Linux-Misc Digest #452
Linux-Misc Digest #452, Volume #24 Sat, 13 May 00 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
ipop3d: Connection time out ... ? (tykq)
Should apps be installed as root? (Chad Lemmen)
Re: Memory unrecognized (not the >64M problem!) (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Opinion about "Mandrake 6" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs??? (David Efflandt)
autofs and smb filesystems (Patrick M Geahan)
Re: HOW? Get started to a new hard disk (David Efflandt)
Re: errant text in X windows (Steve)
Re: Hello friend need help quick please (Steve)
Re: strange binaries support (Steve)
Re: Problem Slackware 7.0 : NFS, bash (Steve)
Re: DNS problem (Thomas F. Drescher)
Re: Instruction Access Exception ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Instruction Access Exception ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Printer driver for a Lexmark Z11 (David Efflandt)
Help->Colourised Login ("Jackie")
Re: Linux is cool! (was: Wierd SuSE6.4 problem) (Peter Dixon)
Re: FreeBSD and Linux (Arun Sharma)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tykq)
Subject: ipop3d: Connection time out ... ?
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:37:19 GMT
Hi,
We have a RHat6.0 Linux 2.2.5-15 and a dial up connection to the
internet no DNS installed. We connect every hour to retrieve our mail
(our ISP acts our mail relay) The /var/log/maillog is starting to fill
up with ' Connection timeout errors ' coming up mainly when the server
is on line. It seems to be random not being linked to any pc in
particular. We use Outlook 97 as mail client on PCs
...NOT ok
May 8 13:30:50 postman ipop3d[7118]: port 110 service init from
192.168.1.47
May 8 13:32:05 postman ipop3d[7118]: Login user=username
host=[192.168.1.47] nmsgs=0/0
May 8 13:32:05 postman ipop3d[7118]: Connection timed out while
reading line user=username host=[192.168.1.47]
OK.
May 8 13:34:41 postman ipop3d[7125]: port 110 service init from
192.168.1.45
May 8 13:34:41 postman ipop3d[7125]: Login user=jph
host=[192.168.1.45] nmsgs=0/0
May 8 13:34:41 postman ipop3d[7125]: Logout user=jph
host=[192.168.1.45] nmsgs=0 ndele=0
Thanks
kim
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From: Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Should apps be installed as root?
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:40:00 GMT
I'm using Corel Linux on my desktop and I've just downloaded Realplayer.
Should I install it as root and put it in /usr/local/Realplayer or
install it logged in as a normal user in which case it would have to be
installed in the users home dir. If I install it as root the install
puts an icon on the KDE desktop for me and installs the Netscape plugin.
These settings then only apply to root. Then do I log in as a normal
user and manually create the icon on the users desktop and run the
install again for the Netscape plugin?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Memory unrecognized (not the >64M problem!)
Date: 12 May 2000 19:52:09 -0700
>I don't think I have any such thing. I was wondering if I have to set any
>jumpers or something like that to make it recognize more memory.
Certain combinations of memory sizes do not work with those old 486
motherboards.
- Sam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Opinion about "Mandrake 6"
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:54:06 GMT
Why would you want to start with Mandrake6 when Mandrake7 is out? It's
best to start with the most current distro to get all the patches and
security fixes.
In article <7a2T4.4500$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Jun1or" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i am newbie about Linux and intersting to start with this distribution
any
> advice comment...is welcome
> TIA
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs???
Date: 13 May 2000 03:06:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 12 May 2000 18:05:39 GMT, GENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>mst wrote:
>
>> NetVAR wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone know how to configure LINUX to connect to
>> > Free ISPs like Netzero, Freei.net, etc???
>> > i need the IP configuration settings and which LINUX is best?
>> > Redhat? SUSE? TurboLinux? BSD? etc??
>> > thanks in advance
>> >
>>
>> I only know of one free ISP that works with Linux: freewwweb. They have
>> detailed instructions on the web site. Which distro you use shouldn't
>> make any difference.
>>
>> MST
>
>I just visited http://www.
Linux-Misc Digest #451
Linux-Misc Digest #451, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU tar compress on the fly? (Paul Colquhoun)
Printer driver for a Lexmark Z11 ("John S. Rodrigues")
CD-writing utility ("Turbo alberta")
Re: where does filesize get set? (Lew Pitcher)
Re: [Q]CDROM does not mount (Jim Hollenback)
Re: Recommendation for beginner (Harlan Grove)
Changing HD on IDE problem ("Arnie Holks")
SnapServer from Quantum (Tom Williams)
Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Compiling FlightGear 0.7.1 (Sylvain Bouchard)
Re: GNU tar compress on the fly? (Kari Pahula)
dvdplay hanging ("V.P.")
