Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
I've been using Asterisk for the last 4 years. Never had a reason to move to Freeswitch. Asterisk rarely crash, (we have more than 15M minutes) If you like perl so much (or any language for that matter) you could configure Asterisk dialplan using a script instead of asterisk regular dialplans... if you are used to unix style configuration files, asterisk is not that hard, and you could always use one of the web interfaces. I personally, really likes the ruby on rails intergartaion to asterisk, makes it a lot of fun. just my 2cents. Ohad On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/10 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il: FreeSwitch developers have many bad words regarding Asterisk. So many of them are unfounded (or no longer founded) that I generally distrust them. This guy claims to be within the first tier of Asterisk commiters and to know its code through and through. Has Asterisk managed to get rid of the deadlocks and segfaults (and apparently a prehistoric architecture) he mentions in his FreeSwitch vs Asterisk at http://freeswitch.org/node/117? At the moment Asterisk is more mature and far more deployed. So it appears. But also I keep hearing horror stories about configuring it, and the guy who mentioned FreeSWITCH in the link from my previous message had experience with Asterisk and prefers FreeSWITCH. What merit points are there for Asterisk beyond everyone uses it (a billion flies CAN be wrong, you know)? Can it do something that FreeSwitch can't (the FreeSwitch guy says something about Asterisk being a PBX while FreeSwitch is a software switch, I don't know what's the difference and for now I plan to use it only for myself and maybe to connect a couple of trans-pacific offices)? (and does support Lua, BTW. Only nobody really bothers using it. As the fact that most people didn't touch the pbx_perl and pbx_js that the author of FS wrote as Asterisk modules before starting FS) Anyway, FS's license is MPL. Which for me is a concern to avoid using it: yet another GPL-incompatible software does not help anybody. In all the arguments above I didn't see one which actually refers to the merits of FreeSwitch. I'm not trying to annoy, just understand what am I missing about it, if at all. So far your points against it are not conclusive, IMHO. Thanks, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?
Michael Shiloh wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:53:30 -0800 Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Big Lesson: Big lesson learned: It took us a long time to get the projector to display from my laptop. It took a combination of the screen resolution applet, the Thinkpad Fn buttons, and rebooting, and truthfully, I'm not sure exactly what did it. We finally got it to work mirroring my laptop screen, so I didn't have any secrets - whatever I typed was in front of the audience. This actually was amusing because I opened a terminal to invoke kuickshow. Later someone from the audience came up and said Wow, you do robots, fire, and command line. Really cool. (The talk was about machine art.) What thinkpad and what graphics card? T60 Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (from lshw) I have the same one on my X60s. Connecting VGA and running: xrandr --auto Worked for me so far on various projectors (for clone mode). Cheers -- Meir Kriheli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?
Sorry, sent only privately by mistake On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:06:11 +0200 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:21:07 -0800 Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:53:30 -0800 Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Big Lesson: Big lesson learned: It took us a long time to get the projector to display from my laptop. It took a combination of the screen resolution applet, the Thinkpad Fn buttons, and rebooting, and truthfully, I'm not sure exactly what did it. We finally got it to work mirroring my laptop screen, so I didn't have any secrets - whatever I typed was in front of the audience. This actually was amusing because I opened a terminal to invoke kuickshow. Later someone from the audience came up and said Wow, you do robots, fire, and command line. Really cool. (The talk was about machine art.) What thinkpad and what graphics card? T60 Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (from lshw) does something like this work? xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768 --right-of LVDS' I'll ask on the linux thinkpad list to see if anyone else has experience with this ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
how to MD5 sum a DVD without copying it.
Hi, I want to make an MD5 checksum of a DVD ROM to verify that it was burned properly. Is there a way to do this without making an ISO file from it? While I obivously have to read it, I don't want to do anything with the data other than calculate the checksum. Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: how to MD5 sum a DVD without copying it.
Hi Geoff,
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:41:23AM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
I want to make an MD5 checksum of a DVD ROM to verify that it was burned
properly.
Is there a way to do this without making an ISO file from it?
While I obivously have to read it, I don't want to do anything with the
data other than calculate the checksum.
