Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 20:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Rich Teer) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Terry Porter) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Chronos Tachyon) Re: SUSE license (was: Linux Users...Why?) (Dave Martel) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Chad Everett) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) USENIX 2001 Annual Technical Conference (Tiffany Peoples) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:09:12 -0700 Erik Funkenbusch wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Thats right... compare RH 6.2 to the latest MS O/S. What about the latest RH 7.1 then? I thought that was one of the advantages of Linux, that you didn't have to upgrade to the latest to get the latest stuff? Or are you now saying that you HAVE to upgrade to the latest version of the distro in order to see improvements? You don't have to upgrade. And under windows upgrading is a waste of money. Very little improvements in upgrading windows compared to upgrading under RedHat or Others. Win2K would be a different matter... XP I don't know about because I can't install it on my current hardware anyway.. with Linux I can. Most of the improvements under linux is the move to 2.4.x. Others are related to a faster X-server. And the rest is whatever someone has contributed. The contribs are interesting to explore... But the real big thing is that the cost is lower for the average user than windows. Last time I was at Staples I saw Win2K going for around $287 without upgrade. And for OEM install of WinME it was around $150. Then you have to add more money for the windows compilers if you want one. Which is another reason some upgrade to the newest version,... to get the latest compilers. I still have Caldera e-desktop 2.4... for me it works great. When I decide to upgrade Sun OS it won't be for the OS... it will be for the extra software that they provide, and for $75 it's worth it. -- V -- From: Ayende Rahien Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:28:36 +0200 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: No, VMWare is my example of loading another OS. What Mac OSX does. Cgywin or Services for UNIX provides a *copatability layer*, this mean that you don't have another fscking OS beside the one that you already have. Except that with VMWare is an app that lets you run a second OS UNDER the one you are already running. Just like MacOS X does. Read carefully, VMware does what Mac OS X does, *bad idea*. A better idea, provide compatability layer, like cgywin Services for Unix. Got that? They should've done something like Linux does with WINE DOSEMU and NT Why not? It works. Well. Horribly inefficent! Would you accept a car that double its mile/galon ratio if you have two passangers in it? ... and VMWare is different how? It isn't, it's my parallel example to what Mac OSX does with OS9. You said VMWare was a better way to run apps of a differnet OS that the main one you are running. Now you are saying it is the same as MacOS X/Classic, but MacOS X/Classic is inferior. get your story straight. No, I gave VMWare as an example on the PC of what MacOS X was doing. I said it was a *bad* way to do it. Then I gave *other* alternatives. WINE on Linux, Cgywin Services For Unix on Windows. Any of the above is *much* more efficent than using VMWare. I *never* said that VMWare was a better way. And even then, we are talking about general trend in *new* applications being developped. What Apple need to do is to discourage any further development on OS9, and porting everything to OSX. They are trying to do that very thing. Not enough, you will still have plenty of legacy applications that would need OS9. And you'll have them for *years* to come. It's bloody hard to do something like this. And users would *still* want to use old applications. They have a successful track record in difficult switchovers. If this mean
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Screaming wannbie new users. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? ("Mike")
Re: Stupid error message (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re:
Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
Re: XP = eXPerimental (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (Dave Martel)
From: Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:33:47 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Goldhammer quoth:
... snip...
What you have shown is that it's pretty easy to decontextualize and
misreperesent, or outright contrive statements by three of the most
influential thinkers of the 19th century in a flippant way and make
yourself look like an arrogant boob in the process.
"Such genius!"
Kudos.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Screaming wannbie new users.
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:25:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martigan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
on Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:41:49 GMT
1tlz6.9715$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
O.k. I have been hearing from some new users that Linux is too hard to
learn. Why? Does it take a little more brain power? YES! Does it give
us more options and choices? YES!
Hell I was at a SMALL computer show,
Just out of curiosity, are you referring to (small computer) show or
small (computer show)? :-) My experience with computer shows is that
they tend to be rather large affairs, held in such places as Moscone
Center in San Francisco. (I can't think of an equivalent location
in Rome or other parts of Italy ('.it').) However, I've also been
to computer flea markets.
