Re: netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 12:49:11AM +0200, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote:
> > A beta, which works quite well for me (and solves the decades-long
> > crash with remote $DISPLAY), is already downloadable from their site.
> 
> URL? I see there only 5.0r51 version to download..

Search for 'linux beta' in their home page and you'll find


> 
> Thanks,
> Hetz

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Re: Smoothwall and other Linux FWs & ADSL (Revisited)

[Eli Marmor]

Meir Kriheli wrote:

> I've used smoothwall, till I found about the fully GPLed fork of it named
> IPCop (ipcop.sf.net). This one worked great for me and for some of my clients
> and supports pptp out of the box.
> 
> PS
> 
> The fork started 'cause smoothwall's lead developer is a real ass. He was
> physically attacked some time ago ( as rude as he was, I don't think he
> deserved that).
> 
> I couldn't believe the treatment he gave to users of the GPL edition in the
> mailing lists, it was very rude. IPCop developers are more pleasent and
> helpfull. I suggest giving it a try (their wiki at sf.net seems problematic
> for now, hope it gets fixed soon).

IPCop is still based on kernel 2.2, so it doesn't support iptables,
contrary to the distros I mentioned (LEAF, WOLVERINE and DEVIL-LINUX).

If you want to check it nevertheless, and don't have patience to wait
till their wiki is up, try the following link:

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:CDW_96LQBo4C:ipcop.org/&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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Re: Smoothwall and other Linux FWs & ADSL (Revisited)

[Meir Kriheli]

On Sunday 01 December 2002 21:33, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 22:56, Viper Solo wrote:
> > Could anyone who has any experience in running out-of-the-box
> > firewall distros (and SmoothWall in particular) with Israeli ADSL
> > lines and modems available locally (especially models offered
> > nowadays, e.g. Alcatel's SpeedTouch Home/Pro/USB, Dynalink/Rotal ALE-
> > 070, etc) share it with the rest? Problems encountered? Drivers,
> > config, incompatibilities ( pptp )?
>
> I've installed Smoothwall GPL 2.0 Beta and it does not support pptp or
> pppoe, thus making the it unusable with the NIC connected brands of ADSL
> (and some cables) modems and setups used in Israel.



> Just my 2c,
> Gilad.

I've used smoothwall, till I found about the fully GPLed fork of it named 
IPCop (ipcop.sf.net). This one worked great for me and for some of my clients 
and supports pptp out of the box.

PS

The fork started 'cause smoothwall's lead developer is a real ass. He was  
physically attacked some time ago ( as rude as he was, I don't think he 
deserved that).

I couldn't believe the treatment he gave to users of the GPL edition in the 
mailing lists, it was very rude. IPCop developers are more pleasent and 
helpfull. I suggest giving it a try (their wiki at sf.net seems problematic 
for now, hope it gets fixed soon).
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Re: netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Hetz Ben-Hamo]

> A beta, which works quite well for me (and solves the decades-long
> crash with remote $DISPLAY), is already downloadable from their site.

URL? I see there only 5.0r51 version to download..

Thanks,
Hetz


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Re: Smoothwall and other Linux FWs & ADSL (Revisited)

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Viper Solo wrote:

> Howdy, all!
>
> I've lurked this list's archives for a bit on the subj, but it seems
> the last thorough discussion took place circa Aug 2001. Some more
> tidbits showed up in Dec 2001 and that was pretty much it.
>
> Since then, a couple of "SmoothWall GPL 2.0" betas showed up
> (including "beta2" this September, which is considered pretty much a
> RC, at least AFAIK), sporting 2.4 kernel, and thus iptables. So, I
> figured it might be a good time to bring this subject up once again.
>
> Could anyone who has any experience in running out-of-the-box
> firewall distros (and SmoothWall in particular) with Israeli ADSL
> lines and modems available locally (especially models offered
> nowadays, e.g. Alcatel's SpeedTouch Home/Pro/USB, Dynalink/Rotal ALE-
> 070, etc) share it with the rest? Problems encountered? Drivers,
> config, incompatibilities ( pptp )?

Then-again, how about taking a standard distro and making a "firewall"
from it?

Any recommended tips,

e.g: iptable front-ends?

Is there a useful web-based administration (with better authentication
than webmin: I need something that will allow me to logout without
changing the root password from the shell...)