Re: remote access over dsl line (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: FreeBSD and Linux (Guilherme Oliveira)
Re: Changing HD on IDE problem ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: Printserver for Windows-PC's (Sparkzz)
Opinion about "Mandrake 6" ("Jun1or")
Re: RAMDISK size (Sparkzz)
Re: Changing HD on IDE problem ("Arnie Holks")
Re: FreeBSD and Linux (Christopher Browne)
re: Spamming ("Arnie Holks")
HOW? Get started to a new hard disk ("Jun1or")
Re: CD-writing utility (John McKown)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: GNU tar compress on the fly?
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:19:06 GMT
On Fri, 12 May 2000 17:01:33 -0500, Steve Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|I'm working with a script that generated compressed files on the fly
|and pipes them to another computer. Using GNU tar can I generate a
|compressed file and send it to standard out.
|
|I've tried the following but it just generated a file called
|"--to-stdout"
|
|tar -zcvf --to-stdout
|
|If seams that the flag "--to-stdout" is for decompression only. Is it
|possible for GNU tar to do this or will I have to fix the GNU tar
|source code to do this .
Yes '--to-stdout' is to *extract* files to standard output.
To put the compressed archive onto standard output, just use
the single dash 'use stdio' convention, like this:
tar zcf -
NOTE: using the 'v' option will probably corrupt the archive
as it will also put a list of file names to standard out. It
may be worth experimenting with 'v', but keep this in mind.
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From: "John S. Rodrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Printer driver for a Lexmark Z11
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:29:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a lexmark Z11 inkjet printer. I have not been able to locate a
linux port for the driver. The printer came with the required software
to install it on windoze.
Is there I could confingure my printer for Linux either via postscript
or by using the windoze drivers in conjunction with wine or is there any
documentation as to "How to get started to write a printer driver for a
inkjet printer"??
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From: "Turbo alberta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD-writing utility
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:27:11 +0100
I'm looking for some utility that enables me to specify a subdirectory and
creates a new subdirectory with symbolic links to all the files in the
specified subdirectory.
Does something like this exist? This would be very handy for CDRW backups.
Because of lack of space one could create a directory with links to the
files on the CDRW add some new files switch things a bit around and
finally throw it in an iso-image. If something like this already exists
let me know, else I will have to write it myself.
Turbo Alberta
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: where does filesize get set?
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:32:53 GMT
"Lonni J. Friedman" wrote:
>
> Shawn Beckwith wrote:
> >
> > Could this be a Kernel setting? What is your OS?
>
> It *is* a kernel settings, and his OS should be linux, considering
> that's where ther query was sent.
Considering he included the output of uname -a and it indicated that
he is running Linux kernel 2.2.13 on a i686, I'd say that there's no
question as to which OS he's running.
> >
> > Farid Hamjavar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8fajca$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > >
> > > % uname -a
> > > Linux hello22 2.2.13 #1 Thu Nov 18 13:44:49 MST 1999 i686 unknown
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > % limit
> > > cputime unlimited
> > > filesize35000 kbytes
> > > datasizeunlimited
> > > stacksize 8192 kbytes
> > > coredumpsize500 kbytes
> > > memoryuse unlimited
> > > descriptors 1024
> > > memorylockedunlimited
> > > maxproc 256
> > >
> > >
> > > I like to know where that 35000 filesize get set?
> > >
> > >
> > > Follo
Linux-Misc Digest #450
Linux-Misc Digest #450, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: mounting hard drives (Chi Zhang)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Matthias Warkus)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Matthias Warkus)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Matthias Warkus)
Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE (darkstar51)
Re: Trident 9750 AGP 4MB on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (John-Thomas Richards))
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Debian and RPM question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
GNU tar compress on the fly? (Steve Feil)
Re: GNU tar compress on the fly? (Timothy J. Lee)
Security and small systems (root)
Compiled new kernel and have some problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: vmware: update date/time on suspended virtual machine? ("Chris Ripp")
Re: lilo overwritten (Leonard Evens)
Re: Recommendation for beginner ("Ken White")
Re: FreeBSD and Linux ("John S. Dyson")
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc
From: Chi Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mounting hard drives
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:20:32 -0500
If you have no root priviledge, you can't. But you can try to mount the
unix stuff to your computer, if your unix system have samba(if you use
windows), nfs(for unix) installed.
Or a simple method is use "rcp" or "scp" command, if both computers is
unix(linux).
On Fri, 12 May 2000, David Punsalan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> At work, I have a unix account and I also have a desktop computer. My
> quota on the unix account is only ~30MB. I constantly have to ftp stuff
> back and forth. Is there a way to mount my hard drive or a directory from
> my hard drive (from my desktop) onto a mount point in my unix home
> directory? I do not have root privileges.
>
> WS FTP works great, but if I could simply "mv" stuff back and forth, that
> would be great.
