Re: OT: adsl microfilter and analog modem
Hi, (1) I've been able to use an analog modem (data mode) on a Toshiba laptop _WHILE_ using ADSL (I was browsing the ADSL-HOWTO with analog modem/laptop in order to setup the ADSL on the linux/desktop. So nice to have 2 computers at home ...). (2) Has the modem (in both data and fax) worked recently at all ? What I'm saying, is that I've had at least 2 modems break down over the last 5 years. Put your modem (data+fax) to the test in conditions you know it worked in, try taking it to a friend's house with regular phone line and see if it works. I recall that the "NO DIALTONE" error was the symptom to a faulty modem (in my case). (2) Could be that this particular modem does not handle well the MicroFilter situation. Could be that your modem's error handling is not good enough to handle the noise that comes from the high freq. range used by ADSL. Recall that you're using a non-ideal and passive filter, so some noise does pass from ADSL freq. range to lower/regular phone line freq. range. Maybe get a firmware update for the modem ? But test if the modem works at all. I would not relate this to wiring problems, the same modem-phone-jack-in-wall setup that you've used prior to ADSL should work. Good Luck Gal. Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 12:41:11AM +0300, Barak Kaufman wrote: > > all the filter does is split the frequencies (low frequencies range goes to > > teh phone , hish to the adsl). probably what happens is that the modem doesnt > > recognise the "filtered" dialtone, what u can do is try to override the > > dialtone detection in the modem with aATX1 init string. > > Thanks, I will try that. > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Sorry for being off-topic, but I am desperate. I asked whoever I know > > > who has adsl, computer and electric equipment stores, bezeq, STFW ... > > > And I have a suspicion that there are here some people with much better > > > knowledge than me about phones stuff. > > > > > > My problem: I can't use an analog modem with the microfilter bezeq > > > gave me for adsl, e.g. I can't send a fax while being connected to > > > adsl. When I try, the modem says 'NO DIALTONE'. > > > > [snipped] > > -- > > Barak Kaufman > > Customer Support Manager > > Oz-Tech Information Systems > > Didi > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Gal Aviel. begin:vcard n:Aviel;Gal tel;fax:972-4-8551786 tel;work:972-4-8551550 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Zoran Microelectronics Ltd.;DTV Team version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:VLSI Design Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;Advanced Technology Center=0D=0AP.O.B 2495;Haifa;;31204;Israel x-mozilla-cpt:;6224 fn:Gal Aviel end:vcard
Re: YOM IYOON?
Ilya Konstantinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sound editing tools are also sorrily missing, according to people > who've tried to employ Linux for audio works. Fresh off /.: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/28/1723200&mode=thread&tid=106 -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A sense of the fundamental decencies is parceled out unequally at birth." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X does not start
Hi all. After sudden powerdown the system goes up, but: 1. X would not start complaining "cannot lock .Xauthority file" and "cannot read /tmp/.X0-lock". /tmp/X0-lock does not exist. 2. gpm service would not start complaining /var/run/gpm.pid is not present. 3. on boot there is a message "cannot remove /var/lock/subsys/network": input-output error. Fsck does not find any problems. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance 'Max. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
running a user-defined script with hotplug
Hi List, I have RH73 that uses hotplug to monitor the usb and load modules when needed, and it works fine. However, I would like to run a script whenever I insert my DiskOnKey to the usb socket, and another one (well, it could be the smae one but with another arg) when I unplug it. man hotplug and google did not tell me the answer to my simple question. Please don't suggest to rewrite /etc/hostplug/usb.agent. This is not what I'm looking for. Dan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X does not start
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Maxim Kryachko wrote: > Hi all. > After sudden powerdown the system goes up, but: > > 1. X would not start complaining "cannot lock .Xauthority file" and "cannot > read /tmp/.X0-lock". /tmp/X0-lock does not exist. 2. gpm service would not > start complaining /var/run/gpm.pid is notpresent. 3. on boot there is a > message "cannot remove /var/lock/subsys/network": input-output error. > > Fsck does not find any problems. > Any suggestions? Start with gpm, as it s generally simpler than X. First some necessary reality checks: Are you sure that /tmp and /var (or maybe the whole of /) are nt mounted 'ro'? or maybe some file systems are njot mounted at all? Or maybe some directories do not exists? I assume that you have already checked those (or you would have noticed them), but just in case. Anyway, all those messages hint of a file-system level problem. Can 'touch' and 'rm' be used to create and/or delete the relevant files? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X does not start
On Wed, May 29, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: X does not start":
> Anyway, all those messages hint of a file-system level problem. Can
> 'touch' and 'rm' be used to create and/or delete the relevant files?
You might want to manually try "e2fsck -c" (check for bad blocks) and/or
"e2fsck -f" (force checking even if file system seems clean) on the
filesystem holding /var. You should unmount that filesystem first - if
you can't do that on a running system you'll need to boot to single-user
mode ("linux single") or switch to single-user mode with "telinit S".
