Re: Amazing rebuttal to MS open-source FUD
On May 13 Andrew Mathews was heard saying: ->"Philip J. Koenig" wrote: ->> ->> I wish US officials had the clarity and perception of this guy. ->> ->> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html *** They can not. Isn't there a saying which says "Do not byte the hand that feeds you" or something to that extent? Wasn't it Bill Gates who participated financially in George W. Bush's party during the presidential elections...? Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
AbiWord crashes when opened by user
Hi all: I just upgraded abiword to abiword-1.0.1-SuSE.jeo.1 on my suse8 machine.There was no problem with the download or intallation of the rpm. However, after the upgrade, I can only open the application as root. It crashes immediately when I open it as user, giving a segmentation error. Would someone know how I can fix this? Thanks in advance for any help. IM -- Iraj Medifar [Home Desk] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Amazing rebuttal to MS open-source FUD
"Philip J. Koenig" wrote: > > The article below includes an amazing, although long, letter from a > Peruvian government official responding to the local Microsoft rep's > contention that the recent Peruvian government inclination to > standardize on open-source software will (to paraphrase) result in > the demise of the software industry, heh. > > I wish US officials had the clarity and perception of this guy. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html > > -- > Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium Quite a good read. This guy really picks Microsoft's arguments to pieces, hands them their hat, and kicks them out the door, all with a polite, "don't try your bulls*&t on us" attitude. -- Andrew Mathews 9:15pm up 2 days, 20:57, 6 users, load average: 1.27, 1.12, 1.09 Draft beer, not people. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Tue, 14 May 2002 11:38:34 +1000 Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 13 May 2002 14:02, Tony Alfrey wrote: > > On Sunday 12 May 2002 08:01 pm,dep wrote: > > > > > > > a modern distribution based on 2.4, with > > > everything simply updated to newer stuff. > > > > > > > > Isn't that what 3.1 was supposed to be? > > It was! but did not turn out that way. > My crumbly bain cells seem to remember that I liked 3.1 Beta pretty well, but about that time I discovered several other distros that worked equally well, so I never bellied up to the bar for 3.1 released version. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Monday 13 May 2002 14:02, Tony Alfrey wrote: > On Sunday 12 May 2002 08:01 pm,dep wrote: > > > > a modern distribution based on 2.4, with > > everything simply updated to newer stuff. > > > > Isn't that what 3.1 was supposed to be? It was! but did not turn out that way. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Monday 13 May 2002 13:01, dep wrote: > hey, gang! > > y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! SNIP > anyway, the distributions have gone kind of haywire, off in all kinds > of goofy directions. so what i'm wondering is how difficult it would > be to put together a modern distribution based on 2.4, with > everything simply updated to newer stuff. i've been through a whole > collection of other distros, and they all fall short -- rh puts stuff > in weird places; suse is just too damned, well, suse; debian is > debian and slack is slack; mandrake tends to be rh only broken. and > so on. and fact is, the distro i want to be running is caldera 2.4 > upgraded to the current century. > > suppose a recipe for this could be cooked up? That I would go for as I am as you know sick of most of the others, plus the inability of Caldera to maintain itself. I do like Caldera as a distro, but as said it needs modernising from install up. I would help in any way I could. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: RPM failed deps gone loopy
That could very well be the problem. If so, its RedHat's fault, as all i've been doing is "rpm --rebuild " and then attempting to install the resulting RPM. Susan Macchia wrote: > Lonni, > > I've been writing a lot of k-shell scripts lately; to execute and assign the > value of an external "program", you would say, for example: > > foo=$(cat foobar) > > Which is why I am replying... > > the LIST=$(... looks like this - could be some kind of syntax error somewhere > or something. Just thought I'd throw this out as symptomatic of some > script problem? > > Don't know if this helps but... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>I'm in the process of rebuilding the RH-7.3 SRPMs, and then installing >>them. I'm starting to see some very very weird stuff, for failed >>dependencies: >> >> CXXFLAGS is needed by libsigc++-devel-1.0.3-5 >> LIST=$(shell is needed by libsigc++-devel-1.0.3-5 >> >>No, neither is a typo , that's exactly how they appeared. I'm using the >>exact same version of rpm that i've had for a few weeks (prior to the >>manual upgrade i'm doing). -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:30pm up 25 days, 1:24, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.13, 0.21 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Monday 13 May 2002 08:27 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: > Scribbling feverishly on May 12, dep managed to emit: > > hey, gang! > > > > y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! > > > so on. and fact is, the distro i want to be running is caldera 2.4 > > upgraded to the current century. > > Joe Cheek's Lycoris (nee Redmond Linux, a near-clone of eDesktop 2.4) > may come pretty close. I haven't played with it, though. > I was thinking this myself... I HAVE played with it, when it was still RedmondLinux beta (build 36, I think, was my last install). IIRC, Lycoris, while it started out life based on Sybil, I believe is currently based on eWorkstation 3.1. My recollection of it is that it was extremely dumbed-down. the K-Meno had apps listed like, Write a Letter, Read E-Mail, instead of KWord and KMail. They were supposed to come out with a Professional version, which was supposed to be more geek-oriented, but I don't know how far that's come along. I spent a little time at Lycoris.com, and lycoris.org and it looks like they have a beta version available (Build 45). Perhaps it'd be a good article for LinuxAndMain... Perhaps I'll even install it (once I get grub and/or lilo installed properly on my system -- my menu.lst file is located on the partition that houses my no longer used eDesktop2.4 installation and I need to move it off of there so that I can start "playing" with distro's again... I'm having difficulty creating a boot disk, though -- but I digfress, and besides, that's a subject for another thread) > > suppose a recipe for this could be cooked up? > > Yup. I don't have time to do it. > Didn't Joe Cheek post a little how-to on the Caldera List once upon a time? Tim -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1+, kernel 2.4.18-preempt, KDE 3.0.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 8:00pm up 2 days, 8:33, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: RPM failed deps gone loopy
