Away from this newsgroup

2003-02-05 Thread m.w.chang

Owning to un-precedential problem, I must un-subscribe from this 
newsgroup. See you guys later. I will read the general newsgroup from 
time to time.

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Re: shuttle disaster [OT]

2003-02-04 Thread m.w.chang
I recommend dismantling NASA until they can find a replacement for a guy
like Wayne Ratiff... Not me, of course... :)

Michael Scottaline wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:00:42 -0800 
 Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:

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shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread m.w.chang

look at the faces of those scientists in NASA. That's what I called real 
experts. they knew a problem that couldn't be fixed and they didn't lie 
about it and keep trying. hmm.. hahaa... dam.. too cool...

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Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread m.w.chang
tell ya.. the shuttle was shot down by this thing:

http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?BAN914203

it's all in one episode of the anime. :P

dep wrote:
 begin  Bill Campbell's  quote:
 
 | Sounds like typical government efficiency and coverups.
 
 pretty much, yeah.

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networking hardware

2003-02-02 Thread m.w.chang

I don't understand. why the BNC connectors I bought these days are so 
loosed (compared to the ones I used back 15 years ago)?

Is making a circle at the right diameter so difficult?? dam

The same problem can happen to 10BaseT if those plug manufacturers are 
not careful about the product quality of those plastics... damm

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Re: networking hardware

2003-02-02 Thread m.w.chang
yes, plastic is cheap to replace and easy to find and synthesis, but do
you want a US$0.01 plug to mis-informated your whole battlion when a
netowrk failure happens in the course of a fierce battle? silly

m.w.chang wrote:
 I don't understand. why the BNC connectors I bought these days are so 
 loosed (compared to the ones I used back 15 years ago)?
 
 Is making a circle at the right diameter so difficult?? dam
 
 The same problem can happen to 10BaseT if those plug manufacturers are 
 not careful about the product quality of those plastics... damm
 

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Re: networking hardware

2003-02-02 Thread m.w.chang
computer, both hardware and software, is a life-and-death business.
couldn't these guys in the world be a little bit serious?

m.w.chang wrote:
 I don't understand. why the BNC connectors I bought these days are so 
 loosed (compared to the ones I used back 15 years ago)?
 
 Is making a circle at the right diameter so difficult?? dam
 
 The same problem can happen to 10BaseT if those plug manufacturers are 
 not careful about the product quality of those plastics... damm
 

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foxpro-like frontend for mysql backend

2003-01-31 Thread m.w.chang

anyone ever saw a mysql client that works almost like dbase or foxpro?	

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Re: rpm --port?

2003-01-31 Thread m.w.chang
I came across a webpage that showed a message about that option. It just
flashed across my eyes. I lost the link now.. forget it then.

Jim Bonnet wrote:
 m.w.chang wrote:
 
 what does it do? remote admin or just for downloading?
 Im running rpm 3.0.6 and I sure don't have rpm --port.. I do have rpm 
 --ftpport, and rpm --httpport
 Where do you see this --port option?
 
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rpm --port?

2003-01-30 Thread m.w.chang

what does it do? remote admin or just for downloading?


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linux from nothing

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang

We now got Knoppix and Gentoo that basically boot you into a working linux.

how could you start building a system using instructions on 
linuxfromscratch if you don't even have any linux distribution?

kind of like what Mr. Trovald got when he wrote linux-0.1. can one walk 
in his shoes?

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Re: gcc-2.95.3 and libstdc++-2.92

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang
got the answer from news://news.linux.org.hk

http://gcc.gnu.org/libstdc++/status.html

The most recent version of this library that will build with GCC 2.95.2 
 is the ninth snapshot release, libstdc++-2.90.8.tar.gz.

ok, I am and was not familiar with gcc stuffs... sorry.

m.w.chang wrote:
seems that libstdc++-2.92 was NOT meant for gcc-2.95.3.
even caldera used libstdc++-2.10 only. what should be the most updaetd 
version of libdstc++  for gcc-2.95.3 ?

anyway, I am trying to build gcc-3.2.1 now ...

m.w.chang wrote:
btw, does gcc-3.2.1 have latest libdstdc++ bndled? from time to time, 
some packages (like htdig) insisted on usnig it.



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Re: gcc-3.2.1

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang

ok. gcc 3.2.1 built following gcc_notes.
proftpd-1.2.8cvs built ok (now using it).
now going back to htdig-3.1.6 (which complained loudly about ostream...)

m.w.chang wrote:
 seems that libstdc++-2.92 was NOT meant for gcc-2.95.3.
 even caldera used libstdc++-2.10 only. what should be the most updaetd 
 version of libdstc++  for gcc-2.95.3 ?
 
 anyway, I am trying to build gcc-3.2.1 now ...


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Re: linux from nothing

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang
yes, WITH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE. it's a typo.. I didn't double-check.


why were you installing Caldera WITHOUT ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE? Don't you 
mean with absolute confidence? I'm not clear on your meaning of 

I didn't need to backup my data partition to install COL 3.1
I have no courage to do that with Redhat 8's installation. .. ...scarry


without backup. If you had a backup wouldn't you be reinstalling from 
it, and if not, why do you have that backup, especially since you say 
it's a production system? This makes no sense at all.


