Re: start bind-9.2.0 using uid named
On January 03, Chang enlightened our ignorance thusly: ok. It's Doug, Chang.. we're all friends here That's not an offcial response. I just found a reply to a similar question. will root:daemon /var/run compromise or break other packages? No. AND, how to add one group into another group via commands? I don't believe you can. anyway, I fixed it. thanks for the tips, doug... I have to disagree with ISC. pid files go in /var/run. PERIOD. even the Linux Standards Base agrees on this one. Simply add named group to the daemon group. I think this should read: Simply add the named user to the daemon group. then make /var/run root:daemon and 775. Kurt -- Accent on helpful side of your nature. Drain the moat. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Certification
On January 03, Randy enlightened our ignorance thusly: Was it ever decided if SAIR or LPI was the best Linux certification? Well, as far as I'm concerned, LPI is the far better certification for reasons discussed in that thread. LPI is far more rigorous and thorough than SAIR. Kurt -- Make a wish, it might come true. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Memory lapse
On January 02, Myles Green enlightened our ignorance thusly: On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:27:49 -0700 [deletia] As Ian pointed out, you can do this with LiLo itself or here's another one from the lilo mini-howto that will work as well (I can verify this as I've used it more than once with success): dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 The reason bs=446 is correct is that boot loaders use the first 446 bytes of the MBR. The next 64 bytes contain the partition table. The last 2 bytes store a magic number typically used to store a value that confirms that the indicated sector is a boot sector. [more deletia] K -- You will win success in whatever calling you adopt. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Internet Server Sanctions
On January 03, Declan Moriarty enlightened our ignorance thusly: I got an Irish Government Grant (payout) to get an Internet site. The site put up was ABSOLUTE junk, and the company involved http://www.getfreeinternet.co.uk will not answer the phone, answer e-mail, amend the site, or do anything they said they would. At this stage I would like my domain back, and to get rid of them altogether, while maybe making things difficult for them in passing. They, however only get paid for the site, and have ignored requests to remove it. Where do I go from here? My recommendation would be to start the process to move your domain elsewhere -- perhaps when the new domain host requests the transfer, they will have better success. If not, they may have more clout to compel the transfer. Kurt -- Your sister swims out to meet troop ships. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ssh plus PATH
On January 04, Keith Antoine enlightened our ignorance thusly: I have two small problems that I need answers to. #1. I now at last with my bandwidth supplier at last got him to put on ssh. Thats great, but what do I need to ftp using ssh, does he need to do anything else other than having sshd running ? You would use scp rather than ftp. Other than permitting you access using ssh, you should be in good shapel. #2. Can someone tell me how one adds a PATH statement. Is there something on SxS, that I missed, know its been said before but I have no hardcopy. I also remember there is a prescribed command line with PATH in caps and also export PATH somewhere. At the command line (for Bash and other Bourne shell derivatives): $ export PATH=$PATH:/some/new/path/element I also am involved with a charitable organisation that does 'aged person monitoring' on NT4 with proprietory phoneline answerring box plus a server with a database and workststions. I need to have some people who are programming literate in linux. It is envisaged that we can replace the servers, already done, and software with what is already in existance. It needs tying together. There will be monetary returns for all involved, plus the ability to market what eventually transpires. What I am after at this stage is expressions of interest only. I will then shift any other discussions to some other channel. We can discuss this off line. As you know, I make a living programming Linux... Kurt -- You will be married within a year, and divorced within two. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Internet Server Sanctions
On January 04, Keith Antoine enlightened our ignorance thusly: On Friday 04 January 2002 12:23 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed: On January 03, Declan Moriarty enlightened our ignorance thusly: I got an Irish Government Grant (payout) to get an Internet site. The site put up was ABSOLUTE junk, and the company involved http://www.getfreeinternet.co.uk will not answer the phone, answer e-mail, amend the site, or do anything they said they would. At this stage I would like my domain back, and to get rid of them altogether, while maybe making things difficult for them in passing. They, however only get paid for the site, and have ignored requests to remove it. Where do I go from here? My recommendation would be to start the process to move your domain elsewhere -- perhaps when the new domain host requests the transfer, they will have better success. If not, they may have more clout to compel the transfer. Kurt Kurt, Declan, My memory is not real good now-a-days; however I am sure that the transfer of domains has nothing to do with the ISP as much as it has on the owner of that doamin name, and the posessor of the nic handle. If you posess the nic handle and the domain all that has to be done; I am in the throws of transferring my ISP operation from one ISP and setting up another. All I have to do is go to ITMelbourne and redelugate the domain to the new site and servers. These have to be online and running at the time. So long as there are no outstanding monies the ISP has no say in the matter. Agreed. However, the issue becomes difficult when both the original ISP and the new ISP maintain DNS records for a domain. While the owner of the NIC handle certainly has the power and the right to delegate the domain to anyone she chooses, if the old ISP does not delete the DNS records for that domain, competing DNS records will exist if or until the records at the new ISP (which would be the authoritative ones) supercede the records at the old one. Kurt -- You too can wear a nose mitten. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: patches/updates
On January 03, Schmeits, Roger enlightened our ignorance thusly: How does one handle packages updates on Linux servers? I have noticed on Redhat you pay a subscribition fee whereas Caldera it is a free service. Beginning relatively green yet I find myself uncomfortable/ignorant on applying patches/updates to Linux distros. How does one handle this situation in a production environment without breaking other programs? For a single system, you can use Red Hat's service free as long as you register is using rhn_register. However, in many cases, simply monitoring the appropriate mailing lists for notifications of package updates is sufficient. In a proper production environment, moreover, you would have a test bed system that mirrors your production system. When an update or patch is released, you apply the update to the test system, satisfy yourself it doesn't break other programs (which it shouldn't), and *then* apply said update to the production box. Kurt -- You will have a long and unpleasant discussion with your supervisor. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Internet Server Sanctions
On January 03, Bruce Marshall enlightened our ignorance thusly: [clip] I don't think (or am not aware) that having two ISP's have DNS entries would really be a problem. I moved my domain from one ISP to another and the previous ISP kept the DNS entry for well over a year. It was never a problem unless I happened to be using that ISP (which was rare) and I wanted to 'talk' to my domain at the new ISP. Obviously there will be a conflict there... but since I was aware of the problem, I didn't let it be an issue. As far as the 'outside' world was ever concerned, I had moved my DNS entry the minute that the root servers had been updated to point to the new ISP. Okay. I stand corrected. K -- Try to value useful qualities in one who loves you. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: opinions on iptables scripts?