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Re: X does not start
/ is fully accessible, mounted rw, it's OK. cd; mkdir 1; mv .Xauth* 1 - does not help. cd /tmp; touch .X0-lock - does not help. cd /var/run; touch gpm.pid - does not help. there are only 2 filesystems: /boot and /, both mounted rw. --- Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2002, Maxim Kryachko wrote: > > > Hi all. > > After sudden powerdown the system goes up, but: > > > > 1. X would not start complaining "cannot lock .Xauthority file" and "cannot > > read /tmp/.X0-lock". /tmp/X0-lock does not exist. 2. gpm service would not > > start complaining /var/run/gpm.pid is notpresent. 3. on boot there is a > > message "cannot remove /var/lock/subsys/network": input-output error. > > > > Fsck does not find any problems. > > Any suggestions? > > Start with gpm, as it s generally simpler than X. > > First some necessary reality checks: > > Are you sure that /tmp and /var (or maybe the whole of /) are nt mounted > 'ro'? or maybe some file systems are njot mounted at all? Or maybe some > directories do not exists? > > I assume that you have already checked those (or you would have noticed > them), but just in case. > > Anyway, all those messages hint of a file-system level problem. Can > 'touch' and 'rm' be used to create and/or delete the relevant files? > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X does not start
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Maxim Kryachko wrote: > --- Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 29 May 2002, Maxim Kryachko wrote: > > > > > Hi all. > > > After sudden powerdown the system goes up, but: > > > > > > 1. X would not start complaining "cannot lock .Xauthority file" and "cannot > > > read /tmp/.X0-lock". /tmp/X0-lock does not exist. 2. gpm service would not > > > start complaining /var/run/gpm.pid is notpresent. 3. on boot there is a > > > message "cannot remove /var/lock/subsys/network": input-output error. > > > > > > Fsck does not find any problems. > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Start with gpm, as it s generally simpler than X. > > > > First some necessary reality checks: > > > > Are you sure that /tmp and /var (or maybe the whole of /) are nt mounted > > 'ro'? or maybe some file systems are njot mounted at all? Or maybe some > > directories do not exists? > > > > I assume that you have already checked those (or you would have noticed > > them), but just in case. > > > > Anyway, all those messages hint of a file-system level problem. Can > > 'touch' and'rm' be used to create and/or delete the relevant files? > > / is fully accessible, mounted rw, it's OK. > > there are only 2 filesystems: /boot and /, both mounted rw. > > cd; mkdir 1; mv .Xauth* 1 - does not help. > cd /tmp; touch .X0-lock - does not help. > cd /var/run; touch gpm.pid - does not help. Well, then why is gpm compalining? try: echo "test1" > /var/run/gpm.pid cat /var/run/gpm.pid rm -fv /var/run/gpm.pid ls -l /var/run/gpm.pid (the latter should, of course, return an error that there is no such file) Now that you see tha this file is indeed fully writable and deletable, try restarting gpm: /etc/init.d/gpm restart Are there any error messages? If so: try stopping gpm, and see if there are any copies of it still runnig. Kiil them, try restarting (gpm!) and see if the problem is solved (try restarting a couple of times to see that no extra copies are indeed creatred) IIRC the pid file is created by the init.d scri[t itself, and not by the program gpm. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OO: rpm libc error
Hello, I had the exact same problem. Also, installing glibc didn't help. I'm kind of a newbie so I might do something wrong, although I did try making it work in every way I could think of. Another thing is that I managed to install the "normal" version of OO from their site, it's not an rpm but it does check to see if you have the correct version of gcc. Could it happen because the machine used to create the rpm was running RH 7.3 (mine is 7.2)? Should I install the latest version of gcc (I think it's 3.1) to make it work (it's not an rpm installation, and looks pretty complicated)? Thanks, Jonathan. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eliran > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OO: rpm libc error > > > Hello group, > I have finally managed to get Open Office. > I got both debs and rpms + the libstlport4.5.gcc3-4.5.3-5.i386.rpm. > When tried to install the package (rpm -ivh) I got a dependencies > message about GCC_3 and stuff, so I inserted my RH7.2 CD and installed > the appropriate rpms from both installation CD's. > > After installing all the required packages I left with one dependency: > > error: failed dependencies: > libc.so.6(GCC_3.0) is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 > > I looked for glibc and libc (or libcap in the cd's) but these versions > were already installed, and gcc3 was installed too. > > Before a minute I downloaded glibc-2.2.5-34.i386.rpm which suppose > to come with RH7.3 (from rpmfind.net) and in the html information > file I saw it *provides*: libc.so.6 > > When trying to install this glibc I see it needs glibc-common > which is 10 M ! (not enough bandwidth for it) > > Is it really important for me to download these ? > > In OO installation HTML file (downloaded from IGLU too) it > says that it > successfully compiled on RH7.1 , did other rpms required > installation too ? > > Regards, > Eliran > -- > http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran > > I replaced the headlights on my car with strobe lights. Now it looks > like I'm the only one moving. > -- Stephen Wright > > On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 06:37:06PM +0300, Eliran wrote: > > > > -- > > http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran > > > > The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and > > wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United > > States, as well as its interpretation by every major > commentator and > > court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates > > that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen > > to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. > > -- Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution > of the Committee On > > The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th > Congress, second session > > (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5 > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran > > A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tcp time-outs from a linux server
Hi I noticed that my linux server was unable to connect to some remote smtp server. Simple 'telnet remoteserver 25' gives a timeout (no connection seems to be established). When I try to connect from some windows workstation I have no problem. The server's kernel is 2.4.8 (Mandrake 8.1 w/updates). I recall some issues of linux 2.4 with some TOS features, but I can't find any pointers to that after browsing the HOWTOs and a web search. Can anybody provide a relevant pointer? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tcp time-outs from a linux server
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:33:34PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Hi > > I noticed that my linux server was unable to connect to some remote smtp > server. Simple 'telnet remoteserver 25' gives a timeout (no connection > seems to be established). When I try to connect from some windows > workstation I have no problem. Broken firewalls blocking ECN? (Explicit Congestion Notification, see http://www.icir.org/floyd/ecn.html. Recently became a standard). try "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn", if ECN is indeed the problem. -- Sunday 7 Forelithe 7466 http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tcp time-outs from a linux server
On Wed, May 29, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "tcp time-outs from a linux server": > I noticed that my linux server was unable to connect to some remote smtp > server. Simple 'telnet remoteserver 25' gives a timeout (no connection > seems to be established). When I try to connect from some windows > workstation I have no problem. Can you connect to that remoteserver from hosts? The problem might be that the remote smtp server is checking your ident server and you have a fireall denying (not rejecting) incoming connections to that port on your machine. Could this be the case? > The server's kernel is 2.4.8 (Mandrake 8.1 w/updates). I recall some > issues of linux 2.4 with some TOS features, but I can't find any pointers > to that after browsing the HOWTOs and a web search. Unless something really weird is happening at your ISP, I doubt TOS has anything to do with it... It you're connected via ADSL, you should make sure your MTU setting is good. -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, May 29 2002, 18 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |The socks in my drawer are like http://nadav.harel.org.il |snowflakes: No two are alike. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: tcp time-outs from a linux server
I realize this is an overkill and some of it have little effect (though because i use masquerading the prerouting on the opposite direction slow the request rate a bit so its something.). the output works great though. I used 28k sportster modem for 2 years with 3 computers and it was very usable this way. hope it helps: iptdir="/usr/local/sbin/iptables" $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 21 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 21 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 22 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 22 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 23 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 23 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 80 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 80 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 110 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 110 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 25 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 25 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 6667:6669 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport 6667:6669 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport ftp-data -j TOS --set-tos Maximize-Throughput $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport ftp-data -j TOS --set-tos Maximize-Throughput $iptdir -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport nntp -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Cost $iptdir -A OUTPUT -t mangle -p tcp --dport nntp -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Cost * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tzafrir Cohen > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:34 PM > To: Linux-IL mailing list > Subject: tcp time-outs from a linux server > > > Hi > > I noticed that my linux server was unable to connect to some > remote smtp > server. Simple 'telnet remoteserver 25' gives a timeout (no connection > seems to be established). When I try to connect from some windows > workstation I have no problem. > > The server's kernel is 2.4.8 (Mandrake 8.1 w/updates). I recall some > issues of linux 2.4 with some TOS features, but I can't find > any pointers > to that after browsing the HOWTOs and a web search. > > Can anybody provide a relevant pointer? > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tcp time-outs from a linux server