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Re: linux from nothing

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang
no. it's just a P3 on a Abit TUSLC-2 and CUBX with 384M RAM.


I'm sorry to butt in, but I've never had a REDHAT installations 
heave like your mentioning here.  Sounds like your installing on
the latest and greatest Pentium 4, with the ia-32bit verision, or
the CDROM your using is a dud.

No. I will give that redhat cd a 2nd try. I hope it's not a beta 
repackaged by the taiwanese. I got it off a Taiwan book at HK$ 80. COL 
3.x remained my first choice.

Maybe you should try downloading the ia-64 version of WS 3.1.1,
and see if your problems 'magically' go away.





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Re: linux from nothing

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang
I don't know what redhat was doing at all, but compared my virgin 
experienemnt with redhat ahd col, redhat is a mess. for any newbies, 
backup is a must.

the distribution. I understand you're speaking of your confidence level, 
not of the actual, realistic differences of the install process, however 
backups shouldn't be based on this factor at all.

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Re: linux from nothing

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang
on the other hand, I am expecting a proven COL 3.1.1 workstaiton cdrom 
from the mailbox.

I had one working copy, but its surface was scratched badly. All recent 
attempts to pull the same disk image off ftp.iso.caldera.com failed to 
produce a working cdrom.

Maybe you should try downloading the ia-64 version of WS 3.1.1,
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Re: linux from nothing

2003-01-29 Thread m.w.chang
I only heard that 32bit OS could not handles date arithematics after 
2038... :)

And as I understand it, going from 32 bits to 64 bits 
creates problems, and a OS developer has to start 
from the ground all over again?

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apache mod_perl

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

still failed. I installed from tarball perl-5.8.0.

** the compile script ***

if [ $MODPERL -eq 1 ] ; then
 cd /usr/src/mod_perl*
 perl Makefile.PL \
 EVERYTHING=1 \
 APACHE_SRC=../apache_$APC/src \
 USE_APACI=1 \
 PREP_HTTPD=1 \
 DO_HTTPD=1
 make
 checkinstall
fi

./configure \
--prefix=/usr \
--sysconfdir=/etc/httpd \
--sbindir=/usr/sbin \
--includedir=/usr/include/httpd \
--localstatedir=/var/run/httpd \
--runtimedir=/var/run \
--logfiledir=/var/log/httpd \
--proxycachedir=/var/cache/httpd \
--datadir=/home/httpd \
--iconsdir=/home/httpd/html/icons \
--cgidir=/home/httpd/cgi-bin \
--htdocsdir=/home/httpd/html/htdocs \
--manualdir=/usr/doc/apache_$APC \
--enable-module=all \
--activate-module=src/modules/perl/libperl.a \
--enable-module=perl \
--with-perl=\usr\bin\perl

* the error *

=== src/modules/perl
I-I../../os/unix -I../../include-DLINUX=22 -I/usr/include/db1 
-DMOD_SSL=208112 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite 
`../../apaci` -c mod_perl.c
/bin/sh: I: command not found
make[4]: [mod_perl.o] Error 127 (ignored)
o perlxsi.c -std
make[4]: o: Command not found
make[4]: [perlxsi.c] Error 127 (ignored)
I-I../../os/unix -I../../include-DLINUX=22 -I/usr/include/db1 
-DMOD_SSL=208112 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite 
`../../apaci` -c perlxsi.c
/bin/sh: I: command not found
make[4]: [perlxsi.o] Error 127 (ignored)
I-I../../os/unix -I../../include-DLINUX=22 -I/usr/include/db1 
-DMOD_SSL=208112 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite 
`../../apaci` -c perl_config.c
/bin/sh: I: command not found
make[4]: [perl_config.o] Error 127 (ignored)
I-I../../os/unix -I../../include-DLINUX=22 -I/usr/include/db1 
-DMOD_SSL=208112 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite 
`../../apaci` -c perl_util.c
/bin/sh: I: command not found
make[4]: [perl_util.o] Error 127 (ignored)
I-I../../os/unix -I../../include-DLINUX=22 -I/usr/include/db1 
-DMOD_SSL=208112 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite 
`../../apaci` -c perlio.c
/bin/sh: I: command not found
make[4]: [perlio.o] Error 127 (ignored)
I-I../../os/unix -I../../include-DLINUX=22 -I/usr/include/db1 
-DMOD_SSL=208112 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DEAPI -DUSE_EXPAT -I../../lib/expat-lite 
`../../apaci` -c mod_perl_opmask.c
/bin/sh: I: command not found
make[4]: [mod_perl_opmask.o] Error 127 (ignored)
rm -f libperl.a
crv libperl.a mod_perl.o perlxsi.o perl_config.o perl_util.o perlio.o 
mod_perl_opmask.o
make[4]: crv: Command not found
make[4]: *** [libperl.a] Error 127
make[3]: *** [all] Error 1
make[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/apache_1.3.27/src'
make[1]: *** [build-std] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/apache_1.3.27'
make: *** [build] Error 2


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Re: apache mod_perl

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
sorry... sorry... the slash

make clean
make clean
retrying...


