Linux-Hardware Digest #159

2001-01-10 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #159, Volume #14   Thu, 11 Jan 01 02:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: A Direct Modem-to-Modem Connection ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: Grecord alternative? (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
  Re: Lexmark Optra312 and Z52 in Mandrake 7.2?? (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
  Beta testers wanted for Initio 9x00UW driver (Trevor Hemsley)
  Compaq MV5000 monitor (hongsmelt)
  Re: D-Link DE-220PCT NIC Problems (Luckydaze)
  Re: I need an advice for Zip USB, (Dances With Crows)
  MS Outlook Express ("DjM")
  Re: CD-RW (Michel Catudal)
  need NAT help please ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Pseudo Driver to hook onto input drivers (Paul Chiha)
  DLink 530TX, what chip does it use? (bjrosen)
  PLEASE HELP! (Cubic Meter)
  Re: Recomendations for a preinstalled machine ("DjM")
  Re: Is Promise Ultra ATA100 controller supported? ("J.Pedro")
  A few questions?? (Tim Dale)
  Re: Step-by step to install Linux RH7 and Win98. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Diagnostics Test Program for Linux? (jwk)
  printcap:account name ([EMAIL PROTECTED])



From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Direct Modem-to-Modem Connection
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:50:39 +0100

Juha Laiho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Youngert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>Juha Laiho wrote:
>>Are you saying if I need to connect two computers using a PPP connection 
>>through their modems, then it is doable as what you mentioned on the above 

Well, how else does he think computers are NORMALLY conected across
phone lines? Mind you, if you want to do this without an exchange in
the way, you will have to add a 5V bias to the line. In series.

But what's the point? Just connect with a crossover cable if you're
that close.

> more; anyway, as I recall it was, you should be able to just connect two
> modems from their "LINE" interfaces, and send those above commands to get

Not quite. You need the bias voltage. Surely this is all covered in the
Serial-HOWTO?

Peter

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From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Grecord alternative?
Date: 11 Jan 2001 01:43:15 +0100

Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out.
> 
> However, if it only checks levels after recording has already completed, then
> it's probably not really what I'm looking for. I'd like a recorder that shows
> real-time input level such as I get with the Creative Recorder that runs on
> Windoze.

no no, there is some misunderstanding --- gramofile *does* show
realtime display (update every half second or something like that) of
the input levels. Afterwards it gives an *aditional* detailed
statistics.

It's a quite basic textscreen interface, fut absolutely functional.


K.-H.


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Karl-Heinz Herrmann
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lexmark Optra312 and Z52 in Mandrake 7.2??
Date: 11 Jan 2001 01:39:48 +0100

fahlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I will soon get 2 new printers,the ones mentioned in the subjectline.
> I see that Lexmark has Linux drivers for them both,I was wondering if 
> anybody have tried those drivers?Any problems.

OptraE312 has postscript built in. Thats perfect, why an aditional
driver? What's that one for? ps to PCL?

And you can run the E312 with some Laserjet PCL drivers (ljet4d[ith]
for example) as well.

K.-H.


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E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Hemsley)
Subject: Beta testers wanted for Initio 9x00UW driver
Date: 11 Jan 2001 01:04:00 GMT

All

I'm looking for beta testers for a patched initio.o driver that I 
have.

I've added support to the ini9100u/i91uscsi Initio INI9x00/UW device 
driver for the /proc file system. 

I've also fixed a couple of bugs in the driver - the one that might be
of most consequence is that the driver uses the BIOS settings for the 
wrong device for all devices except SCSI ID 0! It uses the setting for
the device with double the SCSI ID of the one you really have...

