Re: [SLE] A gentle request
This is exactly how I have the Suse e-mail list set up but when I click reply this will go to the person asking the question, rather than the list. Hence the other solutions. 1) press l (that is the lowercase letter L) 2) right click the address and select -- send to Marianne Taylor On Saturday 29 September 2001 17:55, you wrote: Are we speaking of kmail here and how to set things up to respond to the list? I think I missed the first msg of the thread and in the archives I am having problems tracking down the appropriate initial message So I'm just taking a guess as to the initial question and could be totally off the map here. Currently with KMail 1.3.1 and also earlier versions I had, using a folder per mailing list just select folder properties, check off folder contains a mailing list' and input the post address. Then replies will always go to the list by default. (And you can easily post by right clicking the mailing list folder) David Aikema On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:56, Bruce Marshall wrote: But two good solutions for kmail came out of this: 1) If you right click on the name of the list in the email (in Kmail) it will give you a choice of what you want to do and who you want to do it to. :o) so you can choose to reply to the list. 2) Use a procmail recipe of: :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi Reply-To: SLE [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever list you might want to diddle with. Works like a charm. These are useful and useable answers. The bottom line for me however was that some majority of the users of those lists will not do so, or at least simply reply to the person, not the list. Extrapolating that means I wouldn't get to see 'answers' to some potentially interesting questions and hence reading the material is too frustrating. Probably no greater example of what I mean is, the bulk of the SxS comes from material culled from replies to this and other mailers. I agree 100% and it is a total pain. I don't know how many times I would post a response and then realize I only sent it to the individual. I then would have to retrieve the original, copy my response into another reply and then send it to the list. A total pain. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
Are we speaking of kmail here and how to set things up to respond to the list? I think I missed the first msg of the thread and in the archives I am having problems tracking down the appropriate initial message So I'm just taking a guess as to the initial question and could be totally off the map here. Currently with KMail 1.3.1 and also earlier versions I had, using a folder per mailing list just select folder properties, check off folder contains a mailing list' and input the post address. Then replies will always go to the list by default. (And you can easily post by right clicking the mailing list folder) David Aikema On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:56, Bruce Marshall wrote: But two good solutions for kmail came out of this: 1) If you right click on the name of the list in the email (in Kmail) it will give you a choice of what you want to do and who you want to do it to. :o) so you can choose to reply to the list. 2) Use a procmail recipe of: :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi Reply-To: SLE [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever list you might want to diddle with. Works like a charm. These are useful and useable answers. The bottom line for me however was that some majority of the users of those lists will not do so, or at least simply reply to the person, not the list. Extrapolating that means I wouldn't get to see 'answers' to some potentially interesting questions and hence reading the material is too frustrating. Probably no greater example of what I mean is, the bulk of the SxS comes from material culled from replies to this and other mailers. I agree 100% and it is a total pain. I don't know how many times I would post a response and then realize I only sent it to the individual. I then would have to retrieve the original, copy my response into another reply and then send it to the list. A total pain. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:56, Bruce Marshall wrote: But two good solutions for kmail came out of this: 1) If you right click on the name of the list in the email (in Kmail) it will give you a choice of what you want to do and who you want to do it to. :o) so you can choose to reply to the list. 2) Use a procmail recipe of: :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi Reply-To: SLE [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever list you might want to diddle with. Works like a charm. These are useful and useable answers. The bottom line for me however was that some majority of the users of those lists will not do so, or at least simply reply to the person, not the list. Extrapolating that means I wouldn't get to see 'answers' to some potentially interesting questions and hence reading the material is too frustrating. Probably no greater example of what I mean is, the bulk of the SxS comes from material culled from replies to this and other mailers. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Saturday 22 September 2001 14:57, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 21:34, Bruce Marshall babbled: Nope... that's not the problem. It is the way that SuSE has the list set up. I'm using Kmail with several lists and SuSE is the only one with the problem. Here's a statement from one of the S.O.B's over there that likes it that way: agreed. except that I'm on a couple of other lists the same damn way. Mailman actualy defaults to Reply to Sender' instead of 'Reply to list' and they *highly recommend* (their emphasis) that it stay that way. This whole area is raises remarkable flames. For reasons that bored me senseless, it is 'politcally correcter' to reply to the person posting to a list rather than replying to the list. I could throw up a quoted RFC for you, but won't. I gave up trying to figure out how this twisted logic is so obvious to everyone but me, after a few miserable attempts at pleading for common sense on those lists that do this, I did the obvious and unsubscribed. Apparently the correct answer is you are supposed to hit the reply all button to lists that are 'politically correct'. However, since I consider private mail (of that sort) an intrusion on my privacy, I wasn't about to inflict reply all on anyone else. Sbort answer? Kmail is not to blame, it is doing what the header tells it to. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 0:07 am, Mike Andrew wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2001 14:57, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 21:34, Bruce Marshall babbled: Nope... that's not the problem. It is the way that SuSE has the list set up. I'm using Kmail with several lists and SuSE is the only one with the problem. Here's a statement from one of the S.O.B's over there that likes it that way: agreed. except that I'm on a couple of other lists the same damn way. Mailman actualy defaults to Reply to Sender' instead of 'Reply to list' and they *highly recommend* (their emphasis) that it stay that way. This whole area is raises remarkable flames. For reasons that bored me senseless, it is 'politcally correcter' to reply to the person posting to a list rather than replying to the list. I could throw up a quoted RFC for you, but won't. I gave up trying to figure out how this twisted logic is so obvious to everyone but me, after a few miserable attempts at pleading for common sense on those lists that do this, I did the obvious and unsubscribed. Yep, has to do with 'munging of the headers' or some rot like that which I don't think applies since essentially the mail is being received and re-sent. Apparently the correct answer is you are supposed to hit the reply all button to lists that are 'politically correct'. However, since I consider private mail (of that sort) an intrusion on my privacy, I wasn't about to inflict reply all on anyone else. Sbort answer? Kmail is not to blame, it is doing what the header tells it to. But two good solutions for kmail came out of this: 1) If you right click on the name of the list in the email (in Kmail) it will give you a choice of what you want to do and who you want to do it to. :o) so you can choose to reply to the list. 2) Use a procmail recipe of: :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi Reply-To: SLE [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever list you might want to diddle with. Works like a charm. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/25/01 00:23 + ++ Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical -- Yogi Berra ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
Mike Andrew wrote: % % This whole area is raises remarkable flames. For reasons that bored me % senseless, it is 'politcally correcter' to reply to the person posting to a % list rather than replying to the list. I could throw up a quoted RFC for you, % but won't. I gave up trying to figure out how this twisted logic is so % obvious to everyone but me, after a few miserable attempts at pleading for % common sense on those lists that do this, I did the obvious and unsubscribed. Someone pee in your Fosters today? ;-) % Apparently the correct answer is you are supposed to hit the reply all button % to lists that are 'politically correct'. However, since I consider private % mail (of that sort) an intrusion on my privacy, I wasn't about to inflict % reply all on anyone else. Sbort answer? Kmail is not to blame, it is doing % what the header tells it to. Note to self: never send Mikey private email. ;-) K -- Coward, n.: One who in a perilous emergency thinks with his legs. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:29:11 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 19:51 pm, Glenn Williams wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 15:24, you wrote: [snip] To whom that applies When replying to a mail please _DO_NOT CC to the person. As this person is on the list also you are just increasing bandwith usage for both sides. Since the only way you can send an email to any SuSE mailling Lists is only if the person is subscribed what is the benefit of CC'ing to the others who tried to provide an answer unless the original email sender has requested to be CC'ed. Here's the problem (mail-client-specific - in my case, Kmail): Like many of you, I subscribe to 2 Linux mail lists; the SuSE list and the generic list Doug hosts. If I want to reply to something on the linux-users list, I click the 'reply' icon. If I do the same thing on the SuSE list, the reply goes to the *author* and not the list, so then I must open the address book, find the address for the SuSE list, click on it, and then delete the author's address. Big deal! you say. But it is a royal PIA from where I sit. If I remember, (*if*) I can click the 'reply ALL' icon and then remember to delete the extra address. It would be great if they both worked the same way - but they don't. My 2 kopecks... Regards (so why did you send this to the linux.nf list??) But I agree with you 100%. Every other list I have *ever* joined works by just hitting 'reply', but some of the S.O.B.'s on the SuSE list think that their way is the 'pure' way. And I think I'm going to drop that list just because of it. More because of the attitude than having to spend the time to make sure the mail goes to the right place. (but of couse, they don't care) Even with these recalcitrant beasts. sylpheed is a big help. Just click on reply, then blank out the to: address, key xx tab enter (assuming you have @yyy with nickname xx in you address book), and you're off and flying. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Saturday 22 September 2001 0:00 am, Collins Richey wrote: Even with these recalcitrant beasts. sylpheed is a big help. Just click on reply, then blank out the to: address, key xx tab enter (assuming you have @yyy with nickname xx in you address book), and you're off and flying. Pretty much the same with Kmail. There are a lot of other reasons I don't like sylpheed and I've tried it a few times. No more. And they have their share of opinionated SOB's too.(or maybe there's a pattern here... :o) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/22/01 00:20 + ++ It IS as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Friday 21 September 2001 15:24, you wrote: [snip] To whom that applies When replying to a mail please _DO_NOT CC to the person. As this person is on the list also you are just increasing bandwith usage for both sides. Since the only way you can send an email to any SuSE mailling Lists is only if the person is subscribed what is the benefit of CC'ing to the others who tried to provide an answer unless the original email sender has requested to be CC'ed. Here's the problem (mail-client-specific - in my case, Kmail): Like many of you, I subscribe to 2 Linux mail lists; the SuSE list and the generic list Doug hosts. If I want to reply to something on the linux-users list, I click the 'reply' icon. If I do the same thing on the SuSE list, the reply goes to the *author* and not the list, so then I must open the address book, find the address for the SuSE list, click on it, and then delete the author's address. Big deal! you say. But it is a royal PIA from where I sit. If I remember, (*if*) I can click the 'reply ALL' icon and then remember to delete the extra address. It would be great if they both worked the same way - but they don't. My 2 kopecks... Regards -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #135678 Powered by SuSE 7.2 Linux Professional ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:51:23 -0600 Glenn Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 15:24, you wrote: [snip] To whom that applies When replying to a mail please _DO_NOT CC to the person. As this person is on the list also you are just increasing bandwith usage for both sides. Since the only way you can send an email to any SuSE mailling Lists is only if the person is subscribed what is the benefit of CC'ing to the others who tried to provide an answer unless the original email sender has requested to be CC'ed. Here's the problem (mail-client-specific - in my case, Kmail): Like many of you, I subscribe to 2 Linux mail lists; the SuSE list and the generic list Doug hosts. If I want to reply to something on the linux-users list, I click the 'reply' icon. If I do the same thing on the SuSE list, the reply goes to the *author* and not the list, so then I must open the address book, find the address for the SuSE list, click on it, and then delete the author's address. Big deal! you say. But it is a royal PIA from where I sit. If I remember, (*if*) I can click the 'reply ALL' icon and then remember to delete the extra address. It would be great if they both worked the same way - but they don't. My 2 kopecks... Reason #??? for using sylpheed. The reply button works as you would expect. My experiences with Kmail have typically been Excedrin Headache #???. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Friday 21 September 2001 21:03 pm, Collins Richey wrote: While we're on real PITA's, what is the groups consensus about KDE's 'feechur' that anything selected with the cursor will be copied to the Klipboard? Is there a way to fix that? It works much differently than almost any other GUI interface I have ever used and I find myself swearing at it even though I'm trying to live with it. I've posted a gentle complaint to KDE.org a couple of times but have never gotten a reply, much less a good reason for it. Yet I've never heard a complaint from anyone else about it. Am I the only one that this bothers? ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/21/01 21:34 + ++ I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President. -Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
List A minth or so back I got a reply from one of the developers there and was informed that the way they have is the proper way to do such and Unix has always done it that way. In KDE 3 they may fix it so that you can choose the way it works. Not much of an answer, the way of copy to clip Board a mouse double click is wrong. If you have something already on cb double click mouse you stuff is now gone. Starting to really dislike kde, just way to bloated and I do not like the way code is done, it makes it too easy to miss something. Really finding out their make files are really made for qt kde, they cripple some parts of make. Too many programs do not operate the way I think they should, maybe bugs or unwanted features. I do not know. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:37:23 -0400 Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 21:03 pm, Collins Richey wrote: While we're on real PITA's, what is the groups consensus about KDE's 'feechur' that anything selected with the cursor will be copied to the Klipboard? Is there a way to fix that? It works much differently than almost any other GUI interface I have ever used and I find myself swearing at it even though I'm trying to live with it. I've posted a gentle complaint to KDE.org a couple of times but have never gotten a reply, much less a good reason for it. Yet I've never heard a complaint from anyone else about it. Am I the only one that this bothers? I thought that was standard X-windows behavior, unless I'm missing something. I complain bitterly that I have to hit ctl-C to copy and ctl-V to paste in Windoze. What I would like is for KDE to use the same double/triple click behavior as Motif. Double-click sets the quantum for selection to word, triple-click sets it to line. If I double-click, I can select 1st word with MB1, then single click last word to select with MB3, paste with MB2. But KDE doesn't want to do that. Where it does, the definition of word gets changed too. Slash is no longer a word boundary. I now use rxvt instead of kterm, so I can get near-normal behavior. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
Previously, Bruce Marshall chose to write: On Friday 21 September 2001 21:03 pm, Collins Richey wrote: While we're on real PITA's, what is the groups consensus about KDE's 'feechur' that anything selected with the cursor will be copied to the Klipboard? Is there a way to fix that? Not that I know of. I recall reading a thread about that on the kde newsgroup (or was it the mailing list...). It was deemed a feature. It works much differently than almost any other GUI interface I have ever used and I find myself swearing at it even though I'm trying to live with it. I've posted a gentle complaint to KDE.org a couple of times but have never gotten a reply, much less a good reason for it. Yet I've never heard a complaint from anyone else about it. Am I the only one that this bothers? It bothers me a little. But I'm getting used to it. I have a terminal emulator app at work that automaticall copies selected text to the clipboard (Windows), and it comes in handy there. Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] A gentle request
On Friday 21 September 2001 19:51 pm, Glenn Williams wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 15:24, you wrote: [snip] To whom that applies When replying to a mail please _DO_NOT CC to the person. As this person is on the list also you are just increasing bandwith usage for both sides. Since the only way you can send an email to any SuSE mailling Lists is only if the person is subscribed what is the benefit of CC'ing to the others who tried to provide an answer unless the original email sender has requested to be CC'ed. Here's the problem (mail-client-specific - in my case, Kmail): Like many of you, I subscribe to 2 Linux mail lists; the SuSE list and the generic list Doug hosts. If I want to reply to something on the linux-users list, I click the 'reply' icon. If I do the same thing on the SuSE list, the reply goes to the *author* and not the list, so then I must open the address book, find the address for the SuSE list, click on it, and then delete the author's address. Big deal! you say. But it is a royal PIA from where I sit. If I remember, (*if*) I can click the 'reply ALL' icon and then remember to delete the extra address. It would be great if they both worked the same way - but they don't. My 2 kopecks... Regards (so why did you send this to the linux.nf list??) But I agree with you 100%. Every other list I have *ever* joined works by just hitting 'reply', but some of the S.O.B.'s on the SuSE list think that their way is the 'pure' way. And I think I'm going to drop that list just because of it. More because of the attitude than having to spend the time to make sure the mail goes to the right place. (but of couse, they don't care) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/21/01 21:27 + ++ Ninety-eight percent of the adults in this country are decent, hard-working, honest Americans. It's the other lousy two percent that get all the publicity. But then, we elected them. --Lily Tomlin ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