--with-perl=\usr\bin\perl 

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Re: apache mod_perl

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
still got the error. any help would be appreciated.

m.w.chang wrote:

sorry... sorry... the slash

make clean
make clean
retrying...


--with-perl=\usr\bin\perl 



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Re: apache mod_perl solved

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

I restart the whole procedure from scratch. now things worked.
there is no need to use the --with-perl option.


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stdc++ and caldera

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

why why?
why did she insist on using libstdc++???

[Mon Jan 27 17:26:34 2003] [notice] Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_perl/1.27 
mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7 configured -- resuming normal operations
[Mon Jan 27 17:26:34 2003] [notice] Accept mutex: sysvsem (Default: sysvsem)
htsearch: error while loading shared libraries: 
libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot load shared object file: No such file 
or directory
[Mon Jan 27 17:28:31 2003] [error] [client 61.92.167.132] Premature end 
of script headers: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/htsearch


one more package that needs re-compilation

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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
of course not.

Net Llama! wrote:
 You verified the MD5SUM in windoze?
 but... execuse me, did they generate the md5sum from
 
 a. the authentic cdrom or
 b. the file on the server (which may have been corrupted)
 
 ?  :)
 
 when did you guys download the iso? My first download (done months ago) 
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Re: Windows 2000 and linux on same box concurrently

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

install the linux boot loader onto the MBR.
have it to boot linux and a Fat32 partition,
when it boots to the FAT32 partitionk it would fire the WinNT loader
there and from there you boot your Windows2000.

 BASIC QUESTION:
 Well, you get the idea. The basic question is what is the best way to make
 windows 2000 and linux run on the same box, at the same time, and what
 networking and hardware functions will be missing if they do.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
thank you. that's my point.

I would love someone to mail me his/her working cdrom via surface mail. 
I could afford a few USD.

The point is that all of this discussion, other than helping Chang with
his actual problem belongs on the General list.  The CD burning software
available on Windows and/or Apple is quite capable of burning an
accurate ISO image as is cdrecord.  This tells us nothing about why the
installation of the software failed.



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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
You Honour, could we go back to the original topic?
we were talking about the integrity on the COL 3.1.1. iso, not whether I 
used a window$ or linux to burn the image.

ISO is the data format. you can question the compilance of Nero Burning 
ROM to the linux cdr-record, but you shouldn't shift the focus from the 
ISO to the OS.

Net Llama! wrote:
Why, your beloved windoze can't check MD5SUMs??

of course not.
 You verified the MD5SUM in windoze?
 but... execuse me, did they generate the md5sum from

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Re: apache mod_perl

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
anyway, the apache compile how-to is really a bit out of date, one can 
introduce some improvememnts to it from the notes of linuxfromscratch, 
notably:

--enable-modules=all \
--enable-shared=max \
--with-server-gid=httpd \
--with-server-uid=httpd

m.w.chang wrote:
still failed. I installed from tarball perl-5.8.0.

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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
possible...but he didn't manage the ftp server. he merely gave the orders.


I had to re-iterate the fact that I had never failed to boot a linux 
iso burnt under Window$, your majesty. I meant all, except this COL 
3.1.1.
Its probably Ransom Love's fault..



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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
ok, I got no money or the right political environment to hire you.
anyway, this part of the thread was no longer related to my query on the 
 integrity of the iso.

Cut out this your honor BS.  My full time job has nothing to do with 
knowing how to burn a CD.  I was hired because i knew Linux, not the 
other way around.


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stored procedures and db server security

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

do yuo think stored procedures are actually a security hazard for 
database servers?

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Re: stored procedures and db server security

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

so how does that sql server worm spread itself it not using the stored 
programs at the server?

do yuo think stored procedures are actually a security hazard for 
database servers?
you got to be kidding. stored procedures are api methods that sit on
the database server. NOT a remote or local machine.


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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
write you back later tonight (HKT).

Kurt Wall wrote:

Feigning erudition, m.w.chang wrote:
% thank you. that's my point.
% 
% I would love someone to mail me his/her working cdrom via surface mail. 
% I could afford a few USD.

Send me an address in private email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll 
send you copies of the CDs I burned.

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gcc-2.95.3 and libstdc++-2.92

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang

not my first time to ask this question.  accordign to the doc in 
libstdc++, what I needed to do is:

cd /usr/src
tar xzvf /path/to/gcc-2.95.3.tar.gz
cd /usr/src/gcc-2.95.3
tar xzvf /path/to/libdstdc++-2.92.tar.gz
# take out the old ilbstdc++ that's bundled with gcc-2.95.3
mv libdstdc++ ..
# load the new libstdc++ , puzzling why -v3???
mv libstdc++-2.92 libstdc++-v3
ln -s libstdc++-v3 libstdc++
cd /usr/src
rm -rf gccbuild
mkdir gccbuild
cd gccbuild
# following the gcc_notes
./gcc-2.95.3/configure \
--prefix=/usr \
--host=i686-pc-linux \
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/g++ \
--enable-shared \
--enable-gnu-ld
make bootstrap
checkinstall

everyting was built,
*but* rpm -qil gcc | grep libdstd gave me nothing.

if I used the bundled libstdc++, there will be a libstdc++ in /usr/lib.

