Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Dotan Cohen]

2011/3/14 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda :
> Thanks for the explanation, I now understand I did not fully grasp the term
> before. Given your explanation, I agree that מימוש יחוס encapsulates the
> full meaning. Like נקודת ייחוס or מישור ייחוס.
>

I agree with Orna on this, exactly for the same reasons. I also
thought of מישור ייחוס when the term was mentioned by Oron.

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:

> On Monday 14 March 2011 18:26:00 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 09:26, Elazar Leibovich 
> wrote:
> > > http://bitorama.com/
> >
> > Thanks, I'll browse there every now and then.
> >
> > > 2011/3/14 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 
> > >
> > >> MIMOOSH LEDUGMA?
> > >
> > > It sounds to me as, "an implementation for example", which is very
> > > different from "the reference implementation".
> >
> > I agree, it does not sound authoritative.
> >
> > > It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש
> > > יעץ).
> > >
> > > I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes
> > > if they hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH"
> > > for the sake of your audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew
> > > "word" ... :)
> >
> > Thanks, where did you come across that? Is there a technical
> > dictionary?
> >
> > > It should be "MIMUSH REFERENCE" (מימוש רפרנס)- not "REFERENCE
> > > MIMUSH" (רפרנס מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is
> > > reversed.
> >
> > Thanks, Shlomi.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:44, Oron Peled  wrote:
> > > On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:
> > >> I'm not a linguist either, but what about
> > >> מימוש סמך
> > >
> > > לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.
>
> I think these are a bit off the mark, and that the reason for this is
> that the meaning of the term hasn't been defined in this thread. My
> reasoning is as follows:
>
> A pupose or goal has been defined, a broad method has been defined for
> achieving this purpose. The method can be IMPLEMENTED in any number of
> different ways, not all of which may have been defined (or even
> imagined) as yet, but there is an implementation which has been made,
> and its characteristics have been measured and defined. It is then the
> REFERENCE against which other implementations, when they are reduced to
> practice, will be compared. It is the REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION because
> it is the one to which we will REFER in discussion of, e.g. plusses and
> minusses.
>
> I don't think any of the proposed translations fit that meaning of the
> original term.
>
>
Thanks for the explanation, I now understand I did not fully grasp the term
before. Given your explanation, I agree that מימוש יחוס encapsulates the
full meaning. Like נקודת ייחוס or מישור ייחוס.


>
> > Thanks, I like that. Actually, I will use that translation even if HP
> > used a half-English breed. I hate with a passion half-English. My
> > daughters wear "namnemot" to sleep, and they like to put together
> > "tatzrefim".
> >
> > > I should note that there's a mailing list on YahooGroups for
> > > Hebrew->* and *-
> > >
> > >>Hebrew translators:
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hebtranslators/
> > >
> > > It's very active, but not exclusive to computer terms (which I
> > > happen to like).
> >
> > Thank you Shlomi, that looks terrific! I am signing up.
>
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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Stan Goodman]

On Monday 14 March 2011 18:26:00 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 09:26, Elazar Leibovich  
wrote:
> > http://bitorama.com/
> 
> Thanks, I'll browse there every now and then.
> 
> > 2011/3/14 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 
> > 
> >> MIMOOSH LEDUGMA?
> > 
> > It sounds to me as, "an implementation for example", which is very
> > different from "the reference implementation".
> 
> I agree, it does not sound authoritative.
> 
> > It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש
> > יעץ).
> > 
> > I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes
> > if they hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH"
> > for the sake of your audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew
> > "word" ... :)
> 
> Thanks, where did you come across that? Is there a technical
> dictionary?
> 
> > It should be "MIMUSH REFERENCE" (מימוש רפרנס)- not "REFERENCE
> > MIMUSH" (רפרנס מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is
> > reversed.
> 
> Thanks, Shlomi.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:44, Oron Peled  wrote:
> > On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:
> >> I'm not a linguist either, but what about
> >> מימוש סמך
> > 
> > לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.

I think these are a bit off the mark, and that the reason for this is 
that the meaning of the term hasn't been defined in this thread. My 
reasoning is as follows:

A pupose or goal has been defined, a broad method has been defined for 
achieving this purpose. The method can be IMPLEMENTED in any number of 
different ways, not all of which may have been defined (or even 
imagined) as yet, but there is an implementation which has been made, 
and its characteristics have been measured and defined. It is then the 
REFERENCE against which other implementations, when they are reduced to 
practice, will be compared. It is the REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION because 
it is the one to which we will REFER in discussion of, e.g. plusses and 
minusses.