Siemens (sp?) was trying to show
off their wireless networking, on two win NT 4.0 machines. But failed they
kept locking up.
SNAFU, apparently. :-)
Sun was showing their Network "Service" on a Solaris Term, and a Win Nt
term. , the Win NT term kept locking up.
Cisco laughed when I said "Why don't you run Win NT?"
So the Big companies run Linux/Unix, or BSD.
If the companies a using them what should that tell you? That they are
cheap basterds that wanna save money? If so then why did so many servers
get taken down with "i love you. txt.vbs"? And many companies are still
fight the VBS scare.
Which is still out there; they're not hard to write at all, apparently.
Regrettably, the person who captured a copy of the Melissa virus has
since left my employer, and the listing is missing, although I
strongly suspect someone else has posted it on the Internet somewhere.
(Perhaps McAfee has a copy? An interesting notion, albeit a
frightening one if some enterprising young hacker decides to copy
or modify it and send it out into the wild -- again!)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- windows NT/Outlook makes it soo easy sometimes... :-)
EAC code #191 1d:19h:56m actually running Linux.
The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
--
From: "Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting?
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:33:10 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Sean wrote:
Chris
There's also the excellent free C compiler
for Windows by Jacob Navia and others. It's
called lcc - see:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32/
Nice tool - pity about Windows!
That their manual is in Microsoft Word format
is worrisome to me. HTML or even PDF would
have been better, to my way of thinking.
I'm trying to standardize on GNU code, at least
for now.
Chris
HTML is a problem if you want to print the file, so it tends to work
reasonably well for online docs, but not very well otherwise.
Converting Word to PDF is usually not a problem. If you have the full PDF
package, you can use the Word viewer to print to PDF. Otherwise, you can
write to a postscript file, then use
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #32 Fri, 23 Feb 01 17:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting Google Facts! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Interesting Google Facts! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Woofbert)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Interesting article ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Where is suse 7.1? ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ("Goober")
Re: Maximum Linux Magazine Is Going Out Of Business Ha Ha Ha (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Red Hat Fisher Beta (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Red Hat Fisher Beta (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Kulkis the newbie, its official! ("surrender")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Interesting Google Facts!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:08:48 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Donal K. Fellows wrote:
Charlie Ebert wrote:
Do a search on "Windows" - You see 24,900,000 references.
How are you filtering out non-computer uses of the term?
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellowshttp://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I could even declare myself a religion, if that'd help.
-- Mark Loy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm giving them credit for all the Linux saches in lower botswana...
And if you buy that, I have a bridge to sell you.
But interesting point. There are several types of Windows and only
one kind of Linux.
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Interesting Google Facts!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:35:11 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jasper wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:24:02 -0800, "Paolo Ciambotti"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It could also be 40,200,000 archived messages pleading for help
with installing Linux. But even that is a good general indication of uptake for
Linux. How goes that proverb, "Bad publicity is better than no
publicity"?
You should visit the "Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter" site for an
interesting evaluation of similar findings.
http://srom.zgp.org/
Ciao.
Another interesting site:
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2001/January/os.html
I find it extremely fascinating to learn that Total Unix lost
over a million users from January 2000 thru January 2001 yet
we all know this wasn't the case. Sun is doing better
business now then they have in the last 10 years.
Further, how can you take these statistics seriously when
you have a block of over 12,000,000 OS's listed as unidentified
for January, 2001.
Hell, even back in January 2000 they had over 8 million unidentified...
If you add up the total computers you see 350 million world wide tally'd
for January 2001.
Then if you go back and tally up the TOTAL count they have for January 2000
you find these people added up 550 million computers.
My question to you is how do you go from 550 million a year ago to
less today of 350 million?
And anybody can see this.
Then I did ownership research on www.thecounter.com and came to the
conclusion that www.thecounter.com has a long tree of ownership leading
right back thru duke.com which is a know fanatical windows supporter.
This counter is totally worthless. Futher it fraudlent.