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Re: gcc-2.95.3 and libstdc++-2.92

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
btw, does gcc-3.2.1 have latest libdstdc++ bndled? from time to time, 
some packages (like htdig) insisted on usnig it.

m.w.chang wrote:
not my first time to ask this question.  accordign to the doc in 
libstdc++, what I needed to do is:
sr/lib.


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Re: gcc-2.95.3 and libstdc++-2.92

2003-01-27 Thread m.w.chang
on closer look, I noticed this error:

checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... (cached) 
/usr/src/gccbuild/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/src/gccbuild/gcc/ 
-B/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ -E
updating cache ./config.cache
ltconfig: unrecognized option `--build=i686-pc-linux-gnu'
Try `ltconfig --help' for more information.
configure: error: libtool configure failed

seems that the libstdc++-v3's configure failed to run 


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the latest worm

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang

was it another DOS attack on the root dns server?
There is quite delay when accessing American web-sites from Hong kong.

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re-compiling apache

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang

I am learning to re-compile apache, and for milk's sake,
why would the installation script touched the /usr/include/ctype.h?
As a result, after I used checkinstall to make install, a subsequent 
and rpm -e apache would delete /usr/include/ctype.h.

it's lucky that I used checkinstall, otherwise, I had no idea how I 
could find the right ctype.h to restore.

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COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang

I downloaded the ISO image again. this time, I ran md5sum on it.
same as the website. I copied it to Windows 2000 and burnt it with 
cdrwin 5. No error in the burning prodcess but it still didn't installed 
(saying that COL cannot be installed on the machien. consult the .. brah...)

My very first ISO (downloaded about 6 months ago) worked flawlessly. But 
that CDROM was scratched badly. I don't understand...

On the other hand, is the installation process picky on harddisk? I 
found that the gentoo 1.4rc2 booted happily on my new MAxtor D740X 60G 
hardidks, but not on the older Quantum Fireball LM 20G harddisk. gentoo 
freezed at partition checking: /dev/hda when booted with the 20G 
Fireball LM.

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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
I don't know how to burn a cd on linux.. (my last priority, frankly)

besides, it's not my first time to do it. gentoo, knoppix, COL 3.1 beta, 
COL 2.4 server, ... virtually all linux iso was burnt under Window$. no 
error was ever found, excpet this COL 3.1.1. So it could not be Window$' 
fault.


Net Llama! wrote:
On 01/26/03 19:01, m.w.chang wrote:


I downloaded the ISO image again. this time, I ran md5sum on it.
same as the website. I copied it to Windows 2000


That was your first mistake.



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Re: re-compiling apache

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
I noticed that the `make install`  ran chmod on /usr/include/*.h. and 
this may be why checkinstall included the file.  I think the 
installation script just copied some *.h files to /usr/incldue, but too 
lazy to write each each *.h a chmod statement.

I would say this is un-acceptable if that's the case.

Kurt Wall wrote:
Feigning erudition, m.w.chang wrote:
% 
% I am learning to re-compile apache, and for milk's sake,
% why would the installation script touched the /usr/include/ctype.h?
% As a result, after I used checkinstall to make install, a subsequent 
% and rpm -e apache would delete /usr/include/ctype.h.

Did the build process *change* the header file, or just touch it, that
is, modify the timestamp?  If the file was modified, then that's quite 
distburbing and certainly not something I want userspace software doing
to system header files.

Kurt

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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
for this, I had to disagree, your honour. It's freaking easy to burn a 
cdr under Window$, esp if yuo used Nero Burning Rom. It occured to me 
naturally.

Once I figured out the hardware issues on linux, I would say it might be 
as easy to do it with command=line cdr burnign tools under linux. my 
problem was with linux's hardware detection and installation. For milk's 
sake, I was not training as a system engineer, but a programmer. I 
received no vigorious training on unix internals and I beileve no one 
would ever pay me to do the training.

That's one of the more pathetic excuses i've heard lately.
I honestly wouldn't know how to burn a CD under windoze.  THen again, 
i'm not the one having problems using a CD burnt under windoze.

I had to re-iterate the fact that I had never failed to boot a linux iso 
burnt under Window$, your majesty. I meant all, except this COL 3.1.1.

error was ever found, excpet this COL 3.1.1. So it could not be Window$' 
fault.
Sure whatever.  Burn the CD under windoze, you have a windoze problem.


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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
it's a P3. so it should be fine. I had no idea why the COL 3.1.1 refused 
to boot up, except a suspicious bad cd image The COL 3.1 worked fine 
(ok, that one costed me US$ 59.95)

Are you sure that you have a compatible CPU?  The Caldera server
installations require a Pentium II or better while the workstation installs
work on lesser processors.


I had very good experience with Quantum. At least, it didn't die like 
the IBM DTLA series. :)

I've had quite bad experiences with Quantum drives, and avoid them wherever
possible.  The newer large capacity IDE drives may require newer BIOS if
you're running an old main board.


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Re: re-compiling apache

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
I restored the ctype.h from the rpm via cpio. make install and then a 
rpm -e,  .. boom... ctype.h was gone again. :)

I agree. You can always do make -n foo to see what the installation
will do without actually doing it. -n is a synonym for --dry-run.

