Re: Xenix. Sun Rem 2 meg card.
Hi Phil, I know that the Simms are very hard to pull out of their sockets- the really stick into their sockets. I used a plastic pull-out tool to prevent any damage. A pull-out tool should be available in a local electronics store. A pull out tools was necessary for pulling SIMM's in many Macintosh or Amiga accelerators. Helmut on 08.01.2006 1:29 Uhr, Philip Lord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the info...I'll try cleaning the contacts and see if that helps. Any idea how tho remove the sims from the card...I cant seem to pop then out? Phil On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Dr. Helmut Post wrote: -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa doesn't power on - power lights up for 1sec, speaker clicks, then off.
Hi Ray, So my questions are: 1. Is there a known symptom/fix for the power button lighting up for half a second this way? Is it an I/O board, motherboard, or CPU board issue? Anyone else had a CPU board that got slightly warped and wouldn't fit? Any way to relax them enough to fit without damaging them? Have you checked the PSU? Have you cleaned all golden contacts on the PCB's? 2. Is there a way to use a Lisa 2/10 I/O board and rewrire it directly to the floppy drive without going through the motherboard, or rewrire the existing connector from to the floppy. (I believe the end that goes into the LisaLite card has more pins than the cable that goes from the LisaLite to the floppy, so perhaps Apple just left some unused pins, and hopefully all the ones that go to the floppy are there.) I have successfully used a Lisa XL I/O board in my Lisa 2/5. Please note that you must use the LisaLite adapter even with the XL I/O board in a Lisa 2/5. Please use the 2/10 Floppy controller ROM in the XL I/O board. 3. Would placing such a board inside a Lisa 2 with a LisaLite floppy card damage either the I/O board itself, the motherboard, or the LisaLite card? There won't be any damage...as I described above. 4. What's involved in repairing an I/O board with a battery leak? I can certainly rewire/resolder the missing traces - at least the ones that are still visible. (I know one of the two dead I/O boards that I tested has a broken VIA chip since the plastic on the chip shows it melted. :-) so I can possibly use parts from this one to repair the other.) Any tips, tricks, or things to watch out for? That can take a long time- and it depends how much corrosion has destroyed your IO board. I have built one working original 2/5 IO board from 2 non operational boards. A PCB electrical circuit plan would be fine to find the problems... Greetings, Helmut -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Keyboard Repair - Here comes how to...
on 06.11.2005 13:56 Uhr, Philip Lord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a spare keyboard I'd like to get going. There are maybe 10 dead keys, and a few really sticky ones. what causes them to stick? P On Nov 6, 2005, at 7:36 PM, macmoni wrote: Hi Phil, the Lisa keyboard is totally different from other Mac keyboards- the Mac uses switches (Alps inc.) which can produce corrosion over the years, but not the Lisa keyboard: The Lisa uses a 3mm-4 mm thick foam material ( as found in many candy packages/boxes or tool boxes etc...) This foam material is glued to a small round plastic disc on one side to snap inside the key itself. On the other side there is a special metallic looking foil (like christmas paper)- this foil is not electrical conductive! Don't use any aluminium foil- this could ruin your Lisa keyboard. Recycle your foil pieces and reuse them again. As a replacement for the glue don't use fluid glue- this may ruin your keyboard- just use a sticky glue ( Pattex etc...) The foam material deteriorates over the years and forms a kind of sticky mess... this produces the sticky effects on several of your keys. The keyboard uses a capacitive concept- a switch is built from an aluminium pad on the PCB and the non-conductive metallic looking foil. If you press the key, the foil presses against the pad (under the pressure of the foam material) and forms a capacitor- this capacity change is translated into an electrical impuls. if you use fluids or pressured air, you can easily ruin your keyboard. You have to open it very carefully and reconstruct all key switches with new foam material. Don't forget to clean the pads on the PCB from sticky glue and foam smudge. The whole work took me a full afternoon- but if you completed your task you have a brand new fully operational keyboard. Measurements with an Ohm meter is not possible- you can only measure a capacity change with a capacity measurement tool- but that is not necessary. I have successfully refurbished 3 keyboards- they are fully operational now, and will be for the next decade... there was no need to solder anything... only cutting foam disks- you can use Guido Deiana- he has successfully completed the same task as I did. Helmut P.S.: Don't use any cleaning fluid! This ruins all! -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: error 85
