Re: Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client]
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > > Your answer take me to the next Q. > > Its time for me to expand my knowledge toward one of the programing language, > > and Im thinking what shell I learn C or C++. > > If it's you first programming language, both are pretty awful choices. Try > starting off with a more friendly language, like Python. True, you won't > be able to write devicxe drivers, but device drivers are not a trivial > first programming exercise, either. > Alternatively, take the openu C course (20386). I believe it will take you far away then many other options - As far as I know K&R book is still highly considered. (provided, of course that you will learn it seriously.) > There's a very good Python tutorial on www.python.org, but it's not suited > toward people who have not programmed before. OIn the other hand, a short > search there would probably lead you to Alan Gauld's tutorial, which is > supposed to be very good. > > -- > Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html > http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [00:41:32 /tmp]$ echo; zgrep -A15 Introduction \ > /usr/share/doc/autoconf/autoconf.html.gz | tail -n12 A physicist, an engineer, and a computer scientist were discussing the nature of God. Surely a Physicist, said the physicist, because early in the Creation, God made Light; and you know, Maxwell's equations, the dual nature of electro-magnetic waves, the relativist consequences... An Engineer!, said the engineer, because before making Light, God split the Chaos into Land and Water; it takes a hell of an engineer to handle that big amount of mud, and orderly separation of solids from liquids... The computer scientist shouted: And the Chaos, where do you think it was coming from, hmm? ---Anonymous [00:41:36 /tmp]$ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Quoth Geoffrey S. Mendelson on Tue, Apr 18, 2000: > How about RH 6.2? (I have the CD's, and Vadik knows where I live). No, thanks. We've got RedHat here. > While IMHO Rh 6.1 should have been called the "get something out quick > to impress the stock market" release, 6.2 is pretty nice and stable. Relatively, maybe. There are lots of problems with it. > I've been running one machine here since I was able to download it and > it's worked pretty well. Well, you even managed to make NT relatively stable. Vadik. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Have you had any problems with 6.1? I haven't seen any problems with > 6.0, but maybe I don't run the right apps... 6.1 has an NFS problem when trying to access older (4.?) systems with multiple exports, i.e / and /home on different file systems. It's fixed in 6.2, but the NFS RPM's are too difficult to install. Between 6.1 and 6.2 there's a whole lot of authentication stuff that affects everything. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson Tel: (03) 6944-211 Fax: (03) 6944-225 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While IMHO Rh 6.1 should have been called the "get something out quick > to impress the stock market" release, 6.2 is pretty nice and stable. > I've been running one machine here since I was able to download it and > it's worked pretty well. Have you had any problems with 6.1? I haven't seen any problems with 6.0, but maybe I don't run the right apps... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | BLOOMBERG L.P. (BFM) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft; And wit depends on dilatory time." - W. Shakespeare. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Vadik, (and list) > BTW, do you, or anyone else on this list who spends some of his > or her time in Jerusalem, have Debian i386 stable CDs? How about RH 6.2? (I have the CD's, and Vadik knows where I live). While IMHO Rh 6.1 should have been called the "get something out quick to impress the stock market" release, 6.2 is pretty nice and stable. I've been running one machine here since I was able to download it and it's worked pretty well. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson Tel: (03) 6944-211 Fax: (03) 6944-225 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Debian? returning to your sources?:) I can download it for you ofcourse.. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Vadim Vygonets wrote: | Quoth Alex Shnitman on Mon, Apr 17, 2000: | > Hi, Vadim! | | Hi there.The trademark 'Guinness' comes to mind for some reason. | | > On Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 06:16:42PM +0300, you wrote the following: | | Yes, I did. | | > > Can lftp do PASV FTP?Because last time I checked (a year ago, | > > probably) it couldn't. | > | > It can, just put "set ftp:passive-mode on" in your config file (either | > /etc/lftp.conf or ~/.lftp/rc). | | Oh, thanks.It seems like I missed it completely, expecting to | find this option as a simple command.Stupid me. | | > "I may not understand what I'm installing, but that's not my job. I | > just need to click Next, Next, Finish here so I can walk to the next | > system and repeat the process" | >-- Anonymous NT Admin | | Nice one.Reminds me of RPM. | | BTW, do you, or anyone else on this list who spends some of his | or her time in Jerusalem, have Debian i386 stable CDs?Because | I'm a little tiny bit over the edge with Mandrake, GODDAMN THE | MOTHERFSCKER WHO CREATED IT MY GHOD I HATE IT!!!Ahem. Sorry. | And, for various reasons, the machine has to be Linux, so Debian | seems like the obvious choice. | | Vadik. | | -- | To the systems programmer, users and applications serve only to | provide a test load. | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sure it can I always use it set ftp:passive on Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Vadim Vygonets wrote: | Quoth Hetz Ben Hamo on Fri, Apr 14, 2000: | > Ah, this is simple: lftp (also called leech FTP) | > | > I haven't seen anything better. This is something I definately | > recommend. | | Can lftp do PASV FTP?Because last time I checked (a year ago, | probably) it couldn't. | | Vadik. | | -- | A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into | superstition, and art into pedantry.Hence University education. | -- G. B. Shaw | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quoth Omer Mussaev on Tue, Apr 18, 2000: > Vadim Vygonets wrote: > > Nice one. Reminds me of RPM. > > Vadik, behave. No dirty words:)) Oh. Right. It's a public forum, there are ladies here, and I shouldn't talk about RP Ouch! I won't. > Debian 2.1 is pretty old. So? If it's stable and modern enough (i.e., supports IPv4), I can use it. If I need a newer version of some package, I can upgrade it from unstable or compile it myself. > Do yourself a favour - plug a comp in, get installation > diskettes and let it apt. Debian is so good, you even do not have > to worry:) True enough. Unlike at home, I have a proper Net connection at work. > Debian 2.2 is in freeze now, this means that in 2 months or so it > will be available on CDs. 'Real Soon Now[tm]' is not a concept that Debian people understand literally. I'd give them six months or so. Vadik. -- Yes, you can get an account if you promise not to wear ties anymore. -- Unknown sysadmin, 1998-10-27. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Vadim Vygonets wrote: .. > > Nice one. Reminds me of RPM. Vadik, behave. No dirty words:)) > BTW, do you, or anyone else on this list who spends some of his > or her time in Jerusalem, have Debian i386 stable CDs? Because > I'm a little tiny bit over the edge with Mandrake, GODDAMN THE > MOTHERFSCKER WHO CREATED IT MY GHOD I HATE IT!!! Ahem. Sorry. > And, for various reasons, the machine has to be Linux, so Debian > seems like the obvious choice. :) Debian 2.1 is pretty old. While Debian is better than any other distribution (well, Debian and Slackware are the only usable distributions I ever used, but Debian is better, IMHO, than Slackware). Do yourself a favour - plug a comp in, get installation diskettes and let it apt. Debian is so good, you even do not have to worry:) Debian 2.2 is in freeze now, this means that in 2 months or so it will be available on CDs. -- --- Omer Mussaev mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 051-308-214 http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~omer = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Quoth Alex Shnitman on Mon, Apr 17, 2000: > Hi, Vadim! Hi there. The trademark 'Guinness' comes to mind for some reason. > On Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 06:16:42PM +0300, you wrote the following: Yes, I did. > > Can lftp do PASV FTP? Because last time I checked (a year ago, > > probably) it couldn't. > > It can, just put "set ftp:passive-mode on" in your config file (either > /etc/lftp.conf or ~/.lftp/rc). Oh, thanks. It seems like I missed it completely, expecting to find this option as a simple command. Stupid me. > "I may not understand what I'm installing, but that's not my job. I > just need to click Next, Next, Finish here so I can walk to the next > system and repeat the process" > -- Anonymous NT Admin Nice one. Reminds me of RPM. BTW, do you, or anyone else on this list who spends some of his or her time in Jerusalem, have Debian i386 stable CDs? Because I'm a little tiny bit over the edge with Mandrake, GODDAMN THE MOTHERFSCKER WHO CREATED IT MY GHOD I HATE IT!!! Ahem. Sorry. And, for various reasons, the machine has to be Linux, so Debian seems like the obvious choice. Vadik. -- To the systems programmer, users and applications serve only to provide a test load. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Hi, Vadim! On Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 06:16:42PM +0300, you wrote the following: > > Ah, this is simple: lftp (also called leech FTP) > > > > I haven't seen anything better. This is something I definately > > recommend. > > Can lftp do PASV FTP? Because last time I checked (a year ago, > probably) it couldn't. It can, just put "set ftp:passive-mode on" in your config file (either /etc/lftp.conf or ~/.lftp/rc). -- Alex Shnitman| http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--- http://alexsh.hectic.netUIN 188956PGP key on web page E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA "I may not understand what I'm installing, but that's not my job. I just need to click Next, Next, Finish here so I can walk to the next system and repeat the process" -- Anonymous NT Admin = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Quoth Hetz Ben Hamo on Fri, Apr 14, 2000: > Ah, this is simple: lftp (also called leech FTP) > > I haven't seen anything better. This is something I definately > recommend. Can lftp do PASV FTP? Because last time I checked (a year ago, probably) it couldn't. Vadik. -- A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and art into pedantry. Hence University education. -- G. B. Shaw = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client]
Quoth Ben-Nes Michael on Sun, Apr 16, 2000: > and Im thinking what shell I learn C or C++. Bourne. Vadik. -- The reader this message encounters not failing to understand is cursed. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client]
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:16:59 +0200 > To: crisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ILUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Ben-Nes Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client] > > Your answer take me to the next Q. > Its time for me to expand my knowledge toward one of the programing > language, > and Im thinking what shell I learn C or C++. > > I want to be able to write drivers, develope, hack here and there and > blha blha > blha > > What is the list opinion about what language is more preferable ? english. No, seriously. All programming languages are same, more or less. So if I will say that most of such is done in C, will it really help? In case it will (just in case): C. But it won't be enough to know C to be able to "rewrite kernel in your sleep". if (! op = kalloc(sizeof (struct opinion))) goto out ; My opinion says: If you are asking which lang is best, you are in trouble. So get yourself out of trouble. Grab a copy of ESR's Hackers Howto http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Learn 2 completely unrelated laguages, like (for example) C and scheme. Or java and PostScript. Try to think PostScript while in C and vice versa. Then read all books you find in sillabi. Then dive into deep waters. .. .. .. Now, that's my more or less my way to write drivers and hack here and there. I do not think it's the easiest or best way to do. Maybe it wont even work for other people. However, I think that the badly needed thing to do is knoledge how to enter "deep hack mode" and how to exit it. :out best regards and good luck:) > -- > Canaan Surfing Ltd. > Internet Service Providers > Ben-Nes Michael - Manager > Tel: 972-6-6925757 > Fax: 972-6-6925858 > http://www.canaan.co.il > -- -- --- Omer Mussaev mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 051-308-214 http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~omer = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Hi, Hetz! On Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 03:25:04PM +0200, you wrote the following: > Ah, this is simple: lftp (also called leech FTP) I agree -- this client is really amazing because it's so much shell-like. In what other client can you type something like this? -- (get file1.tar.gz; get file2.tar.gz) & ; more README -- Alex Shnitman| http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--- http://alexsh.hectic.netUIN 188956PGP key on web page E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service, which failed to start because of the following error: The operation completed successfully. -- Windows NT Server v3.51 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client]
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Your answer take me to the next Q. > Its time for me to expand my knowledge toward one of the programing language, > and Im thinking what shell I learn C or C++. If it's you first programming language, both are pretty awful choices. Try starting off with a more friendly language, like Python. True, you won't be able to write devicxe drivers, but device drivers are not a trivial first programming exercise, either. There's a very good Python tutorial on www.python.org, but it's not suited toward people who have not programmed before. OIn the other hand, a short search there would probably lead you to Alan Gauld's tutorial, which is supposed to be very good. -- Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client]
Hi, Ben-Nes! On Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 10:16:59AM +0200, you wrote the following: > Your answer take me to the next Q. > Its time for me to expand my knowledge toward one of the programing language, > and Im thinking what shell I learn C or C++. > > I want to be able to write drivers, develope, hack here and there and blha blha > blha > > What is the list opinion about what language is more preferable ? There's by far more software in C than in C++ (for Linux), so you should definitely start with C. Knowing C will also help you learn C++ in the future (the C++ syntax is (almost) a superset of C, so you'll have to learn only the syntax additions, and of course the OO philosophy). -- Alex Shnitman| http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--- http://alexsh.hectic.netUIN 188956PGP key on web page E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA "Xenix is the pinnacle of modern UNIX design, and will be used for many years to come." -- Xenix OS API manual = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prgoramin: was [Re: console ftp client]
Your answer take me to the next Q. Its time for me to expand my knowledge toward one of the programing language, and Im thinking what shell I learn C or C++. I want to be able to write drivers, develope, hack here and there and blha blha blha What is the list opinion about what language is more preferable ? crisk wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > > Hi > > > What is the best ftp client for console ? > > (need time wait before trying to reconnect & retry connect if connection > > cut in the middle) > > ncftp can reconnect w/ delay, no auto resume though unless you wrap it up > with some script. Personally I use a customized FTP client I wrote some > years ago -- I suggest you write such yourself (amazingly simple using perl > or python, even without the FTP modules both languages have). I know this > isn't the answer you want, but hey, this is Linux. If you need something > which does not exist yet, you write it yourself in virtually no time. > > -- crisk > >._ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ._/-==\\\ _ > |_.-`---^-._ > > Instructions for life: > 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can to > create a tranquil harmonious home. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-6-6925757 Fax: 972-6-6925858 http://www.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Hi > > What is the best ftp client for console ? > (need time wait before trying to reconnect & retry connect if connection > cut in the middle) There is an automounter map which lets you access anon-ftp as part of your file system (just like /net or /hosts for NFS). > > -- > -- > Canaan Surfing Ltd. > Internet Service Providers > Ben-Nes Michael - Manager > Tel: 972-6-6925757 > Fax: 972-6-6925858 > http://www.canaan.co.il > -- > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" inthe message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yaron. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
Ah, this is simple: lftp (also called leech FTP) Some of its features: * open multiple connections to get a file or a directory * resume - it will sit on a site and won't give up until you got the file or the directory * "multi thread" - use CTRL Z and bg commands INSIDE the client to grab another file or move to another directory or another file while downloading other files.. I haven't seen anything better. This is something I definately recommend. Hetz Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > Hi > > What is the best ftp client for console ? > (need time wait before trying to reconnect & retry connect if connection > cut in the middle) > > -- > -- > Canaan Surfing Ltd. > Internet Service Providers > Ben-Nes Michael - Manager > Tel: 972-6-6925757 > Fax: 972-6-6925858 > http://www.canaan.co.il > -- > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hetz Ben Hamo - Sys. Admin. - Intercomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Redmond, you have a problem.. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console ftp client
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Hi > What is the best ftp client for console ? > (need time wait before trying to reconnect & retry connect if connection > cut in the middle) ncftp can reconnect w/ delay, no auto resume though unless you wrap it up with some script. Personally I use a customized FTP client I wrote some years ago -- I suggest you write such yourself (amazingly simple using perl or python, even without the FTP modules both languages have). I know this isn't the answer you want, but hey, this is Linux. If you need something which does not exist yet, you write it yourself in virtually no time. -- crisk ._ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ._/-==\\\ _ |_.-`---^-._ Instructions for life: 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can to create a tranquil harmonious home. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