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Re: netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 11:42:07PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > It seems that mozilla hardwires the path /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins . Try
> > making it a symlink.
> 
> Depends which version you download/use. For personal (by user) netscape 
> plugins, put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
> If you downloaded the tarball, then put the plugins in your ~/mozilla/plugins/ 
> directory.
> Red Hat's Mozilla plugins should go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
> 
> > swf is ShockWave Flash, the successor of ShockWave. It is commonly known
> > simply as "Flash".
> >
> > Speaking of flash: anybody tried the free (but still alpha) flash plugin
> > from http://freshmeat.net/projects/swfdec/ ?
> 
> It doesn't run lots and lots of flash files. Flash 6 native plugin for Linux 
> should be out RSN..

A beta, which works quite well for me (and solves the decades-long
crash with remote $DISPLAY), is already downloadable from their site.

> 
> Thanks,
> Hetz
> 
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Can a pinguin ride a camel ?

[Gabor Szabo]

The Israel.pm and Rehovot.pm has published a
Call for Participation for the first Perl conference
in Israel.

  YAPC::Israel::2003

will take place on 12th May 2003 in the Weizmann Institute.

You can read more about the conference, how to register and
how to submit a proposal for presentation on the web site
at

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The time is quite short. The dead-line for the proposals is
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Re: netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

> It seems that mozilla hardwires the path /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins . Try
> making it a symlink.

Depends which version you download/use. For personal (by user) netscape 
plugins, put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
If you downloaded the tarball, then put the plugins in your ~/mozilla/plugins/ 
directory.
Red Hat's Mozilla plugins should go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

> swf is ShockWave Flash, the successor of ShockWave. It is commonly known
> simply as "Flash".
>
> Speaking of flash: anybody tried the free (but still alpha) flash plugin
> from http://freshmeat.net/projects/swfdec/ ?

It doesn't run lots and lots of flash files. Flash 6 native plugin for Linux 
should be out RSN..

Thanks,
Hetz

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Re: Smoothwall and other Linux FWs & ADSL (Revisited)

[Eli Marmor]

Viper Solo wrote:

> I've lurked this list's archives for a bit on the subj, but it seems
> the last thorough discussion took place circa Aug 2001. Some more
> tidbits showed up in Dec 2001 and that was pretty much it.
> 
> Since then, a couple of "SmoothWall GPL 2.0" betas showed up
> (including "beta2" this September, which is considered pretty much a
> RC, at least AFAIK), sporting 2.4 kernel, and thus iptables. So, I
> figured it might be a good time to bring this subject up once again.
> 
> Could anyone who has any experience in running out-of-the-box
> firewall distros (and SmoothWall in particular) with Israeli ADSL
> lines and modems available locally (especially models offered
> nowadays, e.g. Alcatel's SpeedTouch Home/Pro/USB, Dynalink/Rotal ALE-
> 070, etc) share it with the rest? Problems encountered? Drivers,
> config, incompatibilities ( pptp )?
> 
> I believe this would be fairly beneficial for the community...

I run 4-legs router, based on Devil-Linux and a lot of iptables rules,
successfully. One NIC of it is connected to Alcatel ADSL, a second one
to frame-relay, the third to the internal DMZ, and the forth to the hub
of the clients (WIN machines etc.).

I don't use BGP yet (though still dreaming...), but the communication
to the Internet is balanced between both of the external lines.

I started with Devil-Linux when other 2.4 based distros were too pre-
mature; Today, I would recommend to check alternatives. The leading
players seem to be LEAF and WOLVERINE (you can find both of them at
freshmeat.net).

I would be happy to hear experience of Israeli users of LEAF and/or
WOLVERINE.

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Re: Smoothwall and other Linux FWs & ADSL (Revisited)

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 22:56, Viper Solo wrote:

> Could anyone who has any experience in running out-of-the-box 
> firewall distros (and SmoothWall in particular) with Israeli ADSL 
> lines and modems available locally (especially models offered 
> nowadays, e.g. Alcatel's SpeedTouch Home/Pro/USB, Dynalink/Rotal ALE-
> 070, etc) share it with the rest? Problems encountered? Drivers, 
> config, incompatibilities ( pptp )? 
> 

I've installed Smoothwall GPL 2.0 Beta and it does not support pptp or
pppoe, thus making the it unusable with the NIC connected brands of ADSL
(and some cables) modems and setups used in Israel.

