Re: Women and Linux

[Oleg]

> a) You didn't get the smiley or the clue: it's "can't he see more
>in me than a Barbie doll" (or equivalent) turned inside out.

You see Orna as Barbie doll inside out ???

Man, your sick :-)))

Oleg.

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Re: Women and Linux

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:28:30AM +0200, Oleg wrote:
> > a) You didn't get the smiley or the clue: it's "can't he see more
> >in me than a Barbie doll" (or equivalent) turned inside out.
> 
> You see Orna as Barbie doll inside out ???
> 
> Man, your sick :-)))

This thread has gone past amusing and into annoying, soon to cross
into killfile land. Please refrain from further posting on this
subject, unless it is Linux related. 

In other words, don't piss me off. 
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Re: Weman and Linux

[frodo]

OG>> Hmm... Not just lightbulbs...
OG>>
OG>> http://internet.ls-la.net/pictures/How-Blondes-print-with-WinWord.html

Note that this is perfectly Unix way of doing things - using standard
input and output to couple things together ;)

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Qtext

[Moshe Kaminsky]

Hi,
When I was a kid, I used a word processor called Qtext on my dos
machine. It was a freeware written by an Israeli guy, and had a better
(by far) bidi support than any alternative I knew.

Yesterday, I discovered that I work with the guy who wrote it in the
same room. He told me that Qtext still exists, it is no longer a
freeware (it belongs to his kibutz) and that it still has the best bidi
support (they have only a window$ version). He also told me that the
developement of Qtext has stopped, since people seem to prefer M$ word
(apparently for the same obscure reasons they prefer other M$ 
software :). Anyway, he told me that they might be willing to sell the
source. Since they ceased developing it, I guess the price won't be very
high, and if it is possible to port it to linux, this might be the best
bidi word processor we have (it also supports Arabic and nikud).

My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?

Moshe

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Re: Qtext

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> 
> My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?

Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)

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Re: Qtext

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Hi Moshe,
The source code was probably not written in a way that can be ported - 
e.g. the display aspect is probably not isolated by a portability layer 
but probably uses direct calles to MFC, OWL or some other proprietary 
widget library that does not lend itself to portability. This would make 
the source code worthless.
Regards,

 - yba


On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:

> Hi,
> When I was a kid, I used a word processor called Qtext on my dos
> machine. It was a freeware written by an Israeli guy, and had a better
> (by far) bidi support than any alternative I knew.
> 
> Yesterday, I discovered that I work with the guy who wrote it in the
> same room. He told me that Qtext still exists, it is no longer a
> freeware (it belongs to his kibutz) and that it still has the best bidi
> support (they have only a window$ version). He also told me that the
> developement of Qtext has stopped, since people seem to prefer M$ word
> (apparently for the same obscure reasons they prefer other M$ 
> software :). Anyway, he told me that they might be willing to sell the
> source. Since they ceased developing it, I guess the price won't be very
> high, and if it is possible to port it to linux, this might be the best
> bidi word processor we have (it also supports Arabic and nikud).
> 
> My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> 
> Moshe
> 
> --
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RE: Qtext

[Dvir Volk]

do you think trhat porting QText to Linux is really feasible and worth the effort?

i agree that the bidi support there was excellent, and i used to work with qtext for 
years, but qt's bidi support has become pretty mature, and i'm not sure if it's worth 
the effort of porting MFC or whatever windows code to linux, or if that won't mean 
rewriting the whole thing from scratch, practically.

btw, the name, at least, is already linux-ready: it QText sounds perfect for a QT app 
:)

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> -Original Message-
> From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:36 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Qtext
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> > 
> > My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> 
> Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we 
> can have a
> 'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> 
> Gilad.
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Re: Qtext

[Moshe Kaminsky]

Hi,

At least up till some stage, this was a dos thing, so probably at least
*that* can be ported. Even the latest version is a 16-bit application
(though it does run on the newer windows versions) - I don't know
exactly what this means, but I guess this might mean that the windows
specific components are quite mild. The guy who wrote this has never
worked on linux (or unix), but I'll ask him what he thinks.

I'm sure that there will be some work in porting it, but I think this
can be done, and I think it's a lesser problem than getting the sources.

* Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:38]:
> Hi Moshe,
> The source code was probably not written in a way that can be ported - 
> e.g. the display aspect is probably not isolated by a portability layer 
> but probably uses direct calles to MFC, OWL or some other proprietary 
> widget library that does not lend itself to portability. This would make 
> the source code worthless.
> Regards,
> 
>  - yba
> 
> 
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > When I was a kid, I used a word processor called Qtext on my dos
> > machine. It was a freeware written by an Israeli guy, and had a better
> > (by far) bidi support than any alternative I knew.
> > 
> > Yesterday, I discovered that I work with the guy who wrote it in the
> > same room. He told me that Qtext still exists, it is no longer a
> > freeware (it belongs to his kibutz) and that it still has the best bidi
> > support (they have only a window$ version). He also told me that the
> > developement of Qtext has stopped, since people seem to prefer M$ word
> > (apparently for the same obscure reasons they prefer other M$ 
> > software :). Anyway, he told me that they might be willing to sell the
> > source. Since they ceased developing it, I guess the price won't be very
> > high, and if it is possible to port it to linux, this might be the best
> > bidi word processor we have (it also supports Arabic and nikud).
> > 
> > My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> > 
> > Moshe
> > 
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Re: Qtext

[Moshe Kaminsky]

* Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
> On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> > 
> > My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> 
> Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
> 'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)

Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's a
matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).