>
> Thanks
> -David
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:30:59 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 12 May 2000 12:49:30 GMT...
...and John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gunter Bengel writes:
> > And since this is a tax issue they asked at the relevant authority which
> > is the "Finanzamt" (tax office). The statute of a church was refused to
> > them by said tax office, not by the governement,...
>
> The tax office is not part of the government? Bizarre!
There is a difference between the government that governs a country
and the administration that administrates it. Administration officials
don't change when the government changes (except for the highest ones
which are sent into early retirement).
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:29:41 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 12 May 2000 10:03:17 -0700...
...and Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > And btw, Scientology's desperate and tasteless propaganda efforts in this
> > > matter seem to underline what critics accuse them of,
>
> What propaganda? The German government apparently won't do business
> with any company that is in any way linked to scientology. That is
> discrimination.
No, that is self-protection, because Scientology's practices clash
with the German constitution.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:34:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 12 May 2000 18:55:51 GMT...
...and JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2000 17:20:13 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >It was the Fri, 12 May 2000 00:35:31 GMT...
> >...and Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >But German politicians have the right to tell their citizens that they
> >> >should not believe in Scientology?
> >>
> >> They appear to regard it as a "cult" rather than as an ordinary
> >> religion. I would tend to agree with that regard.
> >
> >They regard it as a corporation, cloaked as a cult. BTW, it has been
> >decided that the goals of Scientology oppose certain ideas that have
> >been encoded in some constitution (either the federal constitution or
> >a federal state's constitution) and thus, at least in one federal
> >state, Scientology is being observed by constitution protection
> >authorities.
>
> This could be considered consistent with the German practice
> of banning the Nazi party (and wannabes).
Linux-Misc Digest #449
Linux-Misc Digest #449, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Does anyone here run Windows98 + Linux on a single SCSI hard drive? (Sam E.
Trenholme)
Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Damn samba (Bob Hauck)
Re: can't print with Samba (Frank Hahn)
Re: Instruction Access Exception (Sam E. Trenholme)
Congressional Support to Repeal DMCA (Ruben)
Windows shares in Corel Linux (Chad Lemmen)
Re: Where to find software RAID patches? (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs??? (Steve)
Re: DNS problem (Steve)
Re: Printserver for Windows-PC's (WereWolf)
ask for information ! (extra33)
Re: WANTED: Champion (Tim Hockin)
Trident 9750 AGP 4MB on Linux (theBuddy1)
Re: ask for information ! (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: WANTED: Champion (Sam E. Trenholme)
USENIX 2000 Technical Conf - Pre-Reg Savings deadling 5/12 (Moun Chau)
Re: Damn samba (Patrick O'Neil)
klogd (Alessandro Giachino)
Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs??? ("Michael Faurot")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Does anyone here run Windows98 + Linux on a single SCSI hard drive?
Date: 12 May 2000 13:03:28 -0700
>16 G FAT32 Windows 98 (as /dev/sda1) (primary)
>1.5 G Linux Native (as /dev/sda2) (primary)
>the rest is Linux Swap (as /dev/sda5) (logical)
>
>I installed Slackware 7.0, it recognizes my Apatec 29160N a-ok with
>the a7xxx.s boot image, and both my CD-ROM (TEAC CD-532S) and my CD-R
>(HP 9210).
>
>When I told LILO to install at the Superblock, and changed the
>'bootable' flag to point to the Linux Native partition, I got a
>"Missing operating system"
The problem is that you are using an older LILO that will only boot if the
kernel is on the first 1024 cylinders. Since you are using Slackware, I
assume that you want to do things the hard way.
Your solution:
* Boot in to Linux with your boot floppy
* Find the latest version of LILO on the net. metalab.unc.edu probably
has it.
* Compile and install LILO
* Run it with your current /etc/lilo.conf
LILO should work at this point.
Another option is to have a small Linux boot partition near the start of
your hard disk.
- Sam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs???
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:03:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mst wrote:
>
> > NetVAR wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to configure LINUX to connect to
> > > Free ISPs like Netzero, Freei.net, etc???
> > > i need the IP configuration settings and which LINUX is best?
> > > Redhat? SUSE? TurboLinux? BSD? etc??
> > > thanks in advance
> > >
> >
> > I only know of one free ISP that works with Linux: freewwweb. They have
> > detailed instructions on the web site. Which distro you use shouldn't
> > make any difference.
it's there but maybe in tech support or FAQ or something like that
Have a tough time in Miami though, line's always busy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Damn samba
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:07:19 GMT
On Fri, 12 May 2000 12:44:59 -0600, Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 May 2000 15:13:21 -0600, Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> >Now I am really cornfused. Both are postscript-compatible
>> >printers (one is a Phaser Tek350 color printer and the other
>> >is an HP laserwriter 16).
