Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: > > xterm. > > > > Both gnome and kde are just too bloated, when you run many xterms, > > and one or two "other" programs. > > > > WindowMaker is actually optimized for this mode of operation > > Can you give more details in what sense (does WindowMaker actually > optimized for this mode of operation)? WindowMaker's dock allows you to easily run a program in a certain desktop. This is actually great if you want to have a desktop that is for running a number of applications. For instance, when I needed to set up a desktop with games for my nephews, this is what I chose: Then know that to run a ame then double-click on the game's icon, and its window pops up (no matter whether or not it was running). Make sure you lock the icons before you let the kids play with them, though... As for me, my current favorite is IceWM, becxause it is light-weight, and because it doesn't take much time to set-up a very functional working environment. It is not as configurable as fvwm, but somehow it seems to include almost 95% of the functionality I currently believe I need, with around an hour of tweaking (around 80% out-of-the-box) It also has good handling of window positions, if you work with multiple xterms. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:37:19AM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > My desktop environment management is: > > - > > 1. Only KDE. > > 2. I prefer KDE. > > 3. Both. > > 4. I prefer Gnome. > > 5. Only Gnome. > > 0. None. > > 0 > > > > > Reasons (please check all that apply): > > -- > > A. Better Hebrew support. > > B. Licensing. > > C1. Similarity to Windows GUI. > > C2. Difference from Windows GUI. > > D. My company/organization dictates/recommends this desktop. > > E1. This is the only desktop coming with my distribution. > > E2. This is the default desktop that my distribution offers. > > E3. This is the desktop that is best supported by my distribution. > > F. I use an application(s) that runs better under this desktop (please > > detail - which app). > > xterm. > > Both gnome and kde are just too bloated, when you run many xterms, > and one or two "other" programs. > > WindowMaker is actually optimized for this mode of operation Can you give more details in what sense (does WindowMaker actually optimized for this mode of operation)? > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Survey (was: article on ynet)
My desktop environment management is: - > > 1. Only KDE. > > 2. I prefer KDE. > > 3. Both. > > 4. I prefer Gnome. > > 5. Only Gnome. > > 0. None. > I assume (0. None) is Console mode: So it's 2 and 0 . Ran Zahor Ampersand Advise and Support Ltd. Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 10:05, Eli Marmor wrote: [snip] > Questions: > == > My desktop environment management is: > - > 1. Only KDE. > 2. I prefer KDE. > 3. Both. > 4. I prefer Gnome. > 5. Only Gnome. > 0. None. 1(+Icewm+Fluxbox) > Reasons (please check all that apply): > -- > A. Better Hebrew support. > B. Licensing. > C1. Similarity to Windows GUI. > C2. Difference from Windows GUI. > D. My company/organization dictates/recommends this desktop. > E1. This is the only desktop coming with my distribution. > E2. This is the default desktop that my distribution offers. > E3. This is the desktop that is best supported by my distribution. > F. I use an application(s) that runs better under this desktop (please > detail - which app). > G1. Historical reasons. > G2. I've got used to this desktop. > G3. I have a lot of existing configurations/customizations for this > desktop, and/or existing investments. > H. Another reason (PLEASE DETAIL) G2, G3 > If you feel that you can answer this survey only partially, please do > it; I prefer partial answers over no answers at all. > > Thanks! -- David Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evolution 1.2.0 in Libranet 2.7 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
== My desktop environment management is: - 1. Only KDE. 2. I prefer KDE. 3. Both. 4. I prefer Gnome. 5. Only Gnome. 0. None. 4 Reasons (please check all that apply): -- A. Better Hebrew support. B. Licensing. C1. Similarity to Windows GUI. C2. Difference from Windows GUI. D. My company/organization dictates/recommends this desktop. E1. This is the only desktop coming with my distribution. E2. This is the default desktop that my distribution offers. E3. This is the desktop that is best supported by my distribution. F. I use an application(s) that runs better under this desktop (please detail - which app). G1. Historical reasons. G2. I've got used to this desktop. G3. I have a lot of existing configurations/customizations for this desktop, and/or existing investments. H. Another reason (PLEASE DETAIL) C2 and H: It is just a pleasanter to work with, and has much less annoyances then KDE. I still use KDe apps here and there for the better Hebrew support- but once gnome apps get that better support (with the new version of qt maybe?) I am hoping to dump them altogether and get KDe off my machine (not much HD space...) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