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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
yes, after I figured out the ide-scsi things.. later. I didn't say it 
was impossible.

could someone burn  it for me and mail me (in Hongkong) the cdrom over 
snail mail?? :)

As for burning .iso's under linux it's as easy as : 
cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=4 somedumb.iso
No big deal... If you have openlinux installed... use the provided shell
Xcdroast... It works.


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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang

I paid $59.95 for COL 3.1 because of my respect for the original Caldera.


I paid 0 for my OS, how did you pay?


but yuo work full-time in linux and unix, I was working full-time in 
Foxpro and DOS. hwo could you apply your belief over me, your honour?

I received no official UNIX or Linux training.  All i did was read.  You 
know, that thing you do when you're not pointing  clicking?


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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
the point is whether it's a standard iso file or a linux-specific iso file.


Why burn in wintendo? what the heck is wrong with:
cdrecord -eject -v -data speed=XX dev=0,0 isoname.iso

where XX= whatever the speed (writing) of your burner is. Its faster, 
cleaner and bug free. Why would you want to use a virus to burn an iso 
of a real os?


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Re: re-compiling apache

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
=== [include: Installing Apache C header files]
cp ./src/include/*.h /usr/include/
cp ./src/lib/expat-lite/*.h /usr/include/xml/
cp ./src/os/unix/os.h /usr/include/
cp ./src/os/unix/os-inline.c /usr/include/
chmod 644 /usr/include/*.h /usr/include/xml/*.h

here is the offending section.

I configured my apache this way:

./configure \
--prefix=/usr \
--sysconfdir=/etc/httpd \
--sbindir=/usr/sbin \
--includedir=/usr/include/httpd \  --- no use at all
--localstatedir=/var/run \
--runtimedir=/var/cache/httpd \
--logfiledir=/var/log/httpd \
--proxycachedir=/var/cache/httpd \
--datadir=/home/httpd \
--iconsdir=/home/httpd/html/icons \
--cgidir=/home/httpd/cgi-bin \
--htdocsdir=/home/httpd/html/htdocs \
--manualdir=/home/httpd/html/htdocs \
--enable-module=all \
--with-perl=/usr/bin/perl \
--disable-module=perl


I agree. You can always do make -n foo to see what the installation
will do without actually doing it. -n is a synonym for --dry-run.

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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
that's really puzzling I pulled the image with wget. it pulled with 
binary mode, right?

Bill Campbell wrote:
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 01:44:55PM +0800, m.w.chang wrote:

the point is whether it's a standard iso file or a linux-specific iso file.


Nothing Linux specific about it.  I burn most of my ISOs on an Apple
PowerMac G4 running OS X 10.2.3.  It happens to have the fastest burner
here.



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Re: re-compiling apache

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang

sorry. I failed to run the make clean last time. (don't know..)
maybe a slip of fingers.


--includedir=/usr/include/httpd \  --- no use at all
--localstatedir=/var/run \


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Re: COL 3.1.1 on ftp.iso.caldera.com [2]

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
I did. The result is the same as the openlinux-workstation.md5sum file 
published on the ftp server.

but... execuse me, did they generate the md5sum from

a. the authentic cdrom or
b. the file on the server (which may have been corrupted)

?  :)

when did you guys download the iso? My first download (done months ago) 
was a good one.

Bill Campbell wrote:
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:16:12PM +0800, m.w.chang wrote:

that's really puzzling I pulled the image with wget. it pulled with 
binary mode, right?

Probably.  Did you pull the file with md5sums and check the ISOs
against these?



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Re: re-compiling apache

2003-01-26 Thread m.w.chang
thank you.. next puzzle is mod_perl.

after applying the mod_perl patch, compiling apache failed to buld the 
libperl.a

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writing simple business apps using mysql+perl+ncurse

2003-01-23 Thread m.w.chang

is it going to difficult?
was it popular?

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Re: writing simple business apps using mysql+perl+ncurse

2003-01-23 Thread m.w.chang
How long is a rope?


??? deadline? no deadline. just for fun. I always want to investigate 
the posibliity of replacing clipper 5 with perl+mysql+curse.

Are you a competent perl programmer?


no. I knew xBase (notably Clipper and Foxpro) from the bottom up.


Have you ever done any curses programming?


a bit. but using C. It's a distributed banking system prototype in a 
post-graduate computer course (which I didn't complete).

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Re: writing simple business apps using mysql+perl+ncurse

2003-01-23 Thread m.w.chang

was the combination popular among the developers back then?

now, we are all talking about java and php. curse? console-mode?
everyone will be laughing at you.  :)

Net Llama! wrote:

On 01/23/03 18:51, m.w.chang wrote:


is it going to difficult?
was it popular?


can you be more vague?



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vmware

2003-01-21 Thread m.w.chang
i don't understand.

why didn't VMware emulate a NE2000 but an oddward AMD type of ethernet 
card. (the virtual LAN card after you fire up vmware).

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Re: Oz cops it again, fire!

2003-01-20 Thread m.w.chang
may be bombing (real explosives) is a faster solution. :)


An American crew of a giant water bombing copter is on record as saying
, they had never seen
worse conditions and a bigger firestorm.