Moshe

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Encoding problem in Konqueror

[Boris Gorelik]

Well, this is a STRANGE problem:
I use Konqueror 3.0.3-0.7 to surf the net. While everything goes well, there 
are some pages (like http://www.md.huji.ac.il/, 
http://pref.etfos.hr/garlic/competition/index.html) that I see in Greek 
letters. The vast majority of the pages are fine. Changing the encoding from 
Auto to anything else gives nothing. I have all the fonts in browser 
appearance window set to Helvetica [Adobe].
Any idea on what might be the reason for this behavior?
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Re: Qtext

[Moshe Kaminsky]

Hi,

About feasible, I don't really know, since I didn't see the code. I will
ask (maybe someone else in the development team there _is_ familiar with
linux).

As for worth the effort, I find hebrew support in the existing
processors quite unsatisfactory. In fact, last time I checked (KDE 3.0.2
and koffice about two months ago, and openoffice with some hebrew
patch), it was even worse than M$ word, which is a nightmare by itself.
Perhaps I missed something or maybe things have drastically improved
since then, but otherwise I believe QText would be a big improvement. I
agree it isn't worth rewriting the whole thing, but maybe it can be
ported with some minor changes.

Moshe

PS is it just me, or does everyone get all the recent mails twice?

* Dvir Volk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:56]:
> do you think trhat porting QText to Linux is really feasible and worth the effort?
> 
> i agree that the bidi support there was excellent, and i used to work with qtext for 
>years, but qt's bidi support has become pretty mature, and i'm not sure if it's worth 
>the effort of porting MFC or whatever windows code to linux, or if that won't mean 
>rewriting the whole thing from scratch, practically.
> 
> btw, the name, at least, is already linux-ready: it QText sounds perfect for a QT 
>app :)
> 
> Dvir Volk
> Editor in Chief
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:36 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Qtext
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> > > 
> > > My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> > 
> > Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we 
> > can have a
> > 'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> > 
> > Gilad.
> > -- 
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Re: Qtext

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:

> * Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> > > 
> > > My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> > 
> > Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
> > 'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> 
> Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's a
> matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
> might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).
> 
> Moshe

You better do a code review with someone who understands porting issues 
before you even think about prices.

 - yba


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Re: Qtext

[Shachar Shemesh]

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If you like, and if you think this is ok, I think I can reresent both 
the body who may eventually shell out the money, and understand how much 
it is WORTH for the community.

Before we start, however, is there anyone here who will vulenteer to do 
the actual porting work? If noone steps forward right now, there is no 
point in shelling out the money.

~Shachar


Moshe Kaminsky wrote:

|* Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
|
|>On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
|>
|>>My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
|>
|>Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
|>'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
|
|
|Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's a
|matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
|might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).
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|Moshe
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Re: Qtext

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

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>  
> If you like, and if you think this is ok, I think I can reresent both 
> the body who may eventually shell out the money, and understand how much 
> it is WORTH for the community.
> 
> Before we start, however, is there anyone here who will vulenteer to do 
> the actual porting work? If noone steps forward right now, there is no 
> point in shelling out the money.
> 
> ~Shachar

That might depend on how much work the porting would take. Easier to get 
volunteers for an easy port, hard to get volunteers for a messy port.

 - yba


> 
> 
> Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> 
> |* Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
> |
> |>On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> |>
> |>>My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> |>
> |>Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
> |>'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> |
> |
> |Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's a
> |matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
> |might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).
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> |Moshe
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Re: Qtext

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:59:15AM +0300, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> * Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> > > 
> > > My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> > 
> > Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
> > 'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> 
> Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's a
> matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
> might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).

Does anyone still buy it? Does the Kibbutz still makes money of it?
If not, isn't there a chance they will agree to give it away?
The latest version seems to be from 1998. I believe they sold very
few licenses since, say, 2000. People rarely buy 4 years old software,
even without getting addicted to microsoft.

About portability: The demo (you can (could?) download from www.qtext.com)
works quite well with recent versions of wine. This might (or might not,
I am not an expert) mean porting to libwine might be much easier, even
though less portable (e.g. to other Unices), than to QT.
I personally think that an existing program, that took, I guess, tens
of man-years to develop, and will take maybe a few man-months to port,
is worth having. I do not think anyone should start _now_ a new project,
given openoffice, koffice and abiword already exist. But QText already
exists, and I know some people that really liked some features of it
(not me personally - I almost never use any wordprocessor, and prefer
lyx when I have to).

Another thing it might be useful for is people that still have qtext
files. I know (from experience) that some files are very hard to
move to word (or text, html, anything), especially using a lot of
nikud.

Last thing: a google search for "HTML Page - Created by QText" (with
the quotes) has 3320 results. This means it was still used recently
(also after the export to html feature was added).

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Re: Qtext

[Moshe Kaminsky]

Hi,

Of course, this is an important question. I just thought that the first
question is whether we have any chance of getting the source. Since you
say that someone might possibly fund it, I'll try to dig some more
details from the guy when I meet him (on Thursday), both about the price
and the feasibility of porting.

I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is
written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal.