What about (assuming that you DVD is /dev/scd0):
md5sum /dev/scd0
baruch
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Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
2009/2/11 Ohad Levy ohadl...@gmail.com: I've been using Asterisk for the last 4 years. Never had a reason to move to Freeswitch. Asterisk rarely crash, (we have more than 15M minutes) Thanks very much for your input. rarely crashes sounds a bit wacky but 15 million minutes is impressive. I think I'll start with Asterisk just to see that I can get it running (and connect my mobile to it as a SIP client) and then see whether I want to switch/try FreeSwitch. If you like perl so much (or any language for that matter) you could configure Asterisk dialplan using a script instead of asterisk regular I don't know anything about Asterisk so can't decide whether I want to use a script yet. My only experience with a dialplan was on my Sipura 3000 and I even lost my password to that one (will have to reset it eventually). dialplans... if you are used to unix style configuration files, asterisk is not that hard, and you could always use one of the web interfaces. I just stumbled upon FreePBX. Is it worth anything? Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: how to MD5 sum a DVD without copying it.
Baruch Siach wrote: Hi Geoff, On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:41:23AM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: I want to make an MD5 checksum of a DVD ROM to verify that it was burned properly. Is there a way to do this without making an ISO file from it? While I obivously have to read it, I don't want to do anything with the data other than calculate the checksum. What about (assuming that you DVD is /dev/scd0): md5sum /dev/scd0 baruch Just keep in mind that if the DVD is encrypted, the hardware may not let you access it. The simplest solution is to load a DVD player and start playing the DVD, and then run the above command. The DVD player will authenticate with the hardware, and after that it should allow you free access to the whole medium. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: how to MD5 sum a DVD without copying it.
Hi, You could make an ISO image to stdout and pipe it to md5sum. This still makes the image of course but it won't take up disc space. I've not actually tried this but it should be possible. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/2/11 Ohad Levy ohadl...@gmail.com: I've been using Asterisk for the last 4 years. Never had a reason to move to Freeswitch. Asterisk rarely crash, (we have more than 15M minutes) Asterisk runs Codefidence IPBX for more then 5 years. Never seen a crash. Asterisk runs the Tel Aviv branch of the Israeli Law bar Odphone system(Lishkat Orchey Ha Dim Mahuz TA) for more then an year now. The only two reported bugs were hardware (firmware update from Sangoma fixed that ) and our own software :-) I and others can go on. Asterisk works. I donno about the other stuff (FreePBX etc.) but Asterisk is prodction level system *If you know what you are doing*. Being that you are an experienced Linux user that has no issue editing rc files or RTFM I believe you've already got 95% of the reasons why Asterisk installation fail covered. :-) Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
2009/2/11 Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.com: I and others can go on. Asterisk works. I donno about the other stuff Thanks for the testimonial. (FreePBX etc.) but Asterisk is prodction level system *If you know what you FreePBX claims to be a nice web gui for Asterisk, that's why I asked about it. are doing*. Being that you are an experienced Linux user that has no issue editing rc files or RTFM I believe you've already got 95% of the reasons why Asterisk installation fail covered. :-) Thanks for the reassurance. I've just ordered a vpslink Xen guest but the ssh latency from my home is very slow (I'm actually connected through a pretty good ISP). I'll try it from work tomorrow. Is 200ms ping time too much for SIP, or is it irrelevant. Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) --yuval signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/2/11 Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.com: I and others can go on. Asterisk works. I donno about the other stuff Thanks for the testimonial. (FreePBX etc.) but Asterisk is prodction level system *If you know what you FreePBX claims to be a nice web gui for Asterisk, that's why I asked about it. are doing*. Being that you are an experienced Linux user that has no issue editing rc files or RTFM I believe you've already got 95% of the reasons why Asterisk installation fail covered. :-) Thanks for the reassurance. I've just ordered a vpslink Xen guest but the ssh latency from my home is very slow (I'm actually connected through a pretty good ISP). I'll try it from work tomorrow. Is 200ms ping time too much for SIP, or is it irrelevant. Very relevant. Callers usually notice roundtrip voice delays of 250ms or more.The recommendation for VoIP is a one way delay of less then 150ms. Anything more will become very noticeable in conversation and in real life 150ms is too high as well since jitter before induce around 10ms addtional latency. In your case, 200ms round trip time, assuming a symmetric distribution, of delay (but mind you that the internet isn't really symmetrical...) is 100ms one way delay so this is not excellent but not really bad either. In theory, at least, you shouldn't be able to notice this delay in conversation. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Is 200ms ping time too much for SIP, or is it irrelevant. Very relevant. Callers usually notice roundtrip voice delays of 250ms or more.The recommendation for VoIP is a one way delay of less then 150ms. Anything more will become very noticeable in conversation and in real life 150ms is too high as well since jitter before induce around 10ms addtional latency. In your case, 200ms round trip time, assuming a symmetric distribution, of delay (but mind you that the internet isn't really symmetrical...) is 100ms one way delay so this is not excellent but not really bad either. In theory, at least, you shouldn't be able to notice this delay in conversation. Forgot to add - here is a great resournce for all things VoIP QoS: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-QoS Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
Quoting Yuval Hager, from the post of Wed, 11 Feb: I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) too late for me, I left them 5-6 years ago (website was only 10-20% of the reason), though they did leave access open for an older, undocumented version that still worked with gecko browsers. my Otzar Hayal account (oddly via the Po'alim's website) is imperfect but ok. Lately I also saw that Orange and Clalit work well on FF. I guess mobile Internet browsers had an impact where Linux hadn't any... at least it's fixed! (read - viewable, usable, but probably not standards-compliant still) slowly moving to a better stage in the life of the Israeli web. maybe IE8 will give the final needed jolt when Israelis start using it in a year or two... -- The man with no name Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:38:39PM +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: In your case, 200ms round trip time, assuming a symmetric distribution, of delay (but mind you that the internet isn't really symmetrical...) is 100ms one way delay so this is not excellent but not really bad either. In theory, at least, you shouldn't be able to notice this delay in conversation. Since a VoIP conversation is two way, even if the latency is not symetrical, one side or the other will experience the higher of the two sides. So while peak latency would be better a metric, IMHO ping time is a decent average. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Standards compliance in Doar Israel
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Sun, 08 Feb: I have to send a document to Doar Israel. I plan on sending it in .odt format. Is there a law in Israel, such as there is in many European countries, that states that Israeli agencies must accept standards-compliant formats such as odf? Am I being a menuval by sending in this format? not evil, not silly, just quixotic, and self-defeating (you WILL have to resend it). RTF is sorta-kinda mid-way between de-facto and de-jure standrd. not as proprietary as DOC, but not as esoteric (and unrecognized by gov't) as ODT. One day maybe, soon I hope, but not yet. -- Former mouseketeer Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Sun, 08 Feb: Personally, I have no objection to putting the matter up for a vote again. open, anonymous poll on some website? works for me. let's count the methods to consider, and vote on each. I say multiple choice, because some people are accomodating :-) Have Ely enforce it by: * reply-to * tag the subject * use the mutt-supported headers * hack the list server to allow any of the above as a personal setting for each subscriber (why is it not a built-in feature?!) * let each reader pick his way. I am sure most people would be annoyed by most of the above, and since this list IS mostly about the hacks and kluges of life with FOSS - I do my own filtering and suggest you do the same. Here are some ideas: * Sub, post and reply with a unique address (like I do, but it may not be conveniant with some mail clients) * qmail allows dash extensions and filters easely * postfix, sendmail (with switch), Gmail and others alow plus extensions * Filter on list headers, TO or CC headers, or envelope sender regex. (not an option with many clients) * Ob: Social hacking - start adding XIL or [XIL] to every post and reply here, and see if it catches on, forcing the listmaster to add it permanently :-) (I filter on envelope recipient and headers, and I remove subject tags with SED once they are ready to be delivered to the mbox (to save terminal realestate), knowing the list server will add them again to my posts) Yay text filters :-) -- The Grepmaster, Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