On January 03, Douglas J Hunley enlightened our ignorance thusly: Looking at Freshmeat, I see like 50 different firewall scripts (iptables based). What are you guys using? rc.firewall? shorewall? mon mothma? others? thanks! Personally, I prefer the ones used in the iptables-HOWTO and/or the ones David Bandel used in his article in Linux Journal sometime back. Kurt -- Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde
On January 01, Collins Richey enlightened our ignorance thusly: [deletia] You're preaching to the choir. Take it up with the LSB goons. It appears that they love the Rehat way of doing things, and it's doubtful that they will listen to reason. Nope. Red Hat was the source of most of LSB's foot dragging and only jumped on the band wagon in a helpful way, depsite having representatives on the LSB committees, after the other Linux distributions self-destructed. anecdote About 18 months ago, recognizing that LSB was in the typical standards committee hell and molasses, engineers from SuSE, Caldera, and TurboLinux got together and, in two days, resolved all of the outstanding issues that continue to vex LSB. I don't know if these agreements were ever implemented, but they were at least solved. /anecdote Kurt -- Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. -- Oscar Wilde ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
New Steps, 02/01/2002
Upgrade - Compiling and Installing GLib and GTK+ (Kurt Wall)br Kurt -- You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Postifx (Was: Re: Is This Thing On?)
On December 31, Keith Morse enlightened our ignorance thusly: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *still* dislike sendmail Ah, but this is what postfix is for! Agreed, but I couldn't figure out how to configure the relaying stuff so I could still get email. It built and installed without incident. It is more a difficulty understanding relaying (or anti-relaying, rather) configuration directives, which denseness on my part also afflicts me vis-a-vis sendmail. I looked at the docs, looked at examples, my eyes glazed over, so I returned to the evil I know (sendmail). Kurt -- Scrubbing floors and emptying bedpans has as much dignity as the Presidency. -- Richard Nixon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Postifx (Was: Re: Is This Thing On?)
On December 31, David A. Bandel enlightened our ignorance thusly: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:06:35 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the bitstream: [clippage] Agreed, but I couldn't figure out how to configure the relaying stuff so I could still get email. It built and installed without incident. It is more a difficulty understanding relaying (or anti-relaying, rather) configuration directives, which denseness on my part also afflicts me vis-a-vis sendmail. I looked at the docs, looked at examples, my eyes glazed over, so I returned to the evil I know (sendmail). Well, at least I'm not the only one with this problem. I have only postfix on one system, but I'm getting ready to install sendmail from source -- why? because I know how to configure it. If David can't figure it out (postfix configuration, that is), I feel much better and less the idiot. K -- Is it possible that software is not like anything else, that it is meant to be discarded: that the whole point is to always see it as a soap bubble? ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: upgrading e2fs in Workstation 3.1
On January 01, Chang enlightened our ignorance thusly: How should I start upgrading my e2fsprog to 1.25 [root@server src]# rpm -e ext2fs-1.19-4 error: removing these packages would break dependencies: ext2fs = 1.19 is needed by ext2fs-devel-1.19-4 libcom_err.so.2 is needed by dump-0.4b21-2 libcom_err.so.2 is needed by mc-4.5.51-2 libcom_err.so.2 is needed by quota-3.01-2 libext2fs.so.2 is needed by dump-0.4b21-2 libext2fs.so.2 is needed by mc-4.5.51-2 libext2fs.so.2 is needed by quota-3.01-2 libuuid.so.1 is needed by parted-1.4.10-1 pretty scarry... should I just forcibly remove the package? how should I ./configure my e2fsprog-1.25 to keep the dependencies after make install? You should be okay to use --force followed by make install, but just make sure that make install puts things where the rpm you remove puts them. K -- You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DNS server won't start in eD2.4
On December 29, Kevin O'Gorman enlightened our ignorance thusly: On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 08:23:30PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On December 29, Kevin O'Gorman enlightened our ignorance thusly: This is very odd. My 'named' server won't start from SysV. It won't start from a root shell if I try # cd /etc/rc.d/rc3.d # ./S10named start However, it will start if I do it by sourcing the file: # . ./S10named start You know, of course, that S10named is just a symlink to /etc/rc.d/init.d/named? What happens if you invoke this script directly? You can also edit it, add set -x at the top for debugging output, and then evaluate the differences between the two invocations to see what's going wrong? Kurt I did that, and it's no where near as helpful as one would hope. For one thing, the differences first show up during the sourcing of /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions, which is (1) common to pretty much all of the SysV files, and (b) not causing problems for any of the others. Nothing terribly useful in here. What's in /var/log/messages? I'm sure that somehow you've fubared the configuration. I seem to recall an issue with OL 2.4 that the SysV script did not properly handle /var/run/named.pid, which led to all sorts of interesting problems starting and stopping BIND, particularly if you mixed usage of the SysV scripts and direct invocation of the BIND. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gcc 3.0.2
On December 29, Chang enlightened our ignorance thusly: Is there really an embargo on gcc 3.0.2 (as suggested by someone in the list weeks ago)? Could I download it from Hongkong? :) No. I'm not aware of any embargo on gcc 3.0.2. In fact, gcc 3.0.3 was just released early this week or late last week. Yes, you can download it in Hong Kong. If not, let me know, and I'll provide you with a download location. Kurt -- She's genuinely bogus. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Request for Assistance - Consulting Opportunity For Pay
