Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 14:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? ("Mike")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (BSD Bob the old greybeard
BSD freak)
Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) ("JS PL")
Re: OT: ASUS releases games cheat drivers (Dave Martel)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux Users...Why? (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Chad Everett)
Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS ("Lloyd")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("David Brown")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado)
Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (.)
Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (.)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("David Brown")
From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:25:11 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have gracefully moved from using StarOffice 5.2, and purchase
> Wordperfect Suite 2000 for Linux. I constantly hear the mantra that
> "Until MS Office comes to Linux, it (linux) will never grace the
> harddrives of large corporate desktops". If that is the case, what is
> Wordperfect Suite 2000 missing?
>
> Wordprocessor: Wordperfect 9
> Database: Paradox 9
> Spreadsheet:Quattro Pro 9
> Presentations: Presentations 9
> Calender/Scheduler/Address Book/Memo's: Corel Central 9
> Browser/Email: Netscape 4.76, I have only had it crash once on me, in
> the 2 months I have owned this copy of SuSE Linux 7.1.
>
> So, whats missing? Where is the huge gap between Wordperfect Suite and
> MS Office Pro?
Wrong question, Matthew. Similar to asking what Win2k can do that Linux
can't, it misses the point that Office is the dominant product today. The
primary question you have to answer is why people use MS Office. Ignore the
humorous answers ("Because they like looking at blue screens!") and the
stupid ones ("Because they're stupid sheep who just do whatever Bill tells
them to") and all the conspiracy theories, and you'll be left with a list of
real reasons why people aren't flocking to the competition.
You might not like the answer, but at least you'll know.
-- Mike --
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From: BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 11 May 2001 16:17:19 GMT
In comp.unix.advocacy Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10 May 2001, Matt McLeod wrote:
>> I got in trouble for trying to use LaTeX here when I started a
>> few years ago. But with the changes coming up, it looks like
>> LaTeX and LyX will become our standard doc tools.
> I have a preference for *roff, but I don't do any mathematical
> stuff.
Actually, there is a need to become workingly proficient in both
the *roff and the TeX systems in any good UNIX environment. I don't
see either of those going away, anytime soon. The *roffs are quick
and dirty, and are the default ascii output engines, plus they do
a very respectible typesetting job, a few things given in change.
Sadly, few folks are taught to ``think like a troffer'', anymore.
TeX and company are the masters of the big typesetting department.
But, it requires a bit of a learning curve to learn the nuances.
As much as the point and click crowd would like to have a ``word''
sort of thingie on UNIX, I don't see that as viable in the short
term, and not of high quality in the long term, unless things change
greatly. Whether staroffice will fill that bill remains to be seen.
The ancient arts of the *roffs and the TeXs have a lot of mileage
left in them. They are a different mindset, though.
Bob
--
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destro
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 00:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Chad Myers")
Re: Communism ("billh")
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Chad Everett)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("WGAF")
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Donn Miller)
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:56:55 GMT
"Shun Yan Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9alru9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9al6fp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >X-rated Porn?
>
> Are there any non-X-rated Porn ? :-)
www.furnitureporn.com
Purely G rated, except for the language, maybe.
-c
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:14:25 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> >Roberto, your immature responses are starting to bore. Are you 15 or so?
> >You talk that way. One last time, if you want to discuss with adults,
act
> >like one. If you want to act like aaron I"ll killfile you too.
>
> Well, I am unable to act as a gun nut, so I'm safe from that.
LOL!!! If you think Roger is again nut, you are seriously mistaken.
Again, your assumptions are getting the better of you.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 7 Apr 2001 02:17:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina"
>
>> >Roberto, your immature responses are starting to bore. Are you 15 or so?
>> >You talk that way. One last time, if you want to discuss with adults,
>act
>> >like one. If you want to act like aaron I"ll killfile you too.
>>
>> Well, I am unable to act as a gun nut, so I'm safe from that.
>
>LOL!!! If you think Roger is again nut, you are seriously mistaken.
>Again, your assumptions are getting the better of you.
Hmmm... ok. Let's go piece by piece.