Hello Phil, error 85 means: you have reached the hard disk time-out limit... the hard disk hasn't answered within a given time- probably the system track, boot secor is bad . You need a fresh low level format.- or a new drive if the number of bad blocks exceeds 30 counts. I have just finished telling the list that I got my SUN REM drive working again, and that I thought the cause was overheating (Installed a fan). However I still get constant error 85 messages. If I reinstall 7/7 everything seems fine, for a short while, then error 85 starts happening again. Probably a thermal error with one of the chips ... probably the SMS OMTI 20813B (MFM controller). Do you have a freezing spray to cool down the chips to locate the error on the controller? I have the same problems- no way to get these chips today- only if you rip the chips from an Amiga 1000 sidecar (PC-XT hardware expansion box) or form an old Atari ST MFM hard disk controller. The SUN REM drive uses a Kalok KL320 (20mb) MFM drive. I guess these are getting very old now. Maybe I need to look for another 20mb MFM drive to replace the Kalok with. Will any MFM 20mb drive work? For example Kyocera KC020, Miniscribe m8425 or Western General WD362. Yes, you can use all these disks- provided that your controller is ok. I'm testing these MFM hard disks on my old 80486 IBM AT with an Adaptec ACB 2310 MFM controller card. But: You have to know how to perform a low level format on the SUN controller first! Or even better, does an adaptor exist for MFM to IDE? I couldn't find one by doing an internet search. No, there is no such adapter- as far as I know. Choose the IDEFile instead- it's offering full future Widget compatibility as is fully Profile compatible (5 MB and 10MB). However, for the life of the machine, I still believe the IDEfile is the best option for the future. I should start thinking seriously about this option, otherwise 7/7 will be lost to my machine for ever. Yes, I'll recommend you this controller- it's really great! Helmut Thanks -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: error 85
These may be parity errors- produced by a faulty SUN 20 hard disk Your thermal problem?? Helmut - Original Message - From: Philip Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: error 85 ...one more quick observation. On the occasional time that the Lisa boots into 7/7, often the computer has 'Technical difficulties displaying x Paper. It doesn't matter what what application, they all seem to have this problem 30% of the time. Cheers P On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Philip Lord wrote: e...ok! it sounds like performing a low level format needs some special equipment that I'm not likely to have. If it can't be done on a Mac (now or old) or a Lisa, then I'm kinda screwed. One other thing I have noticed is an error 10100 next to what I guess is the lisa equivalent of 'Sad-Mac'. Is this related to the drive? I can not find any reference to this code. So, I will try to pursue the IDEfile direction. I have no knowledge of electronics, however I feel confident with the soldering challenge at least. Helmut, it sounds like you have built one before. I may have some questions for you in the near future ;-) I won't give up on the Sun REMarketing drive yet. Maybe I'll email SUN REM direct. If I don't have the tools, maybe they can still reformat my drive for me. Thanks for your reply P On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Dr. Helmut Post wrote: Hello Phil, error 85 means: you have reached the hard disk time-out limit... the hard disk hasn't answered within a given time- probably the system track, boot secor is bad . You need a fresh low level format.- or a new drive if the number of bad blocks exceeds 30 counts. I have just finished telling the list that I got my SUN REM drive working again, and that I thought the cause was overheating (Installed a fan). However I still get constant error 85 messages. If I reinstall 7/7 everything seems fine, for a short while, then error 85 starts happening again. Probably a thermal error with one of the chips ... probably the SMS OMTI 20813B (MFM controller). Do you have a freezing spray to cool down the chips to locate the error on the controller? I have the same problems- no way to get these chips today- only if you rip the chips from an Amiga 1000 sidecar (PC-XT hardware expansion box) or form an old Atari ST MFM hard disk controller. The SUN REM drive uses a Kalok KL320 (20mb) MFM drive. I guess these are getting very old now. Maybe I need to look for another 20mb MFM drive to replace the Kalok with. Will any MFM 20mb drive work? For example Kyocera KC020, Miniscribe m8425 or Western General WD362. Yes, you can use all these disks- provided that your controller is ok. I'm testing these MFM hard disks on my old 80486 IBM AT with an Adaptec ACB 2310 MFM controller card. But: You have to know how to perform a low level format on the SUN controller first! Or even better, does an adaptor exist for MFM to IDE? I couldn't find one by doing an internet search. No, there is no such adapter- as far as I know. Choose the IDEFile instead- it's offering full future Widget compatibility as is fully Profile compatible (5 MB and 10MB). However, for the life of the machine, I still believe the IDEfile is the best option for the future. I should start thinking seriously about this option, otherwise 7/7 will be lost to my machine for ever. Yes, I'll recommend you this controller- it's really great! Helmut Thanks -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist% 40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http
Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning
Hi Phil, you don't have to replace all caps- only the electrolytic caps and the transparent , sometimes white or yellowish power surge protector (interference suppression) caps - I had several explosions and ugly smell with these power surge protector caps. If the Lisa had been stored in a humid place over the years, those plastic material is deteriorating- small cracks will appear- the humidity can penetrate into the cap- if you start your Lisa after this time, the humidity inside the cap produces a shortcut - and the cap explodes and burns this fire is not dangerous- the PSU is shutting down the power, but the Lisa has a bad smell for a long time- it smells as if you would try to burn a hole newspaper magazine inside your Lisa- very ugly! I was very frightened the first time I encountered this accident. I had the same experiences with the PSU's of my Profile hard disks. More than 50% of my electrolytic caps had values at least 40-50% lower than indicated (dried out caps) Others had doubled their capacity- reason: humidity as well. Dried out caps can easily damage the Multilayer PCB!! (reason: aggressive electrolytic fluid)- the removal is as much necessary as the removal of the NiCAD batteries in the Lisa 2/5 I/O board! The capacity of the interference suppression caps had been doubled or even tripled! over the years!! Sometimes I am very surprised that the circuits are still working . You can buy all these caps at Digi Key. Here is a link for the power surge (interference suppression caps): http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T053/1080-1081.pdf I used and recommend the MKP 338 X1 series (440 Volts AC), but you can even use the MKP 338 X2 series- they have the same ratings as the original caps with values from1 nF to 3.3uF. You can easily find all other electrolytic caps at Digi Key. I'm only using 105 degrees Celsius caps- don't use the 85 degrees Celsius caps- they dry out to frequently. Helmut -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning
Phil, I forgot to mention the following book: Macintosh Repair Upgrade Secrets by Larry Pina Hayden books ISBN 0-672-48452-8 former price (in 1991): $32.95 There is a big Lisa section inside this book- the removal procedure of electrolytic caps is very good illustrated with many pictures. Helmut -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning
Hi Phil, do you have a circuit plan of the PSU? The 1.2 amp PSU circuit plan is available on the Internet- but the stronger 1.8 amp PSU plan is only available from John Woodall or James MacPhail- he has produced these plans. You should find the plans on Ebay or : www.vintagemicros.com (John's homepage) I can tell you which caps have to be (or should be) removed. It's easy for the 1.2 amp PSU- just tell me if you have the plan. Helmut - Original Message - From: Philip Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning Much thanks, I'll see if I can't track this book down. I just opened up an old broken 1.2amp supply to have a good look inside. Not really sure what is what however. If I can't find the book, would anyone know where the caps that need to be replaced are located? (C-?) P On Nov 3, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Dr. Helmut Post wrote: Phil, I forgot to mention the following book: Macintosh Repair Upgrade Secrets by Larry Pina Hayden books ISBN 0-672-48452-8 former price (in 1991): $32.95 There is a big Lisa section inside this book- the removal procedure of electrolytic caps is very good illustrated with many pictures. Helmut -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning
Hi, I have replaced all old electrolytic caps and the power surge caps in my Lisa- no more problems- and the Voltages are more stable than ever before. I have even exchanged all electrolytic caps in the video circuit- the picture is now much better- the slight jitter is gone. I'd recommend everyone to exchange all electrolytic caps inside the PSU and the Video circuit- it makes a big difference and protects the Lisa for the future. - Original Message - From: Chris Riedl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Taking apart Lisa - cleaning Well, that was certainly an interesting escapade. Apparently a power supply cap blew up sometime in the past, and there was crusted electrolyte all over the one side. Some cleaning of the chassis and case later, I have got the Lisa booting up. However, it just appears as if the Widget is not present to the system, as it only shows the floppy for startup. The Widget spins up and sounds normal, but I guess it isn't being seen by the hardware. Any suggestions or things to try to pinpoint this further? I'd recommend to turn the voice coil actuator manually during the spin-up, self test procedure of the Widget. Sometimes it helps Helmut -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 7/7 install failed on SUN REM drive
Hello Joe, I think you can obtain a copy from James Mac Phail or John Woodall http://sigmasevensystems.com/index.html http://vintagemicros.com/ Helmut - Original Message - From: Joe Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: Re: 7/7 install failed on SUN REM drive Hello. Iam still having the same problem with my profiles. Does anyone know where I may get a copy of MMII+ ? thanks. Any ideas what the problem could be? As I mentioned when formatted for MWII+ the drive seems works flawlessly. Cheers Phil -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Widget can't keep up !