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:33:34PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I noticed that my linux server was unable to connect to some remote smtp > > server. Simple 'telnet remoteserver 25' gives a timeout (no connection > > seems to be established). When I try to connect from some windows > > workstation I have no problem. > > Broken firewalls blocking ECN? (Explicit Congestion Notification, see > http://www.icir.org/floyd/ecn.html. Recently became a standard). > > try "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn", if ECN is indeed the problem. Thanks, this was it. And to make this permanent (after next reboot), I added the following to /etc/sysctl.conf # Disable ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification): some silly routers haven't # implemented it net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 0 Thanks for the quick response, everybody -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tcp time-outs from a linux server
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 16:33, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Hi > > I noticed that my linux server was unable to connect to some remote smtp > server. Simple 'telnet remoteserver 25' gives a timeout (no connection > seems to be established). When I try to connect from some windows > workstation I have no problem. > > The server's kernel is 2.4.8 (Mandrake 8.1 w/updates). I recall some > issues of linux 2.4 with some TOS features, but I can't find any pointers > to that after browsing the HOWTOs and a web search. Try to disable ECN with it is enabled. Try to lower the MTU. If this doesn't work send tcpdumps of a Windows machine and the Linux server connectiong and maybe we can see the problems Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Code mangler, senior coffee drinker and VP SIGSEGV Qlusters ltd. "A billion flies _can_ be wrong - I'd rather eat lamb chops than shit." -- Linus Torvalds on lkml = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tcp time-outs from a linux server
On Wed, May 29, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: tcp time-outs from a linux server": > > try "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn", if ECN is indeed the problem. > > Thanks, this was it. > > And to make this permanent (after next reboot), I added the following to > /etc/sysctl.conf On Redhat 7.3's kernel, tcp_ecn seems to be turned off by default, without you having to write anything in /etc/sysctl.conf. I'm not sure ECN is ready for prime-time yet :( -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, May 29 2002, 18 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Learn from mistakes of others; you won't http://nadav.harel.org.il |live long enough to make them all yourself = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running a user-defined script with hotplug
On Wed, 29 May 2002 13:48:43 +0300 (IDT), Dan Kenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, I would like to run a script whenever I insert my DiskOnKey to the usb > socket, and another one (well, it could be the smae one but with another arg) > when I unplug it. Why don't you add a simple test like [ -s ] or [ -d ] for a file or dir that are exist on this DiskOnKey, then you know if it is plugged (file/dir exist) or unplugged (does not). Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /"\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running a user-defined script with hotplug
Hi, On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 01:48:43PM +0300, Dan Kenigsberg wrote: > Hi List, > > I have RH73 that uses hotplug to monitor the usb and load modules when needed, > and it works fine. > > However, I would like to run a script whenever I insert my DiskOnKey to the usb > socket, and another one (well, it could be the smae one but with another arg) > when I unplug it. > > man hotplug and google did not tell me the answer to my simple question. Even though Debian also has hotplug, I found it much easier to use a package called usbmgr. I don't know if RH has it, but even if it doesn't, I suggest to look at it. I can share my conf, if anyone is interested. > > Please don't suggest to rewrite /etc/hostplug/usb.agent. This is not what I'm > looking for. > > Dan. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
``Runlevel S is not really meant to be used directly''
> On Wed, May 29, 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote about "Re: X does not start":
>
> You might want to manually try "e2fsck -c" (check for bad blocks) and/or
> "e2fsck -f" (force checking even if file system seems clean) on the
> filesystem holding /var. You should unmount that filesystem first - if
> you can't do that on a running system you'll need to boot to single-user
> mode ("linux single") or switch to single-user mode with "telinit S".
>
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On my Debian woody, init(8) says:
and runlevel 1 is used to get the system down into single
user mode. Runlevel S is not really meant to be used
directly, but more for the scripts that are executed when
entering runlevel 1. For more information on this, see the
manpages for shutdown(8) and inittab(5).
Although I guess that using it is harmless.
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Re: OO: rpm libc error
I don't know whether the following is related but it might be: There's a discussion about some glibc changes on a postgresql mailing list where Ulrich Drepper, glibc developer working for redhat, tries to explain why his 2.2.5 release is a completely different version than the Debian 2.2.5. Of course the reason is "that the glibc in RHL7.3 contains a lot of the code from the glibc 2.3 branch". But they still call it 2.2.5. > Hello, > I had the exact same problem. Also, installing glibc didn't help. I'm > kind of a newbie so I might do something wrong, although I did try > making it work in every way I could think of. Another thing is that I > managed to install the "normal" version of OO from their site, it's not > an rpm but it does check to see if you have the correct version of gcc. > Could it happen because the machine used to create the rpm was running > RH 7.3 (mine is 7.2)? Should I install the latest version of gcc (I > think it's 3.1) to make it work (it's not an rpm installation, and looks > pretty complicated)? > Thanks, Jonathan. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eliran > > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:46 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: OO: rpm libc error > > > > > > Hello group, > > I have finally managed to get Open Office. > > I got both debs and rpms + the libstlport4.5.gcc3-4.5.3-5.i386.rpm. > > When tried to install the package (rpm -ivh) I got a dependencies > > message about GCC_3 and stuff, so I inserted my RH7.2 CD and installed > > the appropriate rpms from both installation CD's. > > > > After installing all the required packages I left with one dependency: > > > > error: failed dependencies: > > libc.so.6(GCC_3.0) is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 > > > > I looked for glibc and libc (or libcap in the cd's) but these versions > > were already installed, and gcc3 was installed too. > > > > Before a minute I downloaded glibc-2.2.5-34.i386.rpm which suppose > > to come with RH7.3 (from rpmfind.net) and in the html information > > file I saw it *provides*: libc.so.6 > > > > When trying to install this glibc I see it needs glibc-common > > which is 10 M ! (not enough bandwidth for it) > > > > Is it really important for me to download these ? > > > > In OO installation HTML file (downloaded from IGLU too) it > > says that it > > successfully compiled on RH7.1 , did other rpms required > > installation too ? > > > > Regards, > > Eliran > > -- > > http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran > > > > I replaced the headlights on my car with strobe lights. Now it looks > > like I'm the only one moving. > > -- Stephen Wright > > > > On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 06:37:06PM +0300, Eliran wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran > > > > > > The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and > > > wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United > > > States, as well as its interpretation by every major > > commentator and > > > court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates > > > that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen > > > to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. > > > -- Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution > > of the Committee On > > > The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th > > Congress, second session > > > (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5 > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran > > > > A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject. > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
For those of you who are undecided on whether to attend a screening of the "Revolution OS" film, I suggest viewing these video clips of the movie. It might peak your interest. http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_multimedia/0,4470,2419320,00.html Cheers --- David Bergman The moral behind the movie 'The Matrix' is even if you are the almighty 'One' you still have to answer the telephone. --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a suugestion
Hello list, A lot of poeple do have problems with linmodem, and builing them. Is it possible to build a vanill-rpm kernel, and some of us will mantain kernel modules for some linmodems? I could do the last thing. The kernel must be unpatched because the external modules have problems with patched kernels. (most of the problems come from that, and the fact that they are not distributed in binary form). - diego -- Q: What do you get when you cross the Godfather with an attorney? A: An offer you can't understand. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
Any what make you think that after you have an amuta you would get anyone
to do anything?