Roger said "If you want to act like AARON I'l killfile you".
Then I said "I am unable to act as a GUN NUT".
Now, think real hard, check what's in uppercase in both pieces,
and try to rub two braincells together to see if there is a spark.
--
Roberto Alsina (wondering if this is the reading level of the
average US citizen)
--
From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:24:36 GMT
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >
> >> >100 times more likely? Where do you get your stats or is this just an
> >> >ignorant, emotional statement?
> >>
> >> Well, I answered that in another post. It's an extremeley conservative
> >> number.
> >
> >You have still failed to answer the question at hand. Where did you get
> >your statistics?
>
> Well, did you read the other post? You know, the one where the answer
> is? Not this one, the other one. Yes that one. Good boy!
No answer, huh?
--
From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:25:24 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> His politics are obvious from his posts.
> He claims to be in the army.
No he does not. Again you assume much too much. It has been sometime since
Roger has been in the Army.
> Do you know many men who hate guns and join the army?
Yes, I know several soldiers that sup
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #32 Fri, 23 Feb 01 08:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Where is suse 7.1? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Opsss there goes another one. ("Flacco")
Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Into the abyss... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Bloody Viking)
Re: Who said NT was stable ! (Bloody Viking)
Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop ("Donal K.
Fellows")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: State of linux distros ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop ("Donal K.
Fellows")
Re: LPI Certification ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Maximum Linux Magazine Is Going Out Of Business Ha Ha Ha (Roy.Culley)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Interesting Google Facts! ("Edward Rosten")
Why don't we see more advocacy for Linux/MPI? (mlw)
Re: Interesting Google Facts! (mlw)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Gareth Brereton)
From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is suse 7.1?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:56:44 -
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Suse 7.1 was to be released on feb 12. Still now the website says, it
> will be available from mid-february? When is it going to be released?
Here in the UK, 7.1 was released on the 19th. I put my order in and
received an EMail to say there was a problem with a batch of CD's and I
could expect delivery within ten days.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
--
From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opsss there goes another one.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 05:57:55 -0500
> Another fact is that the omni-present war cry of the LinZealots is the
> mocking phrase "you will be assimilated" by Linux.
To my knowledge, the cry is simply "We will not be assimilated."
--
From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 23 Feb 2001 11:14:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : You've said this before. What's wrong with Godwin? What did he ever do
:> : to you? Are you under the mistaken apprehension that Godwin's Law is a
:> : binding rule of netiquette?
:>
:>
:> It isn't, but many uninformed people think that it is, which has the
:> perverse effect of making it very difficult to discuss and therefore
:> learn how to prevent the recurrence of crimes similar to Hitler's.
: It's one thing to discuss how to prevent another holocaust ... it's
: another to call someone a Nazi or compare his politics to Hitler's. This
: was not a discussion of Nazism or the Holocaust, it was a discussion of
: what people want to do with other people's information.
There are obvious parallels between Hitler and his crimes, and other
megalomaniacs and theirs. These don't get discussed, because of
Godwin's Law, because of the naive belief that Hitler and his crimes
were somehow unique, and because of the mistaken notion that comparing
them trivializes the suffering of the victims of Hitler's holocaust.
If you say "Never Again!" and mean it, you have to act like it. You
have to be willing to remember, and study, and analyze, and sometimes
set aside preconceived political or cultural notions of superiority or
any "do them before they do us" mentality. You also have to recognize
that the parts of human nature that Hitler, Stalin, and other
practitioners of genocide exploited were not unique to prewar Germany
or Russia, and could be exploited again under the right set of
circumstances. And, finally, you have to recognize that in most cases
genocide and other mass crimes have not been ends in themselves, but
means to an end - world domination - that many others continue to seek
to this day, through a variety of means, some of which are far more
dangerous than others.
Joe
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Into the abyss...
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:05:46 -
In article <96vglk$ee7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> I have yet to see software on an
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #31 Fri, 12 Jan 01 21:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: KDE Hell ("MH")
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE Hell (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Whistler review. ("Daniel Usmar")
Re: KDE Hell (T. Max Devlin)
Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:15:54 -0600
Mig wrote:
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > It took them 6 months to find this backdoor, with thousands of people
> > looking at the source code.