Lonni, I've been writing a lot of k-shell scripts lately; to execute and assign the value of an external "program", you would say, for example: foo=$(cat foobar) Which is why I am replying... the LIST=$(... looks like this - could be some kind of syntax error somewhere or something. Just thought I'd throw this out as symptomatic of some script problem? Don't know if this helps but... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm in the process of rebuilding the RH-7.3 SRPMs, and then installing > them. I'm starting to see some very very weird stuff, for failed > dependencies: > > CXXFLAGS is needed by libsigc++-devel-1.0.3-5 > LIST=$(shell is needed by libsigc++-devel-1.0.3-5 > > No, neither is a typo , that's exactly how they appeared. I'm using the > exact same version of rpm that i've had for a few weeks (prior to the > manual upgrade i'm doing). = _ Susan Macchia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ - Running Linux - because life is too short for reboots... __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Toast, Take 2
On Mon, 13 May 2002 17:40:05 -0600 "Bonez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having compiled a downloaded source for 2.4.18, I proceeded to > update my bzImage and System.map files in /boot. > > Since I am using GRUB as my bootloader, I went in and created a new > enter for the new 2.4.18 kernel, to try booting with it. > > Now, where I had sound, networking to the internet, email, web > browsing etc., when I boot up to my original 2.4.2 configuration, > the sound, access to the net, is all gone, plus I get multiple > failure notices as the various modules and daemons load at boot > time. > > How can I get things back to the way they were before, so that I can > boot up and continue working on my upgrade? > > In my effort to upgrade I followed the listing found at > www.linuxnewbie.org, under configuration and compilation of new > kernel. > A few pointers which will help you avoid future grief 1) When you compile a new kernel, always copy the resulting bzImage to a new name (ex. /boot/kernel-2.4.18-test) and the System.map to /boot/System.map-2.4.18-test) 2) duplicate the kernel stanza in /boot/grub/menu.lst and give it a new name and point to the new kernel name. Do not overlay the kernel stanza that you are currently using. 3) That way, you can easily revert to the old working kernel at any time Now to your current problem - it depends on what you did - some questions. 1) I presume you unpacked your kernl source to a new directory? i.e. you have something like /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/linus- 2.4.2 plus your new /usr/src/linux-2.4.18. If not, you must tediously rebuild your .config by hand. 2) Do you have the current config parameters for your 2.4.2 kernel in your /usr/src /linux (or /usr/src/linus-2.4.2, etc.)? That failing, if you are using the original kernel for your distro, do you have documentation that points you to the .config file used to build the kernel? If the answer is yes to either, do the following: 1) cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.18 and do 'make mrproper' 2)cp /usr/src//.config (or the original .config file) . 3) do 'make oldconfig'. You will be prompted for new kernel parameters that are not in your original config. Just reply no in most cases 3a) 4) cp .config /somewhere/else/safe (for future use) 5) make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install 6) Copy the bzImage and System.map to new test names in /boot 7) Update your /boot/grub/menu.lst with a new stanza to invoke the kernel 8) Hopefully you are now back in business 3) If you don't have the original config, you will need to manually configure the kernel. Do the following: 1) cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.18 and do 'make mrproper' 2) do 'make menuconfig'. Enter each section of the code and answer the questions. This is tedious. Ask more questions here if you need to. 3) Save the config /somewhere/else/save and exit and say yes to save the config 4) Follow steps 5-8 above. Good luck, -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've tried build 44 and 45 (this is a beta) on my notebook (Compaq Presario 1200) and it hangs when I insert the network card (3com X-Jack). Besides that, it looks very promising as a first distro for an Windoze ex-user, but not for the power user. It's not an improved eDesktop. Remember that it's based on Caldera's LTP (what later became 3.1), so it's more a 3.1 than a 2.4. I haven't played too much with it, but overall I liked it. Bye! On Mon, 13 May 2002 20:27:37 -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: >Scribbling feverishly on May 12, dep managed to emit: >> hey, gang! >> >> y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! > >And more reporters! ;-) > >> anyway, the distributions have gone kind of haywire, off in all kinds >> of goofy directions. so what i'm wondering is how difficult it would >> be to put together a modern distribution based on 2.4, with >> everything simply updated to newer stuff. i've been through a whole >> collection of other distros, and they all fall short -- rh puts stuff >> in weird places; suse is just too damned, well, suse; debian is >> debian and slack is slack; mandrake tends to be rh only broken. and >> so on. and fact is, the distro i want to be running is caldera 2.4 >> upgraded to the current century. > >Joe Cheek's Lycoris (nee Redmond Linux, a near-clone of eDesktop 2.4) >may come pretty close. I haven't played with it, though. > >> suppose a recipe for this could be cooked up? > >Yup. I don't have time to do it. > >Kurt >-- >An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. >___ >Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users >Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Malabia 2137 14 A (1425) Buenos Aires Argentina Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPOBdbBRcJRaVKt4XEQIJ8ACgm9Xl0zLv0bfDrcDPvw1bilap1NQAoISb v7HyeaSy+JyBBKxQuZiOKwEM =5nDc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002 13:41:01 -0500 Jim Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good idea Dennis! Here's my thoughts. Sorry for the length. > Do not forget the developer tools, java c++ stl( latest version ) perl python php etc. While a lot will want emacs, vi some of us want IDE's, of which I am starting to develop. Developer tools are a must, well I thjink so. my 0.02 worth cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