You *might* be able to use it with the USB connected ADSL modems (at
least it is supposed to support them) but I haven't tried it myself as I
don't have one.

Apart from that it looks a pretty cool project/product on rather
skimpish review.

A similar problem exists with most fwfloppy distro - no pptp support
packages at al, although you can make one of your own if you have the
patience. There is a pppoe package though and since someone posted here
instructions to convince the the Alcatel ADSL modems to switch to doing
pppoe instead o fth default pptp not long ago you might get it to work,
but again I have not tried it myself.

Just my 2c,
Gilad.


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Smoothwall and other Linux FWs & ADSL (Revisited)

[Viper Solo]

Howdy, all!

I've lurked this list's archives for a bit on the subj, but it seems 
the last thorough discussion took place circa Aug 2001. Some more 
tidbits showed up in Dec 2001 and that was pretty much it. 

Since then, a couple of "SmoothWall GPL 2.0" betas showed up 
(including "beta2" this September, which is considered pretty much a 
RC, at least AFAIK), sporting 2.4 kernel, and thus iptables. So, I 
figured it might be a good time to bring this subject up once again.

Could anyone who has any experience in running out-of-the-box 
firewall distros (and SmoothWall in particular) with Israeli ADSL 
lines and modems available locally (especially models offered 
nowadays, e.g. Alcatel's SpeedTouch Home/Pro/USB, Dynalink/Rotal ALE-
070, etc) share it with the rest? Problems encountered? Drivers, 
config, incompatibilities ( pptp )? 

I believe this would be fairly beneficial for the community...

Thanks in advance.

Viper.

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Re: netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Arie Folger]

On Sunday 01 December 2002 14:03, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > Additional question: I often notice a complain about the browser being
> > unable to load the right plugin for a file ending in .swf. Is that a
> > Macromedia Shockwave file? Doesn't exist for Linux, too bad if its indeed
> > a Shockwave file. Also: what is the difference between flash and
> > shockwave?
>
> swf is ShockWave Flash, the successor of ShockWave. It is commonly known
> simply as "Flash".

I have Macromedia Flash plugin, but it ain't helping (even in konqueror, which 
does find the netscape plugins and otherwise uses them). Do I have the wrong 
version? (Linux plugin is version 5, while for those wondozers it's version 
6)

> Speaking of flash: anybody tried the free (but still alpha) flash plugin
> from http://freshmeat.net/projects/swfdec/ ?

Thanks, I'll check it up.

Arie
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Re: netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Arie Folger wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have some netscape plugins which netscape used to use, and indeed konqueror
> happily makes use of them, but now that I use mozilla instead of netscape,
> mozilla no longer recognizes them. I figure that the plugins have to be in a
> different directory, or there must be a certain variable I can set to include
> the old path, but which one?

It seems that mozilla hardwires the path /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins . Try
making it a symlink.

>
> Additional question: I often notice a complain about the browser being unable
> to load the right plugin for a file ending in .swf. Is that a Macromedia
> Shockwave file? Doesn't exist for Linux, too bad if its indeed a Shockwave
> file. Also: what is the difference between flash and shockwave?

swf is ShockWave Flash, the successor of ShockWave. It is commonly known
simply as "Flash".

Speaking of flash: anybody tried the free (but still alpha) flash plugin
from http://freshmeat.net/projects/swfdec/ ?

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Re: The PS1 puzzle in RH7.3/Gnome

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In a stock RedHat 7.3 installation, I am trying to customize the prompt.
> I edited ~/.bash_profile so that it'll have also the command:
> PS1='[\!][\u@\h:\w]\$ '
> 
> Inside an xterm, if I source .bash_profile, then the prompt changes to
> what I want it to be.
> However if I log out and log back into Gnome, and open a new xterm window,
> then it displays the original prompt.  This happens both with and without
> 'export PS1' in .bash_profile.
> 
> Other environment variables, which were set in .bash_profile (such as
> PATH), have the expected values, so .bash_profile actually got
> executed.

I would be very surprized if ~/.bash_profile got executed for every
xterm. It should not be: ~/.bash_profile is only sourced for login
shells, cf. "man bash". From your description, I think your system
behaves properly and according to documentation.