Output from the proc fs support looks vaguely like this:

trevor@trevor4:~ >cat /proc/scsi/ini9100u/0
Host 0: Base Addr.  = 0xE400 IRQ = 14
BIOS Addr.  = 0xC8000SCSI ID = 7
Max Targets = 16  Number of SCBs = 128
Total Reads = 17204 Total Writes = 3065
BIOS Config: Bus Reset = Y Parity = Y Autoterm = Y Power Mgt =
N

Device(0:0:0) SEAGATE ST34371W 0360, synch at 40.0MB/s (Wide)
Disconnect enabled  DOS >1GB Support  Tagged queueing (255 allowed)
  

Linux-Hardware Digest #159

2000-06-30 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #159, Volume #13   Fri, 30 Jun 00 16:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: OfficeJet 710 (Andrey Vlasov)
  Re: ALS 100+ (Edward Lee)
  Re: Voodoo3 2000 PCI and RedHat 5.2 (Dan Lapine)
  Help recording audio with Sound Blaster Pro (David A Hansen)
  Re: GUS PnP & Linux ("Remy Moulin")
  Re: Where can found GBit Ethernet Card and device driver? (Dan Lapine)
  Re: Abit KA7 and mouse problems (Dan Lapine)
  MAXTOR 27G IDE, how to partition? (Jim White)
  Re: driver for yamaha-cd-writer (Dan Lapine)
  Re: Looking for PCI 66/64 mainboard w/Linux compatibility (Gabor 'Morc' Kormos)
  Dell poweredge 2450, adaptec 7899 scsi controller, setting up raid ("maelmord")
  Re: barcode scanners, please reaply! (Andrey Vlasov)
  Problems in instaling Red Hat  ("coder-a")
  Re: SANE scanner (Ferdinand Badescu)
  Re: Soundblaster - emu10k1 (Ferdinand Badescu)
  Re: Asus PC3W 810 chipset motherboard question (Andrey Vlasov)
  Two network cards on same subnet (Gabor 'Morc' Kormos)
  Adaptec 1542C - Unable to abort... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Mouse Systems Replacement? (Anthony Ewell)
  Re: barcode scanners, please reaply! (Scott Alfter)
  Linux box as a recording device (J'mes Pallack)
  Re: Dell poweredge 2450, adaptec 7899 scsi controller, setting up raid (Gabor 'Morc' 
Kormos)
  Re: SANE scanner
  Re: CD-WRITER ATAPI (Duane)
  Re: Hard disk problems !! (Duane)
  Re: rc.sysinit: Loading sound module failed (Andrey Vlasov)



From: Andrey Vlasov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OfficeJet 710
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:18:39 -0700

Hi there,

it will works partialy  according info from next page

http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=142944

Andrey



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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ALS 100+
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:15:18 -0700

Download the drivers at http://linnix.com

Dan Lapine wrote:

> Edward Lee wrote:
> >
> > I have an ALS100, ALS110 and ALS120 playing mp3s on Linux.
> >
> > Stefano Bolli wrote:
> >
> > > I'm waiting for driver to download at www.opensound.com.Anyway,is there
> > > anyone who has ALS 100+ fully working under
> > > Linux?
> Then the question would be how did you get them to work?
>
> --
> Daniel LaPine
> Student at National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Dan Lapine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 3dfx.products.voodoo3
Subject: Re: Voodoo3 2000 PCI and RedHat 5.2
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:29:31 -0500

Alex Meaden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Does the 3DFX Voodoo3 2000 PCI graphics card work well in RedHat 6.2 - more
> specifically does it work well with the version of XFree86 that is supplied
> with RedHat 6.2?
> TIA,
> Alex.

Running a V3-3000 and a V3-1000G (Gateway pull) on both of my machines
with the stock RedHat x-windows drivers.

-- 
Daniel LaPine
Student at National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A Hansen)
Subject: Help recording audio with Sound Blaster Pro
Date: 30 Jun 2000 18:21:38 GMT

Hello. I am running RedHat 5.2 with a SBPro 2 soundcard. I configured
the card using sndconfig. IO=0x220, IRQ=5 DMA=1. The sample sound worked
and I have no trouble playing .au files. I have not been able to record
any sounds though! I use aumix and set the MIC to record and high
volume. I try recording with 'dd bs=8k count=3 < /dev/audio > test.au'
but no sound is captured. I try using yarec-0.65 but this does not work
either. However, it gives me the message '22050Hz not supported by
driver, using 21739'  Can anyone help? 
Thanks.

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@#+%
Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "Remy Moulin" 
Subject: Re: GUS PnP & Linux
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:46:26 +0200

"Student" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi everybody

Hi !