I really don't understand,
You want to originize something go ahead
what's stoping you?lack of money?amuta won't have much more
lack of support?still amuta won't change anything
you have the same people and signing some papers won't change the attitude
of people..
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Amir Tal wrote:
> On Monday 27 May 2002 20:36, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > > > Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about
> > > > Linux ("Revoloution OS") we discussed the other day?
> > >
> > > Wheee! excellent idea! a chance to meet in person, discuss cool stuff
> > > and watch a documentary on penguins and penguin afficiandos.
> > >
> > > I volunteer to speak about anything at all, as long as it can be
> > > expressed in a programming language of your choice, if no one who's a
> > > less boring speakerwants to.
> > >
> > > Let's set a date and get the ball rolling.
> >
> > Hmm, so it's a meeting between Linux people.. nice...
> >
> > If I remember correctly, Sun at Herzelia Pituach had a nice place for
> > meetings, although I'm not sure at that. I do think that IBM Israel have
> > something like that, and Aduva had (when I was working there) a nice
> > meetings room - any one from those companies can check if his company can
> > contribute their place for a day meeting?
> >
> > And speaking of meeting - please read my next email which will arrive to
> > you in 5 minutes.
>
> excuse me for barging in like that, but its been a while since i saw an idea
> comes to the world, and then gets "murdered" 2 minuets later.
> was i stupid enough to think that one of the main causes of linux users
> (worldwide, and specially in Israel) is to promote linux and help transfer MS
> users to Linux ? does the fact that we love linux help it get anywhere ?
> personally, i think that Hetz's basic idea about a "commercial" Yom iyoon is
> better, and will serve linux better then just another "get together" of some
> already linux users.
>
> lets try to take this cause one more step forward, and arrange something that
> non-linux users can benefit from, and maybe join in.
>
> tal.
>
>
>
> >
> > Hetz
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Re: Elections
money is an excuse for non creative people why not to do things Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2002, Orna Agmon wrote: > > > > > Currently, I am proud to be a linux user, and a Haifux member. I do > > "missionary" work on every occasion, like I am sure most of you do. But if > > being an Israeli Linux user (=amuta member) would mean that I am a part of > > an official "shnor" organization, then this is something I would be > > ashamed of. > > > > That depends. I see nothing wrong in getting the goverenment to pay for > something that eventually will save expences for Israel as a whole and > maybe even for the country's budget. > > I realaize that getting money from the goverenment is not an easy task. > However, the blessing of the goverentment (even without the money) is > useful. > > That is: I do not expect the goverenment to finance IGLUs meetings and > such. But sponsering develpoment (and maybe maintinance) of software is > certainly nothing to be ashamed of. > > (Not that I yet have high hopes here, but...) > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Did you see the misrad lechot asviva inviting green peace people for making laws or originzing something? for having election you need someone people know and respect since most people here doesn't know each other I hardly see that happening.. you need someone who is established in the doing of linux.. btw what with the promote linux stuff? help support discuss linux in israel but since when did we became RMS clones? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 27 May 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > Second, I don't understand where you got the idea that the goverment is > > planning on giving the whole jackpot to a newly founded amuta of people > > that "linuxam omanutam". According to that article, the committee (linux-il > > is NOT that committee) is going to give money to programming-groups in > > commercial companies and universities working on making Hebrew free > > software. > > And why do u think the Amuta should get the money? it could be possible that > the goverment ask the Amuta about companyor companies who speciallize for > XYZ projects and the Amuta should connect the goverment with the company (or > companies). It could also be possible that those companies will need to give > a status report every month about the development status of the project to > the Amuta, which will report back to the goverment. > > > I suppose that a company like IBM, which has provably done good work in > > this area, is going to get a substantial chunk of the money to persuade it > > to continue its work. Someonein one of the universities might get a grant > > to sit for 6 months to create a super-duper Hebrew Linux distribution. But > > I don't see why the government would ever want to pass substantial amounts > > of money to linux-il, amuta or not. > > Read the part I answered above. > > Hetz > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
[snip] > for having election you need someone people know and respect > since most people here doesn't know each other I hardly see that > happening.. You're right. > you need someone who is established in the doing of linux.. ok > btw what with the promote linux stuff? > help support discuss linux in israel but since when did we became RMS > clones? Promoting Linux to show there is an alternative to MS. I had already been lucky enough to get some email from Moshe Zadka regarding the fucking GNU / GNU/Linux thing - I don't stand this shit and I won't tolerate it. Everyone and their own way - if I'm showing Linux, I'll never insist on this shitty "GNU/Linux" thing - people knows Linux and I can't stand this RMS crap way. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a suugestion
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 17:03, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > Hello list, > > A lot of poeple do have problems with linmodem, and builing them. Building them? you mean installing them? > Is it possible to build a vanill-rpm kernel, and some of us will mantain > kernel modules for some linmodems? I could do the last thing. The kernel > must be unpatched because the external modules have problems with patched > kernels. (most of the problems come from that, and the fact that they are > not distributed in binary form). Why? For example - the Connexant HCF and HSF winmodem got a very nice trick - instead of re-installing the Linux RPM of their driver - you just need to re-run /sbin/hsf-config Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
problem solved, apparently nvidias drivers dont like patched kernels ... (preemptive and emu10k). To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Promoting Linux to show there is an alternative to MS. I had already been > lucky enough to get some email from Moshe Zadka regarding the fucking GNU / > GNU/Linux thing - I don't stand this shit and I won't tolerate it. Everyone > and their own way - if I'm showing Linux, And when are you doing that? Do you really let people admire the neat way the kernel boots up? > I'll never insist on this shitty > "GNU/Linux" thing - people knows Linux and I can't stand this RMS crap way. I'm sure that would be wrong, if I could only parse that sentence. As it stands, it is completely meaningless. If you think giving credit where credit is due is "crap", then you must have a warped value system indeed. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:27, Barak Kaufman wrote: > problem solved, apparently nvidias drivers dont like patched kernels ... > (preemptive and emu10k). Mind telling me how solved? I happend to have nvidia, and emu10k1 cvs driver... more info - the better... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
changing name of modules directory
Hi, I just compiled a kernel for the first time, and although there are some glitches (probably didn't configure well enough, gotta do it again ;-)), I am planning to compile a few more which I want to test side by side. Problem is that when custom configuring the kernel, the modules directory becomes /lib/modules/custom, which is fine for a single custom kernel, but no good if I want 3 or 4 of them with separate modules dirs. How do I force another naming scheme? Also, anybody built the 2.4.19-pre8 from Alan Cox? Is it stable enough? I need some of the new functionality there. Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
well i posted a question earlier on debian-il about nvidia driver problem with my kernel (so the reply went to the worng list by mistake :) then i saw a posting about the linmodem drivers that dont like patched kernel, so what i did was rebuild my kernel from scratch ( without the patches) and the driver worked fine. since the nvidia driver is more important to me than the 2 patches i used ... i guess its the sitation i will have to live with. > Mind telling me how solved? I happend to have nvidia, and emu10k1 cvs > driver... > > more info - the better... > > Hetz -- Barak Kaufman Customer Support Manager Oz-Tech Information Systems To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:57, Barak Kaufman wrote: > well i posted a question earlier on debian-il about nvidia driver problem > with my kernel (so the reply went to the worng list by mistake :) > then i saw a posting about the linmodem drivers that dont like patched > kernel, so what i did was rebuild my kernel from scratch ( without the > patches) and the driver worked fine. since the nvidia driver is more > important to me than the 2 patches i used ... i guess its the sitation i > will have to live with. Yeah, I understand that.. BUT what did you do with emu10k1? did you compiled whats with the 2.4.18 kernel and didn't add any patches? I tried compile 2.4.18, 2.4.19pre3-ac2 and few others - the nvidia kernel stuff still crashed, but I cannot find the way to reproduce the crash - it happends randomly (and the oops doesn't give enough info whats happend).. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3com usb webcam - which driver?
Hi, A while back I asked about the driver for a 3com homeconnect USB webcam I own. Yesterday I did my first kernel compile and found a driver buried among the usb stuff. (driver for the 3com homeconnect webcam). I didn't manage to get usb working on my custom kernel yet (must have messed up), but am happy to have found it. Anybody know why it is not part of the stock distributions' modules? Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pretty printing source code
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 11:56:12PM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > I'm looking for a way to pretty print some source code into a post > script file. Possible options: > [snip] > > Anything else? trueprint. It has some nice features like making an index of the functions in the code and such. -- Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Wed, May 29, 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote about "Re: Elections": >.. > > lucky enough to get some email from Moshe Zadka regarding the fucking GNU / > > GNU/Linux thing - I don't stand this shit and I won't tolerate it. Everyone >.. > > And when are you doing that? Do you really let people admire the neat > way the kernel boots up? It appears that both of you guys are real fanatics about this issue - neither of you is going to change the other one's opinion... I think the "truth" lies (as it many times does) somewhere in the middle. Stallman is correct in his observation that the name "Linux" gives credit to a single person (Linus) while his share in what you might call a "Linux System" is relatively small (but not marginal). Stallman is right that even without the emergence of Linux (the kernel), we might have been doing almost exactly the same thing we're doing now on Linux with a different kernel, for example BSD or (when the cows come home) Hurd. Recently, I've even seen people label "Linux" any Unix-like system, including some commercial Unix. How the tides have turned... But I think Stallman is wrong in demanding that the system be called GNU/Linux. The GNU project is one of the most important ones to donate packages to any "Linux" distribution, but the fact of the matter is that aside from the compilation tools (gcc, binutils, glibc, etc.) GNU's stuff is becoming more and more optional as we speak, and other projects (Xfree86, KDE, Mozilla, etc.) are becoming more and more important. A person might use a "Linux" machine rarely using GNU utilities: he might be mostly using KDE graphical tools to browse directories, files, and so on, and when he does need a shell he might be logged in through openssh (non-GNU), using Zsh (non-GNU), editing with Vim (non-GNU), programming in Perl (non-GNU), compressing with bzip2 (non-GNU), etc. You get the picture. I'm not claiming the GNU project is not important - it is *very* important, and even more so in historic perspective. But just as it is not fair to call a system "Linux", it also isn't fair to call it "GNU/Linux", as if only these two people (Linus Torvalds and Richard M. Stallman) are responsible for a majority of the system. What about the XFree86 people? The KDE people? The Mozilla people? The hundreds of other people writing utilities included in common "Linux" distributions? In fact, if historical significance is important, why not "commemorate" in the system's name the fact that it was the AT&T and UCBerkeley people who invented Unix, and most of what GNU and Linux currently are, is actually a "clone" of those ideas? I believe that an entire system should get a completely new name, without the "baggage" of the names of some of its contributers. An example name is "Redhat". A meaningless name that has come to specify a certain combination of a Linux kernel, GNU tools, and hundreds of other non-GNU tools. "Debian" is another name - it is associated with a different combination of such tools. Both of these are neither the "true" Linux, the true GNU/Linux, or nothing. They are Linux-based, GNU-based, X11-based, etc., systems - this is what object-oriented programmers would call "multiple inheritance". By the way, here is a cynical reply I wrote (in personal correspondence) about why I consider the name GNU/Linux just as problematic as the name Linux: "Why is GNU/Linux problematic? Because a much as GNU did, many other groups did other important things too. Bell Labs invented Unix which is the idea behind all of GNU. So we should Call it BellLabs/UNIX/GNU/Linux? MIT's X group and XFree86 did the very big part of the system, X Windows, that most modern users rely on. So now it should be BellLabs/UNIX/MIT/XFree86/GNU/Linux? KDE is another very big project which many people think "Linux" would be worthless without. Mozilla is a major broswer. IBM did the Hebrew port. So now it should be BellLabs/UNIX/MIT/XFree86/KDE/Mozilla/IBM/GNU/Linux? It is beginning to sound like "Chad Gadya". The only legitimate reason to call it GNU/Linux is because most projects in Linux distributions use the "GNU" GPL. But I don't think that an organization should get credit for something just for making the license, just like I don't think in any organization the lawyers get credit for progress the actual managers and workers do." -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, May 29 2002, 19 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy http://nadav.harel.org.il |every minute of it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
then we are obviously talking about different thngs :) can u give me a link to the project page for it ? what i was talking about was specifically a patch :) if u want i can mail u the patch to take a look at it. On Thursday 30 May 2002 01:23, you wrote: > On Wednesday 29 May 2002 19:16, Barak Kaufman wrote: > > i compiled a clean 2.4.18 kernel it has emu10k1 support built in i > > thought maybe the cvs driver would give better performance. i didnt > > notice any change in the sb performance :) but i did feel a big change > > once i switched to the nvidia drivers > > btw just to be sure we are talking about the same thing i am talking > > about a patch for the emu10k1. > > maybe if there was a way to compile it as an external module the problem > > of co existence could be solved. > > i want to try to use the linmodem driver and will see how it goes along > > with the nvidia drivers (2 external modules) > > Huh?? > > Barak, the driver from emu10k1 cvs doesn't patch the kernel at all - it > compiles outside the tree independently, no matter what kernel u use... > > Hetz -- Barak Kaufman Customer Support Manager Oz-Tech Information Systems To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 19:29, Barak Kaufman wrote: > then we are obviously talking about different thngs :) > can u give me a link to the project page for it ? > what i was talking about was specifically a patch :) if u want i can mail u > the patch to take a look at it. http://sourceforge.net/projects/emu10k1/ They just released few days ago a new driver for sound blaster live and Audigy, as well as EMU-APS based cards.. No patching is needed with this driver. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel module troubles
had no idea .. i'll check it out and let u know how it went. > > then we are obviously talking about different thngs :) > > can u give me a link to the project page for it ? > > what i was talking about was specifically a patch :) if u want i can mail > > u the patch to take a look at it. > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/emu10k1/ > > They just released few days ago a new driver for sound blaster live and > Audigy, as well as EMU-APS based cards.. > > No patching is needed with this driver. > > Hetz > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
{recomendation,card} ISA SVGA of high quality.
