Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:17, Michael Hipp wrote: And he better wake up, IMHO, and realize that GNU and the GPL are very much on the table in this SCO debacle. He may start to get the idea when SCO's liars, er lawyers, show up with the subpoena. Cheers, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:45, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 02:02 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. So my question is, if you bought that and loaded it up, would you be guilty of violating some SCO license? g And could you get the tech support advertised on the box? The way I would read that is you could run it without threat from SCO since it is their product and it is based on the 2.2 series kernel instead of the 2.4. I don't think you would get support on it though since its past its support end of life date. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:16, Collins Richey wrote: There are only two possibilities - Novel/SUSE will become a dominent player in the linux marketplace, or they'll go under. I'm betting on the former. I agree. I think this is a good thing for both SuSE and Novell. Commercial linux needs a good buisness backbone and hopefully Novell can provide this since its obvious that Sun is never going to truly step up to the plate. SuSE has good products but horrible Sales people and marginal support services. Red Hat doesn't even bother with sales people. Novell in contrast too Red Hat and SuSE has very responsive sales folks and while somewhat of a behemoth their web based support has excellant documentation. Novell needs to do something new with their buisness though and with their purchase of SilverStream last year and Ximian and SuSE this year it looks like they are going to try something new. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hawking Switches [OT]
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 16:46, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Does anyone out there have any familiarity/feelings/horror stories with/for/about Hawking Technologies switches? I have one of the small 5 port (non managed) autosensing ones for home. I like that I can use any port for the uplink. My one complaint is that it seems to run pretty warm, but I haven't noticed any problems because of that. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Woes III: 6 weeks later. I still can't buy a license from SCO.
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 11:22, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2003 10:57 am, M. Drew Streib wrote: I have a request of Linux (or really any) news organizations. Find two or three of your best reporters and have them try, in the nicest way possible, to buy a Linux license from SCO. I'm having absolutely terrible luck, despite my most gracious attempts, to throw money at SCO (in return, of course, for the famed license). I can't believe that a sales force is this incompetent, or instead of that possibility, that SCO could be so blatantly outright in their lying about license availability. Hasn't it occurred to you that they don't want to sell you a license because if their IP claims are proven false... they could be charged with fraud?? It's just more smoke and mirrors. No, I don't think that its a concern over fraud. I think its more likely that they've gutted their sales force. I called them last week about a product and was unable to speak to a salesman. I finally got a call back after 5 working days. Salesman seems helpful enough, but they're unquestionably putting very little effort into selling products. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[OT] Re: Linux in the workplace, on the desk.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 10:30, Ben Duncan wrote: Same reason some of my Servers that exposed to the internet run COL E2.3 - with all the latest patches/security updates - of course. BFWIW - I am deploying SuSe 8.3 on desktop/Workstations these days. It seems to be really stable and flat out WORKS with everthing I have thrown at it, at the hardware level. Excepting using Evloution with KDE seems to do strange things, never start Galeon or it will launch multiple copies of itself, and sound configuration seems like its a bit touchy out of the box. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: it just gets weirder
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 17:20, dep wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,85288,00.html?nas=PM-85288 SEPTEMBER 24, 2003 ( COMPUTERWORLD ) - In a bold move aimed at reassuring its enterprise users that Linux is the right choice for their businesses, Hewlett-Packard Co. today is announcing that it will indemnify its Linux customers against any future legal action from The SCO Group Inc. . . . I'd think this is good. They're not admitting that SCO is correct, nor are they apperently paying SCO for licenses. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Trying to give SCO Money, Part II: Success (sort of)
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:00, M. Drew Streib wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A followup to my first letter, in which I tried to give SCO Money... Trying to Give SCO Money, Part II: Success (sort of) by Drew Wow, thats quite an ordeal. I'd love to hear how this turns out. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: email attack
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 12:39, Jason Joines wrote: Chris Kassopulo wrote: Greetings, For the last two days I've gotten 100's of emails containing exe files. Bogus microsoft updates and patches. Each piece is around 150k which makes for a long download on dialup. Are there any filters that can delete emails at the server that have an exe attached. I can put up with a little spam, but this is out of control. TIA Chris I had this same problem, then checked the procmail mailing list (nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.procmail) to see if anyone had a good recipe for it. I created a mail folder called null that is just a symbolic link to /dev/null and used this recipe that works great. # swen :0 B: * ^ZGUuDQ0KJAB\+i6hSOurGATrqxgE66sYBQfbKATvqxgG59sgBLerGAdL1zAEA6sYBWPXV null I've been seeing this as well, around 600 emails since Thursday evening, and our email server is slowing down because of it... Would running a procmail script like this actually help the server deal with the excessive traffic though? Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
TripWire on SuSE 8.2
Has anyone successfully installed Tripwire on SuSE 8.2? I was able to install the binary distribution, but when I try to run the tripwire --init it seg faults. I tried too compile tripwire from source, but this also generated all sorts of fun errors. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink..
