Re: Re OpenUnix vs OpenLinux
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:25:40 -0500 patrick kapturkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | There is no more oracle's version for Unixware 7.11. | The last version was Oracle8 v.8.0.4. | There'll be no version for OpenUnix because you may install | linux version on it (sic Oracle). | I want absolutely Oracle 8i or 9i and these versions exist | only for linux (never for UW). Sounds odd. I'm both suprised and not suprised. Perhaps, in seeing this comming, SCO decided that a sale to Caldera could be a good thing for them. (I wonder how Tarantella is doing.) But, I can say that the Linux Kernel Personality for UW7/OU8 does work quite good. I run KDE 2 and quite a few other intensive Linux apps with no ill effect. The only drawback is that Linux device drivers do not work (which is no suprise). This means that although the LKP is useful for running many Linux apps, it is not a total solution. Oracle would fit the bill as an app that shouold work fine. I also run Merge (a.k.a. Win4Lin) on that box. So, with a single boot I can maintain our three distributions. Of course, we still test releases on a real distro install. But, we have yet to encounter a problem having this as the source. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Modems
On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 11:14:32PM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:45, zohar wrote: I want to know how to distinguish between [snippety hack] system) and AT commands of it to use for that. There's the rub. Winmodems of any kind CANNOT respond to AT commands. They don't have an embedded controller (or any other controller) in them to emulate the hayes command set. In what context are you saying that winmodems cannot respond to AT commands? Certainly they must respond to AT commands if they communicate through wvdial as there are several commands involved in the process. I think the misunderstanding is that AT commands are not universal. Almost all modems understand the basic hayes command set (like ATD to dial out, be it ATDT for tone or ATDP for pulse). As Hayes was one of the most popular modem manufacturers some 20 years ago, their instructions have become a standard. However, there is hardly a manufacturer that has not invented at least one AT command specific to its modem. For instance, web page http://www.agere.com/modem/driver.html shows all modem commands recognized by the popular lucent modem. http://www.808hi.com/56k/ltwin9.htm shows something interesting. The Agere page offers AT+GCI= to set the country code. The second page shows us how to do the same with %T19,0, country code in HEX. This teaches us that many AT commands are firmware shortcuts to basic commands that you can type as well if you know the layout of the registers in the modem and what each control bit does to each register. Detailed manuals of the modem usually provide these parameters. In short, if your winmodem responds to some AT commands but not others, it is because you are trying a non-standard command on a modem not carrying the associated feature. [...] The specs for ANY one of these animals are jealously guarded secrets of the manufacturer. The so-called 'AMR' modem is nothing more (or less) than another animal of this breed, a winmodem. In some cases, as with Intel, Lucent and some others, the code is furnished to develop drivers that will allow the modems to work with linux. Can I get a complete explanation of the site(s) describing the details www.linmodems.org for supported linux modems of both types. There are plenty of references to what winmodems are, there are NO references to how to program them, nor will it ever eventuate. Perhaps it will. As linux draws more and more users, modem manufacturers may do well to start offering more support for their modems under linux. Let me say this as well. I have one machine here that has a winmodem on it. I didn't go out and buy it to run with linux, I bought it when the machine was still running windows. A few months later I put linux on it and being hard up for cash at the time didn't have enough to go out and spend the equivalent of $120 on a U.S. Robotics external modem. I went through hell getting it to work. Multiple kernel recompiles, you name it...Sure, if you have the option to get an external modem, by all means save yourself a massive headache and get one. But if all you have is a winmodem and the chipset is supported it works well enough. Best Regards, Dallam -- Dallam Wych [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024: A89A2371 Ipsa scientia potestas est 2717 4EB8 461D 743B 47CF Registered Linux User 0D68 C32A 5CDE A89A 2371 counter.li.org:213656 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:41:15 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take on the whole affair is that Intel is making sure it's new P4 is properly supported... in that its' new optimizaions are being exploited by this compiler. That said... I'll find out shortly if its' worth the salt. The curious thing is... they want $500.00 for the fully supported product... I don't know that this is their reasoning. Intel worked very closely with various OSS groups to make sure that their I64 had good support in Linux. I think Intel is just looking to make a buck. Likely so. Various folks from Intel also participate in GCC development. Intel has a vested interest in making sure that code will run on the IA64 platform. Keep in mind that even if the Intel compiler is faster, better etc than gcc, this isn't all that much of a coup. THe Portland Group has been putting out 'commericial' grade compilers that whip the GNU compilers in performance for years. Precisely. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