Ira Abramov wrote: Have Ely enforce it by: * reply-to * tag the subject * use the mutt-supported headers * hack the list server to allow any of the above as a personal setting for each subscriber (why is it not a built-in feature?!) * let each reader pick his way. I'm not sure what those mutt supported headers are. Anyway, I've given some thought to the why is it not a built-in feature question. I think the reply-to field was deemed too dangerous by the mailman programmers (it is explicitly labeled not recommended in the GUI), and the subject munging is meaningless to perform on a per-subscriber basis, as it will get right back when people hit reply. * Ob: Social hacking - start adding XIL or [XIL] to every post and reply here, and see if it catches on, forcing the listmaster to add it permanently :-) Of course, once you suggest that, you also have to take into account the possibility that people will NOT catch on to this. Would you then say that it would force the yay-sayers to accept its absence? :-) Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Amos Shapira wrote: Is 200ms ping time too much for SIP, or is it irrelevant. Very relevant. Callers usually notice roundtrip voice delays of 250ms or more.The recommendation for VoIP is a one way delay of less then 150ms. Anything more will become very noticeable in conversation and in real life 150ms is too high as well since jitter before induce around 10ms addtional latency. While it's not ideal and can be noticeable, it's not as bad as all that. I regularly speak with people in Australia which is over 400 ms ping time away, and while we occasionally talk over each other, it really doesn't impact much at all. I'd imagine it could be a problem if you made it much bigger though. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: data security
You can try to buy warranty that contain retain defective media that mean that you get a new disk without returning the defective one. I know that the Israeli army does it (and I am sure that also Rafael does) Shahar - Original Message - From: Erez D To: linux-il Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: data security hi one day this week, i started my computer, it behaved very strange - i had a blank screen for about 2 minutes before i got the boot screen, then it continued to boot from ... network the reason was that the hard drive has died. it wasn't even recognized by the bios. the computer was 2 months old, so i replaced the hard drive. when a hard drive dies and it is under warrenty, we need give the old one when we want it replaced. usuallyon the hard drive we have some personal things - pictures, documents, or confidential data if it belonged to a company etc... assuming the data is backed up (backing-up is an issue for another thread), we are left with the possibility of someone retriving data from the damaged drive. and when the drive is damaged, we can't even access it to erase that info before replacing it with a new one. so i though of a solution - use a crypto FS. but there are many problems with it. the practical problems are at least: 1. i do not know of a major linux distibution (i.e. redhat/ubuntu etc... ) that fully support crypto-fs out of the box, so if i use it, i will need to do manual changes every time i upgrade the system. 2. it is not really secured if the key is stored on disk. however if the key is not stored on disk, then the computer can not acces the data without human intervention, which is not good either when it comes to servers. and guys/girls, take my advice and back-up your data every short while. everybody thinks it will not happen to him. but it does. it is just a matter of time. erez. -- ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Wed, 11 Feb: I'm not sure what those mutt supported headers are. In mutt, I mapped r to reply, and L for reply to list. the L option overrides reply-to, btw, which is cool. Behavior is set by the muttrc and certain headers more here: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.8 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html Also google for: * reply to list * header Mail-Reply-To * header Mail-Followup-To Supported in EZ-mlm since (I think) day 1, and apparently it's now supported directly and via extensions in Evolution, Thunderbird and maybe others. However, unsupported (not even scriptable, I think) in Gmail without Gmail labs' intervention. (I have a long list of ideas for those guys, I'll add it in) Anyway, I've given some thought to the why is it not a built-in feature question. I think the reply-to field was deemed too dangerous yeah, yeah, I hate it too. I meant, why are the preferences of headers, subject tags et cetera not available as personal settings. the subject munging is meaningless to perform on a per-subscriber basis, as it will get right back when people hit reply. Indeed. to support this, mailman should remove the tag before processing a post and add it back when the post is sent to the subscribers. the obvious problem is WHERE to add the tag back. add it at the beginning and you break thread detection in clients. add it at the end, and some mail clients will chop it off if the subject is too long, and screw up thread detection again. have Mailman follow the thread to do the smart thing and you have a whole new can of worms... bla...@#$% ok, forget it. headers is the way. metadata is always better than guessing games. * Ob: Social hacking - start adding XIL or [XIL] to every post and reply here, and see if it catches on, forcing the listmaster to add it permanently :-) Of course, once you suggest that, you also have to take into account the possibility that people will NOT catch on to this. Would you then say that it would force the yay-sayers to accept its absence? :-) naturally I take it into account. I said see if it catches on suggesting it may not. -- The heart of the matter Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?