Hi Mike! Error 85 usually means that the Widget doesn't come to a ready state within a given timeout value. Probably the boot block and/or the spare block can't be read. That means: The Widget needs a Low Level Format. The Floppy doesn't need any additional power cable- the flat cable includes the necessary power leads. I hope this helps you a little bit further. - Original Message - From: mike sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Widget can't keep up ! Hello there, I have a Macintosh XL ( I think !) that I am trying to restore, the internal 10MB Widget drive comes up with Error 85 during power up. Searching around a bit a found the error codes list in the Sun Rem document, this claims that error 85 mean the 'drive cannot keep up'. No further details are given and no suggestion for a fix. Does this mean it is spinning too slowly ? Also on an unrelated note, I notice that the floppy drive has a data connection going into it, but no power lead. Is this ok, is the data lead actually data and power combined or do you think I am missing a bit ? Many thanks for any advice you can offer -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: I/O board compatibility?
Hi, I have a Lisa 2/5 and a 2/10 (XL). I have successfully installed an XL I/O board in my Lisa 2/5 ( with the old battery backed-up I/O board). there are no big differences between the I/O boards- however, I have used a different 800KB ROM for the XL I/O board. The XL I/O card fits in a 2/5, but the old I/O card won't work in a Lisa 2/10 (XL). The Lisa 2/10 runs Lisa OS and MacWorks, the Mac XL doesn't, because there is a screen kit installed ( to change the rectangular pixels into square pixels, as used on the Macintosh). The screen kit includes a new Video state Prom which makes it impossible to run Lisa OS (invalid Lisa serial number for Lisa OS) - you have to uninstall the screen kit, the Video state Prom and the Monitor EPROM's as well. Then you have changed your XL into a downgraded Lisa 2/10. The card cage of the Lisa 2/5 doesn't fit into a Lisa 2/10 (or XL) because the form factor is slightly different- slightly modified main connectors for the widget. I hope these informations are useful... BTW: You can install a battery backup in a XL I/O board- the modifications are very easy to handle. But I wouldn't recommend it, because the batteries will do the same bad corrosion as found in many 2/5 I/O board. Helmut on 25.08.2005 17:51 Uhr, Philip Lord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read in the Sun Remarketing 'do it yourself guide' that Lisa I/O cards will not work in a XL. My question is, what is it about an XL that makes it an XL, and what is it about a Lisa that makes it a lisa? is it the Motherboard? For example: if I had a lisa 2 upgraded to a XL (new roms for 800k floppy, and widget drive) that has a dead original lisa 2 motherboard (parallel port version), and I'm replacing the dead motherboard and card cage with a motherboard and card cage from an XL (no Parallel port version), will the original lisa I/O card still work or do I have to change that too? Thanks in advance. Phil -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Dead I/O Board?
Hi Clinton, Error 52 means: Problems with a defective COPS chip on the I/O board. After the total cleaning of all I/O board connectors you should check your COPS chip. I hope these informations help you a little bit further. Helmut Post on 09.06.2005 1:25 Uhr, Clinton Yelvington at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I seemed to have fixed my 2/10's jittery video problem, but now I have a new issue: When I hooked the KB and mouse back up, and plugged it in, it immediately powered up (without me hitting the switch) and displayed an I/O board error 52. I read that re-seating the I/O board could help but I tried that and no luck. when I hit the interrupt switch the Keyboard and Mouse aren't recognized. Please help if you can, Clinton Yelvington -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Clock battery and floppy lubrication
Hi, I think you have a problem with your COPS412 chip: The COPS421 handles the RTC (Real Time Clock) which has a span of 15 years. Consequently this was set for 1980 to 1995, which means that it'll be really interesting to set dates such as 1998. Talk about Y2K premonition! I wonder what Apple was thinking... But it's really interesting, that the clock is working until the year 2005 with OS 7.1.1, and even until 2040 if you are running Mac OS 7.5.5 with MacWorks II+ ( still available through John Woodall on Ebay (vintagemicros.com)). I had the same problem as you do. As I exchanged my COPS 421, the problem was gone. Helmut Post - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Re: Clock battery and floppy lubrication The clock has never worked. I know about the time issue. Not even setting it to times the Lisa clock can recognize worked, even after I got it. I get an error message that the time is not set (or something similar) every time I turn the computer on. I assume the batteries were dead or the clock doesn't work. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I purchased my Lisa II from Sun many years ago, it has a dead clock battery, or a broken clock. All I know is that the clock has never worked. And it never will. These don't have a Y2K problem, they have a 1995 problem. So don't worry about the date. Do, however, worry about the batteries leaking. If you really want to replace them they are a 4 pack of NiCAD's - don't use anything else or you'll damage your I/O board. Instead of replacing them, I would highly recommend just removing them. You can either cut them off at the tabs (careful not to damage the board) or desolder them. (- also be careful). The Lisa will run fine with no batteries at all and you remove the risk of a leak damaging your I./O and motherboard. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