On December 29, Collins Richey enlightened our ignorance thusly: Others will be able to help you get back to the status quo ante. Be advised, I've never heard of any good results using the gcc 3... compiler. I'm fairly sure that the compiler is indded broken, although you may have broken something else as well. Avoid gcc 3 like the plague - you've already experienced its benefits (ie none). I've used gcc 3.0.x without incident since it was released in June. The compiler is not broken. There are some problems with certain apps and libraries, but this has been the case with gcc for quite some time -- such as older version of the kernel and glibc relying on bugs in the compiler. In fact, I've heard reports of success *and* failure building the kernel with gcc 3.0.x. Please defined what indded [sic] broken means. There are more benefits to using gcc 3.0 than you realize -- I've been living with it for several months and, aside from known misfeatures, it is a better product than the 2.95 series: new preprocessor, better optimizations, more standards compliant, and so forth. As always, YMMV. Kurt -- James Joyce -- an essentially private man who wished his total indifference to public notice to be universally recognized. -- Tom Stoppard ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Request for Assistance - Consulting Opportunity For Pay
[Posted and emailed] On December 28, George Kasica enlightened our ignorance thusly: Hello: Since I have great respect for the opinions and knowledge of the individuals on these lists, I'm humbly asking for your help. I've got the following problem: Linux 2.4.13 system GCC 2.95.3 In an attempt to upgrade the gcc to 3.0.2 and such I've somehow managed to break it badly...I'm fairly sure its not gcc that broken but rather the libc and glibc stuff thats messed up. Please be more precise in your description of the problem. For example, what are you trying to do and what is going wrong? What distribution are you using? I've attempted to restore it but obviously I'm not getting it right. The system is 100% functional if you don't mind I can't compile anything from source...LOL What did you do to restore it? What is it? The original compiler? The problem is: I NEED to be able to do this in order to keep current with various packages (bind, apache, etc.). My question: I KNOW there is a way to recover and or reinstall the stuff in /lib /usr/local/lib and also the libc and glibc stuff to get this working. However, being a production box, I can't afford to mess this up and take the box down as I have paying customers that would be quite irritated by this turn of events (VBG). Ideally in this process I can get to the current revs of GCC and glibc, etc which is what started the problem in the first place. Using an rpm-based distribution would make this easier. What I'm asking is: Is there ANYONE out there that know how to do this and would be willing to do the job FOR PAY in the very near future? REBUILDING THE BOX FROM SCRATCH IS NOT AN OPTION. Though I do do a full tape backup nightly, the time between the attempts and noticing they broke something is beyond the length of tapes I have here... Contact me off list if you like ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll be glad to help. Kurt -- For your penance, say five Hail Marys and one loud BLAH! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
glibc (Was Re: Request for Assistance...)
On December 30, Mike Andrew enlightened our ignorance thusly:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 05:12, Collins Richey wrote:
rant
It would surely be nice if the compiler and library folks could make
progress without breaking old things. I still remember (not too fondly)
all the havoc that the current glibc generated when it was new.
/rant
double rant squared
THE problem with glibc is that is not a General Library of C at all but a
truly confused mish-mash of kernel only specifics and userland generics. A
*general* C library is just that. It contains agnostic code such as printf(),
strcpy() and others, uses standard headers such as ctype.h . It does not
have stupidites in it for kernel locking semaphores, and equally ridiculous
and constantly changing header files. If anyone can ever explain to me what
the kernel only printk() statement is doing in a *general* library, I'll
learn Visual Basic as a punishment.
Umm, printk() is not defined in glibc. It is defined in
kernel/printk.c and uses only system headers
(linux/{mm,tty,tty_driver,smp_lock,console,init}.h and
asm/uaccess.h).
The idea behind a *general* library is to add functions that can *generally*
be used. Explain that sentence when kernel code for now-useless SYN packets
is a 'good idea'.
No better example of the bastardisation they've caused is the requirement to
compile using a *general c library for the 'kernel' and another *general* c
library for kde and another *general* c library for redhat. The idiocy of a
'general' set of headers in /lib versus a 'general' set of headers for
/usr/src/linux, versus an obsolete (but general) set of headers for 'legacy'
api's. (ie ones they don't want to fix anymore, thinking of something even
more brilliant)
I'm not following you here. In particular, I'm confused by 'general'
set of headers in /lib versus a 'general' set of headers for
/usr/src/linux, versus an obsolete (but general) set of headers for
'legacy' api's). In the first place, I need a concrete example to
make sense of your argument. Secondly, and in the meantime, I'm
baffled - you (rightfully) gripe about unwise linkage between the C
library, the kernel, and other APIs, yet, in the same paragraph,
complain that the interfaces and functions are defined in such a way
to minimize that linkage. You can't have it both ways, my friend.
There have been a number of discussions on l.k.m.l. about creating a
non-GNU C library... Linus has ranted more than once about the glibc
maintainers building stupid dependencies into the C library. Happily,
the kernel developers themselves have largely kicked the habit of
depending on broken glibc code, glibc misfeatures, and so forth.
Unfortunately, the kernel continues to rely on GCC-isms, a situation
Linus himself introduced and seems loathe to give up. That said,
creating a C library from scratch is non-trivial, as I'm sure you
understand.
If you accept that 90% of truly *general* c functions have worked since year
dot, that 10% of those get 'improved' and that 10% of the improved ones cause
problems, those problems are insignificant. To mix this with 'improved'
kernel functions is either an excercise in stupidty, or much more probably,
and indictment of anal retentivity. They can't let go. We pride ourselves on
slapping at Microsoft. Idiocy is often closer to $home.
This situation will never improve, nor resolve, until the control-freak
mentaility is removed from gcc / glibc. The kernel is NOT general and until
it is removed from glib we will continue to live in interesting times. No
real world busines would ever accept this degree of instability, they'd be
fired.
Agreed. I'd love a non-GNU C library with no linkage to kernel code
or these legacy APIs to which you refer (I presume you're talking
about SysV IPC, for example). However, this begins to get into the
matter of hosted versus non-hosted C implementations, which is the
stuff of madness for all but the standards committees that create
these monsters.
