Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Well I guess it could be worse... After the Fellowship movie came out, someone started calling me Elrond... apparently there is some similarity in looks... I've been brushing up on my immitations of the guy... How's this: What good is a phone call... if you are unable to speak? Mr. Anderrssonnn :) On Fri, 24 May 2002 14:15:02 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 11:13, Matthew Carpenter wrote: wwwWRROOOuuuwuwSCREECHhhh Sorry. You asked for feedback Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Actually, KDE used Kandalf... On Fri, 24 May 2002 10:55:16 -0400 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Keith Antoine wrote: sniP Thank the losrd someonelse is like me and forgets things, must be aging. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage Keith, I know you have more EXPERIENCE than I and maybe a couple of others. Do not confuse this EXPERIENCE with age. While it takes some time to gasther all of this EXPERIENCE, in the process some of the more irrelevant facts become lost in the enrichment of the mind. Attitude is what determines age. Seems to me you have the proper attitude so's not to be classified as aged. Bob -- A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well, than a fool can see from a mountain top. Unknown ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Saturday 25 May 2002 11:54, David A. Bandel wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2002 21:16:04 -0400 begin Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Sauron created the rings -- the ring Gollum stole was the one ring. Nine rings for mortal men doomed to die, seven rings for the elven kings under the sky ... etc. (5 and 3 IIRC) ... one ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. What we should be calling skippy is Goodgulf from Bored of the Rings. ;-) Rofl all over the place! However I object as my ring is not BORED. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Saturday 25 May 2002 13:30, Jim Conner wrote: Dang, and I read the books earlier this year, and saw the movie. I must be getting forgetful. :) Thank the losrd someonelse is like me and forgets things, must be aging. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Fri, 24 May 2002 14:15:02 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively: On Friday 24 May 2002 11:13, Matthew Carpenter wrote: wwwWRROOOuuuwuwSCREECHhhh Sorry. You asked for feedback Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Mike -- He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot. -Groucho Marx ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. Pity. That was the _only_ version of KDE that didn't suck. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 9:55, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. -- 3:42pm up 18 days, 5:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Kurt -- Fifth Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Or the ring found Bilbo G. Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Kurt -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Fri, 24 May 2002 21:16:04 -0400 begin Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Sauron created the rings -- the ring Gollum stole was the one ring. Nine rings for mortal men doomed to die, seven rings for the elven kings under the sky ... etc. (5 and 3 IIRC) ... one ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. What we should be calling skippy is Goodgulf from Bored of the Rings. ;-) Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Dang, and I read the books earlier this year, and saw the movie. I must be getting forgetful. :) Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 8:16, Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Kurt -- 9:42pm up 18 days, 11:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Skippy (Keith Antoine) observed: Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. I don't know if the SuSE fetish for restoring the cd recording packages is caused by some security concern or just poor implementation of a good concept. SuSE for me is an aggravating distro. They are good when it comes to posting updates and how-to's, and by and large it works out of the box. But somehow it never lives up to expectation. With Mandrake, on the other hand, you take it for granted that it is broken from the start. It's amusing and sometimes educational to play with these distro's, but after using eDesk 2.4 and Libranet Debian for a couple of years I have an expectation, perhaps unreasonable in the present state of Linux, that a Big Buck$ distro will work for me rather than against me. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 16:37:21 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My one beef (other than the price!) right now is the inability to install the yahoo messenger rpm; dependency problems. I went with gaim instead. works well. I still don't understand this one. I suppose I did a --nodeps and probably created a softlink to an existing lib, but it works. I just don't like it as well as Everybuddy. Other than that, I agree with Ken. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 18:31:42 -0600 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian (updates for most things available), Slackware (somewhat fewer choices. Or gentoo (if you can tolerate updates from source), but I'm not supposed to say that out loud. To each his own. What do you want out of a distro? The is something (IIRC) called Wizard Linux, where after a dinky base install (like a Kernel and the installer) it downloads and installs everything from source... It could be fun, if you can spare the time :) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wednesday 22 May 2002 07:34 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 11:47, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. I have SuSE 8 on my lab rat where I too reluctantly spend time with it. Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. Well, that's what I thought. So when are you gonna get up off of your soft *^% and release your aforementioned SkippyLinux (tm) ?? ;-) -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wednesday 22 May 2002 05:31 pm,Collins wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:50:14 -0700 Tony Alfrey snip Geeze Looeeze Skipmeister, whadda ya tryin' t do t me?? Everybody's got me enthused about 3.1.1 and now you tell me it is bad news??? What do you mean that it won't update?? Inquiring minds want to know. I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian snip This update thing has 'always' been a hassle (vis-a-vis distro-specific rpms). I do not mind compiling anything as long as I know where I'm supposed to put the end result. Is there not some way that we can begin to get some 'parts list', if you will, for updates, source, etc. In other words, we need to know the equivalent of making an rpm? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Thu, 23 May 2002 10:17:15 -0400 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 18:31:42 -0600 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian (updates for most things available), Slackware (somewhat fewer choices. Or gentoo (if you can tolerate updates from source), but I'm not supposed to say that out loud. To each his own. What do you want out of a distro? The is something(IIRC) called Wizard Linux, where after a dinky base install (like a Kernel and the installer) it downloads and installs everything from source... It could be fun, if you can spare the time :) What I want out of a distro is a system that can be continually upgraded in a standard fashion as new versions of packages that I'm interested in become available. I heard very good things about the Wizard distro (somewhat similar to gentoo), but unfortunately Wizard bit the dust after an internal developers squabble. While I support the concept of developing your own distro (it's good clean fun and educational and who could resist a Skippy distro grin), I question the long term viability. Either you choose an RPM binary distro, in which case you'd better choose a directory structure something like RedHat or you need someone to maintain a repository of new RPMs that match your structure. Or you could try something based on SRPMs in which case you effectively have a source based distribution using the RPM tool to put it together. When and where do you want to spare the time? In my case I do most of the suffering up front (close to a year ago now) unless I want a new version of a big hitter like kde or gnome. For most of the packages I'm interested in (sylpheed, xfce, mozilla), I crank up an install in an aterm while I'm reading mail or browsing linux news. Not much pain at all. Much less pain than tinkering with RPMs that weren't designed for my system (the Caldera problem in a nutshell). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Friday 24 May 2002 02:02, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 07:34 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 11:47, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. I have SuSE 8 on my lab rat where I too reluctantly spend time with it. Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. Well, that's what I thought. So when are you gonna get up off of your soft *^% and release your aforementioned SkippyLinux (tm) ?? ;-) WEll I Never!! I have started downloading the very latest upgrades and will as AFAIK need to install a Calder version so as I can process all these files to i386 rpms. There will inevitably be tarballs to process, so i am searching at the same time for a prog that I know exists fro processing the directly to rpms. Its like checkinstall but one does not need to have it attended to. BTW I have no idea what to call it as there will be input from this list, so i should ask the members what they think. I also think that it should reflect the list itself as I am going to put it online with the SxS when its done. I also think that i should take this thread to the General list, what do others think ? Are many of you subbed there ? Updates will not be too bad as I do have time and am sure other would contribute so long as I kept the important updates UP. I would be doing them for myself anyway. Feed back please. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
begin Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thu, 23 May 2002 15:33:18 -0600) snip While I support the concept of developing your own distro (it's good clean fun and educational and who could resist a Skippy distro grin), I question the long term viability. Either you choose an RPM binary distro, in which case you'd better choose a directory structure something like RedHat or you need someone to maintain a repository of new RPMs that match your structure. Or you could try something based on SRPMs in which case you effectively have a source based distribution using the RPM tool to put it together. When and where do you want to spare the time? In my case I do most of the suffering up front (close to a year ago now) unless I want a new version of a big hitter like kde or gnome. For most of the packages I'm interested in (sylpheed, xfce, mozilla), I crank up an install in an aterm while I'm reading mail or browsing linux news. Not much pain at all. Much less pain than tinkering with RPMs that weren't designed for my system (the Caldera problem in a nutshell). I'm with you, I choose COL because I really like the feel and I'm comfortable that things work pretty well out of the box. Additional functionality I can get from FreshMeat or elsewhere and (with the help of CheckInstall or just hacking a SRPM) I can get clean Caldera RPMs Speaking of which, I've spent some time building several RPMs for cracking WEP. They require a few RPMs from the ftp2.caldera.com site to get AirSnort to work, but the worst trouble was getting the Linux-WLAN drivers patched and working. I have not completed the task of cracking WEP with them, but they all seem to work correctly. If anyone is interested, email me offlist. If anyone is interested in hosting compiled RPMs for different distros (Caldera in particular), I'd be interested in sharing! It should be a pretty fast site. Matt ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Thursday 23 May 2002 04:17 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: snip Feed back please. I think we're looking forward to what you cook up. From my view, I'm almost more interested in the process than in the end result.. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Friday 24 May 2002 11:13, Matthew Carpenter wrote: wwwWRROOOuuuwuwSCREECHhhh Sorry. You asked for feedback Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Caldera 3.1.1
