Re: A contented linux user
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003, joel wrote: There was a lot of correspondence generated by that essay. It would be nice if all linux advocates bothered to learn to use correct English grammar and spelling, but, such is life. No worse than many teachers in the U.S. Government schools. Of more interest was the claim by one fellow that their switch to linux worked great until a couple of guys left who knew linux and then everything fell apart. He even claimed they got hit by viruses. Now, how can viruses affect linux if you are running the boxes properly? This one fellow sounded like he worked for a company that didn't have procedure manuals. In my place of work, a hospital, we have procedure manuals for every conceivable task. The vast majority of my small-to-medium business customers running Linux don't have any full-time IT staff. We provide on-line support, and rarely have to go on-site. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a refund from the IRS, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
Actually, I have to say that in certain cases, it *is* cheaper and even more stable to run Microsoft than Linux or Solaris, or any kind of UNIX. It's generally easier to find a Sys Admin who is familiar with Windows than someone who is familiar with UNIX. You can't swing a dead cat in a roomful of technical professionals without hitting a Windows person -- in fact, probably everyone in the room is a Windows person, if you live in Singapore or any part of Southeast Asia. That person is more likely to be able to setup a secure Windows server and apply patches all day everyday (in fact, that's probably what he does, besides trying to chat up the secretary, making coffee and rebooting and/or re-installing software) and accept lower wages. What about the license fees, you ask? Well, the copy running on his server probably isn't even legal. Try installing Red Hat here and you'll find : 1. The people that really know UNIX/Linux don't come cheap. You have to hand-hold and educate those that do not have skills in this area, and these people are normally reluctant learners. 2. Those that have a little knowledge in this area are the ones you need to watch out for, because they normally botch the software or server installs, resulting in a non-secure and unstable system. You will get lots of excuses from them, and denials -- and an unstable UNIX/Linux server! For me, I have a few personal guidelines on the choice of going with Microsoft or Linux or UNIX : 1. If you have no budget, but you have a lot of time -- go with Linux. Because you will likely be going it alone, you need the time, and you don't have to ask the boss for a budget. But document everything as you go along, because, at some point, you will need to hand over to someone else. 2. If you have a small budget and some time -- go with Linux, because the small budget is probably for hardware only, and does not include software licenses. Use the time to build a system that works well with minimal supervision (Linux + great hardware = awesome!) 3. If you have a lot of money but very little time -- go with Microsoft, because you can hire a whole herd of ASP programmers and SysAdmins for peanuts and get up and running very quickly. 4. If you have a lot of money and a lot of time -- go with Sun or AIX (forget SCO!), because you can hire good people to do a good job, once and (hopefully) for all. All this assumes that you know UNIX/Linux very well yourself! If you do not, then only option 3 will work, and you'd better be very persuasive. Regards, pascal chong Bill Campbell wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2003, joel wrote: There was a lot of correspondence generated by that essay. It would be nice if all linux advocates bothered to learn to use correct English grammar and spelling, but, such is life. No worse than many teachers in the U.S. Government schools. Of more interest was the claim by one fellow that their switch to linux worked great until a couple of guys left who knew linux and then everything fell apart. He even claimed they got hit by viruses. Now, how can viruses affect linux if you are running the boxes properly? This one fellow sounded like he worked for a company that didn't have procedure manuals. In my place of work, a hospital, we have procedure manuals for every conceivable task. The vast majority of my small-to-medium business customers running Linux don't have any full-time IT staff. We provide on-line support, and rarely have to go on-site. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a refund from the IRS, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 08:52:37PM +0800, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Actually, I have to say that in certain cases, it *is* cheaper and even more stable to run Microsoft than Linux or Solaris, or any kind of UNIX. It's generally easier to find a Sys Admin who is familiar with Windows than someone who is familiar with UNIX. You can't swing a dead cat in a roomful of technical professionals without hitting a Windows person -- in fact, probably everyone in the room is a Windows person, if you live in Singapore or any part of Southeast Asia. That person is more likely to be able to setup a secure Windows server and apply patches all day everyday (in fact, that's probably what he does, besides trying to chat I think Asia is a bit different from the USA. In Asia, as I understand it, intellectual copyrights are not rigorously enforced. Does MS make raids on businesses in Singapore to look for valid licenses? When MS feels the pain (It made 16 billion last year, so no pain yet) it might actually get a lot tougher on software pirates. If MS software is free, it IS a good bargain and why not use it. Upgrades costs will be minimal, too, so MS can't just gouge you as it sees fit. Having to pay for software that others use for free is just one more extra burden for American business. It seems odd that US based firms don't sue MS for not enforcing its copyrights in Asia. That might be a good class action suit! OT_RANTI can't help but compare this situation to the drug industry. We Americans pay more for pharmaceuticals because we respect copyright laws, whereas in Europe the governments are monoply buyers and threaten to make their own generics if the pharmaceutical companies don't meet their price. European drug companies are shifting their efforts to the United States, also. This can't go on, and already Americans are finding out ways to buy cheaper drugs from Canada. This will of course lead to fundelmental changes in the pharmaceutical industry, that is to say, a lot less drug research and a lot fewer new drugs. If you don't think this is important, think about the improvements in drug therapy for heart disease and cancer in the last 40 years. Naturally, certain types of politicians paint the drugs companies as bad guys. In a democracy, people in the long run get what they deserve. /OT_RANT Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
[ snips ] On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:50:49 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OT_RANTI can't help but compare this situation to the drug industry. We Americans pay more for pharmaceuticals because we respect copyright laws ... This can't go on, and already Americans are finding out ways to buy cheaper drugs from Canada. This will of course lead to fundelmental changes in the pharmaceutical industry, that is to say, a lot less drug research and a lot fewer new drugs. /OT_RANT Wrong, in true American fashion, this will only lead to new draconian laws that make it highly illegal for Americans to purchase cheaper drugs from abroad. The American drug companies will be protected at all costs. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Frequent job scheduling like cron
I have a job I need to run automatically at about every 5 minutes. Cron could certainly do that. But if the job should run long, I don't want it to be started again while a previous instance is still running. And if the job should run 4.5 minutes, I don't necessarily want it to run again in 30 seconds, tho that wouldn't be fatal. I could just use a script with a delay at the end before it loops back to the top, but that's crude and not particularly reliable. Any clever, robust way to do this? Thanks, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Frequent job scheduling like cron
On 09/14/03 13:13, Michael Hipp wrote: I have a job I need to run automatically at about every 5 minutes. Cron could certainly do that. But if the job should run long, I don't want it to be started again while a previous instance is still running. And if the job should run 4.5 minutes, I don't necessarily want it to run again in 30 seconds, tho that wouldn't be fatal. I could just use a script with a delay at the end before it loops back to the top, but that's crude and not particularly reliable. Any clever, robust way to do this? with cron an a more intelligent script :) seriously, you can have your script create some kind of lock file, and then whenever it runs, check for the existence of the lock file before proceeding. if it doesn't find one, then it should create a new lock file, do its thing, and when completed, delete its lock file. if you don't want it to do anything if its been more than a specific since the last one finished, you'll need to add some time/date stamp analysis functionality to the script so that it can determine how long its been since the last job ran. perhaps creating both a lock file, which is transient, and another file that just gets the output from 'date' cat'ed into it when the last job finishes. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 1:25pm up 1 day, 19:53, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.12 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Frequent job scheduling like cron