For myself, I can say that if porting will turn out to be feasible, I'll
be willing to take some part in it. My involvment will be limited,
however, by the fact that I have no knowledge of any of the involved
issues (I have some vague recollection of Pascal - another thing I did
as a kid :), and also since the time I can spend on it is limited.

Moshe

PS You are most welcome to forward this to whoever you think appropriate.

* Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 12:19]:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> If you like, and if you think this is ok, I think I can reresent both 
> the body who may eventually shell out the money, and understand how much 
> it is WORTH for the community.
> 
> Before we start, however, is there anyone here who will vulenteer to do 
> the actual porting work? If noone steps forward right now, there is no 
> point in shelling out the money.
> 
> ~Shachar
> 
> 
> Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> 
> |* Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
> |
> |>On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> |>
> |>>My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> |>
> |>Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have a
> |>'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> |
> |
> |Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's a
> |matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
> |might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).
> |
> |Moshe
> |
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Re: Qtext

[Dan Kenigsberg]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:50:07PM +0300, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
 
> I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is
> written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal.

In this case I guess porting is quite a big project.
Unless you use Borland's lovely Kylix (Delphi's spin into Linux), which probably
will speed things ai lot.
However - this tool is *not free*. 

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Re: Qtext

[Uri Bruck]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Of course, this is an important question. I just thought that the first
> question is whether we have any chance of getting the source. Since you
> say that someone might possibly fund it, I'll try to dig some more
> details from the guy when I meet him (on Thursday), both about the price
> and the feasibility of porting.
> 
> I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is
> written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal.

As far as I can recall, Delphi was very similar in concept to visual C++ 
except that it was based on Pascal instead of C. Sort of MFC-like

Does the Windows version have its own Hebrew support or does it use 
Windows Hebrew support?

> 
> For myself, I can say that if porting will turn out to be feasible, I'll
> be willing to take some part in it. My involvment will be limited,
> however, by the fact that I have no knowledge of any of the involved
> issues (I have some vague recollection of Pascal - another thing I did
> as a kid :), and also since the time I can spend on it is limited.
> 
> Moshe
> 
> PS You are most welcome to forward this to whoever you think appropriate.

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Re: Qtext

[Oleg]

OK, if you say that this thing is Delphi like I suspected, then I'll do the
porting to Kylix.

Bring it on :)

Oleg.

- Original Message -
From: "Moshe Kaminsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Shachar Shemesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Gilad Ben-Yossef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Qtext


> Hi,
>
> Of course, this is an important question. I just thought that the first
> question is whether we have any chance of getting the source. Since you
> say that someone might possibly fund it, I'll try to dig some more
> details from the guy when I meet him (on Thursday), both about the price
> and the feasibility of porting.
>
> I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is
> written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal.
>
> For myself, I can say that if porting will turn out to be feasible, I'll
> be willing to take some part in it. My involvment will be limited,
> however, by the fact that I have no knowledge of any of the involved
> issues (I have some vague recollection of Pascal - another thing I did
> as a kid :), and also since the time I can spend on it is limited.
>
> Moshe
>
> PS You are most welcome to forward this to whoever you think appropriate.
>
> * Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 12:19]:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > If you like, and if you think this is ok, I think I can reresent both
> > the body who may eventually shell out the money, and understand how much
> > it is WORTH for the community.
> >
> > Before we start, however, is there anyone here who will vulenteer to do
> > the actual porting work? If noone steps forward right now, there is no
> > point in shelling out the money.
> >
> > ~Shachar
> >
> >
> > Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> >
> > |* Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020924 11:40]:
> > |
> > |>On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 11:19, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> > |>
> > |>>My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> > |>
> > |>Get us a number and we'll see how reasonable it is. Maybe we can have
a
> > |>'Free Qtext!' funraiser or something... :-)
> > |
> > |
> > |Well, when I asked him, he said `we can talk'. Basically, I think it's
a
> > |matter of negotiation, and to negotiate we need someone who at least
> > |might *possibly* buy the sources (definitely not me...).
> > |
> > |Moshe
> > |
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> > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Qtext

[Oleg]

Kylix Open Edition is free.

Check Borland site.

Oleg.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Qtext


> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:50:07PM +0300, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
>
> > I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is
> > written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal.
>
> In this case I guess porting is quite a big project.
> Unless you use Borland's lovely Kylix (Delphi's spin into Linux), which
probably
> will speed things ai lot.
> However - this tool is *not free*.
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Re: Qtext

[Oleg]

> Does the Windows version have its own Hebrew support or does it use
> Windows Hebrew support?

Delphi starting from 5 has it's own bidi algorithms. It does rely on Windows
hebrew but with a little tweaking it can do without.

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Re: Qtext

[David Tabachnikov]

Moshe Kaminsky wrote:

>Hi,
>
>At least up till some stage, this was a dos thing, so probably at least
>*that* can be ported. Even the latest version is a 16-bit application
>(though it does run on the newer windows versions) - I don't know
>exactly what this means, but I guess this might mean that the windows
>specific components are quite mild. The guy who wrote this has never
>worked on linux (or unix), but I'll ask him what he thinks.
>
>I'm sure that there will be some work in porting it, but I think this
>can be done, and I think it's a lesser problem than getting the sources.
>  
>
As far as I can remember, QText for dos was written in Pascal, and the 
Windows version was written with Delphi. This should make it rather easy 
to port by using Kylix, since I don't think they used too many non-Kylix 
wrapped API calls in there, and even if they did use a few, it shouldn't 
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Re: Qtext

[Shachar Shemesh]

Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:

>About portability: The demo (you can (could?) download from www.qtext.com)
>works quite well with recent versions of wine. This might (or might not,
>I am not an expert) mean porting to libwine might be much easier, even
>though less portable (e.g. to other Unices), than to QT.
>
If this thing is Delphy, libwine is out of the question unless you can 
recompile Delphy itself.