Hi gang! Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 06:18:54 -0700, Tony Alfrey wrote: Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks Not really... I had better luck with Slackware 8.0 YMMV Stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wednesday 22 May 2002 23:18, Tony Alfrey wrote: Hi gang! Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks Geez, Tony where yer bin mate. Both of us over the years have 'talked' and I guess i know a few things that you require, 3.1.1 is not one of them. Unless you like being frustrated at not being able to update easily. They went backwards and still are going that way since 2.4.. The door is that way, Sir grin -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:50:14 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 01:43 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 23:18, Tony Alfrey wrote: Hi gang! Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks Geez, Tony where yer bin mate. Both of us over the years have 'talked' and I guess i know a few things that you require, 3.1.1 is not one of them. Unless you like being frustrated at not being able to update easily. They went backwards and still are going that way since 2.4.. The door is that way, Sir grin Geeze Looeeze Skipmeister, whadda ya tryin' t do t me?? Everybody's got me enthused about 3.1.1 and now you tell me it is bad news??? What do you mean that it won't update?? Inquiring minds want to know. In the big picture, WS 3.1.1 is a really nice distribtuion. However, it's already getting to feel dated. If you really gotta' have a nice, up-to-date, user friendly distro... go SUSE 8.0. Simply breath taking. -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 7:28pm up 71 days, 41 min, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.14, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
I downloaded the 3 cd's, which installed flawlessly, then after playing for a while I ran the caldera update script, which ran, but had many errors downloading rpm's, BUT I kept at it, just pressing 'next' over and over until it completed, and the rpm's were all installed. Worked fine, but a bit time and mouse finger consuming. My one beef (other than the price!) right now is the inability to install the yahoo messenger rpm; dependency problems. I went with gaim instead. works well. Caldera 3.1.1 is stable and works well so far. Netscape 4.7, pretty dated but stable. Old Mozilla, but it works. I updated to a different directory without problem, so have 2 mozillas installed. Opera 6 works well. Sylpheed mail/news installs fine. Xfce and Icewm both installed from source fine, and were easily added to the login session menu. On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:50:14 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 01:43 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 23:18, Tony Alfrey wrote: Hi gang! Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks Geez, Tony where yer bin mate. Both of us over the years have 'talked' and I guess i know a few things that you require, 3.1.1 is not one of them. Unless you like being frustrated at not being able to update easily. They went backwards and still are going that way since 2.4.. The door is that way, Sir grin Geeze Looeeze Skipmeister, whadda ya tryin' t do t me?? Everybody's got me enthused about 3.1.1 and now you tell me it is bad news??? What do you mean that it won't update?? Inquiring minds want to know. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Ken M ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wednesday 22 May 2002 03:30 pm,Jerry McBride wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:50:14 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 01:43 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 23:18, Tony Alfrey wrote: Hi gang! Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks Geez, Tony where yer bin mate. Both of us over the years have 'talked' and I guess i know a few things that you require, 3.1.1 is not one of them. Unless you like being frustrated at not being able to update easily. They went backwards and still are going that way since 2.4.. The door is that way, Sir grin Geeze Looeeze Skipmeister, whadda ya tryin' t do t me?? Everybody's got me enthused about 3.1.1 and now you tell me it is bad news??? What do you mean that it won't update?? Inquiring minds want to know. In the big picture, WS 3.1.1 is a really nice distribtuion. However, it's already getting to feel dated. If you really gotta' have a nice, up-to-date, user friendly distro... go SUSE 8.0. Simply breath taking. H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:50:14 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 01:43 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 23:18, Tony Alfrey wrote: Hi gang! Anybody had any experience installing 3.1.1? In other words, does it seem like a well-assembled distro? Thanks Geez, Tony where yer bin mate. Both of us over the years have 'talked' and I guess i know a few things that you require, 3.1.1 is not one of them. Unless you like being frustrated at not being able to update easily. They went backwards and still are going that way since 2.4.. The door is that way, Sir grin Geeze Looeeze Skipmeister, whadda ya tryin' t do t me?? Everybody's got me enthused about 3.1.1 and now you tell me it is bad news??? What do you mean that it won't update?? Inquiring minds want to know. I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian (updates for most things available), Slackware (somewhat fewer choices. Or gentoo (if you can tolerate updates from source), but I'm not supposed to say that out loud. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Tony Alfrey wrote: H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. I have SuSE 8 on my lab rat where I too reluctantly spend time with it. Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera Linux 2.4 System 5WV271 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Thursday 23 May 2002 11:47, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. I have SuSE 8 on my lab rat where I too reluctantly spend time with it. Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:41, Jerry McBride observed: On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:11:37 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IO tried a product a little while ago called turboprint that worked great under libranet. It's a commercial product with a fully functional free version that only lacks some higher resolution features. Might search that one out. Ken, you mentioned turboprint once before. I'm curious to see if you've been able to setup a printer share under samba with it. I haven't actually used TP, but it could be a possibility in my near future. Thanks. Actually turboprint can be installed with and used by cups. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