>
> And i dont think that so many developers have been working on Interbase. Or
> where did you get the thousands number?
There are two entries at SourceForge. (forked?)
o For "Interbase V6.0 Open Source SQL Database", 9 developers.
o For "Firebird", 35 developers.
The project may have been renamed, since the "Interbase" stuff tends to be
older, and the "Firebird" download kit has some files named "interbase" (albeit
with a much lower version number than the other, matching that of the whole
Firebird suite). However, I didn't spot any common names on the two developer
lists.
If you get the whole Firebird source, the *compressed* tarballs work out to
over 12 Mb. This is not counting binaries, such as *.exe and *.rpm downloads.
A very unscientific spot check in my own directories shows that development
files compress by somewhat over a 4:1 ratio, so if that is true for theirs as
well, those 35 Firebird developers have about 50 Mb of material to wade
through, an average of 1.4 Mb each.
I have a project that's about 1/3 Mb of code and support files, and even though
I wrote every line of code myself, and that within the past 13 months, and a
huge percentage of is just boilerplate GUI code anyway, that 1/3 Mb is *still*
big enough that I have trouble remembering what all is in it. (It works out to
5K lines of code and 2.5K lines of comments.)
I think five months to fathom a 1.4 Mb of someone else's code, most likely on a
part time basis, is nothing at all to be ashamed of. If it happens to scale
like mine does, that's 21K lines of code *each*.
Oh, yeah. The download pages show zero downloads for the two projects. Not
even binaries. (Die hards can get it through CVS, though.)
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
p.s. - SourceForge's "Top Downloads" list shows Back Orfice 2000 as the most
downloaded software on the site, with over 23K downloads in the past week.
Somehow that doesn't make me feel safer running closed source software.
--
From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.linux.sucks,alt.linux.slakware
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:29:40 GMT
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : Steve Mading wrote:
> > :> ANY basic is "better than Visual Basic".
> >
> > : No. There have been some truly shockingly bad BASIC variants... :^(
> >
> > Okay, that's true. But back to the original, there do exist basics
> > on Linux that are better than Visual Basic.
>
> The best part of VB is that it's married to a GUI toolkit; I don't see
> anything like it (ie, RAD) for Linux using BASIC (yet).
In any significant project (except for certain games or plotting
programs, etc.), the GUI is trivial.
The only RAD project you will ever find is a small project.
Chris
--
Flipping the Bozo bit at 400 MHz
--
From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:39:42 -0500
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:10:40 -0500, MH wrote:
> > >
> > >> Joe Home Developer can't afford to blow thousands on proprietary dev
> > >> tools. BTW, the Linux dev tools
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #30 Sun, 26 Nov 00 02:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: C++ is very alive! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Mike Byrns)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Mike Byrns)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: C++ is very alive!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:16:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw wrote:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> Aren't you people forgetting that HURD is based
>> on C++ with that microkernel technology.
>>
>> They are going the be the C++ club of the future.
>>
>> C++ is far from dead. It's just not being used
>> as few old timers really understand how to use it.
>
>
>!!! Warning!!! The following reads like flame bait, to many it may be.
>It is not intended to be. !!
>
Okay! I'll sign up for this ass chewing!
Here I go!
>I know lots of engineers that use C++.
I don't really. But I really do like to use it.
>
>If I should be so bold, software engineers use tools like C++,
>programmers use stuff like Java or VB. There is a difference, and it is
>important to remember.
>
Well, I'm going to say that I'm somewhere in-between here.
I'm not really a day to day programmer but , I don't do
kernel development either.
>What is an AVL tree, can you write one?
I don't know and NO.
>What is a hash table, how would you write one?
I don't know and NO.
>What is a radix?
I've heard the term before... This sounds
like one of the questions the Navy put forth
to me during the pilot exam.
My answer still stands! I don't know!
>How does bsearch work? Could you write one?
Humm.. This sounds like Btrieve...
But it couldn't be...