The forcast for tonight and tomorrow is worse than it was on Saturday, we 
are all fingers crossed.

Keith Antoine


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Re: Oz cops it again, fire!

2003-01-20 Thread m.w.chang
same thing could happen to those fire fighters when the arial command 
center crashed... :)

 Renmber the movie Blackhawk Down? wonder whether they can use
helicopters to plot ground troops' retreat given all the heat, wind and
smoke...


Yea, that's the movie where 2 copters crashed, and many people died.
wonderful role model.



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regex help

2003-01-20 Thread m.w.chang

what regex could exactly specify these patterns?

030118203923p
030119172924p
1mbtest.ptf
1kbtest.ptf

here is my attempt (/etc/proftpd.conf)

# Reject all files with leading periods or dashes
  PathDenyFilter (^|/)[-.] | \.ptf$
# to stop those numbered p directories
  PathDenyFilter (0|[1-9][0-9]*)p?$

I will update the sxs article proftpd.html if I got it working...


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Re: Oz cops it again, fire!

2003-01-19 Thread m.w.chang
I guess it's time to mobilize those C130 for fire-fighting.


The devastation we are seeing is the worst in living memory. I must admit that 
I am very gald to be in Queensland, but with the way the drought has provided 
fuel for fires we are not are not immune as 75% of the state is tinder dry.


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Re: Oz cops it again, fire!

2003-01-19 Thread m.w.chang
and on the bright side, there will less fire for the next few years. :)

are the 200 victims all fire fighters?


Well we have 33% of the national capital burnt out and 400 homes gone, 200 
serious burn victims. The hospital system in Canberra is overwhelmed, as is 
the emergency services. Similar situation has ocurred in the Snowy Mountains 

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Re: Oz cops it again, fire!

2003-01-19 Thread m.w.chang
they might have beeen too fast, but ran in the wrong direction.
even trained professionals might make a bad decions when trapped in the 
center of a hill/bush fire.

remenmber the movie Blackhawk Down? wonder whether they can use 
helicopters to plot ground troops' retreat given all the heat, wind and 
smoke...

No none of the victims are firefighters, just ordinary people who did not 
move fast enough
a couple were police, 4 deaths, 5 very serious burns which had to be air 
lifted to Sydney.

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Re: what's the point of /etc/cron.d?

2003-01-14 Thread m.w.chang
what's the point with /etc/inet.d as well?  :)
I think only caldera openlinux used them

Douglas J Hunley wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

I mean really.. I have /etc/cron.daily, cron.weekly, cron.monthly, and 
cron.hourly. so what's with cron.d?
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Re: what's the point of /etc/cron.d?

2003-01-14 Thread m.w.chang

most distributions use xinetd not inetd

ok, you still need the ping from inetd (netkit-base)


On 01/14/03 18:54, m.w.chang wrote:

what's the point with /etc/inet.d as well?  :)
I think only caldera openlinux used them

That's a joke, right?


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Re: I feel bad, but a great learning experience...

2003-01-12 Thread m.w.chang
why would they open ports 137-139? puzzling...
I logged many connection attempts to these 3 ports (and the SQL Server
ports as well) with my iptables.

 studies and prevention. The bottom line is; they had netbios going over the
 firewall...
 Anyways, if you have the interest and your usenet has the group... search for:
 Our large network hacked

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Re: updating openssh

2003-01-12 Thread m.w.chang
you need a passord to use the private key... hmm...I thought you guys
were talking about hacking the password out of the private key.

that's dictionary hack, I believe, which may be easier.

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Re: updating openssh

2003-01-12 Thread m.w.chang
let me try to publish the public key instead.

I forgot  whether puttygen.exe could produce the private key from the
public key.  I need to use the private key to connect to my linux's
openssh.

I could buy a cheap 64M USB storage to keep my own key. but it would be
nice to put it inside my mobile phone ... but any windows hacking
program could copy keys easier over the networking stack.

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Re: updating openssh

2003-01-12 Thread m.w.chang
my flaw. no way to generate private key out of the public key.
yes, I indeed didn't quite comprehend the maths involved in RSA.

still looking for an easy and safe way to access the private key safely
from my linux remotely... which sounds like a chicken-and-egg problem
with security.

m.w.chang wrote:
 let me try to publish the public key instead.
 
 I forgot  whether puttygen.exe could produce the private key from the
 public key.  I need to use the private key to connect to my linux's
 openssh.
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midnight commander

2003-01-12 Thread m.w.chang

what options should I use to make MC to be able to handle these weird 
directory names?

I could delete them with F8, but I wanted to peek. :P

 error from MC ---
Warning: Couldn't change to /usr/ftp/   .ÿ1ÿ /  . ÿ 2  ÿ .	

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Re: midnight commander

2003-01-12 Thread m.w.chang
I knew that trick, too. but I want to do it via mc.

bsides, what if the directory has multiple diectories like that?
* could not guarantee the right choice.

 cd /usr/ftp/*1*/*2*

what options should I use to make MC to be able to handle these weird 
 error from MC ---
Warning: Couldn't change to /usr/ftp/   .?1? /  . ? 2  ? .   

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COL Workstation 3.1.1

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
I downloaded the iso directly from ftp.iso.caldera.com (without 
registration on the webpage).