I export PS1 and PS2 from ~/.bashrc, which works just fine.


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netscape plugins in Mozilla

[Arie Folger]

Hi,

I have some netscape plugins which netscape used to use, and indeed konqueror 
happily makes use of them, but now that I use mozilla instead of netscape, 
mozilla no longer recognizes them. I figure that the plugins have to be in a 
different directory, or there must be a certain variable I can set to include 
the old path, but which one?

Additional question: I often notice a complain about the browser being unable 
to load the right plugin for a file ending in .swf. Is that a Macromedia 
Shockwave file? Doesn't exist for Linux, too bad if its indeed a Shockwave 
file. Also: what is the difference between flash and shockwave?

Arie Folger
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he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable.
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Re: units - was [OT] Story: The case of the 500-mile email

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> They [physicists - OG] will claim that the ELECTRONS don't travel at the
> speed of light, but that is mostly irelevant to this discussion. The
> speed of electricity is not far from the speed of light, IIRC.

It is *of the order of* the speed of light, but still quite far from (as in
dozens of per cent less than) the speed of light.

> > and there are a few other problems.
> >
> Do tell.

A few days ago the same story was posted to hackers-il. I commented
on a few problems there. The archives are linked from IGLU's "list of
mailing lists" page.

> >in short, only a cute suburban legend :)

Indeed. But a really cute one.

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Re: The PS1 puzzle in RH7.3/Gnome

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Omer Zak wrote:

> In a stock RedHat 7.3 installation, I am trying to customize the prompt.
> I edited ~/.bash_profile so that it'll have also the command:
> PS1='[\!][\u@\h:\w]\$ '
>
> Inside an xterm, if I source .bash_profile, then the prompt changes to
> what I want it to be.
> However if I log out and log back into Gnome, and open a new xterm window,
> then it displays the original prompt.This happens both with and without
> 'export PS1' in .bash_profile.
>
> Other environment variables, which were set in .bash_profile (such as
> PATH), have the expected values, so .bash_profile actually got executed.
>
> The conclusion - some other script overwrites PS1 with another value after
> execution of .bash_profile.

Have you verified it actually gets executed?

e.g. using:

  export BASH_PROFILE_EXECUTED="$(date)"

(so you'll even know when it was last set)

>
> However, no amount of grepping of dot files in either /etc or home
> directory or subdirectories helped me catch the criminal script.
>
> Can someone please point out which system script clobbers my precious
> setting of PS1 or what other mistake did I commit?

  /etc/bashrc ?

Seems to mess with PS1 . Put your prompt in
/etc/sysconfig/bash-prompt-xterm

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The PS1 puzzle in RH7.3/Gnome

[Omer Zak]

In a stock RedHat 7.3 installation, I am trying to customize the prompt.
I edited ~/.bash_profile so that it'll have also the command:
PS1='[\!][\u@\h:\w]\$ '

Inside an xterm, if I source .bash_profile, then the prompt changes to
what I want it to be.
However if I log out and log back into Gnome, and open a new xterm window,
then it displays the original prompt.  This happens both with and without
'export PS1' in .bash_profile.

Other environment variables, which were set in .bash_profile (such as
PATH), have the expected values, so .bash_profile actually got executed.

The conclusion - some other script overwrites PS1 with another value after
execution of .bash_profile.

However, no amount of grepping of dot files in either /etc or home
directory or subdirectories helped me catch the criminal script.

Can someone please point out which system script clobbers my precious
setting of PS1 or what other mistake did I commit?
 Thanks,
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Re: units - was [OT] Story: The case of the 500-mile email

[voguemaster]

01/12/02 07:55:04, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> second
> that sendmail as a user process, manages it's own TCP connection timeout
> when that's a kernel thing. I'm no great programmer, but I think
> creating a TCP connection is a blocked call and the timeout is fixed in the
> kernel

Actually, it's quite easy to create specific timeouts. It's possible to specify
timeouts in more than one way:

1. Using the SO_RCVTIMEO and SO_SNDTIMEO socket options on a file
descriptor will cause it to have timeouts applied, almost. It's actually an inactivity
timer, not a *real* timeout mechanism. Those two options are not even required
by Posix.1g though, been added since BSD 4.3. Note: not all implementations
support these new options.