>What is a histogram? Can you write one?
My mom had one once. It was shortly after I was born.
Don't know about writing one.
>When is qsort a bad choice?
When it's on a test and 1,300 other advocacy
people are watching you answer it...
>What other types of sorting algorithms are there, and what are the
>pros/cons?
Humm. I didn't know they had a list beyond the
bubble sort.
>What would you a histogram for?
I wouldn't as I'm a man.
>What would you use an AVL tree for? How about a hash table?
This is unfair as I swear you've asked me this before!
My answer still stands! I wouldn't use this!
>How does a linked list work? How about a double linked list?
This is database terms and I understand this one.
A simple linked list allows you to insert and delete
records from a table without a resort being involved.
A double linked list can be one of two things or both...
A secondary table /primary link list pointer to a master
table. A secondary index which sorts the table in a
different fashion from the master.
>How do you simulate subtraction with addition?
humm. flip the bits and AND?
>Which can be written more efficiently, divide by 3 or divide by 4?
Ha. oh machine language. Well! I wonder why this
could apply to C++?
You know. Symbolic code was one reason people like to hire me
but, we just don't get down to this level anymore. There
more interested in how you can re-write table sorts and parsing
routines.
>On a pentium which is more efficient integer arithmetic or or floating
>precision? How about PIII? Why?
integer arithmetic would be more efficient I would think.
I don't know that Intel has any special features which would
change this with a Pentium anything.
>What is the advantage of keeping objects in memory closer to one
>another? When/how is this a problem in a multitasking multiprocessor
>environment?
Well, in windows or Linux we page memory for applications
and you end up moving pages around to re-organize memory for
new entrants. FreeBSD changed all that with their new
method of indexing memory. Don't know that Linux uses this
yet.
>What are the trade-offs between fixed memory block allocation vs
>variable block?
You would have to table the variable, otherwise how would
you know where anything was and what it took?
I'm not sure I understand what fixed is as I don't th
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #29Tue, 3 Oct 00 16:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Perry Pip)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linux - - Troll (Fecking Hill)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ("MH")
Re: Photoshop for Linux (Bartek Kostrzewa)
From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:04:56 +0100
>http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/maddin_memory1.html
>
>It would be a good idea for distributions to either find a way
>to automate RAM finding or ask the user how much he/she has
>at install time.
Mandrake (at least versions 7.0 and 7.1) do ask how much memory
the user has as part of the installer (same dialog as security level,
automount, harddrive optimisation).
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:07:54 GMT
On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:56:31 +1000,
Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8rd66i$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>> > http://support.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/p3p.htm - show me the
>> > PIII666 on that list?
>>
>> You have misunderstood what I typed, dresden. I'm not naming the chip,
>> im describing it. It runs at 666mhz. It does not run at 667 mhz, and in
>> fact it CANNOT run at 667mhz. The fact that it is called a 667mhz chip by
>> intel is obviously a move to disassociate it from spooky evil columbine
>> type hacker idiots.
>
>Actually it runs at 666.66 Mhz.
And what stupid idiot fantasy world do you come from?? Do you really
think any MB on the face of the earth has a clock oscillator that is
that well calibrated? My dual 450 Mhz. PIII system (Gigabyte MB)
indicates that the processors are running at 448.810 MHz, which would
be a 0.26% calibration error. Another nominal 450 Mhz system (Tyan MB)
indicates 451.032 Mhz, which would be a 0.23% calibration error.
>Obviously intel has better
>math than whoever wrote your monitoring program.
The above measurements are based on interrupts from the the system's
quartz clock. Even a poor quality quartz clock is less than 0.01%
off. Obviously you don't know WTF you are talking about. Intel's rated
processor speed has nothing to do with what it actually runs at, which
is up to the MB that generates the clock signal.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux and Free Internet?
Date: 3 Oct 2000 19:21:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I haven't been able to spare $20 a month in several years for regular
> Internet service, so I've had to use several "Free ISP" internet service
> providers. Unfortunately, all of the "free internet" (i.e., ad-bar)
> services only have software for the Windoze 9Whatever OSes. So I've
> been in the irritating position of requiring a multi-boot computer for
> years, and booting into Windoze to get on the Internet. Freewwweb.com
> used to exist to provide non-ad-bar Internet for Linux users, but they
> recently merged with Juno and now Juno is the only company.