Scribbling feverishly on May 12, dep managed to emit: > hey, gang! > > y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! And more reporters! ;-) > anyway, the distributions have gone kind of haywire, off in all kinds > of goofy directions. so what i'm wondering is how difficult it would > be to put together a modern distribution based on 2.4, with > everything simply updated to newer stuff. i've been through a whole > collection of other distros, and they all fall short -- rh puts stuff > in weird places; suse is just too damned, well, suse; debian is > debian and slack is slack; mandrake tends to be rh only broken. and > so on. and fact is, the distro i want to be running is caldera 2.4 > upgraded to the current century. Joe Cheek's Lycoris (nee Redmond Linux, a near-clone of eDesktop 2.4) may come pretty close. I haven't played with it, though. > suppose a recipe for this could be cooked up? Yup. I don't have time to do it. Kurt -- An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Toast, Take 2
Bonez wrote: > Having compiled a downloaded source for 2.4.18, I proceeded to update my > bzImage and System.map files in /boot. > > Since I am using GRUB as my bootloader, I went in and created a new enter > for the new 2.4.18 kernel, to try booting with it. > > Now, where I had sound, networking to the internet, email, web browsing > etc., when I boot up to my original 2.4.2 configuration, the sound, access > to the net, is all gone, plus I get multiple failure notices as the various > modules and daemons load at boot time. > > How can I get things back to the way they were before, so that I can boot up > and continue working on my upgrade? > > In my effort to upgrade I followed the listing found at www.linuxnewbie.org, > under configuration and compilation of new kernel. You might want to try following the SxS KERNEL building section instead. Most folks on this list are more familiar with it. I've personally never even looked at the contents on linuxnewbie.org (and am not about to do so to troubleshoot your problem). -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:55pm up 24 days, 23:49, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.18, 0.26 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Toast, Take 2
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 05:40:05PM -0600, Bonez wrote: >Having compiled a downloaded source for 2.4.18, I proceeded to update my >bzImage and System.map files in /boot. >Since I am using GRUB as my bootloader, I went in and created a new enter >for the new 2.4.18 kernel, to try booting with it. > >Now, where I had sound, networking to the internet, email, web browsing >etc., when I boot up to my original 2.4.2 configuration, the sound, access >to the net, is all gone, plus I get multiple failure notices as the various >modules and daemons load at boot time. Did you do the ``make modules'' and ``make modules_install'' after the bZimage? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The only logical reason to take guns away from responsible people is to give irresponsible people an edge in the perpetration of their crimes against us. -- The Idaho Observer, Vol. 1, No. 2 February 1997 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Toast, Take 2
Having compiled a downloaded source for 2.4.18, I proceeded to update my bzImage and System.map files in /boot. Since I am using GRUB as my bootloader, I went in and created a new enter for the new 2.4.18 kernel, to try booting with it. Now, where I had sound, networking to the internet, email, web browsing etc., when I boot up to my original 2.4.2 configuration, the sound, access to the net, is all gone, plus I get multiple failure notices as the various modules and daemons load at boot time. How can I get things back to the way they were before, so that I can boot up and continue working on my upgrade? In my effort to upgrade I followed the listing found at www.linuxnewbie.org, under configuration and compilation of new kernel. Scott ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002 16:03:05 -0500 "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 13 May 2002 07:16:55 -0700 (PDT) > begin Keith Morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > > > On Mon, 13 May 2002, David A. Bandel wrote: > > > > > Well, I have my distro, "Chiriqui Linux", based somewhat loosely on > > > LFS(Linux From Scratch). I keep it small so I can boot and run off a > > > CD(even run without a hard disk), but it has X 4.2.0 and a whole bunch > > > of other things I use a lot. I use it for my wireless access points, > > > and more. Doesn't have KDE, but I don't use that anyway. My laptop > > > has been running this for a while now. I split the disk into two big > > > chunks, update one chunk, run from that, and in a couple of months I > > > update the other chunk and run from that. I take care of all the > > > little details too(like the pcmcia includes from the pcmcia-cs package > > > being copied to the kernel, etc.). > > > > > > Just curious. You say above "I use it for my wireless access points". > > Does that mean, a linux based access point or you connect to access > > points? > > I mean I have a wireless network others connect to (a small ISP if you > will) in Boquete and Valle Escondido here in Chiriqui in the Rep. of > Panama. > > I have a relay site in a backyard, my diskless system in their house (I > provide them Internet access free in exchange). The business customers I > have also have a diskless system of mine running off CD-ROM. I hand them > a cable to plug into their hub and give them a set of IPs. > > Nice thing, they can't change it, and power outages can't hose it. > > Clearer??? > > David A. Bandel > -- > Focus on the dream, not the competition. > -- Nemesis Racing Team motto > ___ > Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. David SWEET, just SWEET cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002 10:22:32 -0500 "R. Quenett"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from Collins: > > " Done deal. I'll be silent. > > I hope you'll continue to speak up. > > While I agree generally with the criticisms aimed at some of your > comments (which criticisms seem to have provoked your above remark), > > the gentleman who made those criticisms has a delete key, as do I. > Oh, I'll continue to speak up, but most of the time you'll find gentoo only in my signature. Yet another linux distro is as good a topic as any, and it's all a learning experience. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002 07:16:55 -0700 (PDT) begin Keith Morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > On Mon, 13 May 2002, David A. Bandel wrote: > > > Well, I have my distro, "Chiriqui Linux", based somewhat loosely on > > LFS(Linux From Scratch). I keep it small so I can boot and run off a > > CD(even run without a hard disk), but it has X 4.2.0 and a whole bunch > > of other things I use a lot. I use it for my wireless access points, > > and more. Doesn't have KDE, but I don't use that anyway. My laptop > > has been running this for a while now. I split the disk into two big > > chunks, update one chunk, run from that, and in a couple of months I > > update the other chunk and run from that. I take care of all the > > little details too(like the pcmcia includes from the pcmcia-cs package > > being copied to the kernel, etc.). > > > Just curious. You say above "I use it for my wireless access points". > Does that mean, a linux based access point or you connect to access > points? I mean I have a wireless network others connect to (a small ISP if you will) in Boquete and Valle Escondido here in Chiriqui in the Rep. of Panama. I have a relay site in a backyard, my diskless system in their house (I provide them Internet access free in exchange). The business customers I have also have a diskless system of mine running off CD-ROM. I hand them a cable to plug into their hub and give them a set of IPs. Nice thing, they can't change it, and power outages can't hose it. Clearer??? David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RPM failed deps gone loopy
I'm in the process of rebuilding the RH-7.3 SRPMs, and then installing them. I'm starting to see some very very weird stuff, for failed dependencies: CXXFLAGS is needed by libsigc++-devel-1.0.3-5 LIST=$(shell is needed by libsigc++-devel-1.0.3-5 No, neither is a typo , that's exactly how they appeared. I'm using the exact same version of rpm that i've had for a few weeks (prior to the manual upgrade i'm doing). -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: Funny stuff!
> >Re the Gatwick and Heathrow shots, just be glad there are > none showing > >the BSOD in an AirBus cockpit. > > Damn! That's scarey! And I thought the French were not using the > Windows virus. > > While Boeing's pretty committed to Micro$oft (perhaps the move to > Chicago will help them see the light), I don't know anybody there > who would think of putting it aboard an airplane for anything but > game playing. Not to worry. I've been in the trenches of FAA certification of flight software. M$ wouldn't come close to being certified for use on a plane. For one thing, you have to be able to inspect the source. :-}) In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
Good idea Dennis! Here's my thoughts. Sorry for the length. Well, I started with OL2.3(for a month or so) and went to eD2.4, I'm now running a modified version of W3.1. There were quite a few things I liked about eD2.4 and some I didn't, especially after it got very dated. I've noticed that there are some core libs and programs in W3.1 that are quite dated and need to be updated to install anything else. Granted, I can install the tarball and get it working, but for a novice it's easier to install a RPM package to do this. I'm running older hardware(P200 w/ 64mb of ram) and if I tried to compile KDE3 or some such large compile, it would take days. I'd like a distro that was current and stable with all major programs, libs and the kernel, and kept up with making rpm packages for major programs. These can be on an ftp site, yes I know about the soss ftp site for Caldera. Also, it puts files where they make sense, using LSB and such standards. I've been using linux for over 2 years and have a decent grasp on most things, but I still look at linux distros as a decent desktop alternative. I've been contemplating on changing distros and Suse sounds tempting. I'd like to try out Gentoo, but not on my production desktop. Personally, I think we need to start a list of the features/programs/whatever and go from there. Here's my $0.02 and a start of the list. Please feel free to comment. This is in no certain order, just in the order it came to mind. Desktop edition(someone more qualified can comment about the server edition) - Strict adherence to LSB and FHS and other standards so it's attractive for 3rd party software companies. - Latest stable kernel - Latest stable compiler and libraries - Latest stable XFree86 - Latest stable KDE, Gnome, xfce, and other popular window managers(optional install on each) - Latest stable Mesa, SDL, and other 3D graphics stuff - Latest stable iptables - Latest stable grub & lilo(option on which to install) - Good firewall on install, easy for a novice to setup correctly on install(well, most novices) - Only the services/daemons turned on that the user wants turned on during install. - Easy, understandable install. A modified Lizard would be great. - Support for ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs on install - Latest stable OpenOffice - Latest stable RealPlayer & Flash - Good gui admin tools (like COAS2 and webmin) - ncurses admin tool (like the old coastool in eD2.4) - Optional install of Opera and Mozilla - A personal finance program such as Gnucash & KMymoney2(or some such) - Scribus or such for Desktop Publishing - Include at least one well known 3D game that works out of the box as an optional install. - Latest stable Python/ TCL/TK /Perl and other needed development languages. - Latest stable sendmail(and option clones), Apache, bind and other daemons. - Good gui firewall tool. One that novices can understand without having to know iptables inside and out. Experts can write their own using vi. - Good set of printed manuals. Useful for novices to experts. - Good detection of hardware on install. eD2.4 had this and would install on almost anything. Granted some hardware had to be setup after install, but you had a working install to upgrade & configure. - Good working packaging system. Be it rpm, apt or portage. One that works and is easily understood by novices, preferably with a gui front-end. - KConfigure installed for those that want a good gui to compile tarballs. - Ability to install on a minimal 486 to the latest/fastest processor. Would tell user that installing KDE3(or latest) isn't a good idea on a 486 with 16MB of ram and give some good options. - Latest stable sane(and supporting scanner software/libs). - Latest stable(devel if necessary) pda, digital camera support. - Working CDRW/DVD on install. - Latest stable pcmcia libraries for ease of laptop install. - Included in printed documentation and on .txt file on cdrom is a list of where to go for help. A list of web sites, newsgroups, mailing lists, chat-rooms, etc. and a list of good web sites such as freshmeat, sourceforge, newsforge, linuxtoday and such. Some novices don't have a local expert to consult and end up stumbling on to such things after much frustration. After Install - Create packages of all major programs/libraries/whatever for each of their stable releases. These can be put on a FTP site such as Caldera's soss site. I know other distros have similar. - Have good marketing and advertizing. - Communicate with the users regularly about upcomming releases and beta testing. - Keep up on various security notices and release patched packages as needed. Most distro's do this. - Have a market presence(i.e. boxed editions in stores like Suse, Mandrake and Redhat). - Affordable corporate tech support for the average person. - Minor releases every ~6 months and major releases every 1.5-2 years. - Ease of user to upgrade(via downloading packages) to e
Re: [ltp] PCMCIA Compact Flash Cards ??
Also, the PCMCIA IDE is a seperate IDE controler (on the PCMCIA card). So, IDE0 is hda and hdb, IDE1 (usualy swap bays) is hdc and hdd, and the PCMCIA card will be IDE2 as hde and hdf. Bert is right, you need to watch your logs for where the device shows up. As written by Bert Haskins: [snip] > Make yourself a directory /mnt/pcflash and then add the following line to > /etc/fstab: > /dev/hdc1 /mnt/pcflash vfatnoauto,user,fat=12 0 0 > > Replace /dev/hdc1 with whatever device the PCMCIA IDE module places the card > at. You can figure this out by looking at your system messages file > (/var/log/messages on a RedHat system) right after the card is inserted, or > by looking at /var/lib/pcmcia/stab. If you have both a hard drive and an > IDE CD-ROM drive on your system, it may well be that the PCMCIA Compact > Flash card won't show up at /dev/hdc. > > At this point, after inserting the card, any user can issue the command > mount /mnt/pcflash > and get to the images on the card just like files on any other filesystem. > Remember to unmount the filesystem before physically removing the PCMCIA card > reader! > PCMCIA CD -- END OF LINE. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: [ltp] PCMCIA Compact Flash Cards ??
"J.J.Green" wrote: > Hi > > > I am wondering, well hoping actually that someone can lead me to where I > > can find out how to make a PCMCIA compact flash card work with a Linux > > laptop (Red Hat 7.2) I've had great luck with this on several different Thinkpads. I can't take credit for it, got it off of the net. -- Bert Make yourself a directory /mnt/pcflash and then add the following line to /etc/fstab: /dev/hdc1 /mnt/pcflash vfatnoauto,user,fat=12 0 0 Replace /dev/hdc1 with whatever device the PCMCIA IDE module places the card at. You can figure this out by looking at your system messages file (/var/log/messages on a RedHat system) right after the card is inserted, or by looking at /var/lib/pcmcia/stab. If you have both a hard drive and an IDE CD-ROM drive on your system, it may well be that the PCMCIA Compact Flash card won't show up at /dev/hdc. At this point, after inserting the card, any user can issue the command mount /mnt/pcflash and get to the images on the card just like files on any other filesystem. Remember to unmount the filesystem before physically removing the PCMCIA card reader! PCMCIA CD ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
from Collins: " Done deal. I'll be silent. I hope you'll continue to speak up. While I agree generally with the criticisms aimed at some of your comments (which criticisms seem to have provoked your above remark), the gentleman who made those criticisms has a delete key, as do I. In free discussion, as in free software, we're all, imho, better off having the widest possible variety from which to pick and choose according to our own individual preferences. To refrain from making a comment (or to advocate such restraint) because it might offend is, in my view, very shortsighted. For my own personal situation, I'm hoping to be able to use the a/LFS project to develop a 'distro' that will be suitable for me. For a number of reasons, this is likely to take a very long time. I don't mind that, inasmuch as my main reason for coming to Linux was a strong desire to understand and control what my software was doing and why. If at least I don't add any more m$ to what I already have then I won't be any worse off than I am now. If dep's distro fits for me, I'll be an enthusiastic supporter. In any event, I'm very glad he raised the question. R -- http://www.quen.net "Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Not a clue about backup