I currently have a Trident TVGA8900C with 1M memory and a Cirrus Logic 5428.Can anyone recommend a high quality _ISA_ SVGA video card? By high quality I mean anything that is better then what I currently have. An online pointer to the spec or as full name as possible so that I can google myself is desirable. Should be supported by at least Xfree86 4.2.0. If someone is willing to sell such a high quality adapter please drop me a line. Is there much point in looking for such a card? I mean, weren't high quality video adapters produced solely for PCI by that time? -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {recomendation,card} ISA SVGA of high quality.
Don't have URL's, but Diamond, ATI and Hercules are pretty good candidates (don't remember model names - it was a long time ago) Hetz On Wednesday 29 May 2002 20:26, Shaul Karl wrote: > I currently have a Trident TVGA8900C with 1M memory and a Cirrus > Logic 5428.Can anyone recommend a high quality _ISA_ SVGA video > card? By high quality I mean anything that is better then what I > currently have. An online pointer to the spec or as full name as > possible so that I can google myself is desirable. > Should be supported by at least Xfree86 4.2.0. > > If someone is willing to sell such a high quality adapter please drop > me a line. > > Is there much point in looking for such a card? I mean, weren't high > quality video adapters produced solely for PCI by that time? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
> But I think Stallman is wrong in demanding that the system be called GNU/Linux. > The GNU project is one of the most important ones to donate packages toany > "Linux" distribution, but the fact of the matter is that aside from the > compilation tools (gcc, binutils, glibc, etc.) GNU's stuff is becoming more > and more optional as we speak, and other projects (Xfree86, KDE, Mozilla, You completely miss RMS' point. Did you ever read his explanation (http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html), or only what his oponents claim his reason is? (or the slashdot version). This has nothing to do with specific programs, but has to do with the system. Unlike Linus, who decided to write a kernel, Knuth, who wrote a typesetting system, etc. the gnu project was about creating a free _system_. They had no problem using free software they did not write, and they wrote whatever pieces were missing. When any linux distributor started to create a distribution (RH, Yggdrassil, SLS, etc.) they did not start from Linux kernel and started adding programs - they started with gnu system + Linux kernel and added programs. > etc.) are becoming more and more important. A person might use a "Linux" > machine rarely using GNU utilities: he might be mostly using KDE graphical > tools to browse directories, files, and so on, and when he does need a > shell he might be logged in through openssh (non-GNU), using Zsh (non-GNU), > editing with Vim (non-GNU), programming in Perl (non-GNU), compressing with > bzip2 (non-GNU), etc. You get the picture. Of course I get the picture. If we ignore gcc, glibc, binutils, fileutils, bash, shellutils, texutils, gnome, autoconf, emacs, gdb, ghostscript, less, groff, then we see that we don't use any software written by gnu) -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing name of modules directory
> Hi, > > I just compiled a kernel for the first time, and although there are some > glitches (probably didn't configure well enough, gotta do it again ;-)), I am > planning to compile a few more which I want to test side by side. Problem is > that when custom configuring the kernel, the modules directory becomes > /lib/modules/custom, which is fine for a single custom kernel, > but no good if I want 3 or 4 of them with separate modules dirs. > > How do I force another naming scheme? > > Also, anybody built the 2.4.19-pre8 from Alan Cox? Is it stable enough? I need > some of the new functionality there. > > Arie Folger > -- > It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man > who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as > he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. >-- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics > I have not built 2.4.19-pre8 from Alan Cox. As for the differentiating the same kernel, maybe some LDP kernel related HOWTO will be of some help? Debian's make-kpkg can do it quite simply, although I don't know exactly how. I mention this because I am giving below a somewhat long paragraph from make-kpkg man page which contains hints for what is really done. --append_to_version foo This argument ( foo ) is appended to the value of the EXTRAVERSION variable present in the kernel Makefile. Since EXTRAVERSION is a component of the kernel version, it is also added to the Debian package name, and, as such must obey the policy governing the package name. That means it may con- tain only lowercase alphanumerics and the charac- ters - + . (full stop, hyphen, and plus). Uppercase letters are not permitted under the Policy for a new package. This over rides the environment vari- ble APPEND_TO_VERSION Please note that you must run a make-kpkg clean after configuring the kernel using make (x|menu)?config, since that creates the file include/linux/version.h withoutthe append_to_version data (foo). This file won't be updated by the make-kpkg run (make-kpkg creates version.h if it doesn't exist, but doesn't touch if exists), so the final kernel will _not_ have the append_to_version data in its version number it shall look for the modules and symbols in all the wrong places. The simpliest solution is either to remove include/linux/version.h after configuring and before compiling, or running make-kpkg clean after configuring, before compiling. Note also that once you use --append_to_version foo for con- figuring, or building the kernel-image, you need to also use the same option in any later invocation of make-kpkg (say, for building stand alone modules, or something). make-kpkg does not remember the argument foo in between invocations (this is dif- ferent from the behaviour of --revision, which we do remember in between invocations). If you are annoyed by make-kpkg whining aboutusing --append_to_version and there already being a file from before, you can set the environment variable VERSION_H_OK which shall shut off the warning. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Wed, May 29, 2002, Matan Ziv-Av wrote about "Re: Elections": > You completely miss RMS' point. Did you ever read his explanation > (http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html), or only what his oponents > claim his reason is? (or the slashdot version). I read him, and understand him completely. It doesn't mean I always agree with him. > This has nothing to do with specific programs, but has to do with the > system. Unlike Linus, who decided to write a kernel, Knuth, who wrote a > typesetting system, etc. the gnu project was about creating a free > _system_. They had no problem using free software they did not write, > and they wrote whatever pieces were missing. This line of reasoning is bogus; If I announce "Nadavix" and announce that "I have no problems using free software I did not write", would it make me justified in demanding that other people call their systems Nadavix too? Of course not, it is the software that I *did* write, and its weight in the resulting system, that might give me such a justification. I should be calling the system I'm working on now (Redhat 7.3, by the way) "GNU" only