> Does anyone have a Gravis Ultrasound PnP (with 8MB RAM) working
> under Linux? I tried to follow the GUS-Howto but it didn't seem to work...

Same case here (Gus PnP 8Mb)... I tried Alsa once (ALSA project  
http://www.alsa-project.org )
... but I don't know how to decompress the archive .bz2 ! That driver is still in work.

> I know I should buy a better and newer soundcard, but I like my GUS very much
> and I don't want to throw it away...

Yeah... That card still rock... against low-end pci fm sound-cards !



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From: Dan Lapine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can found GBit Ethernet Card and device driver?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:39:27 -0500

DIO wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyb

Linux-Hardware Digest #159

1999-09-01 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #159, Volume #11Wed, 1 Sep 99 20:13:46 EDT

Contents:
  Re: X proggies don't connect to server...! (Spike!)
  Re: My New Toy! (Spike!)
  Re: Dual Pentium II shows as Dual Celeron... (Artur Swietanowski)
  Re: usb mouse support, NOT (Spike!)
  Re: Riva TNT (Timothy Murphy)
  Re: Linux users group in Kansas City area - can't find one (Douglas Sparling)
  Re: zip scsi interface real scsi? (David C.)
  TG9660 and LG flatron 795ft plus. ("Kim,Taesung")
  Re: An Acer Hole! (David Rudder)
  IP Masquerading Modules and 2.3.16 ("TURBO1010")
  Re: hooray! PS/2 /w Linux at 115200 bps! (David C.)
  Re: $299 linux pc hardware questions (quick)
  Re: Problem with CD Player in GNOME. ("Jorge")
  Redhat 6.0 -- No lp device! (Darren Enns)
  Re: Does anyone know how to get a DLink DE- 220 Network Card working? ("Gary")



From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X proggies don't connect to server...!
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:29:55 +0100

And verily, didst Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> I got the same error message with caldera 2.2 when trying to run 'x'
> proggies from an xterm as a different user.  I now type 'xhost +' at the
> prompt in the xterm first and it disables the problem.  I'm not sure what
> kind of security risk it represents though.  that was the only suggestion
> anyone gave me that I could use.

xhost can be more versatile and secure than that.
For example, if you're logging on to a machine called... say... rincewind,
and you're on twoflower, you can type 

xhost + rincewind 

at the xterm prompt on twoflower, and 

setenv DISPLAY twoflower:0.0 

on rincewind.

Then, any x-apps you start on rincewind will appear on twoflower...
Any other host attempting to connect to the x-server will be denied as
normal...

On a local machine, to enable all users to connect to the xserver, simply 

xhost + localhost

and

setenv DISPLAY :0
as the other user should be enough. 
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|   |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack|
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |in the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you|
|   |can't move, with no hope of rescue. |
|   Andrew Halliwell BSc|Consider how lucky you are that life has been   |
|in |good to you so far...   |
| Computer Science  |   -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
==
|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+  w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!|  Space for hire  |

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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My New Toy!
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:35:51 +0100

And verily, didst Kyle E. Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> Bet my system's faster than yours! I just got an 8-way 550MHz with 2mb
> cache on board.  I was going to wait for Athlon, but 8-way Xeon is here
> and was calling my name.  I just bought it at http://www.indybox.com
> it's too awesome.  Soon to be on net serving you.

!

My dick's bigger than yours! Aren't I manly...

Why should we be impressed by the speed of your system?
If I had the money, I could do exactly the same thing, if I wanted to.
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|   |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack|
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |in the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you|
|   |can't move, with no hope of rescue. |
|   Andrew Halliwell BSc|Consider how lucky you are that life has been   |
|in |good to you so far...   |
| Computer Science  |   -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
==
|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+  w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!|  Space for hire  |

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From: Artur Swietanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Dual Pentium II shows as Dual Celeron...
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:49:14 +0200

Greg Leblanc wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   Artur Swietanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Stuart Hall wrote:
> [snip]
> > > When I boot from loadlin I got the uncompressing linux and the
> > > system hung for about 20 seconds when usually it just rips right by
> > > that notification.
> >
> > Exactly what could be expected. Internal cache works with full
> > processor speed, while wit