> If you want to get Linux on the desktops and laptops of the world, you
> need to get *any* of the Free Internet companies to create a version for
> Linux. Linux has software to replace every single Micro$oft
> application. If you could advertise that Linux essentially "comes with"
> free internet service, Linux usage would increase. A clever licensing
> agreement
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #28 Tue, 15 Aug 00 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Linux people don't speak Russian very well (was Re: Are Linux people ("Colin R.
Day")
Re: Linux...Does Anyone REALLY Care? (Andres Soolo)
Re: Another satisfied Linux user (Milton)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Tim Smith)
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) ("Colin R. Day")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Stephen S. Edwards II)
From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:53:26 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> "Colin R. Day" escribió:
> I don't think so. To be responsible for what we value, we would
> have to be able to discern the correctness of our values. For
> instance, if I knew that doing A is wrong, yet I valued A, I
> would have an internally inconsistent value system.
>
We have to make attempt to discern the correctness of our values.
And what is wrong with acting contrary to one's values?
>
> On a internally inconsistent value system, anything goes, so
> my position regarding ethics will still call it unethical, since
> both doing A and not doing it would be against my values.
>
But why should one worry about being ethical by such a standard?
Also, what if one's values are themselves inconsistent?
>
> > > > > If you define what actions are ethical in a different way, then we are
> > > > > talking about different things, and of course we will disagree.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > But what you mean by ethics would make it trivial.
> > >
> > > Ok. How do YOU define ethics? If your definition is better, I will
> > > be happy to adopt it.
> >
> > Ethics is the study of how we should choose values and pursue them.
> > To restrict ethics to the pursuit of values, but not the choice of values
> > trivializes ethics, because one can justify any action as long as
> > the actor is pursuing what he values.
>
> What do we use to choose values, if not preexisting values? The choice
> of values is then trivially reduced to the pursuit of values.
>
Cognition.
> > >
> > > So, you accept you are ethically equivalent to a cannibal, or not?
> >
> > No, I don't accept it. And what justification would you have for
> > saying that I am so equivalent to a cannibal?
>
> I say you both are equivalent because you both act (in principle)
> according to your ethics. Now, you say you are ethically superior
> to a cannibal. Why?
>
Because I don't accept your alleged "ethics" in the first place.
> > >
> > > Depends on what you are comparing with. Better than Norway? In many
> > > ways. Think about it. If Greece didn't have a warm climate, and
> > > slavery, what are the chances of finding a numerous group of
> > > adult healthy men wandering around olive groves discussing nature
> > > for days and years?
> >
> > Sorry, most other ancient civilizations were also in warm climates, so
> > again you fail to explain how the Greeks did what they did.
>
> Again, necessary != sufficient.
>
Again, no explanation.
> > > Ok. Now, you said "if they must blind themselves". You assume that the
> > > inquisitors knew first that the acts of the inquisition would be wrong,
> > > and then blinded themselves. That would indeed be evil. That is also
> > > probably something that didn't happen.
> > >
> > > If that had happened, I would agree it was unethical, because they
> > > would KNOW they were doing something bad. We kinda agree here, really.
> >
> > How could they have avoided knowing it?
>
> Because of bad education, and the reigning morality of the age.
>
And who ran the educational system? None other than the Catholic
Church itself.
> > >
> > > Torture was not considered bad. Why restrict something not bad?
> >
> > Why didn't they consider it bad?
>
> Because at the time the perceived benefits of torture appeared
> as bigger than its drawbacks.
>
And why did they "perceive" it that way?
>
> > And their failure to consider
> > it bad detracts from their alleged moral leadership.
>
> Compared to who?
>
Galileo, Giordan
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #27Sun, 2 Jul 00 14:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? ("Rich C")
Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? ("Rich C")
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... ("Rich C")
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ("leg log")
Linux Friendly ISP's (spc Free-ISP's) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Re: OS's ...