Kurt Wall wrote: --- Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take on the whole affair is that Intel is making sure it's new P4 is properly supported... in that its' new optimizaions are being exploited by this compiler. That said... I'll find out shortly if its' worth the salt. The curious thing is... they want $500.00 for the fully supported product... I don't know that this is their reasoning. Intel worked very closely with various OSS groups to make sure that their I64 had good support in Linux. I think Intel is just looking to make a buck. Likely so. Various folks from Intel also participate in GCC development. Intel has a vested interest in making sure that code will run on the IA64 platform. Any word on how well the compiler works with AMD Athlon/Duron chips? Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
agpgart.o fails
Caldera 3.1 is reporting failure of agpgart.o on bootup. Dexktop/LX (aka Redmond Linux) seems to load it ok. Both have this identical line in /etc/modules/conf: # I810 graphics: alias char-major-10-175 agpgart I'm running GeForce2 MX200 agp video. Caldera is xfree 4.0.2c (beta unsupported) whereas Desktop/LX is 4.1.0. This is a new motherboard based on Intel 845 chipset (P4 1.7GHz, DDR memory). /var/log/messages says: Jan 25 21:23:39 linux kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann Jan 25 21:23:39 linux kernel: agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M Jan 25 21:23:39 linux kernel: agpgart: Unsupported Intel chipset (device id: 1a30), you might want to try agp_try_unsupported=1. What is 'agpgart' and should I care? Thanks, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
More Steps
28th FTP - Servers - ProFTPD (Chang) -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ISO image files
- Original Message - From: Dave Anselmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: ISO image files Ken Moffat wrote: [...] The command I use to burn a cd from an iso image is: cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -data filename.iso Of course you need to be root, and use the proper device, determined by 'cdrecord -scanbus', and set your preferred speed and the appropriate filename. Works for me, ymmv. Any second opinions? This is what I use, too. You can play with the speed - I have a cheap writer that should go higher than 4x but doesn't. Try it out with -dummy to see whether you'll have buffer underruns or other problems, and to time the actual writing. You don't have to be root to do this, assuming your device permissions are acceptable. cdrecord will complain in that case - it tries to set its priority and such to prevent underruns and only root can do those things. But it seems harmless, despite the warnings. Dave My thanks to all who responded with instruction and advice. I hope to get to try this out later in the day. Best regards to all. Glenn Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 since 1994 Amateur Radio Packeteer since 1988 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:42, Ken Moffat wrote: Another one to keep in mind is Borland, with the kylix thing being updated to c++. Shouldn't be too long, and I've used C++Builder on Windows with great pleasure. I don't know C++Builder is it Borland? And are you saying kylix is being ported out of Delphi (Pascal) and into C++? This would mean the C__Far_Pascal calls would be dropped for those addon C++ oops objects, a good thing(tm). Where does this all fit in with the original post about a true blue Intel compiler? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: agpgart.o fails
IIIR you don't need it. I have an Asus 7700 (GF based card) and I had the same thing. I commented it out. The i810 is only for the Intel i810 video chip. Michael Hipp wrote: Caldera 3.1 is reporting failure of agpgart.o on bootup. Dexktop/LX (aka Redmond Linux) seems to load it ok. Both have this identical line in /etc/modules/conf: # I810 graphics: alias char-major-10-175 agpgart I'm running GeForce2 MX200 agp video. Caldera is xfree 4.0.2c (beta unsupported) whereas Desktop/LX is 4.1.0. This is a new motherboard based on Intel 845 chipset (P4 1.7GHz, DDR memory). /var/log/messages says: Jan 25 21:23:39 linux kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann Jan 25 21:23:39 linux kernel: agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M Jan 25 21:23:39 linux kernel: agpgart: Unsupported Intel chipset (device id: 1a30), you might want to try agp_try_unsupported=1. What is 'agpgart' and should I care? Thanks, Michael -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Modems
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:59, Dallam Wych wrote: In what context are you saying that winmodems cannot respond to AT commands? Certainly they must respond to AT commands if they communicate through wvdial as there are several commands involved in the process. Ooops. When I'm wrong, I like to be *completely wrong* slap -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfree-4.2+