>>
>> Try sending them a postscript file then. If _that_ doesn't work, then I'm
>> at a loss.
>
>Ah...that one worked.
Ok, now what happens if you do "lpr postscript-file"? If that works, then
your printer filter is working as far as sending the job to the printer
but is not converting to postscript for you. That can be worked around
several ways. The easy one is to use "enscript" or "nenscript" to print
text files and to make sure that your apps print postscript (which is the
normal Unix-y thing to do anyway). Or you can make a fancier print filter
using something like "magicfilter".
If "lpr postscript-file" fails, then your filter is probably borked and
you will need to fix whatever the problem is. First thing would be to go
back into the setup and put everything back to what seems sensible (I
assume you've been fooling around with settings trying to get this
working). If that can't fix it, then you may need to manually edit the
filter. I can send you the default one from the Samba distribution if
that would help.
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Linux-Misc Digest #448
Linux-Misc Digest #448, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: FreeBSD and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
errant text in X windows (John Hunter)
Re: lilo overwritten (George Bell)
Re: FreeBSD and Linux (david parsons)
Re: Like Defrag.exe in Win, but in Linux. (Tim Hockin)
Re: I just had a crazy idea (Tim Hockin)
Re: [Q]CDROM does not mount (George Bell)
Help setting up wu-ftpd ("Robert A. Knop Jr.")
Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs??? (GENE)
Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: Hello friend need help quick please (GENE)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Damn samba (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: telnet out of network issue ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (JEDIDIAH)
Re: WANTED: Champion (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: signal 7 caught / ftp trouble (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Re: signal 7 caught / ftp trouble (Sam E. Trenholme)
Does anyone here run Windows98 + Linux on a single SCSI hard drive? (MN)
Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Login (Lew Pitcher)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: 12 May 2000 17:03:49 GMT
Neil Blakey-Milner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
: dpkg is a package manager. Ports is not a package manager.
: pkg_add/delete/info is our (FreeBSD's) equivalent.
Funny, I've always used ports to manage software installs. Indeed,
pkg_* tools are currently needed to handle matters after the
install, however I would thus say that ports is at least, part of
FreeBSD's package management system. I'd even go further and say
it's the best part.
: Replacing pkg_* with dpkg would increase the current functionality.
What features are pkg_* missing that dpkg offers?
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Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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Subject: errant text in X windows
From: John Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12 May 2000 12:19:03 -0500
I recently upgraded to RHL 6.2 and suddenly X windows with gnome is behaving a
bit errantly. Text strings crop up outside the window they belon in
and are placed at seemingly random places on the desktop. I am always
having to C-l my emacs window to refresh the screen, and drag my X
windows acrss the desktop to 'erase' the errant text scattered around.
I don't see anything at the redhat site under the bug-fixes for 6.2
that looks relevant. Is this a known bug and is there a fix?
Thanks,
John Hunter
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From: George Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lilo overwritten
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:19:27 -0400
When you installed windows, it wiped out the lilo in the master boot
record. Using a suitable rescue system to restore the lilo should work.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I accidently installed windows, over linux. i do not know what happened
> to the linux partition. but i assume the partition to be safe, but lilo
> boot has been delete, & i also have not made any boot disk.
> what to do now?
> -pramod.R
>
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> http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Linux
Date: 12 May 2000 09:46:13 -0700
In article <8fehsq$482$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> frans abels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have been experimenting with FreeBSD lately, comparing it to Linux.
>> Here are some questions that I still have
>>
>> 1. FreeBSD runs Linux binaries. Does this mean that I can install a
>> FreeBSD kernel
>> in a Linux distribution?
>>
>
>That would make it a BSD distribution... Why would you want to do that?
1) Some people think that the BSD kernel is better than the Linux
kernel, but that the (commercial) Linux userland is better than
the BSD userland.
2) it would be a fun, if somewhat time-consuming, hack.
david parsons \bi/ emphasise the time-consuming.
\/
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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Like Defrag.exe in Win, but in Linux.
Date: 12 May 2000 17:26:37 GMT
Federico Czerwinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hey!, this questoin is a short one, just this, Is there any program for
: Linux that defrags the disk, just like Defrag.exe in window
Linux-Misc Digest #447
Linux-Misc Digest #447, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: WANTED: Champion (sergio)
Re: System.map file? (J Bland)
Re: Full difference between ttyS* and cua* devices? (bpb)
mounting hard drives (David Punsalan)
Tracking down init errors (Steve Feil)
GNUware SourceIT! 1.7.0 (Kerry Cox)
Login ("Hawk")
Encounter problem with unix98 ptys (Damon)
Where to find software RAID patches? ("Robert A. Knop Jr.")