On 2003-01-14 Eli Marmor wrote: > Just to clarify: > > The meaning of the answer "None" included "other". OK :) See below for my survey answers <<1>> my home machine: > My desktop environment management is: 0: None/Other (fvwm2) > Reasons (please check all that apply): G2: I've got used to this desktop. G3: I have a lot of existing configurations/customizations for this desktop, and/or existing investments. H: Another reason (PLEASE DETAIL): It lets me do most of what I want, and all my personal configuration settings are in one single file that I can easily understand, easily modify (even without GUI), easily take with me to another machine, etc. I makes me feel I am in control of the machine... (as opposed to kde/* of .gnome/* trees which I am (not yet) able to grasp). Also, it lets me do things that I don't know how to do in KDE/Gnome (even though I'm sure it's possible). for example, I created a button to start an xterm without borders (HandleWidth=0), so that it is, in effect a true fullscreen xterm. something I cannot achieve with Konsole right now.. <<2>> my machine at work > My desktop environment management is: 2: I prefer KDE. > Reasons (please check all that apply): H: Another reason (PLEASE DETAIL) I'm not sure why.. maybe because I want to spend less time configuring it than my home machine, and the default KDE settings are more convenient when I don't want to waste time with ti. Never used gnome for a long time, usually I get stuck in the beginning, maybe it's not intuitive enough for me. I do use gnome apps, of course. <<3>> machines I installed for my family > My desktop environment management is: 2: I prefer KDE. > Reasons (please check all that apply): C1: Similarity to Windows GUI. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
Christoph Bugel wrote: > > On 2003-01-14 Eli Marmor wrote: > > My desktop environment management is: > > - > > 1. Only KDE. > > 2. I prefer KDE. > > 3. Both. > > 4. I prefer Gnome. > > 5. Only Gnome. > > 0. None. > > Wait! As an fvwm2 user (at home) I feel this survey is 'offensive' > There is no right answer for me.. If I answer 'None', I am actually > saying that 'fvwm2 is not a desktop environment'. Not that I fell > stringly one way or another, but why force me make a statement on > that.. > > I am sure this is an oversight, please add an option for 'Other'. > (just a guy who was bitten too often by annoying surveys) Just to clarify: The meaning of the answer "None" included "other". The question was, in other words (see answer 1-5) "KDE or GNOME?", so the answer "None" means "none of the both". Which means 2 different options: "3rd one" or "none at all". Sorry if this was not clear enough! In any case, there is no intention to find the most popular window manager, and in addition - many GNOME users use various window managers. -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
Eli Marmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If there will be enough answers, and they will make sense, I'll publish > a summary. I ask in advance, that when such a summary is published, > please don't take it's results as a proof for anything, and don't > conclude that one product is superior. > > Disclaimer: I must admit that I have no opinion or idea what desktop is > better; Otherwise, maybe I would not publish such a survey... ;-) I don't have an opinion either, and I don't mind being public. Counting my two machines at home and my workstation at work, I guess I control 3 machines. My answers are for all the 3. > Questions: > == > My desktop environment management is: > - > 1. Only KDE. > 2. I prefer KDE. > 3. Both. > 4. I prefer Gnome. > 5. Only Gnome. > 0. None. Here I have a problem. Nominally, I am a KDE user, because that's what starts up when I log in. I also configure look-and-feel and windows behaviour and the KDE Panel etc via the KDE control center. However, I don't use any KDE or GNOME app on a regular basis (XEmacs, plain old xterm, Mozilla most often as my browser). I