Linux-Hardware Digest #159

1999-05-04 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #159, Volume #10Tue, 4 May 99 19:13:36 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Winmodem Rip Off Baskets (Andrew Comech)
  Re: HP support sucks (was: funniest printer-problem) (A Unique Name)
  Re: Redhat 6.0... the good, the bad, and the ugly (Richard Torkar)
  Re: RealTek RTL 8029 PCI Ethernet Driver (M. Buchenrieder)
  isdn modem (Alpine)
  Fibre Channel for Linux? (Patrick Rea)
  Re: RH 5.2&6.0:  mouse conflicts with network card (?!!) (Ron Flory)
  Re: Linux and Win98? (Eric Fierke)
  Re: modem is slow in console and x (kde) ("isaac1")
  PS/2 - ACER 1120SX - "gpm -t ps2" keyboard error (until killed from network) (Leif 
Erlingsson)
  Linux Hardware Database ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  ATAPI zip (Mono)
  Re: Linux and BH6 ("David B. Hostetler")
  Re: 3COM 3CCFE54TB PCMCIA 10/100 Base-TX Ethernet card (Michael James Weiskopff)
  NE2000 ISA pnp NIC. ("David B. Hostetler")
  HP Deskjet 500c ("Oliver J. Haas")
  Drucker läuft nicht ("Oliver J. Haas")
  Re: Exabyte 8200 issues (Lane Robert)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: Winmodem Rip Off Baskets
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 May 1999 13:20:37 -0500

On Tue, 04 May 1999 10:13:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi!
>
>Originally for uk.legal, but I thought it might interest you...
>
>Get a load of this for the ultimate in a Microsoft dominated world :
>
>I bought a Pace 56k Internal modem from a local computer store for 59.99.  It
>was an ISA modem and works perfectly with Windows, Linux and anything else you
>care to throw at it.  Having recommended this modem to a friend, I went in and
>purchased what I thought was the same one for him, again for 59.99.  Only this
>time, it turns out it was a PCI controllerless modem (i.e. you need to be
>running Windows in order for it to work (winmodem)).  

So far, there is not a single PCI modem available which would run
under Linux. One has to avoid them as well as modems marked as soft-, HCF-, 
and HSP- nonmodems.

You are certainly in your right if the modem was marked as ISA, but
turned out to be PCI (which is not likely).

If it was marked as PCI... 
Well, certainly Windows is among the system requirements, as it is on 
_most_ modems (including those of ISA modems which are _true_ modems)...

What you can try is to find in the specifications of that particular
modem that it is controllerless or whatever, _without_ the firmware (also, 
look up the specifications of the chipset), and then to demonstrate that 
this _was not_ mentioned on the box. If you are persistent, this could lead 
to a refund. Although almost all PCI modems are software-based, the 
manufacturers still have to write the description of what's in the box...

These guys do not bother much to write all this stuff on boxes 
with ISA modems, and that's why people end up with winmodems so often.

>Remember, next time you buy an internal modem, specify that it's for Linux and
>you'll get one that operates properly.  Cos Windows won't be here forever.

You would not have much luck with this until the next year, I guess.

a.

PS. parity -> logic parity, ECC-compatible.. But there is also this good 
old "no parity".

modem -> software modem, winmodem, host-controlled modem...
Should not there be "no modem" on the box?

-- 
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem

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From: A Unique Name
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp.hardware
Subject: Re: HP support sucks (was: funniest printer-problem)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:04:34 GMT
Reply-To: patrick@cyberhighwaydotnet

Sounds better than no support for old products to me.  

On Tue, 04 May 1999 19:20:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (peter)
wrote:

>
>I called HP-support today (I found the number on their website - section 
>"support for products with no warranty left"). 
>friendly voice "how can I help you" I tell the story "..." "ok, I put you 
>trough" This went four times then I was forced to call a different number 
>and then I ran into an electronic "press 4 to ..." system and after my 
>telephoncounter showed up 40ATS (~3US$) I was told that requests for 
>products with no warranty left costs ATS300 (~US$23) per call ! free 
>support can only be found on their webpage ...
>
>
>peter
>
>-
>pilsl@
>ANTISPAM
>goldfisch.atat.at

patrickatcyberhighwaydotnet

admin@loopback  $LOGIN@localhost  $LOGNAME@localhost  $USER@localhost
$USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Richard Torkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0... the g