Re: Need to find my IP address (Rick Ellis)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Memory unrecognized (not the >64M problem!) (Sandhitsu R Das)
Re: Need to find my IP address (Rick Ellis)
From: sergio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: WANTED: Champion
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:54:47 +0100
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when sergio would say:
> >Christopher Browne wrote:
> >>
> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Sam E. Trenholme would
> >> say:
> >> >>This software is CURRENTLY not open source since the author makes a
> >> >>living writing software
> >> >
> >> >I wish the utmost of success for this software, but I have serious
> >> >reservations about this package thriving.
> >>
> >> I have more than merely "reservations" about the likelihood of it
> >> thriving, and, if the licensing approach remains proprietary, thus
> >> indicating that the producers are gaining from others' contributions,
> >> but not freely contributing themselves, I have some reservations about
> >> the notion of wishing them success.
> >
> >If the source is not open and contributors cannot add to it or change
> >it,
> >how are the producers gaining from others' contributions? In the same
> >way
> >that Visual Basic itself gains by someone writing a Visual Basic program
> >maybe?
> >
> >> >Considering the number of free and public-domain toolkits out there, which
> >> >this list just gives a sampling of, there is a lot of competition out
> >> >there:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7184/guitool.html
> >> > http://www.free-soft.org/guitool/
> >>
> >> Indeed. The likelihood of a "not open source" GUI framework becoming
> >> the "the native GUI of Linux" is _vanishingly_ small.
> >>
> >> (Actually, it's _impossible_ unless the framework is released under a
> >> license compatible with the GPL, as, to become a truly "native" GUI
> >> for Linux, it would have to be somehow integrated with the Linux
> >> kernel, and such integration would _MANDATE_ using the GPL. Section
> >> 2(b), for any "license lawyers" out there...)
> >
> >By integrated into the kernel are you suggesting that unless the
> >software
> >is tightly bound to the kernel that it cannot work? In which case I
> >refer
> >you to X11 (X Windows system) and the ext2 file system which both seem
> >to
> >work quite well on Linux without needing to be compiled directly into
> >the
> >kernel.
> >
> >Or are you suggesting that if a piece of third party software uses
> >system
> >calls that exist within the kernel, that that software MUST be GPL. If
> >so I hope the likes of Borland, Coral and IBM are reading this.
>
> No, the point is that in order for it to be so strongly associated with
> Linux, it has to be tightly connected to the kernel.
Really? You obviously know my code better than I do. I always thought it
sat on top of the kernel like any other app and dynamically linked to
the
libraries that come with the Linux distribution on which it is running,
something similar to say... X11.
> And for _that_ to happen, it has to link to GPLed code, thus mandating
> licensing under the GPL.
So anything that links to GPLed code has to itself be GPL? Not just code
that is directly compiled into other GPLed code (such as the kernel)? So
how
does VMWare manage to simultaneously be GPL and not open source? Sorry
this
is incorrect. The GPLed code that I link to is not closed off by my app.
My app only links to it at the time of execution, up to that point
anyone
can modify the libraries (the GPLed component). The main restriction on
GPLed code is that you cannot embed it in propritory code so as to make
it
inaccessable or unmodifyable.
> >> The downside to the claim that "not open source" is somehow associated
> >> with "making a living writing software" is that those that are picking
> >> tools are likely to prefer the one that is more available.
> >
> >Could you please clarify this sentence.
>
> Why would I use something with expensive and restrictive licensing
> requirements when there are many options that are less expensive and
> less restrictive?
As you're asking, I would if the products were better and saved me time
and money or provided some form of recreation. So you consider $10
expensive and a commercial license (copyright) preventing you from
giving
away copies o
Linux-Misc Digest #446
Linux-Misc Digest #446, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: X-windows is failing please help (Dances With Crows)
awe64 midi ("Steven Thurgood (1X0S)")
System.map file? ("Steven Thurgood (1X0S)")
Re: NTFS: Linux performance? (Dances With Crows)
Re: System.map file? (Dances With Crows)
Module loading ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs??? (mst)
Re: System.map file? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Module loading ("Florian E.J. Fruth")
Re: LILO 1024 cyl thing (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Samba and FAT attrib flags ("Conor Daly")
Re: vmware problems (John McKown)
[Q]CDROM does not mount (Jim Hollenback)
Problem Slackware 7.0 : NFS, bash (Herve Gautier)
Re: Damn samba (Bob Hauck)
strange binaries support (Herve Gautier)
Re: X-windows is failing please help (Steve)
Re: using "dd" from /dev/nst0 (Steve)
Re: cu command (Steve)
Re: general modem setup (Steve)
Re: convert num to string ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (John Hasler)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (John Hasler)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (John Hasler)
Hello friend need help quick please (faisal gillani)
Re: Module loading (Dances With Crows)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: X-windows is failing please help
Date: 12 May 2000 09:07:37 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 12 May 2000 11:40:01 +0100, Kofi Asante
<<8fgmva$41g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have set Linux to start X-windows when it boots up. This has worked
>successfully for rhree weeks until yesterday. it has gone biserk. When
>X-windows tries to start up, it seems to be going in a loop. Since i am not
>able to get the propmt, I can't even try antthing. I have tried using the
>interactive set up but it still goes into a loop. Any ideas?