As for it working with Wine - does the BiDi also work? If so, it more or 
less automatically means that there is no reliance on Windows BiDi.

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Re: Qtext

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 14:08, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> As for it working with Wine - does the BiDi also work? If so, it more or 
> less automatically means that there is no reliance on Windows BiDi.

Qtext does not rely on Widnosw idi support - Qtext works in Hebrew even
on non Bidi versions of Windows 95.

Gilad.
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Re: Qtext

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Oleg wrote:

> > Does the Windows version have its own Hebrew support or does it use
> > Windows Hebrew support?
>
> Delphi starting from 5 has it's own bidi algorithms. It does rely on Windows
> hebrew but with a little tweaking it can do without.

QText uses its own bidi implementation. It should work also on non-bidi
windows (wine...). Bidi support in delphi/kylix may be something to work
around.

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Re: Women and Linux

[dorit]

Guy

My thoughts exactly.

Thank you very much  !

Dorit

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Re: Qtext

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:

>
> About portability: The demo (you can (could?) download from www.qtext.com)
> works quite well with recent versions of wine.

Not here. qtext has problems with fonts. I kept getting error messages
about problems accessing (or "opening", I'm not sure) font files, and I
could not see any Hebrew in the document (IIRC I could also not get any
Hebrew in the menus)

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Re: InstParty, [Tal is alive]

[Sagi Bashari]

On 9/23/2002 12:12 AM, Tal Achituv wrote:

> Tal Achituv: 2 monitors, 1x4 cpu-switch, ~10 net-cables, 1x6 
> electricity splitter, tables & chairs.
> Roy Arad: ADSL modem+account (will be handy if there will be a line).
> Marc: Debian Mirror, 8 port hub, 4 port switch
> Yotam Rubin: 3 monitors CD-R*2 & media
> Omer Zak: CDs, 8-port hub, 3 net-cables
> Boaz Rymland: 8 port hub
> Sagi Bashari: RedHat ISOs & a server
>  

5 monitors.. is that enough? what about keyboards/mices? a simple 
speakers set will also be useful to test sound.

I'll try to bring my workstation&the mirrors server with a KVM and one 
set of monitor/keyboard/mouse. I also have my 19" but it's too heavy so 
I generally don't like the idea of carrying it with me.

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Re: InstParty, [Tal is alive]

[Amir Tal]

On Tuesday 24 September 2002 15:55, Sagi Bashari wrote:
> On 9/23/2002 12:12 AM, Tal Achituv wrote:
> > Tal Achituv: 2 monitors, 1x4 cpu-switch, ~10 net-cables, 1x6
> > electricity splitter, tables & chairs.
> > Roy Arad: ADSL modem+account (will be handy if there will be a line).
> > Marc: Debian Mirror, 8 port hub, 4 port switch
> > Yotam Rubin: 3 monitors CD-R*2 & media
> > Omer Zak: CDs, 8-port hub, 3 net-cables
> > Boaz Rymland: 8 port hub
> > Sagi Bashari: RedHat ISOs & a server
>
> 5 monitors.. is that enough? what about keyboards/mices? a simple
> speakers set will also be useful to test sound.
>
> I'll try to bring my workstation&the mirrors server with a KVM and one
> set of monitor/keyboard/mouse. I also have my 19" but it's too heavy so
> I generally don't like the idea of carrying it with me.

tal (achituv) :

i think there is to much mess and confusion regarding who's bringing what.
can you somehow publish the inventory list (both equipment and man power) of 
what we have so far ?

tal.


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Re: Women and Linux

[Amir Tal]

On Tuesday 24 September 2002 14:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Guy
>
> My thoughts exactly.
>
> Thank you very much  !
>
> Dorit

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Re: Qtext

[Moshe Kaminsky]

Hi,

I just spoke with the guy on the phone (by the way, his name is Itzhak
Mintz, by the way). He was interested in the whole thing, and asked me 
to resend to him your responses. So unless someone has any objections, 
I'm going to resend him the whole thread.

Moshe

  Moshe Kaminsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [24/09/02 11:27]:
> Hi,
> When I was a kid, I used a word processor called Qtext on my dos
> machine. It was a freeware written by an Israeli guy, and had a better
> (by far) bidi support than any alternative I knew.
> 
> Yesterday, I discovered that I work with the guy who wrote it in the
> same room. He told me that Qtext still exists, it is no longer a
> freeware (it belongs to his kibutz) and that it still has the best bidi
> support (they have only a window$ version). He also told me that the
> developement of Qtext has stopped, since people seem to prefer M$ word
> (apparently for the same obscure reasons they prefer other M$ 
> software :). Anyway, he told me that they might be willing to sell the
> source. Since they ceased developing it, I guess the price won't be very
> high, and if it is possible to port it to linux, this might be the best
> bidi word processor we have (it also supports Arabic and nikud).
> 
> My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
> 
> Moshe
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RFC: Why BitKeeper should be Open-Sourced Now

[Shlomi Fish]

Refer to:

http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/gpling_bk.html

For an article I wrote on the subject. All comments are welcome, including
"I agree" and "you could add this".