Kurt
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Re: Question
On December 28, Jer Scanlon enlightened our ignorance thusly: Very obviously a newby, waiting for parts to finish his new Box. Am going to start with Mandrake 8.1. Am printing-out the manuals now. I've been lurking for some time, and am learning some of the linux lingo. But, SxS.Sox vs Sonics? Be a very strange game. SxS is a shorthand for Step-by-Step. Kurt -- To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and, whatever you hit, call it the target. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: questions
On December 27, zohar enlightened our ignorance thusly: CALDERA says that it providing a solution of UNIX and LINUX integrating it. What other than networking is the same between this two OS. Runs Linux on Unixware using LKP, Linux Kernel Personality. Essentially, you can use all those great Linux apps without modification on your Unixware box. I have heard many times in last few days that normal firewall can only blocks the packets that come from Windows while they are not effective on the packets that come from other OS. Can you give me some more knowledge related to it. Which Firewall can handle this kind of situation. I don't know who told you this, but it's just plain wrong. A TCP/IP packet doesn't much care what OS is came from or what OS it is going to. OS-neutrality is the whole point of the TCP/IP protocols. On one site it was mentioned that an e-mail can be multiparty other than pure HTML or text and this are more likely to contain ActiveX and scripting like more powerful programs which are made able to run some malicious code. Please say something more about this and which mail application can better handle this. Beats me. What is UPX file compressor of Visual Basic. I have no idea. Perhaps it is yet another proprietary Microsoft method for compressing files. Kurt -- Klein bottle for rent -- inquire within. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTPalm pilots under linux (was: Re: More SxS Steps)
On December 29, Mike Andrew enlightened our ignorance thusly: On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 05:00, Susan Macchia wrote: I second the motion on that. I use Jpilot with my palm as well, but have yet to figure out how to get address labels from the address book. Santa Klaus gave me a palm for Xmas, even though I didn't ask for one in the letter I wrote him. So,, I'm hoping someone can provide a quick write up to save me the effort, as I'd like to see what it can do under Linux. jpilot is a breeze to install and use. Basically, it's download, compile, install, symlink a serial port to /dev/pilot (or so), and you're done. http://www.jpilot.org/ for jpilot. Kurt -- A new dramatist of the absurd Has a voice that will shortly be heard. I learn from my spies He's about to devise An unprintable three-letter word. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: is mozilla getting *more* buggy?
On December 25, Net Llama enlightened our ignorance thusly: [mozilla bug count growing?] % Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this trend as of late? I haven't noticed, but it's been several weeks since I used it last. Kurt -- If you live in a country run by committee, be on the committee. -- Graham Summer ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
On December 24, Bill Campbell enlightened our ignorance thusly: % On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 10:14:08AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % ... % My sole gripe with the x53 is that the downloadable driver for it % from Lexmark requires GTK and GDK libraries: % % It went in with few problems on a Caldera eDesktop 2.4 system. I % did have to make a symlink for the Mosaic libXm, and run ``checkpc\ -f'' % to get the permissions correct for it to print. And I *should* have said that this is only a problem on systems without GTK and GDK installed. That said, I compiled and installed GTK and GDK without incident. Kurt -- The price of seeking to force our beliefs on others is that someday they might force their beliefs on us. -- Mario Cuomo ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: tcl/tk problem: deleting menu items
On December 25, Net Llama enlightened our ignorance thusly: % I'm working on a Tcl/Tk app, and i'm having problems wraping my head % around the concept of deleting menu items. My understanding is that the % top most item is index=0 and then it counts downward. So, that leads me % to the following: % * If .buttons.get.mnu is the path name % * I want to keep the first item from the top, index=0 % * I want to delete all the other items (which are dynmaically generated, % and are never the same number of items) % * The following command should work: % .buttons.get.mnu delete 1 end % % However, it doesn't work right. It deletes all the menu items, % including the first. I'm stumped. What happens if you do delete 2 end? Kurt -- Lewis's Law of Travel: The first piece of luggage out of the chute doesn't belong to anyone, ever. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Tim Wunder wrote: [clip] % Erm, pardon my ignorance, but what's strip executables mean? Remove unneeded symbols from binaries. man strip should help. Kurt -- Hatred, n.: A sentiment appropriate to the occasion of another's superiority. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One?
Douglas J. Hunley wrote: % % Forwarded from a newsgroup, but I'd like to know what you all think.. I've % copied the author. Please continue to copy on replies... % % ,--- Forwarded message (begin) [snippage] % RH basically sets itself up, which is good. But having described what % I want to do I'd like to solicit feedback on which variety of Linux I % should try, and maybe specific projects that I could work on to get % a good, well-rounded view of Linux. I could use either an old laptop, % or P-133 in the corner from work. Thanks in advance for any ideas. My 2 shekels, worth whatcha paid for it... You might consider learning the standard sorts of admin tasks you have to perform on any OS, in no particular order: 1) Adding, deleting, modifying users 2) Adding, deleting, modifying disks and filesystems 3) Backing up and restoring files and filesystems using tar, cpio, and the dump/restore tool 4) Setting up a dial-up server 5) Setting up a mail server (Sendmail, Postfix, or Qmail) 6) Setting up a Web server (Apache), including setting up virtual hosts 7) Network configuration needs (configuring DNS, setting up DHCP, adding clients) 8) Firewall configuration using IPTables 9) Access restrictions using TCP Wrappers (/etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny) 10) Adding, removing, upgrading software using RPM and from source 11) Set up an FTP server that supports anonymous downloads, guest users, real users, and that allows blind uploads 12) Set up a Samba file server for Windows users 13) Set up a database server (using MySQL, PostgreSQL, Oracle) 14) Set up an IRC or other chat server This is hardly a comprehensive list, but it should give you projects to take on for the next couple of months if you are new to Linux. Kurt -- His super power is to turn into a scotch terrier. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another rpm ooops