- Original Message - From: Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.. They also have this proprietary driver for RedHat 8.0, which of course I can't find on Redhat's ftp server and neither does LinuxISO.org have them. If anyone can point me to a source for RedHat 8.0 ISOs, or have another suggestion, I would greatly appreciate it. I find it highly ironic that it looks like it would be cheaper to use Solaris than Linux.. sigh. You should be able to download a developer edition of UnitedLinux for free from the UnitedLinux site. You just need to register for their developer program, which is free. If you poke around on Oracle's http://otn.oracle.com site you should find a link to Red Hat where you can purchase their Enterprise server product for $60 or thereabouts, for development purposes. Cheers, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink..
- Original Message - From: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.. On 07/25/03 07:37, Shawn L Johnston wrote: If you poke around on Oracle's http://otn.oracle.com site you should find a link to Red Hat where you can purchase their Enterprise server product for $60 or thereabouts, for development purposes. Could you give me a hint where? I easily found something like that for UnitedLinux, but nothing for RHAS. There is a link on http://www.oracle.com/partnerships/hw/redhat/index.html?content.html too get the Developer Edition but Red Hat's web site doesn't seem too offer this any more it just goes to the Workstation product... Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
- Original Message - From: Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE? I would like to see a distro which is as powerful and GUI-Friendly as SuSE 8.2 pro, done with a Lizard install... Don't you all remember the beauty of Lizard!? Now only Lycoris uses it, and I'd probably be willing to run some Lycoris if they'd include some of the new packages (like KDE3.1, etc...) Amen too that. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux vs. xxxBSD
- Original Message - From: Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Linux vs. xxxBSD I have an upcoming web application that will be pretty intense and based around apache with a database backend. The server(s) will be headless, tuned for the job, and no desktop apps. Is xxxBSD really more stable than Linux? Is xxxBSD really a better performer than Linux? I'm asking because that is the contention of some ISPers I interact with. Don't particularly want to learn xxxBSD, but would if the gains were worthwhile - I'm a Red Hat guy at heart. Any thoughts appreciated, I'm not real familiar with BSD's, so these generalities might be wrong... I'd think that performence is going to depend greatly on your hardware. In general I think Linux will perform better then BSD if your using a SMP machine. If your going to be using +1GB of RAM, I'd also suspect that Linux will perform better. If your using hardware RAID, Linux is probably going to perform better. If you have a large filesystem(s), I'd anticipate Linux performing better. If your using a vanilla white box, BSD may perform better. As for stability... This is probably a bit of a toss up. I'd give the edge to BSD, but if you have good hardware and a good install of Linux with well tunned applications the difference here may be non existant. I'd also give BSD an edge in out of the box security over Linux. There are some recent articles on FreeBSD and OpenBSD at eweek.com as well: FreeBSD 5.1: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1184899,00.asp OpenBSD Gets Harder to Crack: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,894,00.asp Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT your_details
Rick Sivernell wrote: Collins I can do better than that. In class yesterday, I asked the prof what program would you use if you do not have winders. Her answer was, your out of luck, there is no other os than winders. 98% of the world uses it and it is the os of choice. It is hat the bussiness world uses. I asked her what aboutLinux and the fact that 27% of servers are Linux and opensource software is starting to take it place. She said never. amagzing is the fact of denial. or is it brain washed. Your prof is right though, at least for today and when you look at overall computer usage (perhaps not for whatever specific application your using for your class though). Most businesses run Windows. Most software that businesses use runs only on Windows or occasionally the more expensive Unix workstations. I'll grant that there are many small tech based companies (like where I work ;) that run heavily or exclusively on Linux but they are a small percentage of the overall market. I think this will change eventually, but for most it hasn't yet. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT your_details
Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: I beg to differ. The latest issue of AIArchitect (American Institute of Architects magazine) has recommended that anyone performing extensive calculations (read: CAD-CAM software - what architects use computers for) switch to Linux. Businesses are learning! Because all sorts of CAD software like AutoCAD runs on Linux Or not. Well at least Pro Engineer does. Sarcasim aside what sorts of mainstream CAD software runs on Linux now? Look at GIS as well. About the only commercial GIS software available for Linux is TNT Mips, which is a great product but definitely not the industry standard. ESRI Products like Arc View, Arc Info, and Arc GIS which comprise the bulk of GIS products are primarily Windows products these days. No Linux. You can purchase a clipped version of Arc View for a few Unix systems and Arc Info is still supported on a few as well. Map Info doesn't run on Linux or Unix. AutoMap doesn't run on non windows platforms either. Cheers, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Red Hat Advanced Workstation
Has anyone used the Red Hat Workstation? Does it seem good, bad, or just a basic Red Hat product with a higher price tag? Many thanks, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Two reasons I use Linux
Nice. I got too 494 days on a server last year and then the UPS blew up. It was a sad day. Shawn Matthew Carpenter wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# w 8:49am up 478 days, 21:51, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.12, 0.09 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT snip [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# w 2:12pm up 414 days, 2:40, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT snip ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache Reference
Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, I'm venturing into the wild world of Apache services, and wondered if there any suggestions on good reference materials. Any thoughts out there? Without starting a vi-emacs style war, of course. ;-}) In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed Apache, The Definitive Guide 3rd Edition (O'Reilly) Ben Laurie Peter Laurie Maximum Apache Security (Sams Publishing) Anonymous Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: the latest from sco
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: And by licenses, I would imagine that must mean SOURCE licenses, Since my Caldera came with the SOURCE (GNU and all that) as well as a License from SCO, am I a SOURCE licensee? Of course, not of UnixWare/SVR5. The interview referrd to 30,000 licensees. These cannot be UnixWare/SVR5 source licensees, can it? Sounds like a hefty number. The way I interpreted was the 30,000 licenses are indeed for UnixWare/SVR5. I'd guess that he's including licensing agreements for older code as well, perhaps going back to licenses given to universities. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Free (Beer of Speech) Windows NFS Clients?
Rick Sivernell wrote: Kurt I beleive that it is in Win2k, or the ability to perform the task. I have a win2k box that has read nfs from both solaris the old caldera linux look at the property box on the selected drive in winders. cheers No, its not there by default. I think the Resource Kit has NFS, but this is a commercial addon ;( The last time I looked I didn't see anything promising for open source NFS for windows. I'd also be very interested in hearing if you find anything Kurt. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Lindows.com Revelation Could Be Fatal Blow to SCO Case
Kurt Wall wrote: I'm of the opinion that Lindows is simply trying to portray itself as somehow immune from prosecution by SCO. If the press conference that SCO had today (as dep reported at http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=360) is accurate -- and I have no reason to believe that it isn't -- then Lindows, as a SCO customer, is precisely one of the targets SCO is sighting in. I think its more likely that they're following the adage No press is bad press. With the SCO news feeding frenzy right now its a cheap way for Lindows to get some attention. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS resizing Win2k
Andrew Mathews wrote: Nope. It's a one way street, as is LVM. AFAIK, no filesystem supports shrinking, at least I haven't found a way with AIX, Solaris, IRIX, or any others. The easiest way is to xfsdump the mountpoint, drop it and recreate it with the size required, and xfsrestore the data. You can do this with the installer iso by entering rescue mode, mounting /dev/hda3 as a temporary mountpoint and chrooting to the mountpoint. A tape drive would be handy for this as you won't be able to mount anything via nfs since networking won't be available. You'll also need to do this after installing Windows to be able to rerun lilo, otherwise Win will be the only thing that's bootable. Also see: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#resizexfspartition I believe you can shrink both reiser and vxfs filesystems. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS resizing Win2k