2. Using select() to wait on a non-blocking file descriptor. This is the prefered way
and quite a good one I might say. It allows the programmer to place any desirable
timeout on a read or write operation.

3. Using SIGALARM. I forgot how this is implemented. Never did go into this since
it has problems (also among platforms).

Regarding the speed of light, beeing a physicist myself I have to agree :-)
The signals don't even come close to traveling at the speed of light, as any ping
can show...

Eli

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 So many different suns
 And we have just one world
 But we live in different ones.."
 
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Re: Alternatives to Mozilla

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, voguemaster wrote:

>
> >
> >there you go. the fact that IE runs slow on some hardware, does not mean
> >that every other browser has to run as slow. if we looked up to misrosoft
> >for comparing stuff, linux would have crashed every few days and we'd be
> >filling fine. is that the kind of standard you're looking for?
> >
>
> Of course not. However I've been hearing arguments against Linux products
> such as OpenOffice.org and KOffice being much less robust or having poor
> performance in comparison with the MS Office products. Comparing browsers
> is inevitable. Some people also claimed that one of the best advantages with
> IE is the fact that it takes next to no time for it to load up (since most of it's
> components are present in memory already, in part).

Other programs have learnt this trick. At least Mozilla, OpenOffice and
kmeleon use the same trick on windows: pre-loading of some of the
libraries. They make it optional, at least, to give you the benefit of the
memory-time tradeoff.

Mozilla's code is currently buggy, though (IRC from hte release notes. Has
this been fixed?).

kmeleon tries to give you several levels of preloading, so you'll have
several levels to choose from in this tradeoff.


What about linux?

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Re: Alternatives to Mozilla

[voguemaster]

>
>there you go. the fact that IE runs slow on some hardware, does not mean 
>that every other browser has to run as slow. if we looked up to misrosoft 
>for comparing stuff, linux would have crashed every few days and we'd be 
>filling fine. is that the kind of standard you're looking for?
>

Of course not. However I've been hearing arguments against Linux products
such as OpenOffice.org and KOffice being much less robust or having poor
performance in comparison with the MS Office products. Comparing browsers
is inevitable. Some people also claimed that one of the best advantages with
IE is the fact that it takes next to no time for it to load up (since most of it's
components are present in memory already, in part).

I'm not sure why Mozilla is so bloated or runs poorly on slower systems. I don't
even know the effect of the desktop environment on the performace. We know
there are differences in performance between desktops and window managers.
I'd guess in order to measure the performance of Mozilla optimally, we should
run it under the simplest, fastest desktop + WM.
Can you honestly say that the computer's sluggishness is caused *only* because
of Mozilla ?? not even by a combination of Mozilla and the desktop environment ?

That's not great evidence you know...

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 So many different suns
 And we have just one world
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Re: [aanounce] kernel rpms round 3

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote:

> I would -especially- NOT install it from RPMs, needless to say patched up.
> Then again, The Light Of Debian relieves me from this unhappy deed.

Ahem...

Unlike Mandrake/RedHat/SuSE, debian comes with a less featured kernel.
Chances are you'll need to rebuild it (heck, you have all the tools to do
that as packages. Just go hunting for the docs describing how to do that).

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fetchmailconf

[Arie Folger]

Hi,

RH used to include a program called fetchmailconf to configure fetchmail. 
However, it is missing in RH8.0. I guess I could reinstall it from RH7.3, but 
I wonder why the package has gone missing.

I also wonder how to implement a setting that would collect all users' mail 
when the dial up connection goes up. The settings are to be found in each 
user's .fetchmailrc.

Arie Folger
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Re: [aanounce] kernel rpms round 3

[Michael Stolovitzsky]

On Saturday 30 November 2002 08:41, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 08:36:20PM +, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> > Hello linuxers
> >
> > I have uploaded to iglu, my third round of kernel rpms. Tease are 2.4.19
> > kernel rpms patched with lowlatency patch, preemtible kernel and
> > supermount.
>
> I'm curious, what kind of testing are you giving these kernels?

Given the reputation of .19 and especially lowlatency and preempt on it, I 
doubt any kind of testing would help it. 

19 gives me a variety of headaches, ranging from hanging up IPv6 module to 
broken frame diverter, ppp drivers failing to initialize, arts and kdeinit 
leaking like hell and such.