Meir Kriheli wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:53:30 -0800 Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Big Lesson: Big lesson learned: It took us a long time to get the projector to display from my laptop. It took a combination of the screen resolution applet, the Thinkpad Fn buttons, and rebooting, and truthfully, I'm not sure exactly what did it. We finally got it to work mirroring my laptop screen, so I didn't have any secrets - whatever I typed was in front of the audience. This actually was amusing because I opened a terminal to invoke kuickshow. Later someone from the audience came up and said Wow, you do robots, fire, and command line. Really cool. (The talk was about machine art.) What thinkpad and what graphics card? T60 Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (from lshw) I have the same one on my X60s. Connecting VGA and running: xrandr --auto Worked for me so far on various projectors (for clone mode). Thanks for the suggestions! I'll try your and Micha's suggestions. Thanks much, Michael ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
Hurray, someone might have told you to change banks Stay Happy Moshe --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Yuval Hager yu...@avramzon.net wrote: From: Yuval Hager yu...@avramzon.net Subject: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 1:27 PM I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) --yuval ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
2009/2/11 Geoffrey S. Mendelson g...@mendelson.com: So while peak latency would be better a metric, IMHO ping time is a decent average. Thanks Geoff and Aviram for the replies and pointers. I'll try to see how I measure the latency (maybe iperf?). Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Setting up a PBX for Israel-US communication
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:21:20PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/2/11 Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.com: I and others can go on. Asterisk works. I donno about the other stuff Thanks for the testimonial. (FreePBX etc.) but Asterisk is prodction level system *If you know what you FreePBX claims to be a nice web gui for Asterisk, that's why I asked about it. are doing*. Being that you are an experienced Linux user that has no issue editing rc files or RTFM I believe you've already got 95% of the reasons why Asterisk installation fail covered. :-) Thanks for the reassurance. I've just ordered a vpslink Xen guest but the ssh latency from my home is very slow (I'm actually connected through a pretty good ISP). I'll try it from work tomorrow. Is 200ms ping time too much for SIP, or is it irrelevant. Besides the latency, another factor to consider is the jitter: $ ping -c 10 kernel.org PING kernel.org (204.152.191.37) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=232 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=232 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=233 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=4 ttl=52 time=233 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=5 ttl=52 time=233 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=6 ttl=52 time=232 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=7 ttl=52 time=233 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=8 ttl=52 time=233 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=9 ttl=52 time=232 ms 64 bytes from pub2.kernel.org (204.152.191.37): icmp_seq=10 ttl=52 time=232 ms --- kernel.org ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9038ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 232.102/233.035/233.960/0.773 ms As you can see, I have a very predictable latency. This generally means packets will arrive on time. Here's a less optimal example: $ ping -c 10 lxer.linux.no ping: unknown host lxer.linux.no tzaf...@sweetmorn:~$ ping -c 10 lxr.linux.no PING lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=235 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=203 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=3 ttl=45 time=211 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=4 ttl=45 time=210 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=5 ttl=45 time=205 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=6 ttl=45 time=209 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=7 ttl=45 time=208 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=8 ttl=45 time=207 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=9 ttl=45 time=200 ms 64 bytes from lxr.linpro.no (87.238.46.5): icmp_seq=10 ttl=45 time=242 ms --- lxr.linpro.no ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9038ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 200.634/213.566/242.968/13.399 ms -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote: I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) --yuval Yey! I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope. Now I can finally remove ies4linux! Thanks for the update. - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
At least! Can I close bug 147967 in Mozilla? *Bug 147967* https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147967 - bankleumi.co.il - A valid login to Bank Leumi shows a blank screen - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147967 2009/2/11 Yuval Hager yu...