It seems that the installation process willl always access the network 
(after knowing that the cdrom has the files)and it would abort the 
installatio process for an unknown reason.

must I register my trial cd?

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[gentoo] installation

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
glancing the installation guide:

1. must the internet be accessible when installing gentoo?
2. what are Portage Tree and GRP?
3. where does the `emerge` command get her source files? the cdrom?
4. can I use my own kernel source (say a direct download from
   kernel.org plus xfs patch for 2.4.20) instead of the one bndled
   on the liveCd (ie, xfs-sources)?
5. if I choose to expand the Stage-3 tbz2 from the LiveCD,
   does it mean I could skip stage 1 and stage 2 altoghter?

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Re: COL Workstation 3.1.1

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
I had no problem with the COL 3.1 cd I bought.

For the same machine, the 3.1.1. image (burnt with Nero) aborted after
finding the installation source. It's an Asus TUSL2-C motherboard.
Strange...

 I have to suspect that something else is wrong.  I've installed
 quite a few 3.1.1 WS systems without problems or registration at
 the time of install.

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Re: [gentoo] the new xfs fs support

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
problem solved.

m.w.chang wrote:
 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml
 
 am I reading the wrong one?


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Re: [gentoo] installation

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
here

Code listing 9.2: Getting ready for GRP

# mkdir /mnt/gentoo/GRP
# mount -o bind /mnt/cdrom/gentoo/packages /mnt/gentoo/GRP

hmm... maybe I need to read something on the anotomy of the gentoo
distribution. I possibly missed a few pages in the user guide.

 I do not know what GRP is. In what context have you read this?

I supposed if I use stage3 from the LiveCD, nothing needs to be
downloaded from the net, right?

If I do everything from source codes (ie, everything pulled from net),
the installation process may take a whole day if not more. I would also
need a spare machine with a reliable ISP for that. That's comparable to
the effort involved in linuxfromscratch...

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Re: LAN*Assist on linux?

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
chatting only? can you actually place words into the command line of the
remtoe host from your machine? it's like an interactive linux session.

Net Llama! wrote:
 [y]talk

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Re: COL Workstation 3.1.1

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
I couldn't reach that stage. it died right after detection of
installation source. I did it make it through on the old i440BX
motherboard. hmm.

Rick Sivernell wrote:
 Well,  I have never gotten a good clean install on eW or eS 3.1.1. with
 kde there is a either a bad library r it is missing, I have forgotten the
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Re: knowledge base sotware

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
a replacement frontend for linux-sxs?
how about a bulletin board system?

Net Llama! wrote:
 Can anyone recommend knowledge base software?  I'm looking for something 
 web based that stores articles of commonly found problems in categories 
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Re: COL Workstation 3.1.1

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
I hope it's just a BIOS seting problem, not some tricks on the part of
SCO. hmm... the 3.1.1. installed on the i440BX baord, but not this newer
i815ep board. really puzzling...

 I've loaded a bunch of 3.1.1 WS systems, both from bought CDs, and from
 ones I've burned from ISO images (usually burning with the disk copy
 program on my PowerMac running OS X since it has the fastest CDR drive
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Re: [suggestion] db.html

2003-01-08 Thread m.w.chang
I am hitting the atexit() problem reported by Tim Wunder months ago
finally. :)  however, I haven't patched the makefiles according to the
glibc notes.

Net Llama! wrote:
 glibc is documented on the SxS, and is quite simple to build.

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Re: updating openssh

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
while sshd is active, can one rpm -e openssh and use checkinstall?

stayler wrote:
 Done it a couple times.  Just cron a restart of sshd for a few minutes
 later then kill sshd after the make install, plus editing of
 sshd_config of course...
 

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Re: updating openssh

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
my telnet is set to work on LAN only (not over the internet). just in
case but if I cuold use openssh only, I would rpm -e the telnet daemon.

the only hussles is the key. I have to figure out a way to let me access
my private key anywhere in the internet when I need it.

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 At any rate, i think until you HUP the daemon, it will continue to run 
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Re: updating openssl

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
yes. `rpm -q --whatrequires openssl` said so.

stayler wrote:
 mod_ssl will need to be redone if memory serves

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Re: Voice recognition

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
someone boasted how he used a nokia phoen to remote login a linux
server. how about using the mobile phone's voice reconigtion capability?

Joel Hammer wrote:
 I would like to have a linux computer be able to respond to simple voice
 commands. For example, to words like menu, action or cancel and also
 to letters and numbers. This might allow hands off control of a linux
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Re: LAN*Assist on linux?

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
vnc or tight vnc need the xfree86 right?
is there a console mode tool?

Wil McGilvery wrote:
 I use tight VNC and it will do what you want. Tight VNC has several good options for 
use over slow connections.
 
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[gentoo] the new xfs fs support

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
it's the 1.4 rc2 686 LiveCD

just downloaded the gentoo 1.4rc2 LiveCD.
the installation guide didn't mention how to create a xfs root 
partition. what should I do to use xfs?	

btw, the step of using dd to clean the first 1k of partition could be 
dangerous, isn't it? a wrong output device will render your harddisk 
unbootable, if not daming the FAT of an existing data partition :)

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Re: [suggestion] db.html

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang
thanks

 is it possible to place a link for db.html (compiling berneley db-4.x)
 in section database? that makes sense, I believe. :)
 sure. I'll do that.

if the procedure is proven, it'll help those that want DIY.