Someone really needs to introduce the folks at Netraverse to the amazing concept of 'patch'. Then they wouldn't need to tell people to start copying 60MB of source code to their ~ when a simple "patch -R" would fix any bad voodoo that occured as a result of their screwed up patch sets. On Mon, 13 May 2002, Scott S. Jones D.C. wrote: > I stumbled upon the instructions which told me to backup my kernel source > directory to my home directory. The instruction came from the Netraverse.com > site, where I was getting patches, etc. for a new kernel to install Win4Lin. > > Here's their instruction: > > 3.Copy the kernel source directory into your home directory by using these > three commands: > > cd $HOME > mkdir patched-linux > cp -ravd /usr/src/linux/* patched-linux/. > > I thought it was kind of weird too, but went along, wishing later than I had > not. > > > PS: you might want to consider joining the [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > mailing list if you're not already a member. I don't mind helping you > > out, but you'd get alot more timely assistance on that list. > > As for the list, I am joining it and will post my questions there. No > response is needed here, but welcome if you have any other ideas on this to > share. > > Doc > -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002, David A. Bandel wrote: > Well, I have my distro, "Chiriqui Linux", based somewhat loosely on LFS > (Linux From Scratch). I keep it small so I can boot and run off a CD > (even run without a hard disk), but it has X 4.2.0 and a whole bunch of > other things I use a lot. I use it for my wireless access points, and > more. Doesn't have KDE, but I don't use that anyway. My laptop has been > running this for a while now. I split the disk into two big chunks, > update one chunk, run from that, and in a couple of months I update the > other chunk and run from that. I take care of all the little details too > (like the pcmcia includes from the pcmcia-cs package being copied to the > kernel, etc.). Just curious. You say above "I use it for my wireless access points". Does that mean, a linux based access point or you connect to access points? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
Collins Richey wrote inter alia: > > [ snips ] > > On Sun, 12 May 2002 23:01:57 -0400 dep wrote: > > hey, gang! > > > > y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! > > > > > i put forth the opinion that caldera edesktop was for its time the > > best linux distribution from anyone ever. > > > > > and fact is, the distro i want to be running is caldera 2.4 upgraded > > to the current century. > > Dep, > > Not that I want to pee on your cornflakes, but you must be smoking > pretty good weed to come up with that idea! > I'm smoking McClelland's No. 24 Virginia at the moment, and find Dep's proposal reasonable. I am using a basically unmodified eDesk 2.4 on one of my boxes. All it does is word processing and internet/e-mail. And it does these tasks more efficiently and reliably than other more advanced distro's. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Funny stuff!
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:19:17AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: ... >Re the Gatwick and Heathrow shots, just be glad there are none showing >the BSOD in an AirBus cockpit. Damn! That's scarey! And I thought the French were not using the Windows virus. While Boeing's pretty committed to Micro$oft (perhaps the move to Chicago will help them see the light), I don't know anybody there who would think of putting it aboard an airplane for anything but game playing. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Democracy, n.: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic... negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Result is demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. -- U. S. Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932), since withdrawn. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002 08:08:13 -0400 Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 13 May 2002 0:34 am, Collins wrote: > > Dep, > > > > Not that I want to pee on your cornflakes, but you must be smoking > > pretty good weed to come up with that idea! > > > > What you want is gentoo - onetime pain (compiles, compiles), > > lifetime gain. gentoo is (mostly) LSB compatible, very current > > (or even bleeding edge, if you choose), and it only takes a few > > hours a week to stay current. > > Ya know Collins? Although this is a distro-free mailing list, I > get a little tired of your one-sided evangelizing I don't know > of anyone else you touts their distro with the ferver that you do. > And for that, I ignore much of what you say. > > Sorry, you're just coming on a bit too strong for me. I'd rather > hear rational information about the various distros. > Done deal. I'll be silent. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Mon, 13 May 2002 07:01:48 -0500 "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2002 23:01:57 -0400 > begin dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > > > hey, gang! > > > > y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! > > > > now, i admit that you might attribute this notion to the fact that > > i'm on some pretty fearsomely effective painkillers at the moment > > due to a physician who probably should have been a meat packer, > > but hear me out. > [snip] > > Well, I have my distro, "Chiriqui Linux", based somewhat loosely on > LFS(Linux From Scratch). I keep it small so I can boot and run off > a CD(even run without a hard disk), but it has X 4.2.0 and a whole > bunch of other things I use a lot. I use it for my wireless access > points, and more. Doesn't have KDE, but I don't use that anyway. > My laptop has been running this for a while now. I split the disk > into two big chunks, update one chunk, run from that, and in a > couple of months I update the other chunk and run from that. I take > care of all the little details too(like the pcmcia includes from the > pcmcia-cs package being copied to the kernel, etc.). > > My system, though, has no install method, no package update method > (other than recompile and reinstall). Everything is scripted, so I > just start the scripts and let it run. If I need to update a > package, I just update the reference to the package and run the > compile/install script. > > So it can be done, but it's a lot of work (or just a lot of time d/l > package sources and letting the install scripts run). > I use a somewhat similar but less work-intensive approach with gentoo. I alternate between two (or more) partitions on my hard drive. Frequently (and certainly before any major upgrades) I clone the current system to the alternate partition and verify that the alternate will boot (about a 35-40 minute process). Uses 'cp -a' to copy each directory with permanent contents, and modify the fstab. A few hours a week I spend upgrading anything new. If the results are acceptable, I remain on the current system; otherwise I revert to the clone. I've only needed to do this once in the past year and a half (that was when gentoo moved to the current system of init scripts and I fat fingered the upgrade.) My system is totally current, but not bleeding edge, and it's rock solid. Other gentoo users are gratefully chewing up the gcc 3 stuff and happily suffering with the non-stable results. All on basically the same distro. I occasionally install kde3 just to see what's changed, but otherwise I ignore it. Since a primary gentoo developer works kde3, I don't have to do much other than wait for a stable ebuild to be released and then spend 6-7 hours compling it and qt. I currently have gnome libs installed, because I like using galeon, but you can get most of what galeon offers with plain old mozilla. There are quite a number of threads on gentoo (as for any other distro) about the fun of installing to a laptop. I'm glad I don't need that right now. Like everything else with gentoo, installing to a laptop is a one-time painful scenario. After that it's all gold. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Monday 13 May 2002 0:34 am, Collins wrote: > Dep, > > Not that I want to pee on your cornflakes, but you must be smoking > pretty good weed to come up with that idea! > > What you want is gentoo - onetime pain (compiles, compiles), lifetime > gain. gentoo is (mostly) LSB compatible, very current (or even > bleeding edge, if you choose), and it only takes a few hours a week to > stay current. Ya know Collins? Although this is a distro-free mailing list, I get a little tired of your one-sided evangelizing I don't know of anyone else you touts their distro with the ferver that you do. And for that, I ignore much of what you say. Sorry, you're just coming on a bit too strong for me. I'd rather hear rational information about the various distros. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 05/13/02 08:05 + ++ " It IS as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you." ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
[ snips ] On Mon, 13 May 2002 07:19:36 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > > | What you want is gentoo - onetime pain (compiles, compiles), > | lifetime gain. gentoo is (mostly) LSB compatible, very current > | (or even bleeding edge, if you choose), and it only takes a few > | hours a week to stay current. > > when did it become lsb-compliant? it certainly isn't fhs-compliant. > probably my lone objection to it is that it reinvents so much stuff > that shouldn't have been invented in the first place. otherwise, > youbetcha, that would be a route to go, especially on machines that > run current boxed distros too slowly to be of much use. (this came > up in my little first review of suse 8.0 on the site -- someone > commented that very thing.) > The intent is to be fhs-compliant; I got the wrong acronym. > the beauty -- one of the beauties -- of 2.4 was that it was easily > manageable without being authoritarian. you could decide what *you* > wanted to do and then easily figure out how to do it. it was > friendly both to novices and to those who would fire up a text > editor to edit the stuff in /etc. and it managed to painlessly teach > users linux along the way. it additionally provided > industrial-strength stability, ease of upgrading using standard > tools -- skills learned with it would transfer in large measure to > other distros -- and was better than any distribution i've ever seen > in getting the user comfortable, even fluent, with the system. > > i'm thinking less a retro distribution than the distribution that > caldera would ship today if they hadn't gone in the direction they > have. i do not begrudge their having done what they believe they > have had to do, even though i disagree with it. but due to those > decisions, i find i'm left without a distribution that makes me > happy I, too, used 2.4 and liked it. Caldera was the first distro I could actually get installed on my older PC, so I still have a warm fuzzy feeling about the distro. What I meant by "retro" was simply the attempt to return to a nostalgic past when present day has moved on. gentoo is still a work in progress, but it is moving rapidly toward most of your preference points. 1) I believe it is possible to build an industrial strength system now using gentoo, but the methods are still beyond many but not all newbies. A great many newbies have jumped on board and made the transition with only a small amount of hand-holding. 2) I'm not too sure about the "painlessly teach users linux along the way" or "skills learned ... would transfer .." with respect to 2.4. One of the first painful lessons I learned was that Caldera's filesystem structure was different and that, therefore, RPMs created for other distros (notably RedHat, of course) would not work without major surgery. I'm pretty sure that many of the skills I've learned using gentoo (familiarity with the standard tarball approach to package installation, comes to mind, or the need to understand individual configuration files) are applicable to any distro. 3) "Ease of upgrading using standard tools". For 2.4 unfortunately the standard tool was there but the standard approach was not (see above: RPM), and many people on this list have complained bitterly about the "ease of upgrading" or lack thereof. 4) The "non-standard" features on gentoo boil down to three basics: the portage package manager, install from sources, and the init scripts system. Perhaps these are just "standards" waiting to happen. Prior to about six months ago, there was no adequate documentation for any of this, but the documentation is much improved. I hapen to like the portage approach. RPM is great if you stick to RedHat (or clones), but it breaks down rapidly for so-called "standard" distros that don't really adhere to the same standard. I also happen to like the new approach to init scripts. True, this is not directly applicable to other distros. Use of (and occasionally debugging of) portage installs leads you to a better understanding of the basic tarball approach which is the "standard" way of installing most software packages, and this is applicable to any distro. 