I would -especially- NOT install it from RPMs, needless to say patched up. 
Then again, The Light Of Debian relieves me from this unhappy deed.

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Re: Hebrew locale in mandrake 9.0 (solution)

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote:

> nowall works.
> Well apparebtly mandrake are hearing you Ilia, and fucking arround with stuff
> that they should not. In mdk9.0 he_IL == he_IL..utf8, but that's written
> above already...

Which is a GoodThing if you mainly work in KDE and in gtk2 . xchat 1.8 is
one of the last remaining gtk1 programs (also in this category:
evolution, some legacy x programs)

It will also makes it much easier for you *not* to mess-up your file
system with ISO-8859-8 file names.

>
> solution: set the locale to iw_IL, or dump mandrake to gentoo (sounds better
> every day...)

why iw_IL ?

This is a depracated locale name.

You right way is to create the he_IL.ISO-8859-8 locale and use it for
legacy programs.

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RE: OpenOffice Hebrew issues - your help, please

[Dvir Volk]

Has anyone else encountered the disappearing of the "rtl" and "ltr"
buttons from the toolbar in swriter, after you've added them, once you
catually try to use them?


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OpenOffice Hebrew issues - your help, please
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just filed two bugs for OpenOffice BiDi support - 9730 and 9731
> 
> Please, your help is required. Please D/L the build of 
> OpenOffice 643C 
> for whatever platform, and give it a go. The bugs I opened 
> were trivial, 
> and resulted from ten seconds of intense use of the 
> application through 
> the intensive QA tool known as "keyboard".
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Re: OpenOffice Hebrew issues - your help, please

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 16:56, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just filed two bugs for OpenOffice BiDi support - 9730 and 9731
> 
> Please, your help is required. Please D/L the build of OpenOffice 643C 
> for whatever platform, and give it a go. The bugs I opened were trivial, 
> and resulted from ten seconds of intense use of the application through 
> the intensive QA tool known as "keyboard".

Well, I was going to wait until openoffice.org.il is fully set up but
since Shachar beat me to it... ;-)

I'm collecting a library of Hebrew and Arabic DOC files that don't open
right with OpenOffice for use as a test suite. The more complicated and
feature using the better. 

If you add an exact description of what the file SHOULD look like you'll
be considered for sainthood at the church of the holly Penguin. Screen
shots of what it should look like will guarantee sainthood and actual
code references to what causes the problem will entitle you to sexual
benefits that cannot be stated here since they are still considered
illegal in several countries... ;-)

One thing though - this test suite will be made PUBLIC. Please make sure
to carefully go over your files and make sure they do not include
anything that you, your SO, your employer or your secret agency for
national security of choice will not like to see in the open.

Many thanks,
Gilad.


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Re: Hebrew locale in mandrake 9.0 (solution)

[Shachar Shemesh]

Diego Iastrubni wrote:


solution: set the locale to iw_IL, or dump mandrake to gentoo (sounds better 
every day...)

- diego
 

As someone who is also a Wine user - when setting the locale to iw_IL, 
don't you get errors when running Wine that the lang settings were not 
found?

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OpenOffice Hebrew issues - your help, please

[Shachar Shemesh]

Hi all,

Just filed two bugs for OpenOffice BiDi support - 9730 and 9731

Please, your help is required. Please D/L the build of OpenOffice 643C 
for whatever platform, and give it a go. The bugs I opened were trivial, 
and resulted from ten seconds of intense use of the application through 
the intensive QA tool known as "keyboard".

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SOLVED: Windows 2000 - Linux/Samba interoperability

[Omer Zak]

Few days ago I asked for help in solving a mysterious problem which
prevented a PC with Windows 2000 from accessing Samba shares on a Linux
PC.

The problem was mysterious, because the diagnostic procedure spelled out
in the DIAGNOSIS.txt document pointed at badly-installed client software
as the culprit.  And the client software was the Windows 2000
installation!

It turned out that the firewall definitions on the Linux PC were too
strict, and blocked the subnet over which it communicated with the Windows
2000 PC.  The firewall allowed the Linux PC to initiate connections to its
heart's content, but blocked all incoming connection requests.  So the
Linux PC could access the Windows 2000's shares, but not vice versa.

An extra line, to accept connections from the Windows 2000 PC's subnet,
was added to /etc/sysconfig/ipchains, and then
'/etc/rc.d/init.d/ipchains restart' solved the problem.

