RE: dvd player*s* show twice same half screen

2002-11-09 Thread Martin Polley
I have Hebrew working OK in Gentoo except for printing (which I couldn't
do in RH 7.3 either).

The only things you have to do is to correctly specify the keymap to be
used in XF86Config, emerge the Hebrew versions of KDE and KOffice, and
enable the relevant options in KDE.

BTW, I also only have dial-up (33.6Kbps). I also have lots of patience
;)

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-Original Message-
From: Arie Folger [mailto:afolger@;ymail.yu.edu] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:25 PM
To: Oleg Kobets
Cc: Linux-IL mailing list
Subject: Re: dvd player*s* show twice same half screen


On Friday 08 November 2002 11:05, you wrote (off list):
> hmm, i never tried rh8, i never use .0 products (too buggy). do you 
> really have to use RedHat ? Use Gentoo, mplayer works beautiful.

Flamer ;-).

Seriously, though, I'd love to try Gentoo, but I am no longer on a T1,
just 
dial up (hope I find a new job soon enough), and I am waiting to hear
from 
list members that Hebrew support is on par, as well as learning more (on
or 
off list) about their q&a.

In the mean time, I replaced the libdvdread and libdvdcss packages for
RH8.0 
with those built for RH7.3 and which I know work (you all remember an
earlier 
post how, when installing a minimal RH7.3 system, I managed to play dvds
very 
nicely, without any glitches. BTW, a minimal linux system that includes
xmms 
and xine runs about 350 megs, not too bad), and nothing changed, which
means 
that they are not the culprit.

So I assume that the problem is caused by RH 8.0 X packages, although I
don't 
know which ones. The possible culprits, IMO are:
XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.2.0-72 XFree86-libs-4.2.0-72
XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.2.0-72 XFree86-4.2.0-72

What do you think?

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Re: dvd player*s* show twice same half screen

2002-11-09 Thread Arie Folger
On Friday 08 November 2002 18:51, guy keren wrote:
> mplayer has an option that specifies how it will send images (the '-vo'
> option). you can run it and tell it to use something other then 'xv', and
> see if the problem goes away.

I tried that at first. BTW, mplayer is the only one that had a useable option: 
"X11 (XImage/Shm)". However, mplayer reported that the codec is incompatible 
with the output device; don't understand that, never mind.

Arie

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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Sagi Bashari


On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 09:20:01PM +0200, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote:
 

On Saturday 09 November 2002 18:39, Shaul Karl wrote:
   

On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
 

Hi all,

   

Guys, when we were in Ra'ananim, I brought 25 packs of cheap CDs from a 
sponsor. No one wanted to pay entire sheqel for a poor CD.

   

What are you talking about?

I can't remember anyone selling preburned CD sets, and we only had one 
working burne. Empty media wasn't the problem (if is what you are 
referring to), we had plenty, but no way to burn them.

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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 09:20:01PM +0200, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote:
> On Saturday 09 November 2002 18:39, Shaul Karl wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> 
> Guys, when we were in Ra'ananim, I brought 25 packs of cheap CDs from a 
> sponsor. No one wanted to pay entire sheqel for a poor CD.
> 


One reason might be that we say the Linux is free and immediately asking
money for it. No wonder that every beginners FAQ explain how come it is
legal to ask money for Linux CDs.
The lesson might be that it should be emphasized how come Linux is free 
and yet people get charged for Linux CDs.

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Re: InstaParty at TAU?

2002-11-09 Thread Ariel Biener
On 9 Nov 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:

> The CC could not have been much behind in adopting Linux.

I joined the CC in 1995. Lets wait for Yaron to read the thread, he has
been there long before that.

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Re: InstaParty at TAU?

2002-11-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Ariel Biener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> We've been doing Linux since  I can't remember but at least the 7.5
> years I've been there (Yaron is better suited to answer that).

Just a bit of history: The Astrophysics Department at TAU started
using Linux in 1994, IIRC. I remember the astonishment of looking at a
PC whose screen looks just like a Sun workstation we were used to. I
was using Exceed X emulator on a PC and worked on a Sun remotely at
the time. 

The CC could not have been much behind in adopting Linux.

