Re: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
Mark: I know everone is getting hot under the collor in anticipation of the PCCF Shaw tango. You'll have to wait boys and girls. I wonder where the people on this list studied law. There is never a need to rush. Only lemings rush, and they end up flying off cliffs. We have the advantage of time. Mr. Shaw is in default and we can now act on it when ready. Regards Joe On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Mark Jeftovic wrote: > > On 10-Sep-99 J. Baptista wrote: > > Again I assure you Mr. Shaw is not a priority. We have appropriately > > censored him and will proceed to the next step just as soon as we can > > move Mr. Shaw up on our priority ladder. Maybe something next week. > > > > If you aren't going to make a "federal case" out of it until sometime next > weekish, then maybe you should give Mr. Shaw the same timeframe to pony > up an apology. > > If your acts aren't going to sync up with your threats, people are apt to > not take you very seriously. You want an apology by close of business > friday or legal action ensues? Your lawyers should be filing the papers > first thing monday morning. > > "Do this NOW OR ELSE...we'll do something back...sometime...when we get > around to it..." > > Doesn't exactly light a fire under anybody's ass to make things right. > > -mark > > What's this have to do with domain-policy again? > > --- > mark jeftovic(MJ177) http://SlingShot.to/StuntPope/ > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > -- > dns hosting / domain registrations / web forwarding / mail forwarding / etc > -- > >
Re: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
On 10-Sep-99 J. Baptista wrote: > Again I assure you Mr. Shaw is not a priority. We have appropriately > censored him and will proceed to the next step just as soon as we can > move Mr. Shaw up on our priority ladder. Maybe something next week. > If you aren't going to make a "federal case" out of it until sometime next weekish, then maybe you should give Mr. Shaw the same timeframe to pony up an apology. If your acts aren't going to sync up with your threats, people are apt to not take you very seriously. You want an apology by close of business friday or legal action ensues? Your lawyers should be filing the papers first thing monday morning. "Do this NOW OR ELSE...we'll do something back...sometime...when we get around to it..." Doesn't exactly light a fire under anybody's ass to make things right. -mark What's this have to do with domain-policy again? --- mark jeftovic(MJ177) http://SlingShot.to/StuntPope/ easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ -- dns hosting / domain registrations / web forwarding / mail forwarding / etc --
Re: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Dr. Brian C. Hollingsworth wrote: > So, basically what you are saying is that you "talk the talk", but you don't "walk >the walk". > > Put up or shut up. No Brian. What it means is what it says. We at PCCF are busy little beavers, and unfortunately there is no beaver available just this minute to serve Mr. Shaw. But I assure you Brian once a beaver becomes available one will be appointed to Mr. Shaw's file. Again I assure you Mr. Shaw is not a priority. We have appropriately censored him and will proceed to the next step just as soon as we can move Mr. Shaw up on our priority ladder. Maybe something next week. Regards Joe > > >> I am asking this because, according to housewives gossip ;>), Mr. > >> Shaw has failed to comply with your request for apologies. So, the > >> world is watching you and holding its breath to see if action > >> follows the words. > > > You are correct, he has not complied. > > > > Understand, we don't consider Mr. Shaw a priority matter. We will > > provide notice in the fullness of time. > > >> (on second thoughts, maybe my first reading was correct, and your > >> letter to Bob *was* a joke?!?) > > > No. > > > I hope that addresses your concerns. > > > > > > -- > Brian C. Hollingsworth > Senior Legal Analyst > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > This E-mail was sent from http://www.law.com >
Re: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
Roberto and all, I don't see where Joe owes Bob Shaw an apology. Rather the reverse would be more appropriate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Joe Baptista wrote: > > > > Roberto I posted the communication to Mr. Shaw not with the > > intention of > > encouraging discussion, but to provide notice. > > > > I have no interest in participating in this discussion. I > > suggest those > > who enjoy the gossip of common housewives proceed to do so in private. > > > > Sorry to have hit a nerve, it was not my intention. > Frankly, I thought your letter to Mr. Shaw was a joke, but since you seem to > take it seriously, may I ask you to provide notice of your further > "appropriate actions", as promised in your message: > > > You have 24 hours to comply. If you should fail to comply we > > will take > > appropriate action. We also reserve the right to legal action in the > > event you default on our demand. > > > > I am asking this because, according to housewives gossip ;>), Mr. Shaw has > failed to comply with your request for apologies. So, the world is watching > you and holding its breath to see if action follows the words. > > Regards > Roberto > > (on second thoughts, maybe my first reading was correct, and your letter to > Bob *was* a joke?!?) Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
RE: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry to have hit a nerve, it was not my intention. You didn't. I just hate to repeat myself. I think I made that clear. > Frankly, I thought your letter to Mr. Shaw was a joke, but since you seem to > take it seriously, may I ask you to provide notice of your further > "appropriate actions", as promised in your message: > > > You have 24 hours to comply. If you should fail to comply we > > I am asking this because, according to housewives gossip ;>), Mr. Shaw has > failed to comply with your request for apologies. So, the world is watching > you and holding its breath to see if action follows the words. You are correct, he has not complied. Understand, we don't consider Mr. Shaw a priority matter. We will provide notice in the fullness of time. > (on second thoughts, maybe my first reading was correct, and your letter to > Bob *was* a joke?!?) No. I hope that addresses your concerns. Cheers Joe Baptista -- Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033
RE: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
Joe Baptista wrote: > > Roberto I posted the communication to Mr. Shaw not with the > intention of > encouraging discussion, but to provide notice. > > I have no interest in participating in this discussion. I > suggest those > who enjoy the gossip of common housewives proceed to do so in private. > Sorry to have hit a nerve, it was not my intention. Frankly, I thought your letter to Mr. Shaw was a joke, but since you seem to take it seriously, may I ask you to provide notice of your further "appropriate actions", as promised in your message: > You have 24 hours to comply. If you should fail to comply we > will take > appropriate action. We also reserve the right to legal action in the > event you default on our demand. > I am asking this because, according to housewives gossip ;>), Mr. Shaw has failed to comply with your request for apologies. So, the world is watching you and holding its breath to see if action follows the words. Regards Roberto (on second thoughts, maybe my first reading was correct, and your letter to Bob *was* a joke?!?)