Net Llama! wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2003, Shawn L Johnston wrote: Andrew Mathews wrote: Nope. It's a one way street, as is LVM. AFAIK, no filesystem supports shrinking, at least I haven't found a way with AIX, Solaris, IRIX, or any others. The easiest way is to xfsdump the mountpoint, drop it and recreate it with the size required, and xfsrestore the data. You can do this with the installer iso by entering rescue mode, mounting /dev/hda3 as a temporary mountpoint and chrooting to the mountpoint. A tape drive would be handy for this as you won't be able to mount anything via nfs since networking won't be available. You'll also need to do this after installing Windows to be able to rerun lilo, otherwise Win will be the only thing that's bootable. Also see: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#resizexfspartition I believe you can shrink both reiser and vxfs filesystems. e...vxfs ?? Sorry, Veritas Filesystem. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS resizing Win2k
Net Llama! wrote: Seriously, does win2k need to be on the first partition of the primary master IDE channel? I don't want to go through all of this to find out that win2k won't fly. No it doesn't. On my home box I have UnixWare on the first partition, Win2k on the second, and OpenLinux on a third extended partition. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
network usage monitoring tools
I'm looking to add some sort of network monitoring tool to our LAN at the office. I want to be able to see how much of our bandwidth is being used and from which systems. I've taken a quick look at Sniffer Pro from Network Associates, but I'd like to go with an opensource tool for this instead. Any recommendations, places to do further reading? Many thanks, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network usage monitoring tools
Thanks, that looks like what I want. Shawn Net Llama! wrote: mrtg On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Shawn L Johnston wrote: I'm looking to add some sort of network monitoring tool to our LAN at the office. I want to be able to see how much of our bandwidth is being used and from which systems. I've taken a quick look at Sniffer Pro from Network Associates, but I'd like to go with an opensource tool for this instead. Any recommendations, places to do further reading? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: address info / ldap question
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I doubt that the parents in my daughter's class want to pay for me to install Novell on my server for this :) BTW, someone told me today that the city of Stockholm is Novell's biggest single client. Sounds odd to me. On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:08:14+0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually... If you hurry you can get Novell's eDirectory with 250,000 user licenses for free. http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/promo.html Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: address info / ldap question
Tim Wunder wrote: On 3/14/2003 10:00 AM, someone claiming to be Shawn L Johnston wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I doubt that the parents in my daughter's class want to pay for me to install Novell on my server for this :) BTW, someone told me today that the city of Stockholm is Novell's biggest single client. Sounds odd to me. On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:08:14+0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually... If you hurry you can get Novell's eDirectory with 250,000 user licenses for free. http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/promo.html What's Linux 8.0? http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/quicklook.html quote In addition to supporting Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) and many other existing Internet standards, eDirectory runs on more network operating systems than any of its competitors. Specifically, eDirectory runs on the following platforms: * IBM AIX * Linux 8.0 * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 * Microsoft Windows 2000 Server and Advanced Server * Novell NetWare 5.x and 6 * Sun Solaris /quote I think they mean Red Hat 8.0... I think its officially only certified to run on Red Hat. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: idiocy
Bill Campbell wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 02:09:39PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: ... IBM doesnt have to settle with a company this small. They can just eat them. Perens doesnt believe SCO realistically thinks it has a chance of winning this lawsuit. In filing this suit they have put a gun to the head of their own software business and pulled the trigger. No one in the Linux world will ever recommend them for anything again, and other people will look at this and say 'no, this too nutty, I dont trust these guys.' Would that make my Caldera stock worth something? Its at $3.50 at the moment... Better than they've done for a while. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: The Free Software Foundation's open letter to the UnitedLinuxBoard