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Re: InstaParty at TAU?

2002-11-09 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, voguemaster wrote:

> Do they do Linux or just SGI and Win/Netware ?

We do Linux (PC and sparc and we are playing with a dual Itanium too),
Solaris (PC and Sparc), SGI/IRIX, IBM PPC/AIX, Digital-Compaq/Digital
Unix, PC/FreeBSD (hi Yaron :), Win2k, VMS, and also IBM Maiframe/MVS.

We've been doing Linux since  I can't remember but at least the 7.5
years I've been there (Yaron is better suited to answer that).

> In any case, I thought about investing time in helping an instaparty
> if I can, I just donno who to talk to about this.

Just come over to the CC and look for Ariel Biener (ask at the helpdesk,
they are on the ground floor). If you want my personal details, you'd
better e-mail me off the list.

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Re: InstaParty at TAU?

2002-11-09 Thread voguemaster
Hi,

By CC you mean Computational Center ?

Do they do Linux or just SGI and Win/Netware ?

In any case, I thought about investing time in helping an instaparty
if I can, I just donno who to talk to about this.

Eli

09/11/02 16:24:33, Ariel Biener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, voguemaster wrote:
>
>
> It is also a great and better idea to coordinate InstaParty at TAU with
>the TAU/CC, for much improved facilities and possiblities (network and
>otherwise).
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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I started to write, mainly for myself, some notes about the instaparty
> we had on Thursday.
> Basically, I think the whole notion should be very different from
> today, and that the usuall installers (well, at least RH) are too
> general to be close-to-optimal for our (tau's) audience (and probably
> also most of the potential Israeli audience).
> 
> I will use these notes mostly to prepare for our next instaparty,
> but I think many of the issues are also relevant to other instaparties.
> 
> You can find the (on-going-version of the) notes here:
> 
> 
> I will be happy to get comments.
> 
>   Didi
> 


At first let me say that giving every new instalee a CD set is desired.
Now once you are going this way you will probably installed from this
set because it might be easier for you.

If I has managed to grasped what was going in the BIU party I took part
several years ago, they contacted a commercial CD manufacture who was 
selling a CD set for 25 NIS for students who asked for it. Then the
students took their new set to the install person who installed Linux on
their machine. I believe a student could get without buying a set but
most students did buy it. I don't know what sort of arrangement did the
BIU had with that manufacture but there was no CD problem and although
the man was left with CD sets I believe he did smile. 

On the other hand, it seems that the last 3 installation parties
(Ra'ananin, Technion and TAU) had a CD problem of some degree. There
fore it is probably a fact of life that you can not always have what
is desirable. This is why the network option should be considered. 

For the rest of this message my Debian glasses will probably be more
noticeable as this is the only distribution I am familiar with. I guess
that many other popular distributions have the same tools. Am I wrong?

1. I don't know about PQmagic but I believe parted should be the 
   software of choice when it comes to partitions matters.
2. Install from net: the way to go if possible. As for how to do it,
   following Debian's old way the problem should be divided into booting
   into Linux and carrying on from there. As for booting into Linux, 
   preparing the equivalent of the boot floppy by yourself is not
   something you want to get into, or so I believe. There fore, the only
   way if the net option is essential seems to me using the official set
   and loadlin it. Since I don't have any experience with that, not even
   with Debian, I can't say more. Now once you were booted into the 
   installation software, you might prepare a repository of the packages
   you want to install and install it, just like apt-get does. I am not
   sure it worth the trouble in order not to use the official ones but
   it is doable. You can NFS mount your repository, or prepare a 
   dedicated http server for it. I guess you would include a boot loader
   as one of the packages - I didn't understand your `how to boot 
   question'.
   I also didn't understand your suggestion about having your own ide
   disk. Are you suggesting to open the case, plug another disk and
   install from there?
3. As for knoppix, the only few things I have heard about it are that it
   is based on Debian and have a very good automated hardware detection
   facilties. These facilities sounds great for an installation party.
   However isn't being basically a Debian distribution doesn't mean
   lagging behind as far as KDE+GNOME desk top environments are 
   concerned?
   The 
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Re: compile problem