RE: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Due to my incomplete knowledge of the English language, I can't tell if it > is libel and slander, but one thing I can say. > I know Mr. Shaw personally, and I can't believe that he could think that you > and/or your company could be instrumental in the destabilization of ICANN. Roberto I posted the communication to Mr. Shaw not with the intention of encouraging discussion, but to provide notice. I have no interest in participating in this discussion. I suggest those who enjoy the gossip of common housewives proceed to do so in private. Cheers Joe Baptista -- Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033
Re: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
Roberto and all, ICANN is and has been unstable almost from the start. Lets look at the facts shall we. 1.) The ICANN is financially unstable fiscally irresponsible. This is well known public knowledge presently. 2.) It has made policy decisions that it KNOWS do not have any measure of consensus. 3.) ICANN can't even adequately maintain it's own mailing lists or conduct remote participation at it last three conferences. 4.) ICANN's CEO Mike Roberts, company EDUCOM is attempting to take over the .EDU TLD which will further destabilize the DNS. 5.) It "APPOINTED" without so much as any public input, the GAC. 6.) The ICANN has violated it's own bylaws on at least three separate occasions that are well documented. Now I could go on. But do I really need to? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Joe Baptista wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Shaw: > > > > I am writing in reference to allegations and claims made by > > you in your > > capacity as a representative of GAC, ICANN and the ITU. Your > > email to a > > number of newsgroups (including the comp.dcom.telecom > > conference) claimed > > our employees; officers or directors are involved in a conspiracy with > > Network Solution to destabilize ICANN. This is libel and slander. > > > > Due to my incomplete knowledge of the English language, I can't tell if it > is libel and slander, but one thing I can say. > I know Mr. Shaw personally, and I can't believe that he could think that you > and/or your company could be instrumental in the destabilization of ICANN. > > Regards > Roberto Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
RE: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
Joe Baptista wrote: > Dear Mr. Shaw: > > I am writing in reference to allegations and claims made by > you in your > capacity as a representative of GAC, ICANN and the ITU. Your > email to a > number of newsgroups (including the comp.dcom.telecom > conference) claimed > our employees; officers or directors are involved in a conspiracy with > Network Solution to destabilize ICANN. This is libel and slander. > Due to my incomplete knowledge of the English language, I can't tell if it is libel and slander, but one thing I can say. I know Mr. Shaw personally, and I can't believe that he could think that you and/or your company could be instrumental in the destabilization of ICANN. Regards Roberto
Re: [IFWP] your allegations of a PCCF NSI conspiracy
Joe and all, Good for you Joe. Robert Shaw has a nasty habit of this sort of behavior that goes back several years (See gTLD-Discuss Archives). As such it is amazing to me that the ICANN "APPOINTED" him and his ilk to the GAC. J. Baptista wrote: > Wednesday, September 08, 1999 > > Mr. Robert Shaw, Representative Government Advisory Committee > The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers > ITU Internet Strategy and Policy Advisor > International Telecommunication Union > Place des Nations, 1211 Geneva, Switzerland via email > > Dear Mr. Shaw: > > I am writing in reference to allegations and claims made by you in your > capacity as a representative of GAC, ICANN and the ITU. Your email to a > number of newsgroups (including the comp.dcom.telecom conference) claimed > our employees; officers or directors are involved in a conspiracy with > Network Solution to destabilize ICANN. This is libel and slander. > > I will not address nor justify the claims made by you except to say that > they are false. I demand you apologize in writing and fax the same > document to my attention at +1 (419) 821-8581. > > You have 24 hours to comply. If you should fail to comply we will take > appropriate action. We also reserve the right to legal action in the > event you default on our demand. > > In closing I would like to point out that as a government representative > of ICANN and the ITU it would be prudent that you conduct yourself in a > manner fitting your position. > > Regards > Joe Baptista, Director > > -- > Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