if GNU is indeed the major part of this system. What the people who disagree with Stallman in this issue, and I partially agree with them, are saying is that GNU is not that much more important than other components of this system (e.g., X11), at least not enough to give them the right to demand the system be named after them. If it was some sort of tradition (like the name "Linux" is), it would have been different, but it is *not* tradition to say "GNU/Linux", and it is quite silly to start one now. Unlike other people who wrote in this thread, I'm not *against* calling the system GNU/Linux (apart from such a name being long and ugly), if that was the common tradition. But you have to face reality - it isn't. The name Linux has stuck so hard in people's minds, that I hear (as I said earlier) people calling "Linux" to commercial Unix, and even people asking me if I have "Linux 7.3" (when they obviously mean Redhat 7.3). > When any linux distributor started to create a distribution (RH, > Yggdrassil, SLS, etc.) they did not start from Linux kernel and started > adding programs - they started with gnu system + Linux kernel and added > programs. Personally, I switched to Linux (from AT&T System 5 release 4) when it got X11, something which wasn't working at that time on my SVR4 operating system. So maybe X11, not GNU, should get the credit for the success of "Linux"? Again, I'm not claiming that GNU are not important - perhaps they are even the single most important part of the Redhat system I'm working on now. But they are not the only important part and therefore don't get (in my opinion) priority in their demands that "GNU" is stuck as part of this system's name. This is a practical issue, don't forget it: the name of the system has to be kept short, and is NOT the place for a list of acknowledgments. > > etc.) are becoming more and more important. A person might use a "Linux" > > machine rarely using GNU utilities: he might be mostly using KDE graphical > > tools to browse directories, files, and so on, and when he does need a > > shell he might be logged in through openssh (non-GNU), using Zsh (non-GNU), > > editing with Vim (non-GNU), programming in Perl (non-GNU), compressing with > > bzip2 (non-GNU), etc. You get the picture. > > Of course I get the picture. If we ignore gcc, glibc, binutils, fileutils, > bash, shellutils, texutils, gnome, autoconf, emacs, gdb, ghostscript, > less, groff, then we see that we don't use any software written by gnu) Look, I agreed that gcc, glibc and binutils are very important GNU projects that don't have any real substitutes now. Ok. But don't tell me that things like fileutils, shellutils, textutils, are what lets you name a system - for all I care Redhat could switch to the BSD versions of these utilities instead of the GNU ones (like it chose to include slocate instead of GNU's original locate). Some people (not me) would even say "let's drop all these completely and use only KDE GUIs". Bash, Emacs, Less, Groff, Gnome - these are all things that are nice, useful and important, but that have non-GNU alternatives, some even better alternatives. The Redhat system I am using has these alternatives preinstalled, and I could be (and in fact am) using these alternatives more than the GNU tools. So again I don't see how exactly this explains why GNU gets the first-rights to name the system. P.S. Imagine Microsoft insisted that every software solution based on Microsoft Windows will be called Microsoft/Gizmo. Obviously, they don't. When you let other people use your software you keep certain rights, but one right you certainly don't keep is the right to make demands on how your integrators name their final product. If anything, Microsoft would insist that that you do NOT call your gizmo Microsoft/Gizmo, because that would dilute their trademark, cause people to bla
Re: changing name of modules directory
On Wed, May 29, 2002, Shaul Karl wrote about "Re: changing name of modules directory": > > I just compiled a kernel for the first time, and although there are some > > glitches (probably didn't configure well enough, gotta do it again ;-)), I am > > planning to compile a few more which I want to test side by side. Problem is Are you planning to test several copies of the same kernel side-by-side? Why, may I ask? (assuming you're not a kernel hacker if you said "I just compiled a kernel for the first time"). For most people, compiling the kernel with all the features they're interested in turned on (or as modules) is enough and you don't need to keep around several copies of kernels with the same version. > > that when custom configuring the kernel, the modules directory becomes > > /lib/modules/custom, which is fine for a single custom kernel, > > but no good if I want 3 or 4 of them with separate modules dirs. > > > > How do I force another naming scheme? Take a look at the main Makefile for the kernel. It starts with something like VERSION = 2 PATCHLEVEL = 4 SUBLEVEL = 18 EXTRAVERSION = -3custom This EXTRAVERSION is the variable you'd want to change before running make. You should probably do "make clean" after changing this and before running "make" again. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, May 30 2002, 19 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |New! Divorcee Barbie! Comes with all the http://nadav.harel.org.il |usual accessories, plus all of Ken's stuff = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing name of modules directory
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 02:49:41PM -0400, Arie Folger wrote: > Hi, > > I just compiled a kernel for the first time, and although there are some Congratulations! Doesn't it just feel good? > glitches (probably didn't configure well enough, gotta do it again ;-)), I am > planning to compile a few more which I want to test side by side. Problem is > that when custom configuring the kernel, the modules directory becomes > /lib/modules/custom, which is fine for a single custom kernel, > but no good if I want 3 or 4 of them with separate modules dirs. Take a look at the EXTRAVERSION field at the top of the to level kernel Makefile. Changing the field will cause a change to the subdirectory where the modules will be installed. You might also be able to do 'make modules_install', the step which actually copies the module to the destination directory, with an extra parameter (env variable) which tells make where to install the modules instead of the default. Read the modules_install target in the Makefile for potential enlightenment. > Also, anybody built the 2.4.19-pre8 from Alan Cox? Is it stable enough? I need > some of the new functionality there. 2.4.19-pre8 is from Marcel Toasti (sp), the 2.4 maintainer. I've been running it since it came out, more than three weeks ago, and it's rock stable so far. 2.4.19-pre9 came out today (or last night), if you really want to live on the stable, yet bleeding, edge. -- Monday 8 Forelithe 7466 http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
YOM IYOON: call for participants