2002-11-09 Thread solomon
On 08-Nov-2002 Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> Run the command "grep "EXTRAVERSION =" /usr/src/linux/Makefile"
> It will tell you sources to what version you really have. I'm pretty
> sure you'll discover you don't have the sources for the right version.
> 
[root@shlomo1 root]# grep "EXTRAVERSION =" /usr/src/linux/Makefile
EXTRAVERSION = -34.1mdk

Thanks. Although that wasn't the problem, I thought people might be interested
in what my mistake really was. I didn't notice a stray copy of the compiled
module (compiled before updating my src directory) so, in fact, make was
trying to link the old version rather than compiling and linking a new one. 


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Re: InstaParty at TAU?

2002-11-09 Thread Ariel Biener
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, voguemaster wrote:


 It is also a great and better idea to coordinate InstaParty at TAU with
the TAU/CC, for much improved facilities and possiblities (network and
otherwise).

--Ariel
> Although I was present for a brief period of time (about 40 minutes)
> I saw that there was responsiveness by people in general.
> I think InstaParties at TAU is an excellent idea.
>
> Eli
>
> 07/11/02 16:04:33, Alexander Maryanovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >>Currently installations only. We might respond to a demand for lectures,
> >>in case there is such a demand.
> >
> >On the fly, or at some later date? Because I don't need anything installed,
> >but would love to hear lectures :-)
> >
> >
> >Alexander Maryanovsky.
> >
> >At 15:39 07.11.2002 +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 12:51:03PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I saw a note on the "luach modaot" in the Schreiber building this morning
> >> > about an InstaParty at 18:00 today at TAU...
> >> > Did I miss something? When was this announced? Was this announced? Will
> >>
> >>I announced it on linux-il on Nov 3.
> >>
> >> > there be only installations or lectures too?
> >>
> >>Currently installations only. We might respond to a demand for lectures,
> >>in case there is such a demand.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Alexander Maryanovsky.
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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Oleg Kobets
Well, after seeing that Guides.co.il already provides nearly everything
there is and it's cheap too (10 nis / per cd) I decided that doing such a
thing by myself would not be very practical.
Still, if there is people that want's Linux, it can be arranged by sending
me e-mail :-)


- Original Message -
From: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Oleg Kobets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Sagi Bashari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Linux-IL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?


> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 01:23:14PM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote:
> > Maybe we can sell a pre-burned set's of cd's per order. I am willing to
host
> > and organize such a thing if people here will show their support on the
> > matter. I have the means and a little time and money can be contributed
to
> > further promote Linux and sponsor parties and other Linux related
> > activities.
> >
> > What do you think ?
> >
>
>
> Are you referring to both installation parties and to provide such a
> service on a regular basis?
>
> In the case of installation parties I believe there is a need for at
> least a few 10s of CDs. As someone else has pointed out, it is not
> realistic to produce them with a home CD writer. I believe this is true
> even if there is more then one CD writer. Which means that they have to
> be produced by an industrial process. However I believe one has to order
> a couple of 100s CDs for this to be cheap enough.
>
> BTW: I remember 2 posts lately looking for CDs. Were the CDs that were
> looked for actually supplied? If so was that cheaper then guides.co.il?
> Are there cheaper suppliers of Linux CDs then guides.co.il? I believe
> Yotam is willing to supply Debian CDs for the cost of the media and
> shipment or something like that on a regular basis. Are there other
> people like him?
> Personally I don't have a CD writer.
>
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sagi Bashari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation
party?
> >
> >
> > > On 08/11/2002 23:21, Shaul Karl wrote:
> > >
> > > >Yet I do believe that currently it will be best if every new
installee
> > > >will be given a CD set.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > In the party we had in Renanim many more people wanted a CD set for
> > > themselves than actually wanted us to install it. We didn't have any
> > > pre-burned CDs and only one functional burner, so only few actually
got
> > it.
> > >
> > > Maybe in the future we should sell CD sets (maybe ask someone who
> > > already does it, like guides.co.il like someone already offered),
> > > because giving away large quantities will be hard (actual burning
time).
> > >
> > > Sagi
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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hi all,

I started to write, mainly for myself, some notes about the instaparty
we had on Thursday.
Basically, I think the whole notion should be very different from
today, and that the usuall installers (well, at least RH) are too
general to be close-to-optimal for our (tau's) audience (and probably
also most of the potential Israeli audience).