The setup was very good. I only had to adjust the monitor a bit using xvidtune. I think caldera is aimed more toward the serious user. I tend more toward hobby use and programming for enjoyment (of all things). Seems a little sparse to me, but I've been using libranet and elx, which have even the kitchen sink included. Libranet is loaded with window managers. Kde only in 3.1.1? No mozilla/galeon (a must have for me) and Netscape 4.77 (I guess that's stable but I prefer v6). Elx is very up to date. I guess it's beta but it works ok for a home desktop, although it install about 3 megs on the full install, whereas caldera is down about 2, I think. On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:42:35 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been running the workstation for a couple of weeks. Works great. No surprises. No earth-shattering improvements either. The newer versions of XFree and KDE cleared up some problems I had with those in 3.1. Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone using Caldera 3.1.1 care to comment on gotcha's or general impressions? I just downloaded and will soon install. -- Michael R. Hipp Microsoft Windows XP: Just say no. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove _NO_SPAM_)! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
Ken Moffat wrote: Seems a little sparse to me, but I've been using libranet and elx, which have even the kitchen sink included. Libranet is loaded with window managers. Kde only in 3.1.1? No mozilla/galeon (a must have for me) and Netscape 4.77 (I guess that's stable but I prefer v6). Elx is very up to date. I guess it's beta but it works ok for a home desktop, although it install about 3 megs on the full install, whereas caldera is down about 2, I think. I believe there are other window managers on the supplemental CD. I read that the commercial package has several supplemental CD's. I have Caldera 3.1 and the supplemental CD for it installed Gnome, IceWM and all manner of stuff. I am watching the reports on Caldera 3.1.1 I have the beta installed. I have noticed that the KDE 2.2.1 on the beta is a bit unstable - after working fine for a while, the part on the task manager where minimized apps go no longer indicates what is down there. A similar problem occured with Caldera 3.1 after I installed the Caldera KDE 2.2.1 package. At the moment, I am putting aside some mad money in anticipation of buying 3.1.1. I have an number of Linuces on my boxes, but the ones I use (Caldera 2.4, Libranet) are the ones I pay for. I don't have money to splurge on Linux distro's (retired and partly disabled after 20 years in the US Army) but I am willing to pay good money for good products, to help keep the company alive. I have been working too with Libranet 2.0 There is a how-to for installing WP8/WP8.1 I wrote now on the Libranet KB. It is going to be revised. If you are going to install WP8.1 without additional libs, run ldconfig after installing the Debs, not before as it says. Printer set up with CUPS is a bit tricky - I'm fine tuning that part of the how-to now. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:59:09 -0500 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Printer set up with CUPS is a bit tricky - I'm fine tuning that part of the how-to now. Tricky???Hmmm... I may catch some heat from this, but cups sucks. Plain and simple. I really, wish Caldera would go back to LPRng as their main printer daemon. LPRng works. -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 1:52pm up 1:33, 0 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:11:37 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IO tried a product a little while ago called turboprint that worked great under libranet. It's a commercial product with a fully functional free version that only lacks some higher resolution features. Might search that one out. Ken, you mentioned turboprint once before. I'm curious to see if you've been able to setup a printer share under samba with it. I haven't actually used TP, but it could be a possibility in my near future. Thanks. -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 2:35pm up 2:16, 0 users, load average: 0.05, 0.08, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
I used tp on libranet, which I am not using right now, but it seems the sharing was working. Can't be too sure. I may have had to change the print command in swat to tp0 or something like that. Sorry not to be more specific. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:41:16 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:11:37 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IO tried a product a little while ago called turboprint Ken, you mentioned turboprint once before. I'm curious to see if you've been able to setup a printer share under samba with it. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove _NO_SPAM_)! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:41:16 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, you mentioned turboprint once before. I'm curious to see if you've been able to setup a printer share under samba with it. I haven't actually used TP, but it could be a possibility in my near future. Ah, i just booted to libranet and can't make my printer share work right now. Print jobs from windows seem to disappear. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: caldera 3.1.1
I have one on a Dell Inspiron laptop and another on an ASUS 850 chipset mother board system. Both seem to be working fine. The AUSU is my work computer. After zillions of years of running UnixWare, last week I switched to Caldera 3.1.1. My old computer literally blew up. So I took the opportunity of a new system to make the switch. So far, both work fine. In a week or so I will upgrade my home computer from 3.1 to 3.1.1. Aside from the fact that it will be an upgrade rather that a fresh install, I expect it to work the same (CRON oddities aside). -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