On Thursday 19 September 2002 08:22 am, you wrote: Further so we don't start spreading FUD, The UL Closed Beta WAS distributed like ANY other version of Linux, with 2 CD's and one sources CD. Further my .02$- The author needed to do some more research and checking: 1) Get a spell checker 2) Send the mail to someone besides WEBMASTER?! at unitedlinux.com and the alias's associated with each of the 4 companies. The names of parties involved with UL were listed in the conference call if they listened. 3) Goto http://www.caldera.com/products/beta/ and see for his self how the closed beta was distributed by SCO Regards- Jim Bonnet Yeah... don't confuse us with the facts, its more fun to call SCO a parasite. :) Cheers, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: United Linux: why MandrakeSoft will not join
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 03:32 pm, you wrote: I found this remark which I snipped from the article (a Mandrake manifesto IMHO) rather amusing: Before the Linux Standard Base, there was a de facto standardization phenomenon. When studying the Linux distributions, it is clear that most of them are based on Red Hat, Debian and Mandrake, which qualifies them as de facto standards. I thought more portent was their remark a little further down: It is extremely hard for us to understand why some software publishers and hardware manufacturers only support one Linux distribution. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: dep, FHS, Slackware
On Sunday 30 June 2002 06:39 pm, you wrote: When a commercial client talks to me about Linux. They mean Red Hat and I don't attempt to persuade them any different. I wouldn't even bring up Slack, Gentoo or now even Caldera or SuSE. But the real enemy is none of those and you know who I mean. Red Hat may not be perfect but it beats the alternative. We may be reluctant to cheer for Red Hat. But at least they're actually *in* the game. Far more than can be said for any of the others. Especially now that UnitedNoDesktopsLinux is destined to remembered only by the size of their smoking hole in the ground. I think its a little early to sell the tickets for the UnitedLinux funeral, it should at least be intersting to watch esp. if/when Sun gets in with a linux distro of their own. I had hoped that SGI might consider creating a linux distro but they've never seemed to show an interest in doing so. I can see why you might choose not to bring up alternatives to Red Hat at this point though. Either way it would be a bad thing to have a single linux distro as the only one used in commercial settings. Too little competition breeds poor quality for the customer, i.e. Microsoft. Besides, if Red Hat was really interested in buisness it wouldn't take them 3 months to return a sales call. I know it was just bad luck, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. ;) Cheers, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Still the best...
On Friday 21 June 2002 01:16 pm, you wrote: I agree with you ideally. I (and many others) have been suggesting the creation of a base distro for some time. It just makes sense. One of the greatest likes about Caldera is the ease of installation. I grit my teath in anger every time I read one of these articles about how easy Mandrake or Red Hat is to install. To be fair, I haven't really done anything with Red Hat since 6.2. How can anyone stand Mandrake's installation program though is a mystery to me. I don't find that its hard, its just so bloody long. In general I also haven't seen that it has better hardware support than Caldera does either, but maybe I haven't compared enough machines. Add to that trying to find info on their support pages is a memorable experience, nor is Red Hat's support site much better. I like the basic ideas on UnitedLinux, but Lizard would be one thing I hope doesn't leave Caldera's implementation. I know Lizard isn't perfect, but it seems better than anything else I've tried. Is anything else out there as good or better on this? I have not tried SUSE... Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: We're burning ot
Up here one idiot bought a Siberian tiger for his back yard. At least he did build a cage for it. Was kinda funny though to watch the county scramble to try and find a law to get rid of it, they came up short though. Haven't heard about it for a while, guess it hasn't escaped yet :) Shawn On Monday 10 June 2002 03:45 pm, you wrote: Around here wolves come in rural yards and eat dogsleave nothing but the collar and chain. On Monday 10 June 2002 03:37 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: 1859...from england...thomas austin. But AU should really import some of our american coyote's. They make wonderful pets...and they eat cats too! e...ok. my cats are offended by that remark. And technically, wolves will attempt to eat just about any living animal. I've seen coyotes in the hills around where i live. On Monday 10 June 2002 06:10 am, M.W.Chang wrote: hmm.. look what wild rabbits did with Australia? I heard that it was inserted from USA :) Since they already have that idea, I guess I can feel free to say it. I'll shut up now, just in case they try to get any more silly ideas from me. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