And it's so silly about the way it lies the *AVERAGE* person with
a calculator can indeed blow holes in it in just 5 minutes.
But it takes *YOU* the reader to use your brain and figure this out.
Add up the same numbers I did. Go backwards in the privacy policy statements
until you go backwards the 5-6 companies I did and find it is indeed owned
by duke.com and come to your own fucking conclusion.
The conclusion you should come to is your spreading monopoly wintroll crap.
It is my feeling thru internet research that Linux is approaching the 50% mark
this year. That means for every 2 Windows box you find @ WW, there will be one
Linux box.
The evidence is almost inescapable.
You can't generate 40 million web pages on Linux without having the need for
the traffic. And that exceeds windows.
So a 2 for 1 right now is a very conservative figure for Linux world
population.
And THERE HAS to be a reason Microsoft is bitching. They know how to lie,
they know their markets, they know their loosing their markets to Linux.
Otherwise, why the crap about open source and GPL latel
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #31 Sat, 13 Jan 01 12:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE Hell ("MH")
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (Andres Soolo)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ("Chad Myers")
Re: Windows Stability (Andres Soolo)
Re: Windows Stability (Andres Soolo)
Re: You and Microsoft... (Bob Hauck)
Re: Two Thumbs up for the AntiTrust Movie and Open Source (mlw)
Re: Linux IDE RAID Cards (mlw)
Re: Ed is the standard editor ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux IDE RAID Cards ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("ono")
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (.)
Good read from ZDnet (sfcybear)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("ono")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (pip)
From: "MH" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:12:54 -0500
"Donovan Rebbechi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:39:42 -0500, MH wrote:
CC classes in my neck of the woods are running 45$ a credit hour.
Most CS classes are 3 to 4 credits. So, say 'Joe' wants to check out C++.
40 * 4 + 59 for Borland Turbo C++ suite, or, add another 30 for MSVC++ 6.
So that's $229, and you haven't started buying books. Most likely,
the instructor is going to choose books that are a complete waste
of money. For that money,
you could have several good books. Let's see, you could get:
The C class I allude to in my post required Mix Software's PowerC book
(dos) compiler. About $25 IIRC. The class was 4 credits at $38 a credit
hour. The instructor was a Unix guy. He set the class up with an account on
a linux box in order to telnet in and use GCC. Was the instructor a good
instructor? I'd say average. What you get from any CS class is what you're
going to put into it. If you are not a complete wall flower, and take
advantage of the healthy and competitive atmosphere that a class provides,
(not to mention if your GPA matters to you) a CC class will do quite a bit
more than reading the following on your own:
C++ How to Program
Accelerated C++
The C Programming Language
The C++ Programming Language
Effective C++
In quite a bit less time.
Not bad considering 16 -3 hour classes with an instructor in a computer
lab
for one out of the three hours. We all know the value that a classroom
setting provides is worth much more that the $$ spent to take it.
I know what value such a setting provides because I teach. Most undergrad
instructors are incompetent, especially at the weaker schools. Students
tend to learn very slowly in these classes, and learn how to regurgitate
the instructors (wrong) ideas on the exams.
I won't argue as to the incompetence of instrutors. The Republicans don't
like educated people, and as such, won't allocate the money to pay educated
people to teach. This is likely to get worse.
Students in CS should be weeded out ASAP. I had a BASIC-Visual Basic
instructor, who in the second week of an introductory programming course in
BASIC, had the class writing double and triple nested loops that required
mathmatical dependance for the required output. The class lost 15 or more
students by week 4. Later, after I had befriended this instructor, I asked
him about it. He replied that the loop thing in week 2 was his
"weed-wacker" -that so many students were coming into his VB classes from
other BASIC instructors who couldn't do squat. Harsh? Yep. But if more
instructors employed at least a little of this into the entry level courses,
the higher level courses would have competent, enthusiastic students.
Is 'Joe' better off spending nothing for Linux to have GCC and not taking
the class?
Joe could get gcc and take the class -- if it was worth it. I'd dispute
the value of such a thing though -- the beginner would learn more by
self-studying and lurking on comp.lang.c++
If the class instructor suck, I agree.
