3 years. Obviously I never
learnt UNIX.
NOT!
Explain the Unix task scheduler.
Which one?
The task scheduler in something like Version 7 is completely different
from the one in Solaris, which is completely different from the one in
QNX.
The "classic" Unix scheduler in something like Version 7 is extremely
primitive and does nothing more than round robin scheduling, where a
running process is allowed to run for a maximum time interval before
it is interrupted, with some simplistic prioritization kludged in, and a
preference toward scheduling processes which have just woken up from
sleep to speed up interactive apps.
And yet, even the Version 7 task scheduler (circa 1978) is more
reliable and less likely to crash than LoseDows. Why is that?
Hint fucking hint: Keep it simple, stupid.
Something like Solaris is more
complicated since it has MP support, which often amounts to little more
than adding processor affinity, so processes continue to run on the same
processor so they follow the cache. Something like QNX is a completely
different beast since it has real-time support.
A more interesting exercise would be for YOU to explain the VMS
scheduler, which is much more complex (it has THREE types of jobs:
real-time, batch, and interactive), and actually takes into account which
Unix solves the same task much more elegantly, with less overhead.
Keep It Simple, Stupid.
resources are available and schedules processes accordingly. It is much
more involved than the Unix scheduler. The Windows NT scheduler is
extremely similar to it also.
The LoseNT scheduler is a CPU hog in itself.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
--
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:21:55 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woofbert wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Explain the Unix task scheduler.
Hey, where does a Unix newbie find this kind of stuff out? (And don't
send me to no friggin Man pages... ) Got any good books to recommend?
Check
"The Design of the Unix Operating System" by Bach.
--
Woofbert woofbert at infernosoft dot com
Datadroid
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation.
http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert/index.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
--
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:29:16 -0400
R
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216
Linux-Advocacy Digest #216, Volume #26 Sat, 22 Apr 00 10:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Sell Me On Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Sell Me On Linux (mlw) on installing software on linux. a worst broken system. (test@myhome) Re: Binary Thinking (mlw) Re: Adobe FrameMaker available on Linux (David Rolfe) Re: KDE is better than Gnome ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Sell Me On Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? (Rob S. Wolfram) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sell Me On Linux Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:07:46 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SeaDragon) writes: How can you possibly claim that Linux is superior when the solution for both OS'es (primarily) is to simply open a session on a remote machine? Maybe he bases his opinion on real life facts --- like those published in c't 8/2000? Just in case you haven't read it, it turns out that the average *length* of a downtime on an NT web server is longer than on a Unix web server, and that this discrepancy is even stronger outside office hours. Now, c't suggests that this might be related to the differences in remote administration availability --- meaning that the NT admin gets paged, jumps into a cab and drives to the server, while the Unix admin gets paged, jumps to the nearest computer, and logs into the server. I certainly remember a friend of mine getting just such a page during a games night at my house. Fortunately, he is administering UNIX machines, so I showed him to the office, and 10 minutes later, he was back in the fight for ore, wheat and wood. Telnet is ubiqitious; If you find a computer with an internet connection, chances are it has telnet already installed, and if not, it takes about one minute to download it. NT remote admin tools aren't exactly widespread, and don't exactly run on very many platforms. Bernie -- Vote for the man who promises least; He will be the least disappointing Bernard Baruch American presidential adviser, 1870-1965 -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:07:48 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SeaDragon) writes: Oh boy. So it's illegal to give a DISCOUNT on software? What is going to happen to Linux? If it is illegal for Microsoft to give a discount of a few dollars, what are they going to do when they are giving away Linux for FREE??? Is Linus going to get the chair? Well, Linus will just have to stop giving his software to the nice customers for less than he charges the naughty ones. Oh, wait --- he doesn't actually do that. And how is discounting software bad for the consumer? Simple --- it's not the discounting that's bad, it's the blackmail that can (and does) go along with it. Like "Hello, Vobis? Yeah, we heard you were thinking about offering OS/2 as an option on your machines. Is that correct? Oh, well, of course that is your choice. But maybe you'd like to reconsider? No? Well, I am looking forward to renegotiating your license deal next month, then Ah, I *knew* you'd reconsider." Bernie -- Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark Twain American writer, 1835-1910 -- From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sell Me On Linux Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:11:38 -0400 SeaDragon wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:50:21 -0400, mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this interesting. One chooses x86/AMD/etc for cost. Once chooses Alpha, Sun, etc. for performance. If you go to the seti@home page, and look at statistics, the fastest damn machines are alphas. If I wanted to deploy a solution using Alpha then I would not choose Microsoft. Period. You are extremely out of touch. The fastest shipping CPU in integer performance currently (by far) is the Pentium III. The I GHz model is a whopping 46.8 SPECint95. The second fastest is HP 8600, which is at 42.6. Alpha is way behind at 40.1 for the 667 MHz 21264 (which is not even shipping yet!). SPARC isn't even on the roadmap. It is at 18.3 for the UltraSPARC II, well less than half of Intel, HP, or Compaq. No one in the world cares about integer arithmetic, it is a direct function of the cpu clock. What matters is I/O and floating point. The x86 hardware has some of the worst I/O in the industry. Right now they have inched up to a 133 mhz front side bus. That is very slow when compared to other systems. So, while the CPU may be clocked at 800 mhz, it can only read data from ram at 133mhz. This means that unless all your processing can take place in cache, your effective CPU clock is 133 mhz. This problem affects all sorts of processing tasks for