*sigh* didn't you Read The Fine Manual and notice the bits about
"virtual consoles" and "runlevels"? Entering "linux S" at the LILO prompt
will boot the system to single-user mode (no X, root-only login, bare
minimum of system services started) while pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1..F6 will
switch to virtual text consoles 1..6. From a text-mode prompt, you can
have a better chance of figuring out what's going on. I suggest trying to
re-run SaX, Xconfigurator, or XF86Setup, just in case your XF86Config has
gotten screwed up. HTH,
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid,
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| as I have to run nothing but a
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| burp in the butt. --MegaHAL
--
From: "Steven Thurgood (1X0S)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: awe64 midi
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:08:42 +0100
-- Hi, I tried recompiling my kernel to get midi to work with my awe64,
however it refuses to recognise that it was there( .wav etc. works
fine). upon startup I get some message about it not being detected. It's
not pnp (i'm fairly sure, and I have tried both compiling into the
kernel, and as a module. I also tried setting up isapnp to use the sb,
but then the wav didn't work either. I have the kernel version 2.2.05,
and I tried 2.2.15 (the latest?), which still didn't work, and gave me
problems. I have Redhat 6.0, and have followed the mini howto to no
avail. And advice?
-Steve
=
.Triggle
--
From: "Steven Thurgood (1X0S)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System.map file?
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:10:28 +0100
What exactly does this file do please?
I attempted to upgrade my kernel from 2.2.05 to 2.2.15, and it worked
fine, but many of the daemons being started at boot time complained that
this file had an incorrect version or something. I don't recall seing
this file mentioned in any of the docs on recompiling the kernel. Is it
something specific to redhat or not?
Any help appreciated.
-Steve
--
=
.Triggle
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: NTFS: Linux performance?
Date: 12 May 2000 09:23:13 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12 May 2000 13:05:47 GMT, Ken Yasuda
<<8fgvjb$7sp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows) writes:
>|> On Thu, 11 May 2000 12:03:48 -0700, Edward Lee
>|> <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>|> >Last time I tried, Linux NTFS driver is not stable enough for writing.
>|>
>|> Nope. Adding the right incantations to /etc/fstab will allow ordinary
>|> users to access a FAT partition, or allow all users at once to access it.
>|> Main problem is that every file on said FAT filesystem will be owned by
>|> the user who originall
Linux-Misc Digest #445
Linux-Misc Digest #445, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 09:13:02 EDT
Contents:
vmware problems (kev)
X-windows is failing please help ("Kofi Asante")
Re: ps printer configuration ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE (Mark(un-MASKForsyth))
Re: DNS problem (Mark(un-MASKForsyth))
Re: Like Defrag.exe in Win, but in Linux. (Mark(un-MASKForsyth))
napster problem - firewall? ("Martin Craig")
Samba password problem (Rafael)
Re: napster problem - firewall? (JosB)
Re: WANTED: Champion (sergio)
Re: Internal Robotics modem problem (Patricia)
Re: FreeBSD and Linux (Neil Blakey-Milner)
Re: Recommendation for beginner (JackStraw)
linux: my display is too large (lionel)
Re: Minimal rh6.1 install on old machine ("F. Michael Orr")
Re: linux: my display is too large (Dances With Crows)
Re: NTFS: Linux performance? (Ken Yasuda)
Re: WANTED: Champion (Christopher Browne)
From: kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: vmware problems
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:16:55 +
Hi,
I've installed vmware successfully, but have run into problems
installing NT.
First off, after telling it of a SCSI device and supplying the
manufacturer's floppy, it tells me the device is not located in my
computer. I can use my IDE disk for the time being, but I really would
like to put it on my (much emptier) SCSI disk.
Secondly - and this is quite scary! - I get this message:
"Setup has determined that your computer's startup hard disk is new or
has been erased, or that an operating system is installed on your
computer with which Windows NT cannot co-exist.
If such an operating system is installed on your computer, continuing
Setup may damage or destroy it.
If the hard disk is new or has been erased, or you want to discard it's
current contents, you can choose to continue Setup".
Does this really mean what it says? Can I ignore this message or has
something gone wrong with my vmware installation?
thanks,
- Kev
--
From: "Kofi Asante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X-windows is failing please help
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:40:01 +0100
Help! Please help!!!