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not (The
Sokos Family)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Sean LeBlanc)
Lying documentation TAR AND FEATHER 'EM (Re: I'm Ready!) (Laura Goodwin)
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Laura Goodwin)
Ideal Linux distro (Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box?) (Laura Goodwin)
My Linux Adventure (Re: I'm Ready!) (Laura Goodwin)
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Trying Linux yet again ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Petition for Microsoft (Paul E. Larson)
Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Rich C")
From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:22:28 -0400
"Chris Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Yes, but it requires a separate operation to delete the "replaced" text;
it
> > can't be done in one operation. I admit that the "habit" I'm trying to
break
> > is in fact a Wimp-dows one, but it is still more awkward to me. Like I
said,
> > I'd rather learn the more convenient if less universal alternatives.
>
> Actually, I know how you feel, but the other way around. I went to my
> friend's place to try and setup his windows box (what I learned on, so I
> know it pretty well), and found that even only after a month of using
> linux, I was getting flustered that CTRL + ALT + F(1-5) weren't dos
> prompts, and that CTRL + ALT + F7 wasn't the gui. :P
>
> That was a hard one to break.
I guess it was a big complaint for a little problem; imagine my "culture
shock" when I have to revert to RT-11! (At least it has comand recall.)
-- Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
--
From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:26:31 -0400
"Chris Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > IMO, this strategy is flawed, as I discovered while playing with it.
While
> > it does work across all the apps I've tried it with, I had a problem
when I
> > wanted to _replace_ a text selection with my "snarfed" text. I had to go
to
> > the target, delete it, then go back to my source and select the text,
then
> > go back to the target and middle-click. While it may be universal, I'd
> > rather learn all the more convenient variants, even though there's more
to
> > remember.
>
> Perhaps select-with-right could be used to allow for the quick
> overwriting of text? You select the text you want to copy with LMB, then
> select the text you want to overwrite with RMB, and then paste with the
> middle button. Would that not work well?
>
I'd be happy with ANY scheme that would allow you to select text without it
going into the buffer--even a key helper for one of the select operations.
--
Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
--
From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:38:18 -0400
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >What happens when LoseDOS suddenly has yet anoter epileptic seizure
> >and BSOD's, then, after it comes up, it lost the driver for your
> >printer, and you can't find the install disk?
>
> And Linux doesn't lose file system changes after a crash does it?
Not if you can get to a console (which is almost always possible) and type
"sync." But this is only necessary if "update" or its helper "bdflush" dies.
>
> >I'll tell you what... you're COMPLETELY up a creek.
>
> And if Linux blows away the config file, I guess yo
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #26Tue, 9 May 00 20:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft Office Linux Edition! (david parsons)
Re: Microsoft Office Linux Edition! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Let's POLL!
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Karel Jansens)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Karel Jansens)
Re: Microsoft invents XML! (Marty)
Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) (Sean Akers)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Alan Boyd)
Re: Linux will remain immune ("C")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Linux will remain immune (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux will remain immune ("Rich C")
Re: Microsoft invents XML! ("David T. Johnson")
Re: Linux will remain immune (Nic)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (WickedDyno)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (WickedDyno)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office Linux Edition!
Date: 9 May 2000 14:19:49 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If MS created anything on the Linux platform, it would almost be
>garaunteed to be of the same buggy nature as most of thier current
>Windows software.
*snort*
You're too young to have seen Microsoft being competitive.
They're a hell of a lot bigger, smarter, and scarier than
anyone in the Unix world, and when they have to compete
they can crank out some pretty fine code.
david parsons \bi/ but you're safe -- MS won't compete in the stone ax
\/ and bearskin marketplace.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office Linux Edition!
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:43:31 GMT
On 9 May 2000 14:19:49 -0700, david parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>If MS created anything on the Linux platform, it would almost be
>>garaunteed to be of the same buggy nature as most of thier current
>>Windows software.
>
>*snort*
>
>You're too young to have seen Microsoft being competitive.
>They're a hell of a lot bigger, smarter, and scarier than
>anyone in the Unix world, and when they have to compete
>they can crank out some pretty fine code.
Yeah...
How long did it take them to surpass NS after undermining
Netscape's availablity to pay for development?
How long did it take them to achieve parity with a competitor
they couldn't bully out of existence? (intuit)
How long have they been trying to out-Unix Unix?
[deletia]
Color me skeptical.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of'|||
a document? --Les Mikesell/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Let's POLL!
Date: 09 May 2000 22:42:40 GMT
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just because some 12 year old kid launches a VB script virus,
> and YOUR company ingests this virus, should the employee's
> who have double clicked our the attachment using YOUR companies
> OUTLOOK EXPRESS be disciplined?
>
Basically the best way to train the unwashed masses is to threaten them, so
I would tell them that if they open any document that contains a virus and
causes damage to the IT systems they are out of the door for groose
incompetency. Usually this does the thrick ... All the poeple I trained have
become verry carefull and allways check with the sender if they know them
before opening attachments and messages from unknown sources get deleted.
The only thing this requires is fireing one or two employees to make shure
they know you are serious about your threat.
Michael
--
Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike,
Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/
B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/
Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #25 Mon, 28 Feb 00 13:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!! (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Busy sites Re: Windows 2000: flat sales (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: My Windows 2000 experience ("Drestin Black")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!! ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft's New Motto ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!! ("Drestin Black")
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales ("Drestin Black")
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Phillip Lord)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!! (void)
Re: IE on UNIX ("Christopher Smith")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: How does the free-OS business model work?
Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:18:23 GMT
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:32:37 -0800, Jeffrey B. Siegal wrote:
>What is silly about it is that open source software has been continuously
>developed, is being developed now, and will continue to be developed in the
>future. The suggest that open source software will always be limited to LaTeX
>and Emacs (which isn't even true today), is absurd.
My point is that if we limited ourselves to OpenSource today, this would
be where it's at.
>Extrapolate GNOME and GNOME Office out a few years
... and it will still be a mile behind the commercial offerings. Hell,
the only decent component is gnumeric. Maybe in a year, it will vaguely
resemble an office suite, and in two years, they'll have most of the
bugs ironed out, and you'll be able to use a "transparent canvas" (wow!)
At least you could have used Koffice
for your argument, which actually resembles an office suite.
> and it looks nothing like
>LaTeX and Emacs (not to knock these).
Not at all (-; I'm actually a big fan of Latex ( though I still don't like
Esc-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift )
> Not to mention the *many* other "user
>friendly" open source projects.
So how are they doing? Where are the financial analysis packages, resum'e
packages, video editors, encycolpedias, educational software packages,
OpenSource games ( 3d please ), etc etc ? The answer is that by and large,
they aren't even started, which puts them a few years behind commercial
offerings.
It's all very well that there are projects, some of which might succeed,
but it doesn't alter the fact that if we were stuck with OpenSource software,
we wouldn't have an Office suite ( while proprietary office suites have been
around for years. Hell, I remember using a word processor on a Mac 15 years
ago. )
> Have you seen XMMS?
Nope. I'll check it out.
--
Donovan
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!!
Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:20:13 GMT
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:27:50 +0100, Paul 'Z' Ewande© wrote:
>
>Frankly, it probably depicts any big business company I can think of, but
>apparently it's okay to bash just Microsoft, after all, they are the evil
>empire.
I don't know about all, but you certainly can do worse than Microsoft.
Personally, my least favourite in the computer industry is AOL. God
help us if they ever obtain the same amount of power MS wields today.
--
Donovan
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: How does the free-OS business model work?
Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:22:50 GMT
On 28 Feb 2000 15:00:06 +, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>>>>> "Joseph" == Joseph T Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Keeping software out of the "public domain" in the sense of
>maintaining it as propietary also requires force, in the shape of law
>enforcements.
Contracts and technical obstacles could do a lot without special copyright
laws. Of course, the technical measures would be enough of a PITA for users
that most would be happier under the existing model.
--
Donovan
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Busy sites Re: Windows 2000: flat sales
Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:40:34