Linux-Hardware Digest #159

1999-01-12 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #159, Volume #9Tue, 12 Jan 99 03:13:45 EST

Contents:
  initio 9100UW & videomodelines (Horvath Gabor)
  Re: Which version of Xfree86 3.3.3 should I download? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Want to do direct install of Redhat 5.2 via FTP since I have Cox@home but am 
stuck in the DUNGEONS OF DOOM !!! SO HEELP !!! 
("anarkissed")
  Laptop & external display??? (Paul MacIntosh)
  Re: Tape drive recommendations (Raymond Lillard)
  Help with digital camera checksum calculation - a challenge (Brian Miller)
  Can't setup printer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Linux video card compatibility site? (Hugh)
  Linux on Pentium Pro? ("Jim Williams")
  soundbalster live or other good card (Linux) ? (Yves Dorfsman)
  Re: HP Kayak XA: make soundcard work? (James)
  Soundblaster under Debian 2.0 (Ramesh Natarajan)
  Re: Linux with Non Intel
  re:Problem With Ncr 876 ("Dale Khehra")
  VESA fb with S3 Trio3D (Andrius Kaikaris)
  Re: Epson 600=640 ? (Andy Fraser)
  Re: HP DeskJet 8xx: Linux Compatible? (toorffej)
  Re: Linux fails to boot after dual-booting Windows 95;Reinstall LILO and it works 
again!? (Eric Hardwick)
  SCSI DVD-ROM drives (as CD)? (Alex Taylor)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Horvath Gabor)
Subject: initio 9100UW & videomodelines
Date: 11 Jan 1999 22:47:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi!

I need some info on the $Subject SCSI card. I know that the manufacturer 
provides a driver but I'd like to know how good it is and if there is  any
kernel development going on about it. I would also care for some perfomance 
info. I plan to swap my aha2940W to an initio9100UW. 
I have no idea if it will be worth.

The other question is: Does anyone know of a program that is supposed to be
used for calculating modelines. I found one long ago but I lost it and I have
not been able to find it again.
If you answer send it to me also please, I don't read this list regularly.
Thanx

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ps:I apologize for my english :) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Which version of Xfree86 3.3.3 should I download?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:09:25 GMT

Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated.



In article <775tfr$ksi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "Grant Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For Redhat you'll need the glibc version..
> best bet would be goto the ftp://ftp.redhat.com site or a mirror and check
> in the "Updates" directory under RedHat5.2, XFree86 3.3.3 rpms are there.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:775p46$mmn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >* binaries/Linux-ix86-libc5/ binaries for Linux on Intel hardware
> > (Most Linux users should use the Linux-ix86
> > binaries.  They are for ELF libc 5.x.  The
> older
> > a.out libc 4.x is no longer supported.  If you
> > have libc 6 (GNU libc) you should use the
> > Linux-ix86-glibc binaries.)
> >* binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc/ binaries for Linux on Intel hw (with glibc)
> >
> >  Is the file I need one of these, or am I way off?  I have Red Hat 5.2.  I
> >know I need to use the XF86_SVGA server, but I am lost.  If anyone could
> help
> >me find the correct file to download I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>

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From: "anarkissed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
linux.redhat.install,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Want to do direct install of Redhat 5.2 via FTP since I have Cox@home but 
am stuck in the DUNGEONS OF DOOM !!! SO HEELP !!!
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:59:28 GMT


Miguel Cruz wrote in message <77dcgd$3jl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>Even though it changes all the time, you really only have to pay the two
>dollars once. After you have it working, you can easily update online. The
>CD is just to get you started the first time. It really will make your life
>easier. If the two dollars is a problem, give me your address and I'll
order
>it for you.
>
>miguel

Now there's a curious thing.  I hear it's only two dollars american, which
makes it actually four dollars here in canada, but the local store charges
sixty dollars plus fifteen in taxes.
So, it's not that cheap, two weeks grocery budget!  Heck, a blank CD is four
dollars canadian now that they put that stupid surcharge on blank recording
media (supposed to com