I thank everyone who answered my previous E-mail and tried to help me
solve the problem.

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Re: CD-R failure after Kernel compile

[Shachar Shemesh]

Is it possible that, after installing the new kernel, the ide-cd=hdc 
line was accidentally dropped from your kernel params?
Can you do a mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom?

   Shachar


Assaf Flatto wrote:

I tried to complie the kenel on my workstation (AMD Duron 1.1GB ,256 MB
40GB HD Mandrake 8.1 kernel 2.4.8 ) to upgrade to kernel 2.4.19.
the compliation went smooth and i included SCSI emulation , and ISO-9660
for my CD -R support.
The CD-R is a Philips x12 .

when I reboot the new Kernel everythng works fine besides the CD-R.
lspci shows the same output as the old kernel but running cdrecord
failes .
doing a cdrecord -scanbus failes also and exits .

Any ideas what can be missing  ?

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I tried to complie the kenel on my workstation (AMD Duron 1.1GB ,256 MB
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the compliation went smooth and i included SCSI emulation , and ISO-9660
for my CD -R support.
The CD-R is a Philips x12 .

when I reboot the new Kernel everythng works fine besides the CD-R.
lspci shows the same output as the old kernel but running cdrecord
failes .
doing a cdrecord -scanbus failes also and exits .

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[OT]: MIB parser to Smalltalk

[Oleg Kobets]

Hi!

This is offtopic and I am sorry but I have nowhere to go.

I need some kind of utility that can parse MIB's to Smalltalk format. If
anyone has any pointers or know's how to get MIB Parser from Alcatel DevKit
to work please tell me.

Also please do not mail to list but directly to me, as to not take this any
further and annoy the flamers :-)

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Re: Mail server and DNS

[Ben-Nes Michael]

Check the logs to see if it accept non local mails

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> it work local
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> but out of the sup local domain i can receive email only and can't sending
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> >
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> >
> > What is your configuration? What happens?
> >
> > What system do you use? (what version?)
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Re: units - was [OT] Story: The case of the 500-mile email

[Oron Peled]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:55:04 +0200
Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that sendmail as a user process, manages it's own TCP connection timeout
> when that's a kernel thing. I'm no great programmer, but I think
> creating a TCP connection is a blocked call and the timeout is fixed in the
> kernel.

Just a fragment from my sendmail.cf:
# timeouts (many of these)
#O Timeout.initial=5m
O Timeout.connect=1m
#O Timeout.aconnect=0s
#O Timeout.iconnect=5m

You are right that TCP connection (and read as well) are blocking,
however there are many techniques for applying timeouts (e.g:
alarm(2)).

This of course doesn't prove/disprove the story.


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Re: Alternatives to Mozilla

[Henry Ficher]

How about this for a minimalistic graphic www browser?

http://browser.arachne.cz/


Cheers,

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Re: units - was [OT] Story: The case of the 500-mile email

[Shachar Shemesh]

Ira Abramov wrote:


Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Sat, 30 Nov:
 

On 29-Nov-2002 David Bergman wrote:
   

Here's a problem that *sounded* impossible ... I almost regret posting
the story to a wide audience, because it makes a great tale over drinks
 


   


indeed, you could have sent a link instead of the full text.
 

Hear hear.


there are several points in this story that make it unbelievable in my
book. first, that 3ms delay is a lot in early 1990s standards,


a lot, or not a lot?
Early 1990s means that almost only universities are on the Internet. 
This makes the net itself more managable.

second
that sendmail as a user process, manages it's own TCP connection timeout
when that's a kernel thing. I'm no great programmer, but I think
creating a TCP connection is a blocked call and the timeout is fixed in the
kernel.


Hmm, not for server processes, no.
If a server program (a real one, not the kind you write as homework) 
used blocking calls, it'd require a process/thread for each TCP 
connection it created. HUGE overhead. What you actually do is use 
non-blocking calls. They look just like the blocking ones, only you use 
an ioctl to set the file descriptor to non-blocking, and then use 
'select' to find out who is ready for sending, or has information been 
recevied. When you call select, you use a timeout. Specifically, you 
don't want to let idle connections hang around for too long, or someone 
can seriously DoS you.

furthermosre, it assumes all internet links go in straight lines
and are equaly wide and equaly congested and that the backbone is indeed
that clean.