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

Note to Orna: I think discussions of BitKeeper which is used to maintain
the Linux Kernel source and runs on Linux are obviously on-topic here.
Sorry. Delete this thread if you wish

Note to Muli: I notified Larry about the "Better CVS" Initiative and he
was completely flame-bait. I'd rather he learned of this document by
proxy.



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phat linux

[Amir Tal]

a thought regarding tommorow's event :

i was thinking that maybe we should also try an additional  installation 
method for new users.
i am guessing that there will be people that will be afraid of data losses 
etc, and after reading an artice about phat-linux, i thought that maybe this 
can be optional.

the article can be found at :
http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/09/23/1917204.shtml?tid=23

basicly, its a distro that runs on top of windows.

did anyone ever try it? 
several "issues" here :

1) runs on windows 9.x , not 2k, not XP.
2) hebrew - supported ? couldnt tell... how hard will it be to implement 
hebrew support there ?

3) it includes some of the most basic and common applications a newcomer will 
look for... a quote from the article :
"Phat comes with the usual programs, including Mozilla, Gnome, a CD player, 
office software, GNU C Compiler, an address book, IRC client and much more. 
It kept me busy for hours just pointing and clicking."

should we suggest it to users as an option ?

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RE: phat linux

[David Howard]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 17:24, Amir Tal wrote:
> a thought regarding tommorow's event :
> 
> i was thinking that maybe we should also try an additional 
installation 
> method for new users.
> i am guessing that there will be people that will be afraid of data
losses

It's now very late for this discussion, but if there are potential new
users who are really worried about data loss, the safest route would be
a distro running from the CD (Suse live-eval, DemoLinux, Knoppix etc.).
Reset BIOS to boot from CD, reboot and - no risk. It'll run slowly, but
it won't compromise existing partitions. But then, any distro running on
top of windows will also run slowly, and is hardly a long-term solution
for a genuine newbie. Of course, this isn't an *install*, and is perhaps
inappropriate for an install party. But it is *safe*.
 
[snip]

> should we suggest it to users as an option ?
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the insta party on nana

[Amir Tal]

dont know if you saw it yet, but its nice to see that we've got some publicity 
;)

http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=40738

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Re: the insta party on nana

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

And this?

http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=item&path=4&id=285491

Boy, it's going to be big. I wish I could come...

Hetz

On Tuesday 24 September 2002 19:09, Amir Tal wrote:
> dont know if you saw it yet, but its nice to see that we've got some
> publicity ;)
>
> http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=40738


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Re: CDRW error

[Diego Iastrubni]

áéåí øàùåï 22 ñôèîáø 2002, 14:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ëúá:
> Vendor_info: 'RICOH   '
> Identifikation : 'CD-R/RW MP7083A '
yada yada yada

you must be kidding me...

[root@localhost internet]# dmesg |grep RICOH
hdd: RICOH CD-R/RW MP7083A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
  Vendor: RICOH Model: CD-R/RW MP7083A   Rev: 1.20

I bought this cd a year ago, and I can tell you that it sucks ass. from day 
one I had this problems (windows 9X, 2000,  linux several kernels need to 
reboot, XP does not recognize it). Apparently the driver itself is locked up 
due to bad engineering, and rescanning the IDE bus will not help since the 
drive is messed up. When in doubt boot when it's a ricoh problem. 

2 days after I bought it, I changed it since it locked up the cdrw and the hd 
which was connected to the same ide bus. 

Lately I started having DMA problems in this cdrw and my cdrom ("IDE/ATAPI 
CD-ROM 52XS, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive"  is it's name) and I fixed them using 
"hdd=nodma" in the kernel parameters. In the 2.4.19 kernel there is an option 
(IDE/ATA/MFR/RLL SUPPORT -> Enable DMA only for disks) for disabling which 
does not help me. 

Here there is a nice link in this subject:
http://www.linux-thinkpad.org/bm/archives/200103/msg00145.html

BTW: Shlomo, I cannot burn with this drive in more the x4 altough I have a 
re-writable media which claims to support it. The drive itself /should/ 
support it. What is your experience?

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Re: CDRW error

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [root@localhost internet]# dmesg |grep RICOH
> hdd: RICOH CD-R/RW MP7083A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
>   Vendor: RICOH Model: CD-R/RW MP7083A   Rev: 1.20

I also have a RICOH CDRW, but a different model, MP7120A, about 18
months old. Works OK, never locked up anything (not that I burn many
CDs).

> BTW: Shlomo, I cannot burn with this drive in more the x4 altough I have a 
> re-writable media which claims to support it. The drive itself /should/ 
> support it. What is your experience?

My experience with the above drive is that at speeds higher than x4 I
get more errors than at x4.

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Re: phat linux

[David Howard]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 19:36, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
[snip]

> As for DemoLinux and other CD-based distros: anybody tried to actually
> work with one? How easy it is to create a decent writable home directory?