Joe could go Linux take the class, but then he has to deal with GCC,
and
he had better learn GDB to have a fighting chance at figuring out what is
wrong with his compiled code.
Nonsense. Basic fact: most 1st year students don't use debuggers, largely
because they do not need them. Personally, I use debuggers for tracking
down obscure errors with dynamic memory allocation.
First year students, yes. But I began with BASIC, then VB, then Pascal, then
C.
At this point, I wanted an IDE with a comprehensive debugger for C --one
that didn't spit out arcane error messages while I was trying to learn a
language much different than the ones that preceeded it.
One also has to learn how to use the IDE. Beginners have
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #30 Sun, 26 Nov 00 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Response to: MS Office sucks? So why is anyone using it? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
From: "Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:27:01 +0200
"mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 8vpjv9$5autc$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien wrote:
"mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 8vpeh6$52a0r$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien
wrote:
He doesn't have a floppy drive.
And there are tools for win98 that can read ext2 fs.
Not that come on a Win98 install disk, there aren't.
So? Is there a point here?
Much of my software doesn't come from the Windows CD.
Loading tons of application on a CD is convenient, but if MS would start
doing this you would hear screams about product bundling.
You said you were installing this to fix an ext2 system,
that's the point.
No, I said that he did it to *back up* ext2 system.
He has a non-bootable cd, I think.
If his CD is non-bootable, then HOW THE HELL IS HE INSTALLING WIN98?
You said he has no floppy and you were installing from a slackware
system which wouldn't boot. For G*d's sake, this is getting more
and more ridiculous.
I said *CD*, not *CD-ROM*
The CD Bios support booting from CD, the Slackware CD itself didn't.
vnetbios.vxd
you need this file to dial up, you don't need it for windows to work.
He skipped it because he is an idiot.
Ah, in Win98 if something goes wrong with the install, the CD cannot
be read, then the installer is an idiot?
No, the user is an idiot.
An installer is an "it", no a "he"
If he would've known what to do, he would've pointed the setup to the
alternative location.
Take a CD, take a screwdriver, scratch the CD, try to read the CD in a
CD-Rom
That is (to a lesser degree) happens to CD which are improperly handled.
It doesn't matter whose CD it is.
Ah, so you're now claiming that the CD we're installing from has
been vandalised? Even though the drive doesn't boot anyway?
No, it has been handled improperly, and it had scratches, which prevents
some of the disk from being read.
How does this has to do with a bottable CD?
The Drive boot, the Slackware CD doesn't.
And just to counter your next arguement, no, it wasn't the burned ISO,
(which as far as I know, can boot)
It was a CD that a friend burned for him, and he didn't make the CD a
bootable one
win98 cd contains several places where the cabs are stored on.
So you keep saying, but you also say that the CD doesn't boot,
that he has no floppy and that the existing OS won't start. Since
all of these cannot be true, I don't actually believe you.
There is a hell of a lot of a difference between a CD, which is a peice of
round plastic, and a CD-ROM, which is the drives that read it.
There are more things in heaven and hell that are dreamt of in your
philosopy, Huratcio - Shakspere (badly spelled, probably)
You also say that the CD doesn't boot, that he has no floppy and
that the existing OS won't start. Since all of these cannot be
true, I don't actually believe you.
See above.
I wasn't *talking* about Linux, I was talking about why you don't need
to
re-install windows.
Microsoft provide CDs from which it's very much possible to install.
But CD has a tendacy to get unreadable if you threat them wrongly.
You say quite clearly at the start of this thread that the
problem was with slackware, and you even say part way up this
post that you would install a third party package in order to
be able to read the ext2 filesystem.
Yes, but that wasn't what I'm talking about.
That is *background*.
I'm talking about how he reinstalled (twice!) to get rid of a problem he
could've gotten rid of without reinstalling.
You also say that the CD doesn't boot, that he has no floppy and
that the existing OS won't start. Since all of these cannot be
true, I don't actually believe you.
See above.