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:33:10 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: greetings. the crosspost is because this will perhaps be of interest to everybody. a couple hours ago i did a cvs harvest from xfree, it having been noted that the release 4.2 had a couple of fairly gruesome bugs which have since been fixed. Really? I've been running 4.2 for a few days already... snipped a buch of stuff so, anyway, to the extent that one anecdote is evidence, the xfree code in the head branch of their cvs server right now is highly recommended, and a piece of cake. Errmm... not really a piece of cake :( I installed CVSup lastnight 'cuz the cvs commands listed on the xfree86 site refused to work here for me. CVSup worked well, brought down everything I was looking for - but it won't build in it's current condition. By that I mean the Makefile looks like Makefile,v (all filesnames appear to have the ',v' at the end) and I can't seem to figure out wtf to do to get it to build. So far I've tried make -f Makefile. make -f Makefile,v and autogen.sh and I've (very quickly) run out of ideers. Help anyone? TIA -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- PROGRAM - n. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. v. tr.- To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Modems
On Monday 28 January 2002 10:14 am, Mike Andrew wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:59, Dallam Wych wrote: In what context are you saying that winmodems cannot respond to AT commands? Certainly they must respond to AT commands if they communicate through wvdial as there are several commands involved in the process. Ooops. When I'm wrong, I like to be *completely wrong* slap Gee, I almost called you on this but then gave you the benefit of the doubt. I assumed you were saying that the 'modem itself' cannot respond to AT commands. However the driver for the modem could respond. (that's what you really meant, wasn't it??;-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/28/02 10:30 + ++ Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfree-4.2+
On Monday 28 January 2002 10:26, Myles Green wrote: | Errmm... not really a piece of cake :( I installed CVSup lastnight | 'cuz the cvs commands listed on the xfree86 site refused to work | here for me. CVSup worked well, brought down everything I was | looking for - but it won't build in it's current condition. By that | I mean the Makefile looks like Makefile,v (all filesnames | appear to have the ',v' at the end) and I can't seem to figure out | wtf to do to get it to build. So far I've tried make -f Makefile. | make -f Makefile,v and autogen.sh and I've (very quickly) run | out of ideers. Help anyone? weird. got nothing even faintly resembling that here. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfree-4.2+
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:02:43 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 28 January 2002 10:26, Myles Green wrote: | Errmm... not really a piece of cake :( I installed CVSup lastnight | 'cuz the cvs commands listed on the xfree86 site refused to work | here for me. CVSup worked well, brought down everything I was | looking for - but it won't build in it's current condition. By that | I mean the Makefile looks like Makefile,v (all filesnames | appear to have the ',v' at the end) and I can't seem to figure out | wtf to do to get it to build. So far I've tried make -f Makefile. | make -f Makefile,v and autogen.sh and I've (very quickly) run | out of ideers. Help anyone? weird. got nothing even faintly resembling that here. Then it must be something I did wrong (duh!). Which method do you use to pull the sources down from CVS? I used CVSup xfree86.cvsup and this is the contents of my xfree86.cvsup: --- *default release=cvs host=anoncvs.xfree86.org base=/home/mylesg/cvs_xfree86*default prefix=/home/mylesg/xfree86_head delete use-rel-suffix*default compress *default tar=. xc-all doctools-all --- *sigh* maybe I'd better go back and re-read the directions and examples... Thanks, -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- PROGRAM - n. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. v. tr.- To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: problem for non Linux users - Windoze users
On Friday 25 January 2002 09:25 am, Tom Wilson wrote: -Original Message- From: Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:26:22 -0800 Although it irks me, it doesn't irk me that much as to write a letter to the Dean with cc's to my government representatives. I don't think the government really has any control over the class situation even from state funded school. I have heard of other students who have brought this up to school officials but I have seen no action (yet) because of their complaints. I have heard that something was going to be done though, just never when it was going to be done. And now I don't really care since I won't be there after next term. I am truly glad that I have never had to attend an educational institute where the administration were so oblivious to student needs and concerns. While I was in Edmonton, I took some classes at Alberta Vocational College. I was there for two years. In that time, I became aware that all concerns and complaints were addressed by the heads of the institute. In one case they had an instructor who out right hated men. She would make a male students life a living hell. She was gone by the end of the semester. In general though, the isntructors at the college must have been hand picked by someone who actually new what they were doing. If all schools had teachers like them, I'm sure the drop-out rate would be much lower and the academic standing much higher. JMHO -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Updated Steps