I finally reached the point where compiling a new package will produce
Tim's atexit() problem... :) But I haven't patched the root/perl strings
in Makefiles and set cross-compilation = no yet.

 the gcc_notes are my content from hunley.homeip.net . they are not part of the 
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Re: [gentoo] the new xfs fs support

2003-01-07 Thread m.w.chang

what's the command? the english user guide give examples for all fs
except xfs.

 Create a linux partition, and format for xfs.

take a look at the user guide yourself. :)
the step after creating the 3 minimum partitions.

 No more dangerous than any other command you run as root.  Why would you
 need to use dd for this anyway??
 

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Re: updating openssl

2003-01-06 Thread m.w.chang

that means i have to recompile all programs that depends on openssl?
doh... maybe I should stay with the symlink solution for a while...

 Building static binaries should be avoided unless you have a really good 
 reason.  They're an order of magnitude larger, and less efficient.  I 
 wouldn't consider openssl a good reason.


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Re: updating openssl

2003-01-06 Thread m.w.chang
how would openpkg help resolve the version dependency problems?

Bill Campbell wrote:

I'm looking very seriously at moving all of our customization and local
additions to work under the openpkg package manager.  This allows one to
work without changing the vendor's stuff at all, and is supported on Linux,
freebsd, solaris, and other *ix platforms.

There was an excellent article in SysAdmin magazine recently on this which
got me looking at it.
	http://www.openpkg.org/

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Re: updating openssl

2003-01-06 Thread m.w.chang
just learnt that. a power failure yesterday night forced me to reboot
the linux server, and sshd refused to run. had to recompile it.
so far, I had recompiled: proftpd, fetchmail, openssh, bind.
I think sendmail would have been affected if I used ssl login.

let me check apache...

Net Llama! wrote:
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[suggestion] db.html

2003-01-06 Thread m.w.chang

is it possible to place a link for db.html (compiling berneley db-4.x) 
in section database? that makes sense, I believe. :)

right now, it's listed only as a part of sendmail_antispam.

also, the gcc_notes was not listed under any section... if I didn't miss it.

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Re: updating openssl

2003-01-06 Thread m.w.chang
2 more: wget and lynx

m.w.chang wrote:
 just learnt that. a power failure yesterday night forced me to reboot
 the linux server, and sshd refused to run. had to recompile it.
 so far, I had recompiled: proftpd, fetchmail, openssh, bind.
 I think sendmail would have been affected if I used ssl login.
 
 let me check apache...
 
 Net Llama! wrote:
 The symlink method doesn't always work for everything.
 
 

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updating openssh

2003-01-06 Thread m.w.chang

how could one upgrade openssh if openssh is the only remote shell 
available on a linux server? I always fell back to telnet when I needed 
to update openssh.

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updating openssl

2003-01-05 Thread m.w.chang
after updating my openssl to 0.9.7, many packges that were compiled by 
myself was broken.

dig: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.6: cannot 
load share d object file: No such file or directory

It seems that I used the wrong method to compile them, which made them 
to be version-sensitive whenever it calls openssl libraries.

how should I compile my packages? most of them used:

--with-ssl=/usr/ssl
or
--openssldir=/usr/ssl



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proper way of compiling packages that used openssl

2003-01-05 Thread m.w.chang

i upgraded my openssl to 0.9.7 and suddenly, many packages complained 
about missing libcrypto.so.0.9.6. 	

hwo could I compile those packages such that they would not refer to the 
version of the libcrypto to be used?

--with-ssl=/usr/ssl
--openssldir=/usr/ssl

are these options the source of problem?

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Re: updating openssl

2003-01-05 Thread m.w.chang
you meant when builing those packages (like bind in my example),
I needed to use the --option to force static library build?

can I make bind to refer to libcrypto.so rather than libcrypto.so.x.y.z
where x.y.z is the version?

in the meantime, I am using symbol link.

 dig: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.6: cannot 
 load share d object file: No such file or directory
 No, this is the expected result when you rebuild openssl and a few other 
 libs.  The only workaround is to build static binaries.
 

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LAN*Assist on linux?

2003-01-05 Thread m.w.chang
Saw this question in hkpucg.linux.

how could you create a console session such that both the remote and 
local users can see the same screen and keyboard? kind of like the 
whiteboard in netmeeting.

The guy said you could do that easily with SCO Unix.

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Re: 2002 Remembrances

2003-01-01 Thread m.w.chang
that should have been joyful rather than joyous.

Same to you. May the force and farce be with you. :P

 Here's hoping you all have a profitable, safe, and joyous new year. 
 

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Re: Performance enhancements

2002-12-30 Thread m.w.chang
are you sure about this? it's in the source codes? I suppose any normal
kernel would suggest scream for help and halted if not gracefully
shutting down the system. I suppose you were joking. :)

 All recent 2.4.x kernels consume physical memory before going to swap.
 That said, completely disabling swap sounds like a recipe for disaster, as
 the kernel will start randomly terminating processing that are fighting
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