Re: [off topic] Wikipedia Jimmy Wales
Uri Even-Chen wrote: OK, you asked for an example, you got it. Look at the history of שיחה:אריאל שרון from 28 May 2005. There were comments by an anonymous user which were deleted by the system administrators. Read the discussion and then read the comments that were deleted. http://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97%D7%94:%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%90%D7%9C_%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9Faction=history I'm not so sure about the deleted comments, but I did go over all the changes to the actual page (not the discussion) that took place during those two days. It seems that the page was in the middle of a stupid edit war. Most of the deleted comments, as far as I could tell, were about why was the page locked. You may not agree with the specific decisions, but it's hard to call them unreasonable. And it's just one example. There are many examples. Also, check why משתמש:שי דוד was deleted. Can you find any explanation? Or is the explanation deleted too? No. The explanation says מתחזה. There was a short discussion about it, but I cannot see the discussion itself. I'm assuming that the discussion ended with the assertion that David Shy is too well known, so that your friend's name was too confusing. The thing is, such things happen everywhere names are used. I had the exact same problem trying to buy a .co.il domain (and the collision was with someone that ISOC agreed is a cyber-squater). I eventually had to buy a totally different name. Such things happen. Don't get me wrong. My experience with wikipedia is not all positive myself. See http://israblog.nana.co.il/blogread.asp?blog=35850blogcode=2483976. I still think your criticism seems excess. http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%A9:%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%93%D7%95%D7%93 Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Israel.pm] OSDC (was YAPC) talk proposal dead-line on this Saturday
Hi all! I should note that people are free to give some of my Perl or Linux related presentations in OSDC: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/ Especially the Perl for Perl Newbies ones: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/Perl/Newbies/ But see: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mulix/171509.html The reason I'm not giving them myself is because the thought of it makes me nervous. (Not to mention most of my live presentations are not that good). Regards, Shlomi Fish On Friday 09 December 2005 10:09, Gábor Szabó wrote: Reminder: the dead-line to submit talks is tomorrow evening. In order to show people what kind of talks we already have (and because I won't have time next week) I have already accepted some of the talks from what we already have. (This includes all the Beginner level Perl talks) Current list of accepted talks: http://www.osdc.org.il/presentations.html Please send in your proposals ASAP. Gabor ___ Perl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perl.org.il/mailman/listinfo/perl -- - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nokia 6100 and a linux dialer
I have a Nokia 6100 cell phone. I bought a USB to Serial adapter cable which when connected to my Debian laptop the box automaticlly loads the pl2303 driver. I am able identify the phone via the following command: gnokii --identify, So I believe the cable connection is working. According to Cellcom I need to create a dialer and dial *99# to connect to the Internet from my laptop through the cell phone. I added this number to my minicom settings and when I dial the number I receive CONNECT, some gibberish and then nothing. The laptop does not receive an IP address. Has anyone succesfully connected a computer to the Internet via Cellcom through a Nokia 6100 cell phone? -- - Josh = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for impl of pthread_atfork
Hi Oleg, I haven't recieved any mail with the information you've mentioned. Could you please forward it to my IBM address ? Marcel Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] rg cc: Marc's List linux-il@linux.org.il, Marcel Zalmanovici/Haifa/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Looking for impl of pthread_atfork 09/12/2005 01:48 Please respond to linux-il Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for a version of pthreads for Linux that has the API pthread_atfork implemented. I'm using an Intel Xeon Hyperthread machine with two 3.20GHz CPUs. Kernel version is 2.6.4-52.smp. Current pthread/glibc library is 2.3.3-97. I replied to Marcel on a different list. I checked, and pthread_atfork() works for me on several platforms (RHEL3 on i386 with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels (one of them a Xeon-based x345, another a Pentium IV), and Yellow Dog on PPC (G5) with a 2.6 kernel). Marcel should have received full details, and I'll spare the rest of you. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nokia 6100 and a linux dialer
On Friday, 9 בDecember 2005 15:14, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote: I have a Nokia 6100 cell phone. I bought a USB to Serial adapter cable which when connected to my Debian laptop the box automaticlly loads the pl2303 driver. I am able identify the phone via the following command: gnokii --identify, So I believe the cable connection is working. According to Cellcom I need to create a dialer and dial *99# to connect to the Internet from my laptop through the cell phone. I added this number to my minicom settings and when I dial the number I receive CONNECT, some gibberish and then nothing. That sounds like a very reasonable response. The laptop does not receive an IP address. Did you try to use a dialer (such as pppd or one of its frontends) ? If you did, then please provide more details about what you tried and what errors did you get. Has anyone succesfully connected a computer to the Internet via Cellcom through a Nokia 6100 cell phone? From your description it seems like you expect Minicom to be a dialer, but it is only a dumb terminal program. I haven't used that specific handset with cellcom, but I've used a siemens ME45 over IRDA with cellcom, and various Nokias (including the 6100) over serial, USB, IRDA and bluetooth to Orange, and never had a problem. I've used many dialer frontends, but I found wvdial to be the easiest to setup and use (albeit its console based). -- Oded ::.. Rule of Open-Source Programming #9: Give me refactoring or give me death! To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off topic] Wikipedia Jimmy Wales
Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'm not so sure about the deleted comments, but I did go over all the changes to the actual page (not the discussion) that took place during those two days. It seems that the page was in the middle of a stupid edit war. Most of the deleted comments, as far as I could tell, were about why was the page locked. You may not agree with the specific decisions, but it's hard to call them unreasonable. Read all the deleted comments and check why they were deleted. And it's just one example. There are many examples. No. The explanation says מתחזה. There was a short discussion about it, but I cannot see the discussion itself. I'm assuming that the discussion ended with the assertion that David Shy is too well known, so that your friend's name was too confusing. The thing is, such things happen everywhere names are used. I had the exact same problem trying to buy a .co.il domain (and the collision was with someone that ISOC agreed is a cyber-squater). I eventually had to buy a totally different name. Such things happen. If somebody registers david-shay.co.il and you want to register shay-david.co.il or davidshay.co.il or david-shay.com or anything similar, you're allowed to do so. Nobody will stop you. The only way to stop you is with legal means, such as an arbitration or court order. There are laws and there are ways to enforce the laws. But in Wikipedia, there are no laws. If a system administrator (esp. a strong one, such as David Shay or Gilgamesh) doesn't like you for any reason - he can delete you, ban your username, ban your IP or just make your life miserable until you leave Wikipedia. Don't believe me? Try for yourself. Make them angry and see what happens. By the way, a person (who's name is NOT Bruce Springsteen) registered the domain name brucespringsteen.com. Bruce Springsteen didn't like it and filed a complaint against him (UDRP). The arbitrators decided that the man is ALLOWED to keep the name. Read it: http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-1532.html In a similar dispute over the domain name madonna.com, the arbitrators decided that the singer Madonna should have the name: http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-0847.html The difference is - with domain names there are arbitrators who are not a part of the dispute, and you can appeal their decisions to court. In Wikipedia there are only system administrators who do anything they want. My friend was so disappointed that he left Wikipedia. He didn't try to impersonate as David Shay or anybody else, he just used his name when he registered. But because of the reactions he decided to leave Wikipedia. I know quite a few people who left Wikipedia. Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off topic] Wikipedia Jimmy Wales
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: You won't believe if I told you what happens in paper encyclopedia. These evil pits of corruption are ruled by absolute dictators hiding under the name of editors, and not only they are not obliged to accept input from anybody - everybody is actually permanently banned from making any change into their work even before it is published and remains banned forever! And there's no place you can complain except to the dictator editors themselves and even then there's absolutely no way to ensure that they would accept your correction or at least note its existance in the proper place in the next release of their so called encyclopedia. I can not believe something so corrupt is not only allowed to exist but actually is referred to as an ultimate information source! Some people have no shame, indeed. It's like if I say Saddam Hussein is evil and you'll say Hitler was more evil. If there somebody more evil it doesn't mean Saddam Hussein is not evil. Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off topic] Wikipedia Jimmy Wales
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote about Re: [off topic] Wikipedia Jimmy Wales: Believe me, I know. Uri, I am sorry, I don't think this particular argument sounds very convincing... ;-) But the fact is that anybody (including you and me) can go to Wikipedia and fix what we find wrong. If you decide to go to Wikipedia's site, you can set its agenda. This is very different from other sites, like http://google-watch.org itself, where I cannot modify what they say if I don't like them. So perhaps google-watch.org is more dangerous than Wikipedia?? Personally, I think neither is dangerous. It's ironic how this guy's main blaim of Wikipedia is that anybody can come in and write a article badmouthing him. And this when this guy's job and hobby is writing sites that badmouthing others (politicians, Google, and now Wikipedia)? At least in Wikipedia, the victim can correct the errors - on his sites, his victims have no recourse. I don't want to pour fuel onto this fire, but, without voicing any opinion on that particular guy (who may or may not be a scumbag), I think he raises a couple of good points. 1) He is quite aware of the fact that one can go and change a Wikipedia article. He makes what seems to be a valid point that anyone else can, too, anonymously, and as a result one can never be sure that the site is fair, correct, non-defaming, non-libelous, etc., at any given moment. 2) His other point is also valid. If anyone puts libelous information on a website, presumably one can be sued. Now, that guy is looking for someone whom he can sue over what he considers libel on Wikipedia (OK, he maybe a litigious bastard, but that's besides the point). Now, the people who run Wikipedia apparently tell him they are not responsible for the content, and he has no idea who the authors of the offending material are. Granted, this situation is no different from, say, Slashdot, where one can post comments anonymously. However, it brings up an interesting, and possibly new, legal point. The guy faces what he considers libel in a very popular online publication, and he is seeking satisfaction by legal means. It is not up to any of us to decide whether he is right or wrong. The point is, the modern society based on the rule of law should give him a way to defend himself against what he considers libel (he may lose the battle - that is irrelevant). There are traditional publications that publish anonymous articles. Among periodicals, possibly the best known is The Economist. They have no by-lines, but I presume that the editors and the publishers are fully responsible for the contents, including potential responsibility for libel. Are Wikipedia owners/editors/whoever equally responsible? Thus, Nadav, I think you got it quite backwards when you say that if one publishes libel on a personal site the victims have no recourse. In that case, they do. The guy is looking for a similar recourse in the case of Wikipedia. Once again, this does not imply that the guy has a good case or is not a bastard - I don't care. I really don't think that the situation is so clear-cut either way. I am not a big fan of the justice systems of most country, but in this case maybe some good might result from a court hearing and a thoroughly considered opinion of a competent judge. Oleg, Thanks for your support. Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OSDC talk submission dead-line
Just a reminder that the talk submission dead-line for the OSDC::Israel::2006 (Open Source Developers' Conference) is today, 10th December. We already have a nice number of Perl talks Many Python talks. Two Ruby talks and one about Haskell There are several other talks as well. As we have already accepted most of the submitted talks you can already see what is there: http://www.osdc.org.il/ There are currently no PHP talks neither C related talks even though Muli has volunteered to be the Content manager for anything C related and I will do the PHP content management. I just could not find a PHP community in Israel. So go ahead, find some idea and submit your proposal. regards Gabor http://www.osdc.org.il/ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