January 2002 === 28th FTP - Servers - ProFTPD (Chang) 25th Bind 9 - clarifications on the secret key needed for rndc (Douglas Hunley) 21st FREEBSD (Added to Left Menu) FREEBSD - Intro to FreeBSD (C.Richey) 20th WARNING - Proper French Translation (Patrick) 18th Timekeeping - Automatic Sync (Added 'netdate' option c/o K. Cullis) 17th Bedtime Reading - Partitions (proper German by Hermann-Josef) Distros - Reviews - Redmond (update) 16th Bedtime Reading - IDE cd burners (revised) Programming - kbhit() example (revised) (Anders Brander / Mike A) Added [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and newsgroup for BSD discussion (Doug Hunley) 12th KDE2-Soundbug (Mike Andrew) Bedtime Reading- CD Burners (Mike Andrew) CD BURNERS - Bedtime Reading 4th Added new bios of the Editors (Front Page-Snapshots) (Doug Hunley) Moved all mirror-related content to new mirror subdir (Doug Hunley) Bind/DNS- major re-org/cleanup. new security additions, and rdnc info (Doug Hunley) PALMPILOT-GUI INTERFACES (Susan/Alan) moved PALMPILOT-PROGRAMMING-Rapid Development Tool Install -EMULATOR -SDK -PILRC -PRCTOOLS -Putting it all together 3rd Moved copyright and privacy notice to new legal directory (Doug Hunley) Proper German for print filters (Klaus-Peter) Moved bio and images to new bio subdir (Doug Hunley) Proper French for all front page frames (patrick kapturkiewicz) VIDEO - AVI + DIVX - Mplayer (Net Llama!) VIDEO - AVI + DIVX - Avifile (moved (Net Llama!) 2nd Upgrade - Compiling and Installing GLib and GTK+ (Kurt Wall) Bind 9 - updates to handle the /var/run permissions issue (Doug Hunley) KDE - Getting Rid of KDE1 (Bill's way) Bill Day FTP-Server (ammended) Linuxism PALMPILOT-(susan/alan) Bedtime Reading-Print Filters (Joel Hammer) Bedtime Reading-Hardware driver API's and technical breifs (Mike Andrew) ---CDROM Kernel API ---CDROM Example C Code driver ---IEEE1284 Parallel Interface LS120 Parallel Interface protocol ZIP Parrallel Interface protocols usb-general- change of url to linux-usb.org 1st Bedtime Reading - BASH Startup Process Scripts (Chris Kassopulo) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Gimp
Recently a friend saw a preview of Linux on the Tech tv channel. He was particularly impressed with the portion devoted to GIMP and he asked me to install my version of SuSe 7.2 on his box. He likes Linux, but has a problem that I am not familiar with as I don't use Gimp much. Once Gimp has been opened how does he load photo files from the cdrom or windows side of the dual boot. Using FreeDisk it's possible to open the windows photo files, but can't find a way to load them in Gimp or save them back to the windows file after they have been worked on. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Gimp
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 12:58:07PM -0500, Lee wrote: Recently a friend saw a preview of Linux on the Tech tv channel. He was particularly impressed with the portion devoted to GIMP and he asked me to install my version of SuSe 7.2 on his box. He likes Linux, but has a problem that I am not familiar with as I don't use Gimp much. Once Gimp has been opened how does he load photo files from the cdrom or windows side of the dual boot. Using FreeDisk it's possible to open the windows photo files, but can't find a way to load them in Gimp or save them back to the windows file after they have been worked on. You can mount the windows partition as a directory under Linux, then read the files directly from the hard drive. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect.'' -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Gimp
On Monday 28 January 2002 12:58 pm, Lee wrote: Recently a friend saw a preview of Linux on the Tech tv channel. He was particularly impressed with the portion devoted to GIMP and he asked me to install my version of SuSe 7.2 on his box. He likes Linux, but has a problem that I am not familiar with as I don't use Gimp much. Once Gimp has been opened how does he load photo files from the cdrom or windows side of the dual boot. Using FreeDisk it's possible to open the windows photo files, but can't find a way to load them in Gimp or save them back to the windows file after they have been worked on. Lee I think what you need to look at is the MOUNT command. Certainly if you mount a cd-rom you can get files off of it by looking at the 'mount point' for the files. For a Windows dual boot situation, you can mount the Windows partition... (and automatically to by setting /etc/fstab to do the mount at boot time.) Once these things are mounted, he'll feel right at home. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/28/02 13:05 + ++ Error reading FAT record: Try the SKINNY one? (Y/N) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
init and defunct process cleanup
I have a process or two that are listed as defunct and are owned by init. It was my understanding that these types of processes would get init as their parent, and periodically init would scan its children and remove the defunct ones. These processes seem to be hanging around. They don't respond to kill signals at all (I sent kill -$i where i was 1-15) and they are still there. Can I signal init to tell it to cleanup its children? -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf if (user_specified) /* Didn't work, but the user is convinced this is the * place. */ 2.4.0-test2 /usr/src/linux/drivers/parport/parport_pc.c ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