I don't think any of the proposed translations fit that meaning of the 
original term.

 
> Thanks, I like that. Actually, I will use that translation even if HP
> used a half-English breed. I hate with a passion half-English. My
> daughters wear "namnemot" to sleep, and they like to put together
> "tatzrefim".
> 
> > I should note that there's a mailing list on YahooGroups for
> > Hebrew->* and *-
> > 
> >>Hebrew translators:
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hebtranslators/
> > 
> > It's very active, but not exclusive to computer terms (which I
> > happen to like).
> 
> Thank you Shlomi, that looks terrific! I am signing up.

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Dotan Cohen]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 09:26, Elazar Leibovich  wrote:
> http://bitorama.com/
>

Thanks, I'll browse there every now and then.

> 2011/3/14 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 
>>
>> MIMOOSH LEDUGMA?
>>
> It sounds to me as, "an implementation for example", which is very different
> from "the reference implementation".
>

I agree, it does not sound authoritative.


> It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש יעץ).
>
> I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes if they
> hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH" for the sake of your
> audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew "word" ... :)
>

Thanks, where did you come across that? Is there a technical dictionary?


> It should be "MIMUSH REFERENCE" (מימוש רפרנס)- not "REFERENCE MIMUSH" (רפרנס
> מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is reversed.
>

Thanks, Shlomi.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:44, Oron Peled  wrote:
> On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:
>> I'm not a linguist either, but what about
>> מימוש סמך
>
> לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.
>

Thanks, I like that. Actually, I will use that translation even if HP
used a half-English breed. I hate with a passion half-English. My
daughters wear "namnemot" to sleep, and they like to put together
"tatzrefim".

> I should note that there's a mailing list on YahooGroups for Hebrew->* and *-
>>Hebrew translators:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hebtranslators/
>
> It's very active, but not exclusive to computer terms (which I happen to
> like).

Thank you Shlomi, that looks terrific! I am signing up.


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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Moish]

On 14/03/2011 16:13, Uri Bruck wrote:

On 03/14/2011 03:04 PM, Uri Bruck wrote:


On 03/14/2011 11:44 AM, Oron Peled wrote:

On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:

I'm not a linguist either, but what about
מימוש סמך

לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.


שניהם נשמעים טוב.
.


בין שניהם הייתי בוחר  מימוש יחוס





אני מציע יישום מוצא או יישום מוסמך או יישום תקני
למילה סמך יש משמעות שונה לחלוטין ומימוש אינו תרגום מדויק , אם בכלל

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Uri Bruck]

On 03/14/2011 03:04 PM, Uri Bruck wrote:

> On 03/14/2011 11:44 AM, Oron Peled wrote:
>> On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:
>>> I'm not a linguist either, but what about
>>> מימוש סמך
>> לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.
>>
> שניהם נשמעים טוב.
> .

בין שניהם הייתי בוחר  מימוש יחוס

>
>


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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Shlomi Fish]

On Sunday 13 Mar 2011 11:37:10 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
> 
> Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
> reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?

I should note that there's a mailing list on YahooGroups for Hebrew->* and *-
>Hebrew translators:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hebtranslators/

It's very active, but not exclusive to computer terms (which I happen to 
like).

Regards,

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Uri Bruck]

On 03/14/2011 11:44 AM, Oron Peled wrote:
> On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:
>> I'm not a linguist either, but what about
>> מימוש סמך
> לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.
>
שניהם נשמעים טוב.
בין שניהם הייתי בוחר על מימוש יחוס.



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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Oron Peled]

On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote:
> I'm not a linguist either, but what about
> מימוש סמך

לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס.