Don't know about DemoLinux. Have just now been playing with Knoppix
3.1b. It opens a KDE 3.0 session on console #5, for default user
"knoppix". I opened new folders, created and saved files in the home
directory, and created new users. Sound card was correctly configured,
USB devices recognized, and desktop icons created to access all disk
partitions, (vfat, ext2 and ext3). I could run consoles #2,#3 and #4.
Did not try to configure printer (CUPS is installed by default), nor try
to set up ADSL connection. Otherwise very functional as a demo.

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Re: RFC: Why BitKeeper should be Open-Sourced Now

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:11:44PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:

> http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/gpling_bk.html
> 
> Note to Orna: I think discussions of BitKeeper which is used to maintain
> the Linux Kernel source and runs on Linux are obviously on-topic here.
> Sorry. Delete this thread if you wish

I think you're trolling for ... something and this is not on topic
here, but I no longer care. 

> Note to Muli: I notified Larry about the "Better CVS" Initiative and he
> was completely flame-bait. I'd rather he learned of this document by
> proxy.

Your usage of "flame-bait" is inappropriate there. Do you mean he
flamed you? I would too. 

Go code something, Shlomi. I find this particular endeavor of yours
obnoxious. If you want to fight Larry McVoy and his company, do it
with code, not with begging for money (c.f. advogato posting) or over
generalized diatribes (c.f. this "paper"), or designing cute logos
(c.f. Aegis). Ah, whatever. 
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Re: Qtext

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 02:08:08PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> 
> 
> Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> 
> >About portability: The demo (you can (could?) download from www.qtext.com)
> >works quite well with recent versions of wine. This might (or might not,
> >I am not an expert) mean porting to libwine might be much easier, even
> >though less portable (e.g. to other Unices), than to QT.
> >
> If this thing is Delphy, libwine is out of the question unless you can 
> recompile Delphy itself.
> 
> As for it working with Wine - does the BiDi also work? If so, it more or 
> less automatically means that there is no reliance on Windows BiDi.

I think it works. It does have some problems (I think it has problems with
shift or something), but places hebrew and english correctly inside each
other. This is only a trivial test, with wine version 20011226 (the one
I have installed).

I also think it was deliberate, not using windows bidi, to make it work
on foreign versions of windows.

> 
> Shachar
> 

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Re: CDRW error

[solomon]

On 24-Sep-2002 Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> áéåí øàùåï 22 ñôèîáø 2002, 14:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ëúá:
>> Vendor_info: 'RICOH   '
>> Identifikation : 'CD-R/RW MP7083A '
> yada yada yada
> 
> you must be kidding me...
> 
> [root@localhost internet]# dmesg |grep RICOH
> hdd: RICOH CD-R/RW MP7083A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
>   Vendor: RICOH Model: CD-R/RW MP7083A   Rev: 1.20
> 
> I bought this cd a year ago, and I can tell you that it sucks ass. from day 
> one I had this problems (windows 9X, 2000,  linux several kernels need to 
Actually, mine usually works fine (aside from the problem I described in my
previous post). I never tried it on any version of Windows, for the simple
reason that I don't have Windows on my machine :-)


  
> BTW: Shlomo, I cannot burn with this drive in more the x4 altough I have a 
> re-writable media which claims to support it. The drive itself /should/ 
> support it. What is your experience?
I can burn CDs at 8X, but CDRWs go at only 4X even when I specify 8X - no idea
why. But it never really bothered me since I use CDRWs for backups and speed is
not really an issue.

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Re: the insta party on nana

[Adir Abraham]

Ahem

Who IS responsible on the article in Walla? it says there that "the event,
which occurs every year in the Technion (which is not correct, because it
usually happens every semester), will be THIS TIME in the Renanim mall
in Kfar Saba".
What the heck? The Renanim installation party has nothing to do with the
Haifa one, and ofcourse doesn't come instead of it, and the Haifa one
will occur as every semester (okay, every year since last year).. grr
And if they are already writing something, that mall is in Raanana and not
in Kfar Saba.
I wonder why the almost never check their own "articles".

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

> And this?
>
> http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=item&path=4&id=285491
>
> Boy, it's going to be big. I wish I could come...
>
> Hetz
>
> On Tuesday 24 September 2002 19:09, Amir Tal wrote:
> > dont know if you saw it yet, but its nice to see that we've got some
> > publicity ;)
> >
> > http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=40738
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Re: Women and Linux

[Ma'ayan Eshed]

Guess this disscussion was bound to pop up some time.
I'll try to explain my POV :

Linuxchix want to talk linux, and not be a target. The way I felt when I was
a newbie, with a non-computer-related job, haifux was the only place for me
to hear people talk about computers. I didn't mind too much about being hit
on - but like, that wasn't the POINT, it was an obstacle in the way to the
conversation I was interested at. I just hadn't had any other place with
people I could talk about computers to.


> c) Without knowing the circumstances of Orna's encounter at Haifux, I
>must admit that her comment struck _me_ as a little
>insensitive. This point often escapes the attention of men and
>women alike, but have you considered that if a person shows an
>interest it is already a compliment? And that it would take a bit
>more than vital stats for an intelligent guy to become interested?
>I have a feeling that Orna's problem was not that guy but all the
>rest present who paid no attention to her (as a linux user, which I
>assume is all she wanted).
>
 It's generally not a bad thing to be hit on (to an avarage sane lady), but
the feeling you are a walking talking target is sometimes scary (the mere
feeling can become obnoxious), regardless if it comes from people you like.
The point here is, on linux meetings, there are by far more arrows pointed
at the bull's eye than in, say, a supermarket. More quallity arrows, if I
may speculate, but arrows non-the less.


> Seriously, when a woman, especially an attractive one, walks into any
> gathering with men present, even a geek one, she can, and should,
> expect some attention. Whether that attention is annoying or pleasant
> depends on the details, but it is unreasonable to expect anyone to
> totally shut all the services down (pardon the jargon) just because
> the setting is a technical lecture. On the contrary, if we both are
> there we must have something in common...

True, we should expect that. I personally can mannage the worse of you "with
my firewall tied up behind my userspace", but thats just because I'm worse
than the worse of you, or maybe because I've had an "educating" armi
service. Your everyday delicate geekchick, on the other hand, might shy off
from such a situation. Not saying anyone can do anything about it, just
trying to explain. It's nothing against individual males (not taking to
account explicit  or implicit harrasers) , its the fear of the mob )-:

 we need something _more_ than a breathing Barbie to consider a woman
> attractive.

Why should women give men that credit? Sorry, statistically, men don't
deserve it. But linux meetings are bad. I'll give credit to anyone on
personal basis if he bothers to asks for it.

> Obviously, it goes both ways in our liberated society, but
> the gender asymmetry above is too stereotypical to ignore.
>

It goes to both ways indeed. I'll take this opportunity to appologize to any
linux person I may have accidentally harrased...

> I realize that a clumsy "hit" can be repulsive. In general though,
> dear ladies, if you sense that I seek your company please consider it
> a compliment. I promise I'll do my best not to annoy you in the
> process...

Hehe (-:
As henlin wrote(paraphrasing ) - "manners are the oil on the wheels of an
allready rusty and quirky machine"
If a lady you have aproached politely has chosen to be offended, it's
probably not your fault, but a bad flashback, or just her problem. Then
again, thats only my opinion.

BTW about thia of guy's remarks:
> I don't think that being afraid of being hit on (to the point that another
> girl mentioned her BOYFRIEND in capital letters in a previous post)

I was answering this line :
> This means that when your girlfriends talk about
> spinning you'll think of spinlocks... Ouch!

and the capitalization was just there to correct the 'girlfriend' part (well
maybe also to react on the reactions I ofter net - "what, you use linux? you
must be gay!")

Now I'm gonna leave that thread be (:

good night

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Re: Qtext

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 02:40:01PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> 
> >
> > About portability: The demo (you can (could?) download from www.qtext.com)
> > works quite well with recent versions of wine.
> 
> Not here. qtext has problems with fonts. I kept getting error messages
> about problems accessing (or "opening", I'm not sure) font files, and I
> could not see any Hebrew in the document (IIRC I could also not get any
> Hebrew in the menus)

On which wine version? It used to be so for years, and I still get tons
of messages about fonts, but see this


This is with wine 20011226. All older versions that I tried (every few
months) didn't show hebrew unless I invested *a lot* of effort, I didn't
try newer ones.
I will now try, and post if it doesn't work.

> 
> -- 
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> http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
> 

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Re: the insta party on nana

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 22:25, Adir Abraham wrote:
> Ahem
> 
> Who IS responsible on the article in Walla? it says there that "the event,
> which occurs every year in the Technion (which is not correct, because it
> usually happens every semester), will be THIS TIME in the Renanim mall
> in Kfar Saba".
> What the heck? The Renanim installation party has nothing to do with the
> Haifa one, and ofcourse doesn't come instead of it, and the Haifa one
> will occur as every semester (okay, every year since last year).. grr
> And if they are already writing something, that mall is in Raanana and not
> in Kfar Saba.

Yes, I noticed that stupidity too (and wrote a response to clarify it). 

 UI guess not all reporters are like Ido Kennan (the Nana reporter
which while I may not agree with his opinions on all affairs makes sure
to get the *facts* right)...

> I wonder why the almost never check their own "articles".

Walla seems to me a virtual mall that treats it's 'news' functions kinda
of like one of this in-mall attraction events. I think two factual
errors in such a short article proves the point :-(

 Gilad.

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Re: Women and Linux

[Viki Navratilova]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote:

> and the capitalization was just there to correct the 'girlfriend' part (well
> maybe also to react on the reactions I ofter net - "what, you use linux? you
> must be gay!")

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! hahahaha!!! tee hee hee hee! hohohoho!! hehehehehe!!  HAHAHAHAHA!! heheheheehehehe. okok, I think I can type again.

That is so hilarious that you mention that line: 'what, you're a computer
geek, you must be a lesbian!' because I get that ALL THE TIME. And it
sounds like such a strange thing to say, I thought it was just me, and
maybe everyone was picking up on some lesbian tendencies I didn't know
about. Good to know that linuxchix other than me are being diagnosed with
Unconcious Lesbianism (UL).

While I do admit I've met more out-of-the-closet lesbians in computers
than I have in many other occupations (other than women's rugby), I'm not
sure if this generalization is made because there is a perception of the
few women in computers being statistically inclined to be lesbians, or if
the guys who say this are just sexually frustrated :

Man:  "come code perl open source projects in my bedroom"
Woman:  "I don't date co-workers"
Man:  "well then obviously you must be a lesbian!"