My understanding is that defunct processes are zombies, and can't be cleaned up with a reboot. --- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a process or two that are listed as defunct and are owned by init. It was my understanding that these types of processes would get init as their parent, and periodically init would scan its children and remove the defunct ones. These processes seem to be hanging around. They don't respond to kill signals at all (I sent kill -$i where i was 1-15) and they are still there. Can I signal init to tell it to cleanup its children? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:18:53AM -0800, Net Llama wrote: My understanding is that defunct processes are zombies, and can't be cleaned up with a reboot. Anything can be cleared with a reboot. Zombie processes are generally children that have been forked from a parent process where the child process has quit, but the parent hasn't executed a wait() call to clear it's dead children. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Nobody wants to be called common people, especially common people.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
Net Llama wrote: My understanding is that defunct processes are zombies, and can't be cleaned up with a reboot. Do you mean can't be cleaned up *without* a reboot? Under AIX, defuncts process can only be cleaned up by a reboot, AFAIK. Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: My understanding is that defunct processes are zombies, and can't be cleaned up with a reboot. Do you mean can't be cleaned up *without* a reboot? Under AIX, defuncts process can only be cleaned up by a reboot, AFAIK. Yea, that was a typo. I meant without not with. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:12:42 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a process or two that are listed as defunct and are owned by init. It was my understanding that these types of processes would get init as their parent, and periodically init would scan its children and remove the defunct ones. These processes seem to be hanging around. They don't respond to kill signals at all (I sent kill -$i where i was 1-15) and they are still there. Can I signal init to tell it to cleanup its children?-- Orphaned processes (processes whose parents have died) get owned by init, which then reaps their exit codes and cleans them up neatly. A zombie process is one whose parent did not call wait* on it, so its entry remains in the process table until a reboot. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Mandrake 8.2 Beta Announced!
Mandrake (via SlashDot) has announced that the beta ISOs for 8.2 are now available. I know I'm going to check it out! Tyler PS: Map Update: I should have the Member Map ready by Wednesday! If anybody thinks they didn't get through, post your name and location here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OT Any routing gurus?
Here's the story...it has me stumped. I have a hosting provider handling my domain and email hosting. I can't reach them from home (Rogers Cable ex @home consortium), but I can reach them from anywhere else. When I run traceroutes I make it to within one host of the machine I am heading for...and then * * * * * * to 30 hops and nothing. My hosting provider tells me it's a problem with my ISP as they cannot do a traceroute back to my home machine either. Which sounds logical until I consider the fact that I can traceroute back to my home from elsewhere (school, work) etc. The problem seems to exist only between these two networks, anywhere else is OK. When I traceroute, from home and school and compare them, the last four hops are the same except for the machine directly in front my domain's machine, which is part of the same network, 1 or 2 IP's off of the hosts I can successfully route through. Is this most likely a routing problem? This is out of my league. I may not be making any sense as I am out of ideas and getting p!$$ed off...but I am not sure with who. If anyone has any bright ideas or would care to rack their brain on it, please feel free to offer up comments, or contact me off list. -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Monday 28 Jan 2002 02:33, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Keith Antoine lamented: I have had problems with Suse and printing, unfortunately your hint didn't work either. Try turboprint. Use it with the Generic UNIX LPD print system http://www.turboprint.de/ Turboprint will add tp0. Use this printer for kmail and other KDE apps. Turboprint solved my printer diarrhea problem with OL 3.1.1 beta. I'd like to try that too, but they don't have a driver for my HP DeskJet 720C - CUPS has. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. AMD Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB RAM. Registered Linux User 219434. Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Up 9 hours 15 minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Monday 28 January 2002 02:11 pm, Peter Ruskin wrote: On Monday 28 Jan 2002 02:33, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Keith Antoine lamented: I have had problems with Suse and printing, unfortunately your hint didn't work either. Try turboprint. Use it with the Generic UNIX LPD print system http://www.turboprint.de/ Turboprint will add tp0. Use this printer for kmail and other KDE apps. Turboprint solved my printer diarrhea problem with OL 3.1.1 beta. I'd like to try that too, but they don't have a driver for my HP DeskJet 720C - CUPS has. Perhaps you could delete or add another printer and go through the hoops and try a test page again. Then try printing from KMail. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Monday 28 January 2002 02:11 pm, Peter Ruskin wrote: On Monday 28 Jan 2002 02:33, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Keith Antoine lamented: I have had problems with Suse and printing, unfortunately your hint didn't work either. Try turboprint. Use it with the Generic UNIX LPD print system http://www.turboprint.de/ Turboprint will add tp0. Use this printer for kmail and other KDE apps. Turboprint solved my printer diarrhea problem with OL 3.1.1 beta. I'd like to try that too, but they don't have a driver for my HP DeskJet 720C - CUPS has. One other thought, in the printer dialog window, is the name of the printer as you set it to be correct? -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Monday 28 Jan 2002 22:24, Ted Ozolins wrote: On Monday 28 January 2002 02:11 pm, Peter Ruskin wrote: On Monday 28 Jan 2002 02:33, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Keith Antoine lamented: I have had problems with Suse and printing, unfortunately your hint didn't work either. Try turboprint. Use it with the Generic UNIX LPD print system http://www.turboprint.de/ Turboprint will add tp0. Use this printer for kmail and other KDE apps. Turboprint solved my printer diarrhea problem with OL 3.1.1 beta. I'd like to try that too, but they don't have a driver for my HP DeskJet 720C - CUPS has. One other thought, in the printer dialog window, is the name of the printer as you set it to be correct? Yes. Thanks for your input Ted. Actually I can print from kmail using CUPS, but I'm not happy with it. Only kedit prints as I expect, honouring my printer options set in .lpotions. All the other KDE apps print with double line spacing. I think this is a KDE 2.2.2 problem. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. AMD Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB RAM. Registered Linux User 219434. Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Up 9 hours 34 minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
This was mentioned in the article, I think. Oh, yeah, here it is... http://www.open-mag.com/754088105111.htm quote: To round out our single processor CPU tests of the Intel compilers, we turned our final attention on a system running with an AMD Athlon CPU. In all previous tests with both the GNU C and MS Visual C++ compilers, AMD Athlon CPUs have consistently performed about 20% faster than a comparable clocked Intel Pentium III CPU?CPU processing power per MHz. When we ran the Intel-compiled version of OBLcpu on the Athlon-powered system the percent improvement was virtually identical to the results run on the Omnibook endquote. On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:19:26 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: --- Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take on the whole affair is that Intel is making sure it's new P4 is properly supported... in that its' new optimizaions are being exploited by this compiler. That said... I'll find out shortly if its' worth the salt. The curious thing is... they want $500.00 for the fully supported product... I don't know that this is their reasoning. Intel worked very closely with various OSS groups to make sure that their I64 had good support in Linux. I think Intel is just looking to make a buck. Likely so. Various folks from Intel also participate in GCC development. Intel has a vested interest in making sure that code will run on the IA64 platform. Any word on how well the compiler works with AMD Athlon/Duron chips? Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:39:57 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:42, Ken Moffat wrote: Another one to keep in mind is Borland, with the kylix thing being updated to c++. Shouldn't be too long, and I've used C++Builder on Windows with great pleasure. I don't know C++Builder is it Borland? And are you saying kylix is being ported out of Delphi (Pascal) and into C++? This would mean the C__Far_Pascal calls would be dropped for those addon C++ oops objects, a good thing(tm). C++ Builder is the C++ version of Delphi for windows. Where delphi is pascal and extremely fast to compile, builder is C++ and very much slower to compile, due to the complexity of the language. Where does this all fit in with the original post about a true blue Intel compiler? I guess someone mentioned another brand that cost $500+ so I mentioned borland, which will probably end up as a freebee open edition download (for non commercial open-source work) or maybe $250/$300 for a commercial desktop development system. (I don't know any of this for fact, just reading newsgroups.)-- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:07:56 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:51:18 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other respondent on this thread (I lost the post) stated that ELX overwrote his MBR. I selected the don't do anything option (there were three choices), and ELX definitely did not write to the MBR. That was me, and I only saw 2 choices. Guess that was my own fault, probably in too much of a hurry. One may or may not like the Windows-like setup on ELX. I've never had any use for WEBMIN, so I wouldn't have noticed the difference. I like elx, but I'd prefer a bit more flexibility. I'd like to be able to edit those launchers. And have a few more window managers built in. I guess I got spoiled by libranet. However, it was too far behind the bleeding edge, and when I started updating to testing I broke a few important things. So I'm searching like most everyone else. I'd like a small company (underdog) distro, up to date without bleeding, flexible, fun, stable without being rusty. Have I now eliminated everything? ;-) It will be a few more months, probably, but gentoo will be the killer distro - my $.02. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Hidden directory contents in fstab-mounted Windows partition