I have set Linux to start X-windows when it boots up. This has worked
successfully for rhree weeks until yesterday. it has gone biserk. When
X-windows tries to start up, it seems to be going in a loop. Since i am not
able to get the propmt, I can't even try antthing. I have tried using the
interactive set up but it still goes into a loop. Any ideas?
Edward
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ps printer configuration
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:30:30 GMT
the final culprit was the wrong queue on the printer :(
sorry,
grisa
In article <8fedik$v3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I setup the remote hp4m+ ps printer in my RH6.1 box by printtool.
> it prints the test page just fine, and works from Netscape or
> StarOffice.
>
> The problem I have is that it prints only garbled text if I try to
print
> an ordinary PostScript file, eg:
>
> lpr file.ps
>
> any input would be greatly appreciated
> this is the relevant part of my /etc/printcap
>
> lp|hp4m-ps:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
> :mx#0:\
> :rm=hp4m:\
> :rp=raw:\
> :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:\
> :sh:
>
> thanx in advance,
>
> grisa
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)
Subject: Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:34:20 +1000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 10 May 2000 01:44:36 -0400, Lonni J. Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>"Jeff W." wrote:
>>
>> I currently have Corel Linux OS on my laptop and I just don't like the way
>> it works, I've had monitor problems, and a whole mess of things. I want to
>> take it off completely and reinstall Win 98SE. Now, I have Win 2000 on my
>> terminal and I don't know what kind of startup disk I'll need. Are there
>> any suggestions on how to go back to 98 on the laptop?? Thanks in advance.
>
>I think you need to be asking in a windoze NG. We do linux here, in
>case you didn't notice. You didn't ask in a windoze NG how to get rid
>of windoze to install linux, did you?
Don't be so petty.
What you need to do is to take your W98 CD-ROM to a working win system and
create the emergency diskette. Or whatever it's caleld under windows.
You'l also have to use a real fdisk to get rid of the ext-2 partition.
MS fidisk just cannot believe that there is another fdisk out there. One
that does things CORRECTLY to boot. Nope MS fdisk can't deal with it all
being right. Just use the fdisk from linux and no problems...
--
Mark F...
unMASK for e-mail
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.lin
Linux-Misc Digest #444
Linux-Misc Digest #444, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 06:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Prof. Gunter Bengel)
Re: Programs for Linux (Carsten Pitz)
Recommendation for beginner ("Ken White")
Re: Problems installing XFree86 ("David ..")
general modem setup (Koen Aerts)
Re: passwd ("David ..")
Re: switching to FVWM from KDE (Philipp Zambelli)
Re: Full difference between ttyS* and cua* devices? (Villy Kruse)
Re: Recommendation for beginner ("Y. Ohgaki")
Re: signal 7 caught / ftp trouble (Alex)
NIS problems (Peter Buzanits)
cu command ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: apache restart problem (Paul Ashby)
LINUX clustering and big filesystems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Minimal rh6.1 install on old machine (Richard Corfield)
Re: AMD/Intel... what's faster on Linux? (Torsten Evers)
using "dd" from /dev/nst0 (Guido Gonzato)
Re: Recommendation for beginner (JosB)
Re: passwd ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Internal Robotics modem problem ("Boomer")
Re: Instruction Access Exception (Anand Krishnamoorthy)
Re: ps printer configuration ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prof. Gunter Bengel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: 12 May 2000 09:15:47 +0200
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> No. By "regulate religion" I mean "We have determined that your
> organization is a religion, so you must register with the Ministry of
> Religion and follow its regulations" or suchlike. Regulating "nefarious
> things" without regard to the sociological classification of organizations
> involved with them does not constitute regulating religion. Forbidding
> certain activities to religious organizations while allowing them to all
> others (or vice-versa) is.
>
There is no Ministry of Religion here in Germany. An CO$ is allowed to
do what they want if they respect german law. The only thing they did
not get was to be recognized as a church and so they did not get the
tax privileges, a church has. The whole thing is about money not about
free religion or free speech.
Gunter
--
From: Carsten Pitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.dev.newbie
Subject: Re: Programs for Linux
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:18:16 GMT
In article <8fdtal$ocd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Jackie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (1) Oracle in Linux?? Where to get??
> (2) I need assembler 'cos I wanna learn hacking and virus writing ^^
I got an Oracle for x86 Linux from an Oracle representant.
But, my Linux box at home does not quite offer the resources
to run it so I haven't tried it (I think it is a 8.0.5 version)
so far.
Hacking as well as virus writing is not my job. I wrote a lot
of assembler routines for 8080, 8085 and Z80 as well as some
for the 8086/88, but today the compute power is more than
sufficient for the thing I deal with, so I can comfortably
rely on compilers.
Carsten
Carsten
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
From: "Ken White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Recommendation for beginner
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:29:28 +0100
Hi all, I have a "redundant" Cyrix P200 which I would like to set-up using
Linux. I have never used linux before, which version should I get? I want to
learn how to use linux but do not want to loose the rest of my hair;-).