I will use these notes mostly to prepare for our next instaparty,
but I think many of the issues are also relevant to other instaparties.

You can find the (on-going-version of the) notes here:


I will be happy to get comments.

Didi

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 11:21:03PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> Just an idea how to somewhat reduce the number of CDs required for an
> installation party:
> 
> Essential requirement: the installed PC should have a network card.
> Having a network card might be more common then it used to be with the
> spreading of fast Internet connectivity and having some boards with on
> board Ethernet interfaces.
> 
> I guess you already figured out the rest:
> 
> 1. In addition to preparing a suitable partition the owners of the PC
>to be installed will create the boot floppy set from a site that
>will be pointed out to them. They will run these floppies according
>to instructions that will be given to them. Besides get them to be
>able to run part of the installation by themselves this can reveal
>in advance hardware that is likely to be problematic.
> 2. The organizers of the installation party will deploy a LAN. 
>Hopefully this reduces mainly to a HUB and some long network cables.
> 3. Installation will be through the LAN.
> 
> Beside the question of whether it is not better to produce more CDs then
> to go through this procedure I wonder if this procedure will not make
> the installation longer.
> 
> Yet I do believe that currently it will be best if every new installee
> will be given a CD set.
> 
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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 01:23:14PM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote:
> Maybe we can sell a pre-burned set's of cd's per order. I am willing to host
> and organize such a thing if people here will show their support on the
> matter. I have the means and a little time and money can be contributed to
> further promote Linux and sponsor parties and other Linux related
> activities.
> 
> What do you think ?
> 


Are you referring to both installation parties and to provide such a
service on a regular basis?

In the case of installation parties I believe there is a need for at
least a few 10s of CDs. As someone else has pointed out, it is not
realistic to produce them with a home CD writer. I believe this is true
even if there is more then one CD writer. Which means that they have to
be produced by an industrial process. However I believe one has to order
a couple of 100s CDs for this to be cheap enough.

BTW: I remember 2 posts lately looking for CDs. Were the CDs that were
looked for actually supplied? If so was that cheaper then guides.co.il?
Are there cheaper suppliers of Linux CDs then guides.co.il? I believe 
Yotam is willing to supply Debian CDs for the cost of the media and
shipment or something like that on a regular basis. Are there other 
people like him?
Personally I don't have a CD writer.


> - Original Message -
> From: "Sagi Bashari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?
> 
> 
> > On 08/11/2002 23:21, Shaul Karl wrote:
> >
> > >Yet I do believe that currently it will be best if every new installee
> > >will be given a CD set.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > In the party we had in Renanim many more people wanted a CD set for
> > themselves than actually wanted us to install it. We didn't have any
> > pre-burned CDs and only one functional burner, so only few actually got
> it.
> >
> > Maybe in the future we should sell CD sets (maybe ask someone who
> > already does it, like guides.co.il like someone already offered),
> > because giving away large quantities will be hard (actual burning time).
> >
> > Sagi
> >
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Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?

2002-11-09 Thread Oleg Kobets
Maybe we can sell a pre-burned set's of cd's per order. I am willing to host
and organize such a thing if people here will show their support on the
matter. I have the means and a little time and money can be contributed to
further promote Linux and sponsor parties and other Linux related
activities.

What do you think ?

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From: "Sagi Bashari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Reducing the number of CDs required for an installation party?


> On 08/11/2002 23:21, Shaul Karl wrote:
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> >Yet I do believe that currently it will be best if every new installee
> >will be given a CD set.
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> In the party we had in Renanim many more people wanted a CD set for
> themselves than actually wanted us to install it. We didn't have any
> pre-burned CDs and only one functional burner, so only few actually got
it.
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> Maybe in the future we should sell CD sets (maybe ask someone who
> already does it, like guides.co.il like someone already offered),
> because giving away large quantities will be hard (actual burning time).
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> Sagi
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