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[ snips ] On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:37:52 + Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: BTW was there loss of life or did they ALL get away in time. It does seem co-incidental that both continents seem to swap fire hazzard, again is arson part of it too as with us. Mind you Europe copped it this time as well and the death toll was bigger that we ever had. They managed to evacuate everyone with plenty of time to spare, no loss of life. This mess isn't over by a long shot. Since ... in 1982 (I think) they had a similar fire in that area and didn't go anywhere, the idiots ignored it. In 1982 it wasn't anywhere near as dry and heat parched as it has been this year. This is going to be one hell of a summer for many to remember. Sounds much worse than what we had in Colorado past summers. My sympathy for all affected! In addition to the idiot politicians, we have the usual problems building up to a conflagration like this: 1) People like to build in areas that look pretty and green without any thought given to what might happen when it's all ablaze. In the case of towns, the decisions were made decades or centuries ago. 2) Environmentalists are usually opposed to any efforts to thin the forests and remove dead fuel in aging forests near populated areas. The standard argument: Forest management is just clearcutting, but if nature is doing the clearing, that's aok. People who might suffer aren't extremely important. 3) All of the above leaves the way open for arsonists and/or careless people to trigger a disaster. A few of the people who live in the foothills communities west of Denver are now starting to prepare themselves by clearing around their homes and removing excess downed timber. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Collins Richey wrote: 3) All of the above leaves the way open for arsonists and/or careless people to trigger a disaster. Dam it! Now we have a fire on the Westbank side of the lake. This fire has started at a log dump. Source of fire unknown. I can't believe this:( -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth burns: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 17:44, Keith Antoine wrote: For those interested in this evolvingtragedy... Information first hand from the City of Kelowna: http://castanet.firewatch.net/ Yow. Kurt -- War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ketchup is a vegetable. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. snip Not so sure that is as bad as you think. Back in my youth I used to fall timber on fires. Big trees like you have. Back then they would hire a guy that went out and buy a saw for the big bucks. If he didn't kill himself he could do it to a couple others, also. I'm not defending all of their rules or procedures. I have a kid (43 year old kid) who's on one of the special overhead teams for the USFS/BLM/??, the trouble with those teams as I see it is they move in on the locals that know the lay of the land and take over. In '87 they really botched about a quarter million burn around Happy Camp. Some jerk from Arizona tried to light a big back-burn 10 muiles long at the bank of the Klamath River 3 or 4 ridges away from the fire! Fortunatley it was so smokey and cold it wouldn't take. Oh well I'd better quit. I get real radical. Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:00, Ted Ozolins wrote: Tom Marinis wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. I was just out of highschool, and was tree-planter/firefighter for the summer in and around the Penticton area in mid 1987. The only WCB regs at that time were the requirements for safety gear ( you know, gloves, brain bucket, boots, cover alls ), a manditory 2 hr training course on how to fight forest fires, and a single guy with Industrial First Aid for crew of fire fighters. Back then it was; for every 5 man firefighter crew, you had to have a I.F.A. Level 1 ticket holder in the group. If the crew was 20 or over, the I.F.A. guy had to be LEVEL 3. Now your saying the volunteers firefighters need Forestry Certification ? What the heck is that exactly? Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. Yup, I live here as well and untill now was not aware of it iether. I guess that is why the Canadian forces personel were stuck in Vernon training camp for a while to obtain their training (and not just a couple of hours) This whole thing sucks. The Wildland Fire Fighter certification is pretty well the standard now in Canada and the U.S. My business partner has a separate venture where he converts surplus military transport vehicles into wildland fire fighting equipment (www.erefiresupprot.com). He and all his operators needed to complete the certification before he could enter into contract negotiations with the fire fighting agencies. The basic course was 2 or 3 days. This minimum standard is what allows firefighters to be shared by the various provinces. The minimum U.S. standard in the adjoining states is a one week course. The certification process does reduce the number of persons that could be employed as firefighters. BUT Canada and the U.S. are urbanized to the point that vast majority of people have no idea how to properly swing an axe, operate a chain saw, do not understand what kickback or top fall means in lumber operations, can't sleep comfortably in the forest, do not know which way to fall if caught in the drop path of a water bomber, much less know how to effectively fight a fire. Yeah it sucks but I am not convinced that the certification is really the source of the problem. p.s. did not B.C. have a law suit within the last year or two where some bureaucrat passed a regulation concerning fitness standards for forest fire fighters that effectively prohibited women from fire fighting. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Bob Hemus wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. snip Not so sure that is as bad as you think. Back in my youth I used to fall timber on fires. Big trees like you have. Back then they would hire a guy that went out and buy a saw for the big bucks. If he didn't kill himself he could do it to a couple others, also. I'm not defending all of their rules or procedures. I have a kid (43 year old kid) who's on one of the special overhead teams for the USFS/BLM/??, the trouble with those teams as I see it is they move in on the locals that know the lay of the land and take over. In '87 they really botched about a quarter million burn around Happy Camp. Some jerk from Arizona tried to light a big back-burn 10 muiles long at the bank of the Klamath River 3 or 4 ridges away from the fire! Fortunatley it was so smokey and cold it wouldn't take. Oh well I'd better quit. I get real radical. Bob I was listening to an interview with a supervisor from the Ontario team that's out in BC. Apparently most of our Ontario fire fighters are out there working under the guidance of the local folks (as are teams from Montana etc). The supervisor was saying how important it was for this reporting structure as his people weren't used to fighting fires in mountainous terrain. Northern Ontario is basically flat with lots of lakes. In BC they've been on mountain sides with temperatures often well over 30C. The gear they have to carry is heavy and different. Here they don't worry too much about drinking water but it's a major concern in BC. It was an interesting interview. -- Gerry The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:27 am, Collins Richey wrote: SNIP 1) People like to build in areas that look pretty and green without any thought given to what might happen when it's all ablaze. In the case of towns, the decisions were made decades or centuries ago. 2) Environmentalists are usually opposed to any efforts to thin the forests and remove dead fuel in aging forests near populated areas. The standard argument: Forest management is just clearcutting, but if nature is doing the clearing, that's aok. People who might suffer aren't extremely important. 3) All of the above leaves the way open for arsonists and/or careless people to trigger a disaster. A few of the people who live in the foothills communities west of Denver are now starting to prepare themselves by clearing around their homes and removing excess downed timber. This is very much what happens in OZ. There are certain places on this earth where fire is a natural environmental rejuvinator; there are trees and shrubs here that need fire to germinate. So Oz is a place where big fires can and do occur. Yet if there is no fire for a while its DEVELOPED, and people start living there: short term memory is naon existant. Last but not least are the pollies and of course the greenies and arsonists. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 22:34, Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:21:23 -0700 Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: burns wrote: I've also just heard from my sister-in-law that they are under evacuation notice as part of the forest fires in Kelowna, British Columbia (western Canada). I'm across the lake from Kelowna and believe me its one heck of a scary sight. A large part of Kelown is under evacuation notice. Quite a few homes have been lost and more anticipated. This is one fire that should have been stopped dead in its track, but as always too little too late has created one heck of a mess here. Well TED, you *could* make the recommendation to your friends that they file a claim in court. Make Premier Gordon Campbell and Minister De Jong personally and financially responsible for cutting 740 jobs out of the Forestry Ministry back in Jan 2002, and the 600 from WAter Land Air Protection services the year befor that, [ the argument: despite the advice against such actions, as recommended by the Auditor General's report 2001 http://bcauditor.com/PUBS/2001-02/Report1/sec1.htm ] The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. Amen to that! -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 18:21, Ted Ozolins wrote: I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. The Army is moving troops in today. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 16:21, Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. What ever it is you're going to drop, I hope it lands on a politicians head... and goes off with a big bang! :o) -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Ted Ozolins: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR Kurt -- Lieberman's Law: Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:49, Kurt Wall wrote: It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR I like to think we have more in common than that. Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth burns: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:49, Kurt Wall wrote: It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR I like to think we have more in common than that. We've more in common than not, I think. Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. Two thongs and a magic wand in every house! Kurt -- Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. -- Steven Wright ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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burns wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:49, Kurt Wall wrote: It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR I like to think we have more in common than that. Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. This thread is /way/ out of control. ;-) I think annexation by one of the 'old' European countries makes sense. They get a *lot* of time off! -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Myles Green wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. Amen to that! Over three hundred homes were lost to this fire last night! The officials that fumbled and bungled this should be taken out and shot. Starting with the highly incompetent premier. Good grief, if I repaired and calibrated scopes and other test equipment as they administer their duties to this province, I would not only be fired, Id probably be black-listed. You can bet that I'll be actively canvassing the victims of this mess urging them to launch a class action suit against these twits. There, now I feel better guess I should get a cup of javaG -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. I was just out of highschool, and was tree-planter/firefighter for the summer in and around the Penticton area in mid 1987. The only WCB regs at that time were the requirements for safety gear ( you know, gloves, brain bucket, boots, cover alls ), a manditory 2 hr training course on how to fight forest fires, and a single guy with Industrial First Aid for crew of fire fighters. Back then it was; for every 5 man firefighter crew, you had to have a I.F.A. Level 1 ticket holder in the group. If the crew was 20 or over, the I.F.A. guy had to be LEVEL 3. Now your saying the volunteers firefighters need Forestry Certification ? What the heck is that exactly? Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 23 Aug 2003 08:50:08 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. Here Here! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Tom Marinis wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. I was just out of highschool, and was tree-planter/firefighter for the summer in and around the Penticton area in mid 1987. The only WCB regs at that time were the requirements for safety gear ( you know, gloves, brain bucket, boots, cover alls ), a manditory 2 hr training course on how to fight forest fires, and a single guy with Industrial First Aid for crew of fire fighters. Back then it was; for every 5 man firefighter crew, you had to have a I.F.A. Level 1 ticket holder in the group. If the crew was 20 or over, the I.F.A. guy had to be LEVEL 3. Now your saying the volunteers firefighters need Forestry Certification ? What the heck is that exactly? Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. Yup, I live here as well and untill now was not aware of it iether. I guess that is why the Canadian forces personel were stuck in Vernon training camp for a while to obtain their training (and not just a couple of hours) This whole thing sucks. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:18 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: Myles Green wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. Amen to that! Over three hundred homes were lost to this fire last night! The officials that fumbled and bungled this should be taken out and shot. Starting with the highly incompetent premier. Good grief, if I repaired and calibrated scopes and other test equipment as they administer their duties to this province, I would not only be fired, Id probably be black-listed. You can bet that I'll be actively canvassing the victims of this mess urging them to launch a class action suit against these twits. There, now I feel better guess I should get a cup of javaG If you remember this was exactly a mirror that happened to Canberra (ACT), earlier this year in a firestorm. The subsequent inquiry; guess you will have one too, blamed total lack of communication plus complacency. In the event it is the small guy that gets hit; I'm all right jack syndrome. BTW was there loss of life or did they ALL get away in time. It does seem co-incidental that both continents seem to swap fire hazzard, again is arson part of it too as with us. Mind you Europe copped it this time as well and the death toll was bigger that we ever had. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Keith Antoine: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:18 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. Two thongs and a magic wand in every house! Kurt Tell yer wot, you would look better than you have for some time, mate! I think not. Kurt -- A diva who specializes in risque arias is an off-coloratura soprano ... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 09:00, Ted Ozolins wrote: Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. Yup, I live here as well and untill now was not aware of it iether. SNIP My wife is originally from Nelson. Her Mom and Dad live in the other end of Kelowna. Her sister and brother-in-law live on McClure Road, somewhere near Lakeside, Barnaby, etc. just below the ridge. They have been on an Evacuation Alert for a few days. I think they finally were forced to evacuate last night. I haven't heard what happened to them yet (we'll call the parents tonight) but over 200 hundred homes in the suburbs burned last night when it jumped the fire-breaks and came down the ridge. Must be quite a show from Westbank. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 17:44, Keith Antoine wrote: For those interested in this evolvingtragedy... Information first hand from the City of Kelowna: http://castanet.firewatch.net/ -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Keith Antoine wrote: BTW was there loss of life or did they ALL get away in time. It does seem co-incidental that both continents seem to swap fire hazzard, again is arson part of it too as with us. Mind you Europe copped it this time as well and the death toll was bigger that we ever had. They managed to evacuate everyone with plenty of time to spare, no loss of life. There are still parts of Kelowna on 1/2 hour evac notice. This mess isn't over by a long shot. Other comunities that are along the Okanagan Mountain Park are losing homes and countless numbers have been evacuated or are on 1/2 hour evac notice. There are other fires threatening comunities in the Arrow Lakes area at the same time. That fire could have been stopped in time but since in 1982 (I think) they had a similar fire in that area and didn't go anywhere, the idiots ignored it. In 1982 it wasn't anywhere near as dry and heat parched as it has been this year. Only a total idiot in imediate need for a brain transplant (Hell, maybe we could get D. McBride's brain for this as I'm sure its never been used)would have overlooked that small detail. This is going to be one hell of a summer for many to remember. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 20:41, Harry Giles wrote: For the rest of us, New Zealand had a major earthquake today. See http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3882-2605126,00.html Hmmm. I wonder if the folks on Norfolk Island are looking out for a possible Tsunami? Or is that not likely? s -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:41 am, Harry Giles wrote: I remember seeing posts from folks in New Zealand. I hope things are OK. If you can, give a shout and let us know. For the rest of us, New Zealand had a major earthquake today. See http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3882-2605126,00.html Harry G FYI, NZ is not far from Oz mainland and my daughter has lived there for some years. The kiwis live with tremors and quakes its very normal to them, but not Oz as we are just far enough away. NZ is know as the land of the long white cloud, or also 'shaky ??' which alludes to all the trmors etc. Fjiordland, where this one was epicentred is very sparsly populated and a national park, secondly its on the South Island which is mostly moutainous. We here in Oz have only heard about it in passing so it cannot be real FYI-http://www.backpack-newzealand.com/mapofnewzealand.html Its right down low on the L/H side Milford Sound/Te Anau the green bit to the left of Te Anau -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 00:03, Keith Antoine wrote: Hi mate! Hi Skip!! Like old times. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:08 am, burns wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 00:03, Keith Antoine wrote: Hi mate! Hi Skip!! Like old times. Yeh, mate, thought you might have fallen off the edge of the planet for a while there. BTW re NZ, They did feel it in Sydney at about 3 on the scale. There were no injuries afaik in nz from it just mostly lost stock in shops and a big fright for a 7.1 that was very good. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 16:56, Keith Antoine wrote: There were no injuries afaik in nz from it just mostly lost stock in shops and a big fright for a 7.1 that was very good. Don't get them much here, although we do get our share of other things. We had an ice storm a few years back that walloped eastern Canada, we were part of this massive power outage that just blacked out northeastern North America, we had a cougar/mountain lion prowling the south end of the city suburbs eating pets last month (not usual), and I've also just heard from my sister-in-law that they are under evacuation notice as part of the forest fires in Kelowna, British Columbia (western Canada). The mountain behind their house is ablaze and ash is dropping on their front garden. Last night 25 houses further out were burned, although it's got a way to go yet to reach my in-laws. Their bags are packed in the front hallway. Guess people everywhere are coping with these things that get dropped on us. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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burns wrote: I've also just heard from my sister-in-law that they are under evacuation notice as part of the forest fires in Kelowna, British Columbia (western Canada). The mountain behind their house is ablaze and ash is dropping on their front garden. Last night 25 houses further out were burned, although it's got a way to go yet to reach my in-laws. Their bags are packed in the front hallway. Guess people everywhere are coping with these things that get dropped on us. I'm across the lake from Kelowna and believe me its one heck of a scary sight. A large part of Kelown is under evacuation notice. Quite a few homes have been lost and more anticipated. This is one fire that should have been stopped dead in its track, but as always too little too late has created one heck of a mess here. At the begining the Forestry had four golden opertunities to stop the advance of this fire but they chose not to act. Its been a jurisdictional pissing match from the start and now a lot of good people are losing their homes. These homes are not ones in the interface but in the town itself. If there was any justice on earth, then only bureaucrats would perish in natural desasters. Here I go dreaming againsigh -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Ted Ozolins wrote: burns wrote: I've also just heard from my sister-in-law that they are under evacuation notice as part of the forest fires in Kelowna, British Columbia (western Canada). The mountain behind their house is ablaze and ash is dropping on their front garden. Last night 25 houses further out were burned, although it's got a way to go yet to reach my in-laws. Their bags are packed in the front hallway. Guess people everywhere are coping with these things that get dropped on us. I'm across the lake from Kelowna and believe me its one heck of a scary sight. A large part of Kelown is under evacuation notice. Quite a few homes have been lost and more anticipated. This is one fire that should have been stopped dead in its track, but as always too little too late has created one heck of a mess here. At the begining the Forestry had four golden opertunities to stop the advance of this fire but they chose not to act. Its been a jurisdictional pissing match from the start and now a lot of good people are losing their homes. These homes are not ones in the interface but in the town itself. If there was any justice on earth, then only bureaucrats would perish in natural desasters. Here I go dreaming againsigh Well TED, you *could* make the recommendation to your friends that they file a claim in court. Make Premier Gordon Campbell and Minister De Jong personally and financially responsible for cutting 740 jobs out of the Forestry Ministry back in Jan 2002, and the 600 from WAter Land Air Protection services the year befor that, [ the argument: despite the advice against such actions, as recommended by the Auditor General's report 2001 http://bcauditor.com/PUBS/2001-02/Report1/sec1.htm ] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:21:23 -0700 Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: burns wrote: I've also just heard from my sister-in-law that they are under evacuation notice as part of the forest fires in Kelowna, British Columbia (western Canada). I'm across the lake from Kelowna and believe me its one heck of a scary sight. A large part of Kelown is under evacuation notice. Quite a few homes have been lost and more anticipated. This is one fire that should have been stopped dead in its track, but as always too little too late has created one heck of a mess here. Well TED, you *could* make the recommendation to your friends that they file a claim in court. Make Premier Gordon Campbell and Minister De Jong personally and financially responsible for cutting 740 jobs out of the Forestry Ministry back in Jan 2002, and the 600 from WAter Land Air Protection services the year befor that, [ the argument: despite the advice against such actions, as recommended by the Auditor General's report 2001 http://bcauditor.com/PUBS/2001-02/Report1/sec1.htm ] The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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I remember seeing posts from folks in New Zealand. I hope things are OK. If you can, give a shout and let us know. For the rest of us, New Zealand had a major earthquake today. See http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3882-2605126,00.html Harry G ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