I have experience setting up PCs using DOS -> Win98.
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Regards
Ken
--
From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems installing XFree86
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:45:08 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi All,
--[snip]
>
>When I try to run the ".sh" file (sh Xinstall.sh) it comes up with
> an error message along these lines "invalid extract file, renamed it to
> extract.exe.bad".
>
>I've issued the following command
>
> chmod +x extract
> chmod +x extract.exe
>
> then tried to run the "extract" or "extract.exe" command, I get an
> error ":bash uknnown command",
No surprise here, this is linux and the ".exe" extension is for a
windows executable file.
If the file is corrupt then download it again.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
--
From: Koen Aerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: general modem setup
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:46:58 +0200
Hi,
What is the general procedure to setup a standard modem (lets say on
COM3) under Linux, and to make it work for dialup to an ISP?
Thanks.
K.
--
From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: passwd
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:51:55 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have forgotten a user ( say , tommy) 's password. So I su to root , remove the
>tommy's password & ... :
>
> root@~> passwd -d tommy
> C
Linux-Misc Digest #443
Linux-Misc Digest #443, Volume #24 Fri, 12 May 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
problems mounting VFAT ("Jason Northrup")
Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE (Scott Babb)
lilo overwritten
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (John Hasler)
Problems installing XFree86 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: problems mounting VFAT (Dances With Crows)
Re: clock ("leo.ladner")
Re: telnet out of network issue ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Instruction Access Exception ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
signal 7 caught / ftp trouble (Alex)
Re: FreeBSD and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: .wmf and .vsd files (Steven Yap)
Re: telnet out of network issue (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: lilo overwritten (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Memory unrecognized (not the >64M problem!) (Sven Bovin)
Re: signal 7 caught / ftp trouble (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Linux Login Logo (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Darren Winsper)
Re: Webcams + Sound activated alarm system ("Dave Liquorice")
Re: FreeBSD and Linux (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Need solid facts: Why Linux over NT (Pierre Vigneras)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Gerald Willmann)
passwd ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Prof. Gunter Bengel)
From: "Jason Northrup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: problems mounting VFAT
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:16:20 -0400
I am really new to linux, so I don't know where to go next. I have a 30GB
hard drive that has only 3 fat32 partitions, while linux is on a seperate
hard drive. I have successfully mounted the first partition (primary) by
using:
mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /system
My problem is that I can't use this same syntaxt with the second and third
partitions (both are in the extended partition) in order to mount them.
Does anybody know how I can do this successfully?
--
From: Scott Babb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: From Linux BACK to Win 98SE
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:21:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff W. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I currently have Corel Linux OS on my laptop and I just don't
> like the way it works, I've had monitor problems, and a whole
> mess of things. I want to take it off completely and reinstall
> Win 98SE. Now, I have Win 2000 on my terminal and I don't know
> what kind of startup disk I'll need. Are there any suggestions
> on how to go back to 98 on the laptop?? Thanks in advance.
>
Can I get this engraved on a bronze plaque? I know a couple
of Windows lovers who will go into spasms if they read that
someone installed Linux but finds Win98 too hard to reinstall!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lilo overwritten
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:30:11 GMT
I accidently installed windows, over linux. i do not know what happened
to the linux partition. but i assume the partition to be safe, but lilo
boot has been delete, & i also have not made any boot disk.
what to do now?
-pramod.R
--
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:48:18 GMT
Christopher Browne writes:
> They appear to regard it as a "cult" rather than as an ordinary religion.
> I would tend to agree with that regard.
I thought Hubbard was dead. Perhaps he has not been dead long enough?
> Ah, but if they cannot have _any_ regulations on religion or religious
> activity, this means that those that would wish to do nefarious things
> need only establish themselves as a religion, and establish the nefarious
> activities as religious activities.
No. By "regulate religion" I mean "We have determined that your
organization is a religion, so you must register with the Ministry of
Religion and follow its regulations" or suchlike. Regulating "nefarious
things" without regard to the sociological classification of organizations
involved with them does not constitute regulating religion. Forbidding
certain activities to religious organizations while allowing them to all
others (or vice-versa) is.
> Scientology has some activities (running businesses, running conferences,
> providing "business technologies") that appear _not_ to be religious
> matters.
This distinguishes them from the Catholic Church how?
> Whilst religious organizations traditionally encourage the widespread
> dissemenation of their "scriptures," whether that be the Koran, the
> Christian Bible, Hindu scriptures, or such,...
I'm sure that this will come as quite a surprise to students of the myriad
of mystery religions that have existed over the millennia.
> If you regard religious activities as being inherently irrational,...
Much (perhaps most) human activity