You also state quite clearly that the Microsoft CD was u
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #29Tue, 3 Oct 00 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Colin R. Day")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie! (JoeX1029)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Donovan Rebbechi)
PRE-RELEASE/PRE-ANNOUNCEMENT: NDOS Technical Library Available ("ASTI Software
Consulting")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Donovan Rebbechi)
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:25:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
Roberto Alsina wrote:
I did. It's just crap. Retrodictions have zero scientific value.
Then neither do predictions.
Predicting what you don't know is the single most important measure of
science's value.
Wrong. Science's most important, in fact *only*, measure of value is
explanatory power. The value of prediction lies only in the fact that
many humans don't recognize bullshit when they see it and fool themselves
into accepting theories with little or no explanatory power. IOW, the
value of prediction derives entirely from the value of explanation!
The reason explanatory power is important is because only through
empirical predictions can the truth of a hypothesis be tested. Science
is empirical discovery, not a narrative.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
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From: "Simon Cooke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:20:36 -0700
"Jonathan Revusky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Simon Cooke wrote:
"Jonathan Revusky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"James A. Robertson" wrote:
Peter van der Linden wrote:
James A. Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You haven't mentioned the main reason I stopped arguing - Mr.
Revusky
is
tiresome. He has one mode (non listening attack), and I got real
tired
of that real fast.
It is pretty clear to most people that the real reason you
won't debate the matter is that you do not have the intellectual
depth behind your "gut feelings".
Hmm - yet another brilliant response. I can add you to my personal
list
of tiresome people.
Yeah, I hear ya. People who say what they think honestly and
forthrightly really can be tiresome, can't they?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Especially as you can say what you
think
honestly and forthrightly and still be wrong.
Oh yeah, sure. A pathological liar can also tell the truth by accident.
You know, he says something that he is sure is a lie and it turns out
that the guy is actually saying something that's true despite himself!
We're all prone to error. But still, that some people are liars and some
people are truthful is an important and useful distinction, don't you
think?
So yeah, all of that could be a useful clarification about life in
general, I guess. Do you have anything further to add about this, Simon?
Certainly. PVDL would appear to be a liar so far. First of all his claim
about the PI, which he waved off as an "experiment". Secondly, that he had
shares in Braemar Inc.'s holding company. Thirdly that there is some kind of
causal link between the Braemar Inc. website being supposedly down and
Gary's posts.
Simon
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From: "Colin R. Day" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #28 Wed, 16 Aug 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Christopher Smith")
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Microsoft MCSE ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? ("Dave Furniss")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA (SamIam)
Re: Linux people don't speak Russian very well (was Re: Are Linux people ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:33:26 -0400
"Andrew J. Brehm" wrote:
Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Loren Petrich forfeited all rights to civility when he decided
to side with totalitarians.
And here, ladies and gentlemen, we can see how unalienable rights defend
the freedom of an individual against those who don't like him.
"He happened to forfeit his rights."
Do you not agree that a murderer forfeits his right to life.
Oh, that's what happened...
--
Fan of Woody Allen
PowerPC User
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:35:19 -0400
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
I couldn't ever get into Ally McBeal. Waay too many sexual
references (what is it, like one every 10 seconds?). My parents also
watch it religiously (I guess I'm still rebelling huh?).
Your parent's are baby-boomers, right?
Yeppers.
Juvenile TV shows for juvenile minds
(how many babyboomers do you know who are troubled by the fact that
society is beginning to expect them to at least behave like adults
(even though they still don't have the thought processes down very
well)?)
Well, my parents have both told me that I spent more time raising them
than they did raising me. But that's only partially true. I do
remember spending a lot of Saturday mornings screaming at my dad as he
puked his guts out after a 'night out on the town'. BTW, apparently I
didn't do a very good job of raising them, cause niether one of them
seems to be capable of having an adult conversation for more than three
minutes at a time. They are constantly pulling one of these, no it was
his fault, no it was her fault kind of things. Real fun when you go out
to eat with them.
My condolences. I was fortunate in that my parents are just a couple
of years older than the baby-boomers, and ... stayed away from
moronic behavior.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel
