Re: digital TV cards
if you are talking about SDTV, I would recommend the PVR series (MPEG2 in Hardware), and if you are planning to have 3, you could consider the PVR-500 which has 2 analogue inputs in one pci card. Ohad On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I'm planning to move from HOT to YES which means I'll have to replace 3 > analogue TV cards with digital cards. Does anyone on the list have good > experience with a CHEAP digital TV card that works properly in Linux and > YES? > My existing cards are no-name saa 7130 (if I remember correctly) and > work "out-of-the-box" in Mandriva. > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il > >
Re: digital TV cards
does receiving digital broadcast actually work with Yes? I was under the impression that it's all encrypted. how do you get past that? On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Ohad Levy wrote: > > if you are talking about SDTV, I would recommend the PVR series (MPEG2 in > Hardware), and if you are planning to have 3, you could consider the PVR-500 > which has 2 analogue inputs in one pci card. > > Ohad > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Shlomo Solomon > wrote: >> >> I'm planning to move from HOT to YES which means I'll have to replace 3 >> analogue TV cards with digital cards. Does anyone on the list have good >> experience with a CHEAP digital TV card that works properly in Linux and YES? >> My existing cards are no-name saa 7130 (if I remember correctly) and >> work "out-of-the-box" in Mandriva. >> >> -- >> Shlomo Solomon >> http://the-solomons.net >> Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 >> >> >> = >> To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with >> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >> echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il >> > = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:28PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I'm planning to move from HOT to YES which means I'll have to replace 3 analogue TV cards with digital cards. Does anyone on the list have good experience with a CHEAP digital TV card that works properly in Linux and YES? My existing cards are no-name saa 7130 (if I remember correctly) and work "out-of-the-box" in Mandriva. Why? YES's entire signals are encrypted, you have to user their decoder/receiver. If you want to watch/record 3 signals with YES, you will need three seperate receivers. The standard receivers support 16:9, but if you want HD, you have to rent another decoder (at 40 NIS a month). I looked at that almost 3 years ago and decided that a YES MAX was a better deal, augmented now with bit torrent and streaming video. YMMV. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
Firstly, thanks to Ohad, Dvir and Geoffrey for answering. Secondly, I see from all three answers that my question was mis-understood, so I'll re-phrase. If I move from HOT to YES, I want to continue watching TV on the computer screen using a Linux friendly TV card. I'm referring to 3 cards for 3 seperate computers (not 3 signals to be handled by 1 computer). I don't intend to do anything illegal (bypassing encryption) - I would have a YES "MEMIR" next to each computer and the TV card would be fed from the "MEMIR". Since my existing TV cards are analogue only (and include a tuner), I now plug them into the HOT antenna plug and they work out-of-the-box. But that's obviously not going to be the case with YES digital signals. So to summarize, I'm looking for CHEAP, Linux friendy, YES friendly digital TV cards that can connect to the YES "MEMIR" and provide a TV signal on my Linux computers. Tanks again -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
why not plug them to the A/V out of the yes box? that's how i watch TV on my machine. since you won't be able to tune anyway (apart from setting an IR device to control the yes box), why waste money on new cards? I doubt the quality difference is worth it. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > Firstly, thanks to Ohad, Dvir and Geoffrey for answering. > > Secondly, I see from all three answers that my question was mis-understood, so > I'll re-phrase. > > If I move from HOT to YES, I want to continue watching TV on the computer > screen using a Linux friendly TV card. I'm referring to 3 cards for 3 > seperate computers (not 3 signals to be handled by 1 computer). I don't > intend to do anything illegal (bypassing encryption) - I would have a > YES "MEMIR" next to each computer and the TV card would be fed from > the "MEMIR". Since my existing TV cards are analogue only (and include a > tuner), I now plug them into the HOT antenna plug and they work > out-of-the-box. But that's obviously not going to be the case with YES > digital signals. > > So to summarize, I'm looking for CHEAP, Linux friendy, YES friendly digital TV > cards that can connect to the YES "MEMIR" and provide a TV signal on my Linux > computers. > > Tanks again > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
The ideal case for you is to use a dvb-s/dvb-s2 card, a card reader and a YES smart card. you will not need an STB (memir) for this, and you get the digital signal with no quality loss. you will also probably be able to watch/record multiple programs with one dvb-s card if they share frequencies (both myth and vdr support that). i am not a YES subscriber, and i have never done that with YES, but i think i read about people which have done this. I don't know if there are legal issues here. but as i see it, you are not stealing if you have legit smart cards from YES. just beware that sattelite HD (dvb-s2) is in it's infancy under linux. I think it is was added to linux starting from 2.6.18 (or you'll need to patch the kernel) you will also need to the svn version of mythtv/vdr/whatever for dvb-s2. (political issues and a lot of ego posponed linux support of dvb-s2, about a year ...) I use dvb-s (SD) for few years now. works great (but not watching YES). i'm waiting there will be enough HD content, and better linux support before i buy an HD card (dvb-s2). cheers, erez.
Re: digital TV cards
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:44:44PM +0200, Erez D wrote: The ideal case for you is to use a dvb-s/dvb-s2 card, a card reader and a YES smart card. you will not need an STB (memir) for this, and you get the digital signal with no quality loss. you will also probably be able to watch/record multiple programs with one dvb-s card if they share frequencies (both myth and vdr support that). i am not a YES subscriber, and i have never done that with YES, but i think i read about people which have done this. AFAIK It won't work. YES uses NDS encryption, which is not supported by that type of hardware. There are companies that sell digital satellite packages to that do include encryption cards that allow you to provide your own hardware, but they don't sell to Israel. I don't know if YES program guides can be downloaded off of the Internet or not, the English ones can not. I don't know if there are legal issues here. but as i see it, you are not stealing if you have legit smart cards from YES. That's correct. But only with companies that let you use your own hardware. YES does not. BTW, if you want channels 1, 10,22,23,33 and 99, they may be available over the air as digital TV in April. I say may because when the Kenesset wanted to include channel 9 (Russian language Israeli commerical channel), both HOT and YES said they would go out of business if they did, they dropped it. Expect there to be legal challenges. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
On Saturday 27 December 2008, Dvir Volk wrote: > why not plug them to the A/V out of the yes box? that's how i watch TV > on my machine. Are you saying that I'm wrong in assuming that my existing analogue cards won't work with YES? > since you won't be able to tune anyway (apart from setting an IR > device to control the yes box), why waste money on new cards? OK - but as a YES subscriber, is there any way to tune from Linux? I use Xawtv and kdetv applications and with my current setup - HOT - I can choose channels from the application. Of course, today I don't have a HOT "MEMIR" but connect the TV cards directly to the wall socket (HOT antenna) and I do realize that as a YES subscriber, I would have to connect to the "MEMIR". > I doubt the quality difference is worth it. quality is not an issue - I just want to watch TV in a window, on a small part of the screen, while working, browsing etc. > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Shlomo Solomon > > wrote: > > Firstly, thanks to Ohad, Dvir and Geoffrey for answering. > > > > Secondly, I see from all three answers that my question was > > mis-understood, so I'll re-phrase. > > > > If I move from HOT to YES, I want to continue watching TV on the computer > > screen using a Linux friendly TV card. I'm referring to 3 cards for 3 > > seperate computers (not 3 signals to be handled by 1 computer). I don't > > intend to do anything illegal (bypassing encryption) - I would have a > > YES "MEMIR" next to each computer and the TV card would be fed from > > the "MEMIR". Since my existing TV cards are analogue only (and include a > > tuner), I now plug them into the HOT antenna plug and they work > > out-of-the-box. But that's obviously not going to be the case with YES > > digital signals. > > > > So to summarize, I'm looking for CHEAP, Linux friendy, YES friendly > > digital TV cards that can connect to the YES "MEMIR" and provide a TV > > signal on my Linux computers. > > > > Tanks again > > > > -- > > Shlomo Solomon > > http://the-solomons.net > > Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:23:06PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Are you saying that I'm wrong in assuming that my existing analogue cards won't work with YES? YES. Well, actually probably. It depends upon the outputs the decoder box has the inputs the card has. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 07:13:15AM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:23:06PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Are you saying that I'm wrong in assuming that my existing analogue cards won't work with YES? YES. Well, actually probably. It depends upon the outputs the decoder box has the inputs the card has. To amplify it, the analog cards I have have 1. RF (tuner) 2. Composite video (RCA jack for video) (one card) 3. S-Video (also accepts Composite video) The YES boxes I have have outputs: RF (channel 60, can be changed via menu) Composite (RCA). S-VIDEO (SCART). My YES MAX does not have an RF output. My HOT boxes have Composite and S-Video, but no RF. They do have an RF passthrough for the analog channels that are on the cable. This includes several stations of FM radio (galgalatz, kol hamusica, BBC) and Channels 1,2,10, FOX, Hot movies (only 1 channel), and lots of things I would never watch. Note that there is a new law coming into effect Jan 1, regulating contract length and cancelation, etc. If you sign up before then, you have to stick with the old rules. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: digital TV cards
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:44:44PM +0200, Erez D wrote: > >> The ideal case for you is to use a dvb-s/dvb-s2 card, a card reader and a >> YES smart card. >> you will not need an STB (memir) for this, and you get the digital signal >> with no quality loss. >> you will also probably be able to watch/record multiple programs with one >> dvb-s card if they share frequencies (both myth and vdr support that). >> >> i am not a YES subscriber, and i have never done that with YES, but i >> think >> i read about people which have done this. >> > > AFAIK It won't work. YES uses NDS encryption, which is not supported by so what ? i heard that this method worked with sky-uk (and the use NDS) > > that type of hardware. There are companies that sell digital satellite > packages to that do include encryption cards that allow you to provide > your own hardware, but they don't sell to Israel. > > I don't know if YES program guides can be downloaded off of the Internet > or not, the English ones can not. they can. > > I don't know if there are legal issues here. but as i see it, you are not >> stealing if you have legit smart cards from YES. >> > > That's correct. But only with companies that let you use your own hardware. > YES does not. > > BTW, if you want channels 1, 10,22,23,33 and 99, they may be available over > the air as digital TV in April. I say may because when the Kenesset wanted > to include channel 9 (Russian language Israeli commerical channel), both > HOT > and YES said they would go out of business if they did, they dropped it. > if you are connected to a YES dish. you can get 1,10,22,23,33,99 unencrypted, just need a regular (NON-YES) memir. > > Expect there to be legal challenges. > > > Geoff. > -- > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM >