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Robert Wallner]

I'm not a linguist either, but what about
מימוש סמך

2011/3/14 shimi :
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Shlomi Fish  wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 14 Mar 2011 10:10:50 shimi wrote:
>> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen 
>> > wrote:
>> > > How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
>> > > reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
>> >
>> > It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש יעץ).
>> >
>> > I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes if
>> > they
>> > hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH" for the sake of
>> > your audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew "word" ... :)
>> >
>>
>> It should be "MIMUSH REFERENCE" (מימוש רפרנס)- not "REFERENCE MIMUSH"
>> (רפרנס
>> מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is reversed.
>>
>> I had similar qualms about the Hebrew translators of Harry Potter calling
>> "mudblood" "BOC-DAM" (בוץ-דם) instead of "DAM-BOC" (דם-בוץ).
>>
>
> The difference is that your HP translations are of the full term, from full
> English, to full Hebrew. While in our case it is 50-50. I am not sure the
> rules apply in our case, however I am not a linguist... I am not sure what
> "sounds better". To be honest, at first I wrote it your way, and only then
> decided to reverse the order...
>
> But let's let Dotan decide, unless Ruvik Rosenthal is by any chance a member
> of this group ;)
>
> -- Shimi
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Re: Need help to setup service for live video camera

[Boris shtrasman]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47, David Harel  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for a recommendation on how to provide live video streaming
> from one or more video cameras to several viewers on the web.
>
>

if you don't need the audio stream :
motion and zoneMinder are a good start (simple and foss).

The cameras IP address should be kept secretive.
>

hiding an ip will not help , you need to use some sort of vpn  if there is
anything important ,


The service should support one or more video cameras.
> The end user should be able to select the desired camera (maybe using
> different URLs).
> The end user should be authenticated.
>
> The end user interface should be similar to Israel National Road Company
>
> http://www.iroads.co.il/MazInternet/General/Pages/frmInnerPage.aspx?strLocation=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iroads.co.il%2FMazInternet%2FDriversInfo%2FPages%2FfrmCamera.aspx&MenuCode=SM1_3&PageID=0
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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[shimi]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> On Monday 14 Mar 2011 10:10:50 shimi wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen 
> wrote:
> > > How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
> > > reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
> >
> > It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש יעץ).
> >
> > I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes if
> they
> > hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH" for the sake of
> > your audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew "word" ... :)
> >
>
> It should be "MIMUSH REFERENCE" (מימוש רפרנס)- not "REFERENCE MIMUSH"
> (רפרנס
> מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is reversed.
>
> I had similar qualms about the Hebrew translators of Harry Potter calling
> "mudblood" "BOC-DAM" (בוץ-דם) instead of "DAM-BOC" (דם-בוץ).
>
>
The difference is that your HP translations are of the full term, from full
English, to full Hebrew. While in our case it is 50-50. I am not sure the
rules apply in our case, however I am not a linguist... I am not sure what
"sounds better". To be honest, at first I wrote it your way, and only then
decided to reverse the order...

But let's let Dotan decide, unless Ruvik Rosenthal is by any chance a member
of this group ;)

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Shlomi Fish]

On Monday 14 Mar 2011 10:10:50 shimi wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> > How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
> > 
> > Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
> > reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
> 
> It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש יעץ).
> 
> I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes if they
> hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH" for the sake of
> your audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew "word" ... :)
> 

It should be "MIMUSH REFERENCE" (מימוש רפרנס)- not "REFERENCE MIMUSH" (רפרנס 
מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is reversed. 

I had similar qualms about the Hebrew translators of Harry Potter calling 
"mudblood" "BOC-DAM" (בוץ-דם) instead of "DAM-BOC" (דם-בוץ).

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[shimi]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
>
> Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
> reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
>
>
It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש יעץ).

I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes if they
hear these words. I would stick with "REFERENCE MIMUSH" for the sake of your
audience. "Reference" is a common Hebrew "word" ... :)

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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Elazar Leibovich]

It sounds to me as, "an implementation for example", which is very different
from "*the* reference implementation".

2011/3/14 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 

> MIMOOSH LEDUGMA?
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
>>
>> Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
>> reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
>>
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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

MIMOOSH LEDUGMA?

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
>
> Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
> reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
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Re: How to say "reference implementation"?

[Elazar Leibovich]

http://bitorama.com/ 

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.
>
> Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
> reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://gibberish.co.il
> http://what-is-what.com
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How to say "reference implementation"?

[Dotan Cohen]

How does one say "reference implementation" in Hebrew? Thanks.

Bunos points: what Hegrw-language slashdot-type websites should I be
reading regularly to be exposed to such terms?

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http://gibberish.co.il
http://what-is-what.com

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