have used various KDE and GNOME apps when I needed them on occasion, but normally none of them is present on my desktop. So I am somewhere between 1 and 0 here. You decide. > > Reasons (please check all that apply): > -- > A. Better Hebrew support. > B. Licensing. > C1. Similarity to Windows GUI. > C2. Difference from Windows GUI. > D. My company/organization dictates/recommends this desktop. > E1. This is the only desktop coming with my distribution. > E2. This is the default desktop that my distribution offers. > E3. This is the desktop that is best supported by my distribution. > F. I use an application(s) that runs better under this desktop (please > detail - which app). > G1. Historical reasons. > G2. I've got used to this desktop. > G3. I have a lot of existing configurations/customizations for this > desktop, and/or existing investments. > H. Another reason (PLEASE DETAIL) I guess G1 and G2 (and they imply G3 - I know how to configure stuff in KDE because I have been using it for quite a while) apply. None of the others do. When RH came out with GNOME, I tried it, but it slowed down my poor old Pentium noticeably. At about the same time someone showed me KDE, and I wasn't particularly impressed, thought tried it. I stayed with fvwm2 for quite a while since then, but at some point switched. KDE was less a resource hog than GNOME, and I didn't care that it was not GPLed as long as I could use it legally. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Taking any religion too seriously ... can be hazardous to your health." [Richard M. Stallman] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
Something that you left out of your survey: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote: > > p.s. > > I prefer GNOME over KDE- it has much less of the windows chunkiness > > that KDE has. > > With no intention to raise a religious war, just for curiousity > purposes, I want you to answer the following survey. You can send your > responses personally to my private e-mail, if you prefer. If you are > responsible for a class of computers, or for many installations, you > may detail (i.e. I'm responsible for 12 Linuxes; 4 of them: Answer 1, > because of Reason A. 4 of them: Answer 5, because of Reason B. 4 of > them: Answer 0). > > If there will be enough answers, and they will make sense, I'll publish > a summary. I ask in advance, that when such a summary is published, > please don't take it's results as a proof for anything, and don't > conclude that one product is superior. > > Disclaimer: I must admit that I have no opinion or idea what desktop is > better; Otherwise, maybe I would not publish such a survey... ;-) > > Questions: > == > My desktop environment management is: > - > 1. Only KDE. > 2. I prefer KDE. > 3. Both. > 4. I prefer Gnome. > 5. Only Gnome. > 0. None. 0 > > Reasons (please check all that apply): > -- > A. Better Hebrew support. > B. Licensing. > C1. Similarity to Windows GUI. > C2. Difference from Windows GUI. > D. My company/organization dictates/recommends this desktop. > E1. This is the only desktop coming with my distribution. > E2. This is the default desktop that my distribution offers. > E3. This is the desktop that is best supported by my distribution. > F. I use an application(s) that runs better under this desktop (please > detail - which app). xterm. Both gnome and kde are just too bloated, when you run many xterms, and one or two "other" programs. WindowMaker is actually optimized for this mode of operation (no, this is not what I use) > G1. Historical reasons. > G2. I've got used to this desktop. > G3. I have a lot of existing configurations/customizations for this > desktop, and/or existing investments. > H. Another reason (PLEASE DETAIL) > > If you feel that you can answer this survey only partially, please do > it; I prefer partial answers over no answers at all. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey (was: article on ynet)
On 2003-01-14 Eli Marmor wrote: > My desktop environment management is: > - > 1. Only KDE. > 2. I prefer KDE. > 3. Both. > 4. I prefer Gnome. > 5. Only Gnome. > 0. None. Wait! As an fvwm2 user (at home) I feel this survey is 'offensive' There is no right answer for me.. If I answer 'None', I am actually saying that 'fvwm2 is not a desktop environment'. Not that I fell stringly one way or another, but why force me make a statement on that.. I am sure this is an oversight, please add an option for 'Other'. (just a guy who was bitten too often by annoying surveys) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