Net Llama! wrote: seriously, you can have your script create some kind of lock file, and then whenever it runs, check for the existence of the lock file before proceeding. if it doesn't find one, then it should create a new lock file, do its thing, and when completed, delete its lock file. Good thought and fairly easy to implement. Probably need to do some timestamp checking to avoid the permanent lock file syndrome. Thanks. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:34 am, Collins Richey wrote: [ snips ] On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:50:49 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OT_RANTI can't help but compare this situation to the drug industry. We Americans pay more for pharmaceuticals because we respect copyright laws ... This can't go on, and already Americans are finding out ways to buy cheaper drugs from Canada. This will of course lead to fundelmental changes in the pharmaceutical industry, that is to say, a lot less drug research and a lot fewer new drugs. /OT_RANT Wrong, in true American fashion, this will only lead to new draconian laws that make it highly illegal for Americans to purchase cheaper drugs from abroad. The American drug companies will be protected at all costs. And the said drug companies will/do dump those drugs that are declared unsafe in the US on other unsuspecting countries. There are some great examples in Oz at the moment I am informed. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:56:39 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the said drug companies will/do dump those drugs that are declared unsafe in the US on other unsuspecting countries. There are some great examples in Oz at the moment I am informed. But I hope are not taking! Terence ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
recording wavs
I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Any help with either of the above problems would be very much appreciated and speed me ditching windows for good. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On 09/14/03 15:20, Squabsy wrote: I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? Running out of disk space or memory perhaps? Do you end up with a file? In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Hardware problem? What are your hardware specs (CPU, RAM, HD) etc? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 3:45pm up 1 day, 22:13, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
HP1100
List I have a new HP 1100 printer, lasor. Cups / webmin just screw the setup to hell. Does anyone have a printcap for a HP1100 lasor or tell me How I can quickly set this one up. Using the parrael port 1 direct cable connect. Any help appreciated. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
Bill Campbell wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2003, joel wrote: There was a lot of correspondence generated by that essay. It would be nice if all linux advocates bothered to learn to use correct English grammar and spelling, but, such is life. No worse than many teachers in the U.S. Government schools. RANT My gracious, How many people anywhere do you hear use the nomnitive case of the personal pronoun after an intransitive verb? Always use the objective form after a preposition or a transitive verb? Split infinitives? As a retired teacher it blows me away the language I hear educators use. They make up more verbs from nouns and nouns from vebs and ... I can hardly stand it. There are plenty of fine words in the English language. Politions are as bad or maybe worse. If decent English isn't used at home or corrected when used anywhere it just gets worse and worse. Teachers at work used to give me a lot of static when I would correct them. END RANT sorry, Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:34:04 -0600 [ snips ] On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:50:49 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OT_RANTI can't help but compare this situation to the drug industry. We Americans pay more for pharmaceuticals because we respect copyright laws ... This can't go on, and already Americans are finding out ways to buy cheaper drugs from Canada. This will of course lead to fundelmental changes in the pharmaceutical industry, that is to say, a lot less drug research and a lot fewer new drugs. /OT_RANT Wrong, in true American fashion, this will only lead to new draconian laws that make it highly illegal for Americans to purchase cheaper drugs from abroad. The American drug companies will be protected at all costs. Extant laws will do. If the drug companies change any step in the production or packaging of the product, the FDA must reaprove the process. So changing the final packaging will make the drugs illegal in the US. Problem solved. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Sunday 14 September 2003 6:20 pm, someone claiming to be Squabsy wrote: I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? A timer? gnome-sound-recorder has a recording timeout as a preference, could be what you're running into In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Dunno qarecord, I use gnome-sound-recorder to record the .WAV. I set the timeout for 20-some minutes (long enough to record the side), then let it run... Any help with either of the above problems would be very much appreciated and speed me ditching windows for good. If you're restoring vinyl, I HIGHLY recommend the Gnome-Wave-Cleaner, http://gwc.sf.net. A fantastic program that will dnoise and de-click .WAVs recorded from vinyl. HTH, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 12:45am up 23 days, 6:39, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
(OT) bootable Compact Flash card adapters...
Anyone here looking for CHEAP solid state hard drives implemented using compact flash cards? Have a look here:http://store.ituner.com/ituner/emstcfl.html What caught my eye was how cheap these were... $25.00... -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 8:23pm up 66 days, 6:21, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