And how much variance are you experencing today in connection setup 
times? And this WAS 10 years ago, when a lot less users were on the net 
(hence -less variance).

a physicist, ignoring the processing time of cisco
microcontrollers and the delay of repeating packets from one side of a
switch to the other, and then from ether to WAN and through a modem,
would STILL argue that electricity doesn't travel at the speed of light
either.


No, they won't. They will claim that the ELECTRONS don't travel at the 
speed of light, but that is mostly irelevant to this discussion. The 
speed of electricity is not far from the speed of light, IIRC.

and there are a few other problems.


Do tell.



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Re: Alternatives to Mozilla

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, guy keren wrote:

> the kde folks went over board with things, without caring if it runs on
> older hardware - hence, the bloat. when you have a new PC that runs very
> fast, you can loose awareness to how bloated your code is. i just bought a
> new computer a week ago, and suddenly things run fat, that i don't feel
   """
Indeed ;-)

> the bloat on every spot - suddenly netscape 6 launches quickly. suddenly
> galeon does not slag behind. so you see - if i was developing on this new
> PC, it would hardly run on older hardware, cause i wouldn't _feel_ the
> bloat. only if i care about it, or try it on older hardware, will i notice
> this bloat properly, and be reminded to keep my code optimized.
>
>

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Re: Alternatives to Mozilla

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, voguemaster wrote:

> >
> >when i say something is bloated, i mean it takes too many resources. as
> >you quite well know, two programs doing the same things can use different
> >ammounts of resources. in fact, the same program can do the same thing in
> >two manners - one optimized and one not.
> >
>
> And what would you say were the minimum system requirements for Mozilla
> to run with (not too sluggish) ???
>
> I can tell you exactly how the computers in the CC at TAU are behaving
> with IE (the computers in the basement).
> The are all P2's I think, and most of them act sluggish as well with IE, so
> I wouldn't just come to Mozilla with complaints.

On windows: try kmeleon. On macosx: try chimera. On linux: try skipstone
(is it still developed?) or galeon. All of those use the same basic
rendering engine ot display HTML, but avoid the unnecessary bloat of
displaying the rest of the user interface with it.

BTW: there is a recent project to try to produce an "slimmer" mozilla
browser (though they seem to aim at size, and not at speed): phoenix. They
may prove the previous paragraph wrong (or not...)

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Re: Mail server and DNS

[doron]

áéåí øàùåï, 1 áãöîáø 2002, 09:57, mail Admin ëúá:
when data in the DB (zone file) is changed, the serial number of that zone 
must be increased.

Doron 

> I do MX records and it dosn't work
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Re: Mail server and DNS

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it work local

but out of the sup local domain i can receive email only and can't sending

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> 
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Re: Mail server and DNS

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my domain is pet.ac.il
The DNS service installed at redhat 6.2 (mail.pet.ac.il)
and install a new Microsoft exchange on win2k 
the win2k found in sub domain "mulmedsrv"
and the win2k computer name is "media2000"
media2000.mulmedsrv.pet.ac.il

and i do in DNS this change

media2000.mulmedsrv   IN   MX   10  media2000.mulmedsrv.pet.ac.il.
media2000.mulmedsrv   IN   MX   100 mail.pet.ac.il.
media2000.mulmedsrv   IN   MX   1000mx10.netvision.net.il.
media2000.mulmedsrv   IN   MX   1   nypop.elron.net.

media2000.mulmedsrv   IN  A   199.203.218.4
media2000   IN  CNAME   media2000.mulmedsrv





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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Mail server and DNS


> On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, mail Admin wrote:
> 
> > I do MX records and it dosn't work
> 
> Then kindly provide details more specific than "doesn't work".
> 
> What is your configuration? What happens?
> 
> What system do you use? (what version?)
> 
> -- 
> Tzafrir Cohen
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
> 

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Re: Mail server and DNS

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, mail Admin wrote:

> I do MX records and it dosn't work

Then kindly provide details more specific than "doesn't work".

What is your configuration? What happens?

What system do you use? (what version?)

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir



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Re: Mail server and DNS

[mail Admin]

I do MX records and it dosn't work

- Original Message - 
From: "Ira Abramov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Mail server and DNS



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