I multiboot: Win98, Mandrake 8.1, Mandrake Cooker, Redmond and sometimes ELX. I recently had to reinstall Win98 because of disk corruption following a lightning strike. Since then an old problem has resurfaced: I mount my Win partitions in fstab like this: /dev/hde1 /mnt/win/c vfat \ user,exec,iocharset=iso8859-15,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 Now /mnt/win/c/Program Files and /mnt/win/c/win are empty. It happened before - long time ago and I can't remember how I fixed it. I've tried fiddling with regedit in a native Win session. The same thing happens in all the distros so I guess it must be something in the win setup. Ideas? -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. AMD Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB RAM. Registered Linux User 219434. Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Up 10 hours 37 minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Any routing gurus?
Ian wrote: [...] When I traceroute, from home and school and compare them, the last four hops are the same except for the machine directly in front my domain's machine, which is part of the same network, 1 or 2 IP's off of the hosts I can successfully route through. I'm not a guru, but I think the output of traceroute would be more useful than your description of it. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Any routing gurus?
Quoting Dave Anselmi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ian wrote: [...] When I traceroute, from home and school and compare them, the last four hops are the same except for the machine directly in front my domain's machine, which is part of the same network, 1 or 2 IP's off of the hosts I can successfully route through. I'm not a guru, but I think the output of traceroute would be more useful than your description of it. :-| Nor am I a guru, but if I am going to be trying to find out what's wrong, with my connection, which sometimes involves shutting down firewalls, and leaving one's machine naked, I didn't really want to post my IP. Hence the request/offer to handle this offlist _if_ someone was willing to help troubleshoot. -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
xfce
I have built and installed xfce and I can boot into it from the kde2 login. Looks great, except no text what so ever is inputed into any program. Any ideas. Caldera stock system ew 3.1.1 beta. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1beta Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfce
--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have built and installed xfce and I can boot into it from the kde2 login. Looks great, except no text what so ever is inputed into any program. Any ideas. Caldera stock system ew 3.1.1 beta. Can you elaborate on what you mean? Are you saying that you can't type anything in a terminal window? Did you build XFCE from the tarball or SRPM? If it was the tarball, perhaps you didn't choose the right configure options? I always go with the SRPM, that way I know i'm getting the right options. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfce
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:31:36 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have built and installed xfce and I can boot into it from the kde2 login. Looks great, except no text what so ever is inputed into any program. Any ideas. Caldera stock system ew 3.1.1 beta. Can you elaborate on what you mean? Are you saying that you can't type anything in a terminal window? Did you build XFCE from the tarball or SRPM? If it was the tarball, perhaps you didn't choose the right configure options? I always go with the SRPM, that way I know i'm getting the right options. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com Lonnie I built from tarball, yes no text in any terminal or edit field, NADA here. I will dl the srpm, but I have never done it that way. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfce
--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:31:36 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have built and installed xfce and I can boot into it from the kde2 login. Looks great, except no text what so ever is inputed into any program. Any ideas. Caldera stock system ew 3.1.1 beta. Can you elaborate on what you mean? Are you saying that you can't type anything in a terminal window? Did you build XFCE from the tarball or SRPM? If it was the tarball, perhaps you didn't choose the right configure options? I always go with the SRPM, that way I know i'm getting the right options. Lonnie I built from tarball, yes no text in any terminal or edit field, NADA here. I will dl the srpm, but I have never done it that way. Its very easy: rpm --rebuild xfce-whateversrc.rpm If all goes well, you'll have an RPM in /usr/src/OpenLinux/RPMS = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
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