-- (true story, simplified for dramatic effect)


> Now I'm gonna leave that thread be (:

So I can pick it back up! :) (in america our smileys read left to right)

Thanks for posting this, it's quite funny. :)
-- Viki
(who organized monthly linux-il dinners in 1997, but now is sadly too far
away to eat dinner with everybody anymore)


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Re: Women and Linux

[Yotam Rubin]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:42:03PM -0500, Viki Navratilova wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote:
> 

[...]

> > Now I'm gonna leave that thread be (:
> 
> So I can pick it back up! :) (in america our smileys read left to right)

This thread has been extended beyond its natural life span. It does not
contribute anything and promotes certain types of trolling. It would be
greatly appreciated if this thread is eliminated without delay, implied
or otherwise.

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Re: Women and Linux

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 23:42, Viki Navratilova wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote:

> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! hahahaha!!! tee hee hee hee! hohohoho!! hehehehehe!!  for air> HAHAHAHAHA!! heheheheehehehe. okok, I think I can type again.

> -- Viki
> (who organized monthly linux-il dinners in 1997, but now is sadly too far
> away to eat dinner with everybody anymore)


Viiikkk! :-)

Donno if you remember me, but one of these dinners was at my place (the
one where Marc and Ira cooked). Long time no see.

The combo of the topic and your name and the word 'hilarious' reminds me
of something - I vagouly remember a taglines list you wrote or
maintained (I think) of Unix pick up lines. "Your eyes are like inodes"
and some such :-) Any chance you've got that thing laying around
soemwhere? I need a new .sig source...

Thganks,
Gilad.

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Re: Women and Linux

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 23:51, Yotam Rubin wrote:
> 
> This thread has been extended beyond its natural life span. It does not
> contribute anything and promotes certain types of trolling. It would be
> greatly appreciated if this thread is eliminated without delay, implied
> or otherwise.

ObRoboCopReference: you forgot "You have 5 seconds to comply..." :-)

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Re: Women and Linux

[Viki Navratilova]

On 25 Sep 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

> Viiikkk! :-)
>
> Donno if you remember me, but one of these dinners was at my place (the
> one where Marc and Ira cooked). Long time no see.

Gillaad! *hugs* Of course I remember you!
I think your dinner was the one where a person had to go into the bathroom
of the Haifa bus station and move their hand around the walls of the 3rd
stall until it turned into a white pixelated hand with a pointing index
finger, and if you touched the wall in that place you'd be transported
instantly to the dinner.

> The combo of the topic and your name and the word 'hilarious' reminds me
> of something - I vagouly remember a taglines list you wrote or
> maintained (I think) of Unix pick up lines. "Your eyes are like inodes"
> and some such :-) Any chance you've got that thing laying around
> soemwhere? I need a new .sig source...

Yeah, it is still around, and is being stored right here:

http://orion.it.luc.edu/~vnavrat/oldpage/unix-lines.html

Use in good health, and with protection!

-- Viki


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Re: Encoding problem in Konqueror

[Arie Folger]

On Tuesday 24 September 2002 05:07, Boris Gorelik wrote:
> Well, this is a STRANGE problem:
> I use Konqueror 3.0.3-0.7 to surf the net. While everything goes well,
> there are some pages (like http://www.md.huji.ac.il/,
> http://pref.etfos.hr/garlic/competition/index.html) that I see in Greek
> letters. The vast majority of the pages are fine. Changing the encoding
> from Auto to anything else gives nothing. I have all the fonts in browser
> appearance window set to Helvetica [Adobe].
> Any idea on what might be the reason for this behavior?

Neither page shows any problems here. However, the second link should 
definitely be fine, as it contains no Hebrew characters. Are you sure that 
shows anything in Greek?
There is a bug in Konqueror that results in the behaviour you describe (but 
since I couldn't reproduce it, you may be dealing with another issue); when 
there are two meta tags for the charset, the first of which is commented out; 
konqueror will interpret the commented out tag instead of the second one. See 
http://bugs.kde.org/db/47/47528.html for my previously aknowledged bug report 
on this matter.

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Re: Women and Linux

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Viki Navratilova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Viki! I had half a mind to ask if anyone has heard from you when the
number of ladies on linux-il was discussed, but I didn't. So you are
following the developments... 

Oleg, who met you at the first (I think) linux-il dinner you organized
and whom you don't remember as a matter of course (no, I didn't "hit"
on you - SMILEY!!!)


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Re: Qtext

[Oded Arbel]

Uri Bruck wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is
>>written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal.
>>
>>
>
>As far as I can recall, Delphi was very similar in concept to visual C++ 
>except that it was based on Pascal instead of C. Sort of MFC-like
>
Not. unlike Visual C++, Delphi was really visual programming. you can 
compare it to Visual Basic (the product which it was developed to 
fight), except that VB suck and Delphi doesn't. the Borland Visual C++ 
killer is C++ Builder.

>Does the Windows version have its own Hebrew support or does it use 
>Windows Hebrew support?
>
QText uses direct GDI calls for everything - it even draws its own 
fonts. that way you can have hebrew (and other languages- the last 
version I worked with supported over 30 languages) even on english only 
windows. I think that porting that would be easier, as the number of API 
calls used will be relativly small.

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Help with a Bourne Shell Script

[Shlomi Fish]

Check:

http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/fetchweb

My problem is that proc_args does not return the new command line.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish



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