@avramzon.net I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) --yuval ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 13:46:46 Ira Abramov wrote: [] but ok. Lately I also saw that Orange and Clalit work well on FF. I guess mobile Internet browsers had an impact where Linux hadn't any... at least it's fixed! (read - viewable, usable, but probably not standards-compliant still) Things are getting better indeed, but you are exaggerating: 1. Orange sites are far from working on FF, although they're getting closer (can't send SMS, can't read perut sichot on orange-bill). See what they wrote me a few weeks ago: http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/19 Of course, that's unless something was changed very recently and I'm not up- to-date. 2. Clalit doesn't work, it's been discussed here on the list only a few days ago. Even the Contact Us link on the login page fails. (https://e- services.clalit.org.il/login/main.aspx) - Oren ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote: I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) --yuval Yey! I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope. Now I can finally remove ies4linux! Thanks for the update. - Gilboa don't be so excited. the only part that i cared about was the online trading of stocks, bonds and friends - and this part still does not work. you can see the list, but clicking on any of the items gives no result, because the popup window does not get opened. furthermore - a long time ago, this feature used to work, and you could start placing a sell/buy order, but couldn't click on the last OK button. this feature did work with IE6 on win98. this feature stopped working even in IE6 a while back (before they made the latest interface overhaul) - and now i'm really stuck... so no thanks - i see no improvement with the important things. they also have the nice feature that every once in a while, the service does not get at night, with a cryptic message sating they temporarily cannot give the service (and no mention of when this will be fixed, or whether this is a simple scheduled downtime, or what). --guy ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
Quoting Gilboa Davara, from the post of Wed, 11 Feb: On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote: I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope. Now I can finally remove ies4linux! I think we should send them a really fancy letter with a few dozen signatures, saying thanks for finally fixing it. I'm not cynical. they got nags and negative rap from us all the years, they need to get appreciation too. Newspaper reporters and people who bump into FOSS zealots in Ynet talkbacks usually (understandably) see us as a bunch of complaining elitist techno-snobs. I say we should show our other side and give some kudos once in a while when someone does the RIGHT thing. (In other words, they think we are Hammas, we need to show them we are not even Fatah, maybe Hadash at worst :-) Even if it's late and partial, we can send them positive remarks for congratulating them on how far they've come instead of only (or first) complaining about what still needs to be done. So how about if a bunch of us write Leumi some thank you notes, or send them a big fancy Thank you kind of thing with 30 signatures, so they can frame and hang on their wall, and later we could get companies to get their sites corrected and we better rap in the press. We can even join hands the some computer usability SIG or ISOC, ILA or some adult computer literacy NGO that was helped by this. We should try to try and make it a bigger, more impressive gesture. Is it corny? - sure, CEOs love corny... Is it a bit kitch and looks a little out of integrity? - Could be, but the long-term benefits are effective dialogs with the next businesses that run broken sites. - Ideally, In time, such endoresment might be actually catch on, and since Hamakor won't be selling them for kickbacks, companies will actually have to fix sites to get one :-) Anyone cares to take this further? Ori Idan, are you doing any PR of this kind today? Ira. (and, as if often does, my random sig pulls out a bull's eye :-) -- Service with a Smile Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
Quoting Oren Held, from the post of Thu, 12 Feb: (can't send SMS, can't read perut sichot on orange-bill). See what they wrote me a few weeks ago: http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/19 well, I didn't test it thoroughly... 2. Clalit doesn't work, it's been discussed here on the list only a few days ago. Even the Contact Us link on the login page fails. (https://e- services.clalit.org.il/login/main.aspx) Did I imagine it? I could awear it worked two weeks ago... I'll try again. Anyway, the point is my previews reply to the thread. Nighty night! -- We can work it out. Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
Quoting Ira Abramov, from the post of Thu, 12 Feb: 2. Clalit doesn't work, it's been discussed here on the list only a few days ago. Even the Contact Us link on the login page fails. (https://e- services.clalit.org.il/login/main.aspx) Did I imagine it? I could awear it worked two weeks ago... I'll try again. very strange, this error message is a new one for me :-) the main frame in that page: Redirect Loop Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. The browser has stopped trying to retrieve the requested item. The site is redirecting the request in a way that will never complete. And write us opens a new tab to http://www.clalit.org.il/HE-IL/contactus and I get 404. hmm... Question: if a website crashes in the middle of the night and there are no support people to roll in the crash cart, will anyone hear it play C:\WINNT\Media\Windows 2003 Critical Stop.wav to call the nurse, or does it wait till morning for the doctors' rounds? -- Court-appointed penguin Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Elections and Firefox
This is supposed to be the page showing the results in Modiin where I live: I only see the layout but no data when using with Firefox 3.0.6 http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections18/heb/results/ballot_results.aspx?city=1200 Gabor http://szabgab.com/blog.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Elections and Firefox
Hi Gabor,
It worked fine in
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; he; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4
yesterday. Today it is not working.
More disturbingly, Firefox can't tell me who won, not even the Hebrew
localized version.
Regards,
- yba
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Gabor Szabo wrote:
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:29:11 +0200
From: Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com
To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Elections and Firefox
This is supposed to be the page showing the results in Modiin where I live:
I only see the layout but no data when using with Firefox 3.0.6
http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections18/heb/results/ballot_results.aspx?city=1200
Gabor
http://szabgab.com/blog.html
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