Tony Alfrey wrote: % On Thursday 20 December 2001 01:32 am,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % snip % % Refresh my memory, what was the problem you were trying to solve? If % memory serves, you were trying to install an RPM that uses a newer % version of RPM than that supported by the version of RPM you have % installed. % % Kurt % % Thanks for all of the useful tips on ld.so.conf. % (how do you know so much about this stuff??) I make my living knowing this stuff. % Yes, that's what I was trying to do. Then . . . . % 1. I tried to install rpm 3.0.6 and it complained about a failed % dependency for libdb.so.2 that I clearly had (a link from libdb.so.2 to % libdb1.2.1.2.so). % 2. I did rebuilddb. This does not do what you think it does. It removes holes from the Berkeley DB database files and rebuilds the indices. More specifically, it rebuilds the databases indices using the header information from installed packages. It does *not* restore missing information beyond what is stored in the RPM databases. % 3. I did a query on rpm and it did not know the package from which % libdb.so.2 came. Depending on how the rpm is packaged, a post-install script might create the link from libdb1.2.1.2.so to libdb.so.2, so rpm might not know whence libdb.so.2. % 4. Tim looked in his box and found that libdb.so.2 came from % db-2.7.7-12.rpm Ah. This is db version 2, db1 is db version 1. Or, I'm smokin' dope because I no longer use or have installed OpenLinux. % 5. I got out a eW3.0 disk I have and loaded db-2.7.7-8.rpm and rpm % 3.0.6-1. Bingo! Correct, because now you've installed db version 2. % 6. Meanwhile, Skippy provided an interesting tip on adding the path to % the library to /etc/ld.so.conf ( I did not yet try this but it looks % cool). But may not solve the problem -- see my remarks after item 4. % 7. Also, during the thread, I had yet another rpm with exactly the % same problem and I used --force --nodeps with no problem. Kurt -- If I had a plantation in Georgia and a home in Hell, I'd sell the plantation and go home. -- Eugene P. Gallagher ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another RPM ooops
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 08:21:09AM -0800 Tony Alfrey wrote: % On Thursday 20 December 2001 07:54 am,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % Tony Alfrey wrote: % snip % % (how do you know so much about this stuff??) % % I make my living knowing this stuff. % % But I suppose this is inherently UNIX knowledge, not Linux specific? Yes and no. Dynamic linking is OS-neutral. I happen to know how it happens on *NIXen pretty well. % I do not really know what it does, I just did it because I've seen it % recommended many times in the context of making rpms install cleanly, % and no one ever seemed to indicate that it did any damage. It doesn't hurt, but unless you get a free page corrupt message from rpm or have upgraded a lot of RPMs, you get little or on benefit from it. % I will need to one day learn about these details; i.e. indicies. RPM uses Berkeley DB format databases, which in turn use indices (indexes or, more colloquially, indexen ;-) ) to perform high-speed data operations. Most databases use indices for this purpose. Unless you're a real gear head and want to know about btrees, hash tables, hash functions, and the link, you don't need to know the guts of how RPM does its job. I dare say you don't want to know. I'm must perverse and read the source code. Of course, I wrote about using Berkeley DB, too, but that's beside the point. % . . . . Or, I'm smokin' dope % because I no longer use or have installed OpenLinux. % % Really What are you running?? A heavily modified Slackware box, RH 7.2 on a crash test dummy, and an a post-natal LFS partition. There's a BSD box in there somewhere, too, just for yucks. % Thanks for your time explaining these things! Ayup. Kurt -- Mistakes are often the stepping stones to utter failure. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another rpm ooops
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 08:21:09AM -0800 Tony Alfrey wrote: % On Thursday 20 December 2001 07:54 am,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % Tony Alfrey wrote: % snip % % (how do you know so much about this stuff??) % % I make my living knowing this stuff. % % But I suppose this is inherently UNIX knowledge, not Linux specific? Yes and no. Dynamic linking is OS-neutral. I happen to know how it happens on *NIXen pretty well. % I do not really know what it does, I just did it because I've seen it % recommended many times in the context of making rpms install cleanly, % and no one ever seemed to indicate that it did any damage. It doesn't hurt, but unless you get a free page corrupt message from rpm or have upgraded a lot of RPMs, you get little or on benefit from it. % I will need to one day learn about these details; i.e. indicies. RPM uses Berkeley DB format databases, which in turn use indices (indexes or, more colloquially, indexen ;-) ) to perform high-speed data operations. Most databases use indices for this purpose. Unless you're a real gear head and want to know about btrees, hash tables, hash functions, and the link, you don't need to know the guts of how RPM does its job. I dare say you don't want to know. I'm must perverse and read the source code. Of course, I wrote about using Berkeley DB, too, but that's beside the point. % . . . . Or, I'm smokin' dope % because I no longer use or have installed OpenLinux. % % Really What are you running?? A heavily modified Slackware box, RH 7.2 on a crash test dummy, and an a post-natal LFS partition. There's a BSD box in there somewhere, too, just for yucks. % Thanks for your time explaining these things! Ayup. Kurt -- Mistakes are often the stepping stones to utter failure. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: test
David Aikema wrote: % Please ignore. Yah, right. Kurt -- Veni, Vidi, Visa. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 10:16:41AM -0800 Net Llama wrote: % --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % Remove unneeded symbols from binaries. man strip should help. % % Hopefully, Kurt won't mind if i expand a wee bit on this. Heavens no I don't mind. % Quite often, programmers compile binaries with debugging symbols left % in, so that if the binary doesn't behave the way its supposed to, they % can run a debugger against the binary to see what its doing when. % Basically, they can run the binary in slow motion, and stop it at any % time, feed it data, and generally get a much better idea of what its % doing (wrong, in most cases). % A side effect of leaving the debugging symbols in the code is that the % binary is larger in size, and will run slower. So, a lot of times, the To wit, the standard Hello, World! program compiled with debugging symbols (gcc -g hello.c): $ ls -l a.out -rwxr-xr-x1 kwallusers 24234 Dec 20 15:03 a.out* The standard Hello, World! program compiled without debugging symbols (gcc hello.c): $ ls -l a.out -rwxr-xr-x1 kwallusers 13250 Dec 20 15:03 a.out* After stripping the binary: $ strip a.out $ ls -l a.out -rwxr-xr-x1 kwallusers2984 Dec 20 15:15 a.out* Quite the difference in size. % debugging code is removed for the final version. A few examples of this % in action are the precompiled binaries of Mozilla, which still have the % debugging code left in them, and i think the 'beta' versions of KDE. % Unfortunately, KDE is still gawd awful slow even without the debugging % code in it. Sad, but true. Kurt -- What good is having someone who can walk on water if you don't follow in his footsteps? ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any DNS gurus?
Douglas J Hunley wrote: % I need help debugging a CNAME and other data error.. takers? No guru, but I'll take a stab at it. K -- The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Net Llama wrote: % I just noticed this project on Freshmeat called make uninstall. It % does exactly as its name describes, allows you to cleanly uninstall % packages that have been installed via the make install command. % % I haven't yet tried it out, but here's where you can get it: % http://freshmeat.net/releases/65197/ Hmm. Haven't used it myself, but I do know that many packages include an uninstall target (make uninstall) in their makefiles. Kurt -- Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT cool site
Andy Mathews wrote: % Ronnie Gauthier wrote: % % telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl [snip, trim, clip] % Ronnie, % Seems this has been around for a while. Check: % http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ (Another guy here directed me to this) % % Andrew Mathews Andrew, Excellent. Thanks for the link! Kurt -- He flung himself on his horse and rode madly off in all directions ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Douglas J Hunley wrote: % Tim Wunder babbled on about: % Is it anything like Checkinstall? I was reading a little about that today. % It's supposed to allow you to use rpm to keep track of things you install % via tarball. Anyone on list use it? % % I use checkinstall all the time! wouldn't admin a box without it. % HOWEVER, make sure you edit it's checkinstallrc to NOT strip executables. it % will mess up certain things otherwise.. It certainly ruins debugging, but a lot of corporate IT shops strip executables as a matter of policy (such as making reverse engineering more difficult). K -- Any clod can have the facts, but having an opinion is an art. -- Charles McCabe ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTHapppy B-day Doug
Tina M. Hunley wrote: % Congrats.. Happy Birthday, Doug, and many more to come! Kurt -- If bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four tellers? ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Is this a Caldera list?
Keith Antoine wrote: % On Tuesday 18 December 2001 12:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] enunciated: [...] % Slackware here. % % Yeah, noticed that from the way your jocks hang ..snigger. Skippy 1, Kurt 0. Kurt -- Just because your doctor has a name for your condition doesn't mean he knows what it is. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Is this a Caldera list?
Anita Lewis wrote: % On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:26:31 + (UTC), Anita Lewis wrote: % Sorry. Possibly a dumb question, but I saw a lot of Caldera stuff here and % just wondered if this list is distro specific. % % Wow, that sure generated a lot of replies! LOL. Thanks for the answer to % the question and the humor. Lots of that humor to be had here... % I put Slack 3.3 on the laptop, just because it seemed like the easiest one % to do a floppy install with on only 4Mb. That's been fun. So far I have % the base system and a couple of programs from the AP section. Tonight I'll % add stuff from N. There will obviously be no X on this machine. After that % I'll be learning the slackware package manager which is none as I % understand it. I would welcome input from our resident Slackware user/s on % how to put mutt on there. It's not included in the N set of programs. Do I % need to install any development programs in order to install mutt if I don't % find it among the things with slack-3.3? Slackware 3.3 is pretty old. The package management tools are installpkg and removepkg, which are in the hdsetup package, at least with current Slackware versions. Likewise, Slackware 8.0 puts mutt in the mutt package. See the man pages for installpkg and removepkg, but to install, for example, mutt, you become root and then do something like: # /sbin/isntallpkg /path/to/mutt-package Other Slackware package management tools include pkgtool, upgradepkg, makepkg, explodepkg, and setup, which is the system setup and maintenance utility and gives you an option to perform package maintenance. Yes, if mutt is not available for Slackware 3.3, you will need to install pieces from the development series in order to compile mutt from source. Kurt -- The Kennedy Constant: Don't get mad -- get even. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTHapppy B-day Doug
Richard R. Sivernell wrote: % Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, % we are all in our places sing ing Happy birthday to you. % % Happy birthday to you Doug. % % Oh by the way in an earlier life time I was a rock star in compitition % with the beattles. We almost did it too. Did you like my singing g My speakers are smoking and just quit working... Kurt -- Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. -- Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Newbies Prayers Answered!!!! (LONG)
Tony Alfrey wrote: % % Who can argue with this? I'll put it on my wife's machine and see if % she notices the difference between win 98 ;-) % She and her machine are the ideal crash-test platforms. So, are you going to tell your wife you just called her a crash test dummy? ;-) Kurt -- Gnagloot, n.: A person who leaves all his ski passes on his jacket just to impress people. -- Rich Hall, Sniglets ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTHapppy B-day Doug
Tony Alfrey wrote: % % Didn't we decide a very long while back (on the caldera list) that % David Bandel was the old fogey? I don't remember that conversation... Kurt -- There are three things I always forget. Names, faces -- the third I can't remember. -- Italo Svevo ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTHapppy B-day Doug
Michael Scottaline wrote: % On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:39:21 -0500 % [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % I don't remember that conversation... % % Guess you're too old... ducks and runs % Mike Pot? Kettle? Black? Kurt -- You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
Mike Andrew wrote: % Perhaps I should qualify my request: I'm looking for currently available % Linux-compatible color injet printers. % % As you would know, it's not so much the 'best' (tm) printer available in % Linux but more, the best driver available. For whatever reason, the Epson % (Stylus) series of printers has the better drivers: meaning simply that more % devel work has gone into the ghostscript upp files than most others. I opted for a Lexmark color injet (the z53). I have never been satisfied with my Stylus Color 600's rendering of reds, which was one of the reasons I chose the Lexmark. When I'm a bit more flush, I will also buy one of the Lexmark laser printers (the PostScript variety) because most of my printing is text and I need speed and PostScript compatibility. Lexmark also supports Linux with drivers (yes, I know the inkjet drivers are binary only -- BFD); combine support with price and features, and Lexmark won hands down over Epson. Kurt -- Who cares if it doesn't do anything? It was made with our new Triple-Iso-Bifurcated-Krypton-Gate-MOS process ... ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Various Updates to linux.nf - 17/12/2001
* Main Page -- added a reference to the linux.nf news server (Kurt) * New Mirror -- Illinois (Bill Day) * Primary Site -- Maintainer is Doug, not Mike (Kurt) Kurt -- A tautology is a thing which is tautological. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TID Re: ssh public key
Joel Hammer wrote: % I have found that if you want to get respect in the house despite your % computer habit, wash the dishes. That quiets all grumbling from the girls. As does cleaning the toilets... % On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 07:43:03AM -0600, Richard R. Sivernell wrote: % LIST % % From my family to all on the list, Happy Holidays % and be safe. May all of you do better than I, I am told I % get a lump of coal. I spend too much time at my computers, g. Kurt -- Put your Nose to the Grindstone! -- Amalgamated Plastic Surgeons and Toolmakers, Ltd. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OTRe: ssh public key
Richard R. Sivernell wrote: % LIST % %From my family to all on the list, Happy Holidays % and be safe. May all of you do better than I, I am told I % get a lump of coal. I spend too much time at my computers, g. Same to you, Rick. I must add that my brother and sister-in-law gave me a lump of coal three years ago for Christmas. They seemed to feel it was appropriate, as they live in West Virginia and, evidently, they felt I had been naughty. Said lump of coal is now sealed in acrylic, mounted on a plaque, and adorns a wall near my Christmas tree at Christmas time. ;-) Kurt -- If dolphins are so smart, why did Flipper work for television? ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
Bill Campbell wrote: % On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 08:22:56AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % ... % I opted for a Lexmark color injet (the z53). I have never been [why I chose Lexmark] % I'm glad to hear that because I've been looking at color printers for % quite a while, primarily to use from the gimp. I really want to use the % Lexmark because we've had excellent results with their laser printers, % and their support has been good as well. I've been quite pleased with the z53's performance and output. I'm especially happy with how quiet it is -- quite the contrast to older inkjets, particularly my old Epson. My sole gripe with the x53 is that the downloadable driver for it from Lexmark requires GTK and GDK libraries: $ ldd libvdk.so.1.2.5 libvdk.so.1.2.5: libgtk-1.2.so.0 = not found libgdk-1.2.so.0 = not found libgmodule-1.2.so.0 = not found libglib-1.2.so.0 = not found And so for libvdkcompo.so.1.2.5 and libvdkgnome.so.1.2.5. Beyond this, I've no complaints that can't be attributed to PEBCAK. Blessed be, Kurt -- A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hd question.
Lee wrote: % After running a Win95/col2.2 dual boot for 2.5 years the col2 suddenly % shutdown down one night in the middle of an internet session. I mean the % screen just went dark. The bootup was .located in the hda mbr. On % reboot, boot magic failed with the error message that the linux % partition couldn't be found. Took the opportunity to upgrade to e2.4. % After two weeks it failed to bootup. Error message said something was % cycling too fast and it would have to shut down for five minutes. % Never booted up. Upgraded to w3.1. Lasted about three days before did % the same thing. Boot and rescue disks failed to boot system. Shifted to % Mandrake 7.0. After a month failed to boot. Error message said reading 1 % bit in swap sync. Moved to Mandrake 8.0, 8.1 same results. The system is % a Mainboard running a 200mmx Pentium with 64Meg memory and a Quantum 4 % gig big foot hd. Only thing I can think of for this is that the hd may % be going bad and files are getting corrupted in bad sectors. Any % opinions? My take is the HD is toast; failing that, the MB is toast. Kurt -- Slang is language that takes off its coat, spits on its hands, and goes to work. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hd question.
Lee wrote: [...] % It's an old hd 4gig have been running it for 2.5 yrs and bought it used. % So ready to replace it anyway. The thging that galls me though is that % the WIN 95 side of the dual boot has been running without problems. Linux pushes hardware much harder than Windows. Kurt -- Today is the first day of the rest of the mess ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TID Re: ssh public key
Keith Antoine wrote: % On Tuesday 18 December 2001 01:53, Net Llama enunciated: % What if I have a dish washer? % % Sheesh, mate I married one; however itys is getting a bit old and I cannot % seem to get a trade-in. Apparently, your spouse doesn't follow this list... ;-) Kurt -- Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T after you. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Is this a Caldera list?
Anita Lewis wrote: % Sorry. Possibly a dumb question, but I saw a lot of Caldera stuff here and % just wondered if this list is distro specific. The list and site are distro neutral. See http://linux.nf/ for more information. In particular, This group, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and its companion news group, news.linux.nf, provides a distro neutral forum open to Linux users of all experience and skill set levels. Kurt -- If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Is this a Caldera list?
Michael Scottaline wrote: % On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:26:31 + (UTC) % Anita Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % Sorry. Possibly a dumb question, but I saw a lot of Caldera stuff here % and just wondered if this list is distro specific. % % Thanks. Anita % % Nah..., not distro specific; but there are many here who started on the % Caldera List, and many still use Caldera. You'll find gentoo, mandrake, % SuSE, and RH users here also (sorry if I left any out). All linux users % are welcome. Mike Slackware here. Kurt -- Electrocution, n.: Burning at the stake with all the modern improvements. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT pics from my trip
Net Llama wrote: % Not sure if anyone is interested, but here are the pics from my trip % last week: % http://sxs.sf.net/pix/ % % Day 1 were taken at Lava Beds National Monument in northern California % Day 2 were taken at Silver Falls State Park in central Oregon % Day 3 were taken at Redwood National Park in coastal northern California Love those pics from Silver Falls. Gorgeous. Kurt -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ... If all the salmon caught in Canada in one year were laid end to end across the Sahara Desert, the smell would be absolutely awful. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: test
Lee wrote: % [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % Lee wrote: % % ignore % % Make me. :) % % Kurt % % Por que? Just making a little humor. Kurt -- That secret you've been guarding, isn't. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kpackage and rpm
Tony Alfrey wrote: % Hi gang! % % I need (please! ;-) the definitive solution for the kpackage/rpm % problem. % Here's my problem. % For my past several builds of kde (now at kde 2.2.2), kdeadmin barfs % when the build gets to kpackage, some conflict with the right version % of rpm I suppose. I blow through it with make -i and then when I'm all % done, I just pull in the binary for kpackage from kde 2.0 that came % with my distro (Caldera LTP) and everything is fine. But I'm a little % tired of this and would like a 'correct' solution. % So what is the solution for removing/backing up the old rpm and getting % the correct rpm in so that kpackage will build?? % rpm --version gives % RPM version 3.0.3.0L What's the text of the error message (a few lines of context will help)? K -- I'm not under the alkafluence of inkahol that some thinkle peep I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ping - ignore
Myles Green wrote: % On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:36:42 -0500 % [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % I hate sendmail. % % me too ;) To be more precise, I hate sendmail.cf. Kurt -- Westheimer's Discovery: A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mystery with mke2fs -j
Net Llama wrote: % --- Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mondo snippage] % Yes, I know, but here no fdisk or change to partition tables, just % creting an empty fs - one works, one doesn't. % % Hrmmm...what's the '-j' switch? I can't find any reference to it in the % man page. -j creates a EXT3 journal file on the FS, thus creating an EXT3 FS. Kurt -- The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: argh...no init found
Net Llama wrote: % support. It boots runs that 2.4.5-xfs kernel perfectly. Its got a RH % OS load with bits pieces of 6.2 7.x on it. % Here's when things get annoying. When I try to boot off of a 2.4.14-xfs % kernel on box #2, it always hangs just after detecting all the drives % (basically where it goes to start mounting stuff) with the error, no % init found. First I thought that i forgot to include console support % in the kernel, but i didn't. So, i figured, i'll just use the same % .config from box #1, and i should be golden. No dice. The kernel % builds without a hitch, and when i go to boot, i get the same ugly % error. % So, i'm at my whit's end. Anyone have any ideas? Look at the root= line in /etc/lilo.conf. Kurt -- rm -rf /bin/laden ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
Collins Richey wrote: [3.5 k deletia] % ayup. I've used cups exactly that way, but I removed some M$sh%t % options a year ago when I had a major snafu on the fscking WinME box, % and I haven't had the urge to mess with it again! init_curmudgeon_mode() Dude! *Please* trim your posts. I almost missed the three lines of new text added at the bottom of this one... :-) end_curmudgeon_mode() Kurt -- rm -rf /bin/laden ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Can't remember which list...
Bill Day wrote: % Someone mentioned a SCSI CD-RW for $18 Smart and Frinedly 2006.. % % Well, it arrived today.. complete, minus cable % % Someone was going to ship me a cd drive caddy not necessary.. % % see what happens when you get old CRS syndrome. Kurt -- rm -rf /bin/laden ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Printer Recommendations
Anyone care to recommend their favorite Linux-compatible color inkjet printer? I'm in the market for a new one. I don't *have* to own a color printer, but it would be nice. If a good yet inexpensive laser printer can be had for under $300, that would be nice, too. Thanks, Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
John Hiemenz wrote: % On Monday 26 November 2001 03:38 pm, you stated : % Anyone care to recommend their favorite Linux-compatible color % inkjet printer? I'm in the market for a new one. I don't *have* % to own a color printer, but it would be nice. If a good yet % inexpensive laser printer can be had for under $300, that would % be nice, too. % % I'm using an HP DeskJet 890C at home. Doubt you'll find that in the stores % anymore, but perhaps ebay or similar webshop site. Thanks, John. Perhaps I should qualify my request: I'm looking for currently available Linux-compatible color injet printers. Thanks again, Kurt -- rm -rf /bin/laden ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Test 3
On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 08:32:42PM -0800, Keith Morse wrote: It was my understanding that the list standard required, nay, demanded a humourous anecdote for such dalliances. Gasp! Horror! I have been remiss. Keith is correct. With the completion of my latest book project, I was able to replace Red Hat 7.2 with Slackware. Easily accomplished, except that Slackware's default Sendmail configuration is rather stringent: list email was bouncing with relaying denied messages and I needed to use Cw kurtwerks.com in sendmail.cf to let Sendmail know that the box receives mail for kurtwerks.com. I'd really like to get rid of the utterly lax mail relaying from the configuration file, but I've been stymied about how to do it without creating an ongoing maintenance nightmare for myself. Sorry, a little light on the humor. I suppose there is nothing funny about Sendmail configuration. It occurs to me that someone had to think up this mess -- SICK AND WRONG! Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Get console number..
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:47:01AM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: I found this one on the inet. Compile it via the included script and when you execute getvc... it'll return the number of the virtual console you're currently in. Sounds much like 'tty'. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More SxS steps
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:01:12AM -0800, Net Llama wrote: GLIBC updated (Dave Bandell) One l in Bandel, I bellieve. ;-) Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm back
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:14:20AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:54:30 -0600 Ron White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had a total hip replacement, but am back at the computer now and it sure feels good. What, the computer or the hip? Welcome back. Indeed. Nothing like surgery to make one appreciate mailing lists and the other finer things of life, such as coffee and tobacco. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Find command and file system types
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 02:50:09PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: Sheez. After about an hour or more, I found the right command to use. I don't know how to interpret the chicken stratching in updatedb, though. This command seems to work fine: find /mnt/NetWork -fstype smbfs -prune -o -print This skips the samba mounted shares. Joel If you want updatedb to skip /mnt/NetWork, invoke it as follows: # updatedb --prunepaths='/mnt/NetWork' ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recompiles on Suse 7.3
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 04:10:10PM -0800, Net Llama wrote: The problem with 15, to the best of my understanding is that it forgets to write all changes to disk when you shutdown the system. Thus, you end up with massive amounts of fs corruption, especially on boxes that have had long uptimes. It has nothing to do with the fs being used. Eew. Nasty bug, that. I take it sync;sync;sync;shutdown -r whatever wasn't sufficient? Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Quake...
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:36:45PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: I'm a bit sheepish to admit this... but I've just rediscovered QUAKE. It Your secret's safe with me. Not. ;-) K ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