(as i've got a few yes-es already, i'm moving to the 2nd part of helping to set up a yom iyoon for linux enthusiasts). based on gilad's plan of twisting hetz's original idea, we are planning to have a 'linux day' on some friday morning, 1-2 month from now (that is, sometime in july, most likely). The current plan include: 1. renting the small cinemateque hall (in Tel-Aviv) for about 3 hours on a friday morning. 2. having a public showing of the 'Revolution OS' movie (for those who didn't hear yet - its a documentary movie that tries to gather (via interviews) the story of the free software/open source "movement"). the movie is 85 minutes long. 3. carrying between 2-3 _technical_ lectures about various aspects of linux. currently, gilad suggested to give a lecture about using linux for embedded systems. we'll see what other lectures to present as things materialize - we promise to make them technical. this event has costs coming with it, and we intend to pay it from our own pockets. due to that, anyone that wishes to come would pay 50 NIS as their share of helping pay for the hall (2000-2500NIS) and the movie screening rights (~400$). if due to some miracle, there'll be enough people to cover all costs, the ammount of money per person will be reduced - but i don't expect to have so many people (over 80) there anyway. before we go and make the actual ordering of the movie, the hall and lectures preparation, we want to make sure there is enough demand. Thus, i would like everyone that rely intends to come to the event, to send me email (in private, to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) with your name (full name, so i'll be able to sort the list properly), and write that you want to come _with_ your 50 NIS bill (cash, we have no means to handle credit cards - we just collect the money on behalf of everyone, to pay for the expenses). when we get enough people on this list (20 people being the minimum), we'll make the formal preparations and ordering required. i hope we'll reach that number (or surpass it) in 1-2 weeks. if there are any questions which were _not_ refered to in this email, please write directly to me. if a question would seem to be of public interest, i'll write about it to the list. feel free to forward this letter to people who are not subscribed to linux-il (or haifux) - every 50 NIS bill is allowed to bring with it one human companion ;) (and don't get smart - its 50 NIS per person, not per two). ok. enough talking. waiting for your letters to pile up now ;) -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON: call for participants
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 22:36, guy keren wrote: > (as i've got a few yes-es already, i'm moving to the 2nd part of > helping to set up a yom iyoon for linux enthusiasts). > > based on gilad's plan of twisting hetz's original idea, we are planning to > have a 'linux day' on some friday morning, 1-2 month from now (that is, > sometime in july, most likely). > > The current plan include: > Come on Guy, you forgot the first rule: we're Israelies, there's going to be few lectures, and a movie... And food? no event can be done without some food arrangements ;) I'm not purposing a full resturant dinner (or lunch) but maybe a tables with some snacks/sandwitches and some soft drinks, so it might be something like: A. Movie B. 15-20 breaks -> food, smoke, etc.. C. Lectures How's that? Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing name of modules directory
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 17:29, Nadav Har'El wrote: > Are you planning to test several copies of the same kernel side-by-side? > Why, may I ask? (assuming you're not a kernel hacker if you said "I just > compiled a kernel for the first time"). Because I am still clumsy and will mess up a few times. I figure that before I delete a custom kernel I want one that works better, so that I can see the results of my mistakes. > For most people, compiling the kernel with all the features they're > interested in turned on (or as modules) is enough and you don't need to > keep around several copies of kernels with the same version. But I am trying to support three pieces of hardware that is not supported in the stock kernel: my webcam (see running thread on my 3com homeconnect webcam), my palm 515 (acc. to ColdSync-hackers mailing list is only supported by 2.4.19, which is why I asked about Alan Cox's pre8 kernel) and ACPI. Current support for apm/lack of support for acpi conflicts with my ACPI laptop (more so in 2.4.18 than in 2.4.9 which worked fine) and my beloved laptop often freezes for no apparent reason. (only happens while running X). I also seem not to be the only list member suffering of such troubles. Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing name of modules directory
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:43, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 02:49:41PM -0400, Arie Folger wrote: > > I just compiled a kernel for the first time, and although there are some > Congratulations! Doesn't it just feel good? Well, yes, but I can do better. In the first kernel, a USB device locks up the computer, in the second kernel, everything works except the screen. I ran a diff on the two config files to see what must be set to make it work. Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON: call for participants
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 04:53, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> Come on Guy, you forgot the first rule: we're Israelies, there's going to be
> few lectures, and a movie...
> And food? no event can be done without some food arrangements ;)
I agree, we're a nation that most of it's meaningfull events (religous
and national) can be summed up in:
The tried to kill us,
They failed.
Le'ts eat...
:-)
> I'm not purposing a full resturant dinner (or lunch) but maybe a tables with
> some snacks/sandwitches and some soft drinks, so it might be something like:
> A. Movie
Check.
> B. 15-20 breaks -> food, smoke, etc..
Check. The Cinematec comes equipped with a reasonable cafetria and is
within salivating distance from several good resturants fit for various
budgets, tastes and popular Paganisms of the list: Kosher ("no milk and
meat in the same meal 'cause G*d said so!"), veggies ("MUST KILL THE
PLANTS! MUST KILL THE PLANTS!"), Stallmanism "GNU/Bar - where the speech
is free but the beer isn't") and Discordanism ("No hot dog buns"). This
covers the food section rather well, me thinks.
As for the smokes, well "Smoke'm if you got'em", but please not near me
- I've succeffully rid myself from that psychotic habbit that was
implmented in my mind by the drug lords^H^H^H^H^Htobbacco companies just
a few precious weeks ago.
> C. Lectures
Check.
> How's that?
Having said all that, we are a functioning Anarchy as of yet, so if you
showed up with a big trailer packed with food I'll gladly help you eat
it and pay for what I eat ;-)
Gilad.
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Re: changing name of modules directory
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 05:28, Arie Folger wrote: > On Wednesday 29 May 2002 17:29, Nadav Har'El wrote: > > Are you planning to test several copies of the same kernel side-by-side? > > Why, may I ask? (assuming you're not a kernel hacker if you said "I just > > compiled a kernel for the first time"). > Because I am still clumsy and will mess up a few times. I figure that before I > delete a custom kernel I want one that works better, so that I can see the > results of my mistakes. Well, I do not consider myself a kernel hacker either but I have written several kernel modules and modifcations (alas most of them propritery to my great shame :-( and I not only still keep a copy of the original kernel on every machine which kernel I crook, I also usually boot with 'lilo -R' for the first time ;-) Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://benyossef.com "Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