5) I used to be a Caldera biggot, but now I'm a gentoo biggot. I've learned more skills (most of which are generic) since moving up to gentoo than at any time in the past. Also, I have a more stable and more easily upgradable system than I ever had with Caldera 2.4 Happy nostalgia, -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Sun, 12 May 2002 23:01:57 -0400 begin dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > hey, gang! > > y'know what the world needs? yet another linux distribution! > > now, i admit that you might attribute this notion to the fact that i'm > on some pretty fearsomely effective painkillers at the moment due to > a physician who probably should have been a meat packer, but hear me > out. [snip] Well, I have my distro, "Chiriqui Linux", based somewhat loosely on LFS (Linux From Scratch). I keep it small so I can boot and run off a CD (even run without a hard disk), but it has X 4.2.0 and a whole bunch of other things I use a lot. I use it for my wireless access points, and more. Doesn't have KDE, but I don't use that anyway. My laptop has been running this for a while now. I split the disk into two big chunks, update one chunk, run from that, and in a couple of months I update the other chunk and run from that. I take care of all the little details too (like the pcmcia includes from the pcmcia-cs package being copied to the kernel, etc.). My system, though, has no install method, no package update method (other than recompile and reinstall). Everything is scripted, so I just start the scripts and let it run. If I need to update a package, I just update the reference to the package and run the compile/install script. So it can be done, but it's a lot of work (or just a lot of time d/l package sources and letting the install scripts run). Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Amazing rebuttal to MS open-source FUD
The article below includes an amazing, although long, letter from a Peruvian government official responding to the local Microsoft rep's contention that the recent Peruvian government inclination to standardize on open-source software will (to paraphrase) result in the demise of the software industry, heh. I wish US officials had the clarity and perception of this guy. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
begin Collins's quote: | Not that I want to pee on your cornflakes, but you must be smoking | pretty good weed to come up with that idea! um, those aren't *my* cornflakes. so somebody is going to be surprised. | What you want is gentoo - onetime pain (compiles, compiles), | lifetime gain. gentoo is (mostly) LSB compatible, very current (or | even bleeding edge, if you choose), and it only takes a few hours a | week to stay current. when did it become lsb-compliant? it certainly isn't fhs-compliant. probably my lone objection to it is that it reinvents so much stuff that shouldn't have been invented in the first place. otherwise, youbetcha, that would be a route to go, especially on machines that run current boxed distros too slowly to be of much use. (this came up in my little first review of suse 8.0 on the site -- someone commented that very thing.) | All of the effort you would put into developing this retro-distro | could be spent putting up a state of the art gentoo system. In | fact, if you like it, you could produce tarballs and with minimal | effort distribute that. You could use the gentoo CD for booting, | generating a filesystem, etc., then provide instructions how to | untar you tarballs and modify the setup to complete a working | system. the beauty -- one of the beauties -- of 2.4 was that it was easily manageable without being authoritarian. you could decide what *you* wanted to do and then easily figure out how to do it. it was friendly both to novices and to those who would fire up a text editor to edit the stuff in /etc. and it managed to painlessly teach users linux along the way. it additionally provided industrial-strength stability, ease of upgrading using standard tools -- skills learned with it would transfer in large measure to other distros -- and was better than any distribution i've ever seen in getting the user comfortable, even fluent, with the system. i'm thinking less a retro distribution than the distribution that caldera would ship today if they hadn't gone in the direction they have. i do not begrudge their having done what they believe they have had to do, even though i disagree with it. but due to those decisions, i find i'm left without a distribution that makes me happy. suse doesn't, red hat doesn't (and there are other valid reasons not to use red hat), mandrake doesn't. debian is findamentally at about the same place 2.4 was, though they'll be sending along a new distribution soon -- is is leap year yet? -- which pretty much leaves slackware. there is no linux qua linux, in the sense that 2.4 was. i think there oughta be. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: [ltp] PCMCIA Compact Flash Cards ??
Hi > I am wondering, well hoping actually that someone can lead me to where I > can find out how to make a PCMCIA compact flash card work with a Linux > laptop (Red Hat 7.2) It should behave like a scsi disk -- just add a line like /dev/sda1 /media/cf auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 to your fstab. Then try mounting /media/cf You may need to use sdb, sdc, ... if you have other scsi devices attatched. Good luck! -j -- J. J. Green, Dept. Applied Mathematics, F40, Hicks Bld., Hounsfield Rd., University of Sheffield, Sheffield, UK. +44 (0114) 222 3742, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP http://www.keyserver.net ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
begin Tony Alfrey's quote: | On Sunday 12 May 2002 08:01 pm,dep wrote: | | | > a modern distribution based on 2.4, with | > everything simply updated to newer stuff. | | | | Isn't that what 3.1 was supposed to be? yes. i believe the crucial word here is "supposed." for instance, my 2.4 came with lilo, and it worked. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: can you update your submission?
speaking of apache, anyone attempted using apache toolbox to build apache 2? is it really easier? Douglas J Hunley wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Dave Bandel - Apache 1.3.12 with Frontpage example >>http://linux-sxs.org/apachefp.html >>Bill Parker - APACHE 1.3.20 >>http://linux-sxs.org/apac1320.html >>Bill Parker - Upgrading LILO to version 21.7.x >>http://linux-sxs.org/lilo217x.html -- may the force, the farce and linux be with you. See you in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Funny stuff!
On Sun, 12 May 2002 22:47:27 -0700 Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:37:44PM -0600, Collins wrote: > >On Sun, 12 May 2002 22:25:33 -0600 Tyler Regas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > >> modules > > > >ROTFLMAO - this is Windows to the core! > > Check out http://zem.squidly.org/bsod/ Re the Gatwick and Heathrow shots, just be glad there are none showing the BSOD in an AirBus cockpit. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
